i prefer him staying back in paderborn

andrew444:


If no gurantee of say na him go get the left back he should not near there as I still see his German club and Norwich as the same grade of teams

charlesemeka85:
i prefer him staying back in paderborn

Same with me bro

andrew444:


The dutch and scottish league are not ranked at the same level bros

Pretty sure they are
Their champions play qualifiers to reach UCL group stage
Their runners up play europa

LZAA:

Pretty sure they are
Their champions play qualifiers to reach UCL group stage
Their runners up play europa

They don't rate it like that sir okay ,even if I am to go by that way they are not ranked the same level ,Dutch league have always been ahead

Now let me go in your on way which is even false

The Dutch league the first and second will play champions league qualifiers

While in the Scottish it's only first that will take part in the champions league qualifiers while the second is Europa league which is Glasgow Rangers

So how are they the same level ?

andrew444:


They don't rate it like that sir okay ,even if I am to go by that way they are not ranked the same level ,Dutch league have always been ahead

Now let me go in your on way which is even false

The Dutch league the first and second will play champions league qualifiers

While in the Scottish it's only first that will take part in the champions league qualifiers while the second is Europa league which is Glasgow Rangers

So how are they the same level ?

Sorry bro but they ARE the same
Same being the dutch recently lost their auto qualification and like u said top 2 teams have to qualify
Coefficients are the determining factor

LZAA:

Sorry bro but they ARE the same
Same being the dutch recently lost their auto qualification and like u said top 2 teams have to qualify
Coefficients are the determining factor

Dutch is still ahead of Scotland it's very clear

2 teams from the Dutch will compete in the champions league

While one from Scotland

It's very clear bro

Africa’s road to the 2022 World Cup begins in September, when the lowest-ranked 28 teams will play two-legged playoff matches.

The 14 winners join the higher ranked 26 teams in the second round of qualifying. Here, the 40 teams will be split into 10 groups of 4.

Then, the 10 group winners will then be paired in a playoff round, with the 5 winners advancing to the 2022 World Cup.

In effect, the Super Eagles will play a maximum of 8 matches if they make it to the final qualifying playoff round.

charlesemeka85:
Newly promoted epl side Norwich rekindle their interest in Nigerian international left back jamilu collins

He can't bench Jamal Lewis

tbaba1234:


In the past, you can argue 90% but that trend is changing rapidly. Our national team is dominated by under 17 players who never played in the league and players from the diaspora.

The quality produced by the league has dropped drastically. Can you compare the likes of Odey and Lokosa to Finidi George, who went straight to a champions league winning side or Amokachi. Look at our performances in Africa.

Coaching is one problem but i do not think scouting is properly done either. Academy players have achieved more success in recent years than NPFL players.

Finidi and Amokachi had the benefit of national team exposure which aided their transition to Europe. If Odeh and Lokosa came into limelight during Finidi's era, you bet they would have got a look in by Westerhoff and probably get signed by the likes of Ajax from Mfm and pillars.
I speak with confidence because they scored about 17 goals apiece, I'm sure neither Finidi nor Amokachi scored as many times.

Barryseal:


Finidi and Amokachi had the benefit of national team exposure which aided their transition to Europe. If Odeh and Lokosa came into limelight during Finidi's era, you bet they would have got a look in by Westerhoff and probably get signed by the likes of Ajax from Mfm and pillars.
I speak with confidence because they scored about 17 goals apiece, I'm sure neither Finidi nor Amokachi scored as many times.

That's the thing.. The league had better quality then. Odey failed several trials abroad before getting the FC Zurich deal. Lokosa also failed several trials and it took Rohr's recommendation to get him his Esperance deal.

There is a huge gulf in the quality coming out. What about Mba and Oboabana who were given national team boosts, where are they now?

Academy players are securing better deals without national team support.

tbaba1234:


That's the thing.. The league had better quality then. Odey failed several trials abroad before getting the FC Zurich deal. Lokosa also failed several trials and it took Rohr's recommendation to get him his Esperance deal.

There is a huge gulf in the quality coming out. What about Mba and Oboabana who were given national team boosts, where are they now?

Academy players are securing better deals without national team support.

True. The few ones that had the national team exposure especially during the time of Keshi , didn't make anything out of it. I wonder why

tbaba1234:


In the past, you can argue 90% but that trend is changing rapidly. Our national team is dominated by under 17 players who never played in the league and players from the diaspora.

The quality produced by the league has dropped drastically. Can you compare the likes of Odey and Lokosa to Finidi George, who went straight to a champions league winning side or Amokachi. Look at our performances in Africa.

