Ezyp:


I and the Father are one...anything I do comes from the father does it approve Trinity
Read all chapters in your bible bro

OLAADEGBU:


I assume you have read it, what does it say?

Ezyp:


Am not your pastor....learn to read yourself

OLAADEGBU:
"The Father is greater than I" Does this disprove the Trinity?

Jesus once said that the Father was greater than He was. How could Jesus be fully God, but yet "lesser" than the Father?

What Jesus means here is that in His humanity and incarnate state, He is subordinate to the Father in terms of His role and rank. See the link below for details.

http://reasonsforjesus.com/the-father-is-greater-than-i-does-this-disprove-trinity/

OLAADEGBU:


Then if you've got nothing to contribute kindly stay aside and allow those who know to teach.

OLAADEGBU:
"The Father is greater than I" Does this disprove the Trinity?

Jesus once said that the Father was greater than He was. How could Jesus be fully God, but yet "lesser" than the Father?

What Jesus means here is that in His humanity and incarnate state, He is subordinate to the Father in terms of His role and rank. See the link below for details.

http://reasonsforjesus.com/the-father-is-greater-than-i-does-this-disprove-trinity/

malvisguy212:
in nature, is the president greater than me ? NO. But as the president of Nigeria he is greater than me.

solite3:
Jesus took the lesser position of a servant in other to work the work of salvation.


Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

@ bolded
Since Jesus has to take the form of a servant, it means he is not a servant.

Those who say Jesus is less than God cant explain this verse

Jesus made himself less than God because he really is not less than God.

You cant make something into what it already is.

Janosky:



(1) **1) Rev 3:5,21 did Jesus in heaven say he is less than his God and Father?

(2)Who is the God of Jesus in heaven?

***2). John 12:49
(3)I have not spoken on My own, but the Father
who sent Me has commanded Me what to
say and how to say it?

(4)*** Solite3, John12:49, who gave Jesus the command to take the form of a servant ?
Where was the command given to Jesus?


(5)***3) Phil2:7,11, for whose glory did Jesus take the form of a servant?

(6)Solite3 for how long will you continue to deceive yourself ?

Janosky:



**1) Rev 3:5,21 did Jesus in heaven say he is less than his God and Father?
Who is the God of Jesus in heaven?

***2). John 12:49
I have not spoken on My own, but the Father
who sent Me has commanded Me what to
say and how to say it.

*** Solite3, John12:49, who gave Jesus the command to take the form of a servant ?
Where was the command given to Jesus?

***3) Phil2:7,11, for whose glory did Jesus take the form of a servant?

Solite3 for how long will you continue to deceive yourself ?

malvisguy212:
in nature, is the president greater than me ? NO. But as the president of Nigeria he is greater than me.

solite3:
Jesus didnt say the father is greater than him in Rev 3:5,21.


of course as a servant he has to obey.

He was not commanded to take the form of a servant rather he did it on its own.

Philippians 2:7
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:





the right question would have been, if Jesus was a servant why will he need to take the form of a servant.
All angels are servants.


Psalms 104:4
Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:

But Jesus is not a servant hence not an angel.

A question you should ask yourself again is
who exactly is Jesus?

He had to make himself a servant and a man before he could be less than God.

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

By virtue of being a man he became less than the angels and hence less than God.

Janosky:


Do you, Solite3, believe the words Jesus spoke in heaven that he has his God and Father in heaven?

**Solite3 deceiving himself.
Rev 3:5,21 Why did Jesus in heaven call Yahweh "my Father","my God" ?
You have claimed that on earth,as a man Jesus is inferior to God.
Solite3, where was Jesus Christ when he spoke the words of Rev 3:5,21?

Is anyone you call "my Father", "my God", is that person Superior to you?
Would Solite3 call his age mate, "my Father"?

$$$$ John6:38
" 38 For I have come down
from heaven, not to do My own will, but to
do the will of Him who sent Me."

$$$ * Solite3, John 6:38 was Jesus sent?
whose will did Jesus obey by coming to the earth "in the form of a servant"?

***#### Phil2:7, Jesus NEVER lived on earth before he was sent from heaven by Yahweh, therefore he was not a servant of God on earth prior to his birth.

If you dodge any of my questions again, that's further proof you're not truthful and honest.

solite3:
Jehovah witness organisation was built on a satanic foundation.

Jesus was resurrected from the grave as a human.
He remains a man till date, as a man he is less than the father.
But the beginning of your confusion in this regard is that you deny That Jesus truly resurrected from the grave.

Solohmony:
It is not a surprise that people have not understand trinity because it is only God that can make you to understand His principles.
Trinity means God is one being but have three personalities/roles. All billions of people in the world have only one being- human but each of us have different personalities. You can be a father to your children, husband to your wife and brother to your younger brother. Only one person performing three roles relate this analogy to trinity concept. God is one being but perform three different roles.
God as Father create heaven and earth
God as Son provide salvation to humanity.
God the Spirit guide and comfort us.
Just the same God revealed himself in three dimensions. Jesus said Father is greater than him not in term of being but role as Son.
Jesus Christ did not say God is greater than Him but notice the word "Father". It is only Jesus Christ that always refer God to Father, He is only taking about role not being.