Coaching is one problem but i do not think scouting is properly done either. Academy players have achieved more success in recent years than NPFL players.

You still didnt prove me wrong. That all didn't come from the NPFL still didn't mean the U17s were not from Nigeria via various Academies located in this same Nigeria mounted by Local coaches and handlers.

If going abroad to play was not that easy, most of those in Academies would have ended up in the main league. So I still repeat that 90% are mostly from Nigeria.

somehow:
You still didnt prove me wrong. That all didn't come from the NPFL still didn't mean the U17s were not from Nigeria via various Academies located in this same Nigeria mounted by Local coaches and handlers.

If going abroad to play was not that easy, most of those in Academies would have ended up in the main league. So I still repeat that 90% are mostly from Nigeria.

The argument is about the NPFL. The lack of quality in the league.

It is not about quality in the general population.

It is the Nigerian national team so of course most players will come from Nigeria.

tbaba1234:


That's the thing.. The league had better quality then. Odey failed several trials abroad before getting the FC Zurich deal. Lokosa also failed several trials and it took Rohr's recommendation to get him his Esperance deal.

There is a huge gulf in the quality coming out. What about Mba and Oboabana who were given national team boosts, where are they now?

Academy players are securing better deals without national team support.

Better deals? You're saying this as if academy players are securing deals with the Barcelonas and Bayern Munichs. The academy players start their careers in countries like Slovakia, Bosnia and Latvia. A few land in div2 clubs in Portugal, some in Turkey, Belgium and scandanavia, the rest in Asia. These are the same countries NPFL players get signed to as well because basically they all have the same set of agents. Fact!

Guys like Chukwueze, Osimhen, Iheanacho, Success and Nwakalis got big moves to Europe using the national team platform. Chukwueze would have still been at Umuahia with his friends if he didn't get a break through with the national team U17s. At best, he will be at Tresin in Slovakia if he didn't get picked up by Abia warriors.

tbaba1234:


The argument is about the NPFL. The lack of quality in the league.

It is not about quality in the general population.

It is the Nigerian national team so of course most players will come from Nigeria.

Handlers and coaches caused tthis. never ready to try new faces because their own job not safe either.

Then comes the administrators who are largely bereft of ideas. most are political jobbers.

Then comes the money part, people hardly retire from the NPFL because its like a life pension to them. Their ages remain same almost every season with the hope of moving abroad not to improve but to earn huge pay.

We have raw talents in the league but we wants to spend time nurturing when they can just scout from foreign leagues? makes the job easier for them.

Lastly, most runners of Academies operate solely to move their players abroad for financial gains and not because of the league (Since the league not even ready to absorb younger legs) .

somehow:


Handlers and coaches caused tthis. never ready to try new faces because their own job not safe either.

Then comes the administrators who are largely bereft of ideas. most are political jobbers.

Then comes the money part, people hardly retire from the NPFL because its like a life pension to them. Their ages remain same almost every season with the hope of moving abroad not to improve but to earn huge pay.

We have raw talents in the league but we wants to spend time nurturing when they can just scout from foreign leagues? makes the job easier for them.

Lastly, most runners of Academies operate solely to move their players abroad for financial gains and not because of the league (Since the league not even ready to absorb younger legs) .

That's the exactly the case. They are set up buisnesses exclusively to send players abroad and earn dollars. The funny thing is that only but a few have actual contacts or partnership with geniue foreign agents. Most of these academies have not managed to secure deals for their players in years. The ones who ship players on regular have partnerships with some clubs directly.
The government must start investigating the activities of these academies because most of them are operated by scammers who scam the parents of these desperate boys.
The are all over the place on Facebook.

tbaba1234:


That's the thing.. The league had better quality then. Odey failed several trials abroad before getting the FC Zurich deal. Lokosa also failed several trials and it took Rohr's recommendation to get him his Esperance deal.

There is a huge gulf in the quality coming out. What about Mba and Oboabana who were given national team boosts, where are they now?

Academy players are securing better deals without national team support.

Why do you like comparing apples and oranges?

Barryseal:

Better deals? You're saying this as if academy players are securing deals with the Barcelonas and Bayern Munichs. The academy players start their careers in countries like Slovakia, Bosnia and Latvia. A few land in div2 clubs in Portugal, some in Turkey, Belgium and scandanavia, the rest in Asia. These are the same countries NPFL players get signed to as well because basically they all have the same set of agents. Fact!

Guys like Chukwueze, Osimhen, Iheanacho, Success and Nwakalis got big moves to Europe using the national team platform. Chukwueze would have still been at Umuahia with his friends if he didn't get a break through with the national team U17s. At best, he will be at Tresin in Slovakia if he didn't get picked up by Abia warriors.