Read Isaiah 9:6

tuniski:

So there are 3 gods, since you are distinct from the president but are humans?

Janosky:


Solo,my questions for you:

**1). in Rev 3:5,21 where was Jesus Christ when he said "my Father", "my God"?

2) In Rev 3:5,21 who did Jesus Christ call "my Father", "my God"?
Simple questions.

Read Isaiah 9:6
Psalms 110:1
John 1:1-3

Solohmony:
It is not a surprise that people have not understand trinity because it is only God that can make you to understand His principles.
Trinity means God is one being but have three personalities/roles. All billions of people in the world have only one being- human but each of us have different personalities. You can be a father to your children, husband to your wife and brother to your younger brother. Only one person performing three roles relate this analogy to trinity concept. God is one being but perform three different roles.
God as Father create heaven and earth
God as Son provide salvation to humanity.
God the Spirit guide and comfort us.
Just the same God revealed himself in three dimensions. Jesus said Father is greater than him not in term of being but role as Son.
Jesus Christ did not say God is greater than Him but notice the word "Father". It is only Jesus Christ that always refer God to Father, He is only taking about role not being.

Read Isaiah 9:6

OLAADEGBU:


By George Mitrakos| I was recently engaging in a theological discussion with someone who took part in a group which adheres to the doctrine of what is known to many as humanism. Now, in an attempt to drive into question the very doctrines taught by the Christian church, he inquired of me concerning the apparent contradiction between Jesus's utterance that the Father is greater than him (John 14:28) and the divinity doctrine which has been taught for a little over 2 thousand years.

This question gets passed around a lot, with the intentions of dismantling Orthodox theology and the concept of the Trinity. Yet, with a proper understanding of the relevant text, we can be well equipped to address and deal with such arguments proposed by the opposing camp.

So let us see what our Lord meant by such a statement:

To be continued...http://reasonsforjesus.com/the-father-is-greater-than-i-does-this-disprove-trinity/

OLAADEGBU:


What Is The Meaning Of The Word Greater?

One of the many reasons why skeptics and Unitarians come to this unanimous decision that Christ was merely a human being is largely due to a deep miscomprehension regarding the term greater. These individuals take upon themselves the task of limiting this word to meaning that one lies superior to another in ALL aspects of his being.

However, just to demonstrate that this is NOT the case, let me provide you with a few definitions from the Macmillan dictionary and see if their limiting efforts can stand under scrutiny:

According to the Macmillan dictionary, the word greater means:

more than usual
important/powerful
enthusiastic
able to do something well
for expressing pleasure
(not) good/enjoyable

As you can see, not all definitions point to a superiority in essence. Here are what 11 other dictionaries and lexicons translate the word Jesus used, which in Greek is transliterated as 'megas':

This word can mean "important," "strong," and even "large." We can clearly see why the incarnate Son would use this word in his human state to refer to the Father.

Br. Sam Shamoun, a prominent Christian apologist puts it quite well, stating: "The term greater, not Just in Greek, but also in English, can hold two meanings. 1) being better in essence 2) being better in rank/position. For example, one can say that I am greater than my dog which implies that I am greater than it both in rank and essence. However, one can also say that my boss is greater than me or that the president is greater than the vice president. These do not refer to essence, but in office and rank."

OLAADEGBU:


What Is The Meaning Of The Word Greater?

One of the many reasons why skeptics and Unitarians come to this unanimous decision that Christ was merely a human being is largely due to a deep miscomprehension regarding the term greater. These individuals take upon themselves the task of limiting this word to meaning that one lies superior to another in ALL aspects of his being.

However, just to demonstrate that this is NOT the case, let me provide you with a few definitions from the Macmillan dictionary and see if their limiting efforts can stand under scrutiny:

According to the Macmillan dictionary, the word greater means:

more than usual
important/powerful
enthusiastic
able to do something well
for expressing pleasure
(not) good/enjoyable

As you can see, not all definitions point to a superiority in essence. Here are what 11 other dictionaries and lexicons translate the word Jesus used, which in Greek is transliterated as 'megas':

This word can mean "important," "strong," and even "large." We can clearly see why the incarnate Son would use this word in his human state to refer to the Father.

Br. Sam Shamoun, a prominent Christian apologist puts it quite well, stating: "The term greater, not Just in Greek, but also in English, can hold two meanings. 1) being better in essence 2) being better in rank/position. For example, one can say that I am greater than my dog which implies that I am greater than it both in rank and essence. However, one can also say that my boss is greater than me or that the president is greater than the vice president. These do not refer to essence, but in office and rank."