Well, our standards are not particularly high. Are Nigerian players not going to India?

I am not even talking about those in the National team. I understand Villarreal signed a few Nigerian academy players recently. Porto and other Portuguese teams have Nigerians in their ranks. Feirense youth team has 3-4 Nigerians straight from Nigerian academies.

Onyekuru did not play for the national team, neither did Dennis Bonaventure. Ejuke was part of the 2016 under 17 but that team did not go far. I do not think his progress can be attributed to the national team.

James Ibekeme is joining a La liga side this season if reports are believed but he never played in the league. Straight from academies.

BascoVanVeli:



The league loses big talents but it is like a revolving door. Some go out and some come in. After Stephen Odey there was Lokosa and even after him the Kano pillars still almost won a double this year.

What the league is really missing are names but there is still big talent here. These guys become household names and leave and this makes it hard for the public to keep up.

In my opinion a very big problem is the age factor and age discrimination.

Irrespective of how good you are once you are above 26 even younger most European clubs which is the preferred destination will not consider you as a prospect.

As a consequence age is intrinsically linked to potential and your prospects.

That's why across Africa or anywhere else there is no Automatic Birth Data Capture thier is inevitable age cheating.

Consequently, a lot of players are already at thier peak and struggle to improve and then inevitably fall down the ladder. But also for many the quest for money is paramount not career progression.

That's the reality and to be honest do you blame them.

LZAA:

Rivaldo,aimar,aldair,leonardo,romario,zico
Of course it drained quality in their leagues
Saying players are not good enough is a farce
Pep and cryuff molded barca in their own image
Fergie built team after team at united
A talented player not coached properly is a liablity
If in doubt look at ravel morrison

This is misleading what you have stated in the bold.

Ravel has an attitude problem, lacks discipline , is very disruptive and has no professional ethos and focus.

His problem is not about being coached properly

TheSuperNerd:
Thank you Sir Terzurum5.

But you see this dawn begins now and even precedes Afcon 2021.

By Afcon 2021, we will be witnessing most likely a higher metamorphosis of the team into a stronger force if the key things go well.


I think it should be,

"The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn of a New Era and Roads to Afcon 2021 & Qatar 2022."



Also, we should create an Olympics thread as we did before... Unless the house wants us to include discussions on the Dream Team VII (U-23 Dream Team Eagles) here meaning we have to add Tokyo 2020 too.

Creating and visiting a separate thread for the Olympics team may not be so convenient. You saw how the Last Flying Eagles thread just died. People prefered discussing their matches here. Same goes for the Eaglets and even Falcons thread.

For me the Olympics team is a mini-Super Eagles team and so we should discuss Tokyo 2020 qualifiers here.

And finally I think the current title by terzurum5 is ok.

tbaba1234:


Spot on.

Quality leagues attract quality. Players leave Belgium every year but they find good replacements.

Particularly the Belguim and Dutch leagues look at how many young teenagers are given opportunity and thrive.

Then look at the real age of the players in the NPFL.

There lies the PROBLEM.

tbaba1234:


Well, our standards are not particularly high. Are Nigerian players not going to India?

I am not even talking about those in the National team. I understand Villarreal signed a few Nigerian academy players recently. Porto and other Portuguese teams have Nigerians in their ranks. Feirense youth team has 3-4 Nigerians straight from Nigerian academies.

Onyekuru did not play for the national team, neither did Dennis Bonaventure. Ejuke was part of the 2016 under 17 but that team did not go far. I do not think his progress can be attributed to the national team.

James Ibekeme is joining a La liga side this season if reports are believed but he never played in the league. Straight from academies.

The NPFL and LA Liga have a partnership, no surprises if we get to see a few more players head to Spain from Nigeria. It also makes sense Villarreal will try to explore the Nigerian market to find the next Chukwueze. Not because of the NPFL vs academy dichotomy you're pushing out but because of the success of Chukwueze.

Bonaventure moved to Zorya fc of Ukraine from an academy. Hardly an earth shattering move to reckon with. Players move from the NPFL to Ukraine on a regular.

Onyekuru was at Qatar before moving to Eupen which is about one of the smallest teams in Belgium. Didn't Joseph Akpala go from Insurance to Standard liege?
James Ibekeme has been playing low league football for a while in Portugal before signing for Zaragoza in Spanish div 2. How sure are you that Ibekeme didn't play in the NNL before leaving Nigeria? Do you mind tell me why he didn't move to a LA Liga team from a Lagos academy?

My point still stands, that academy players from Nigeria bounce around buffer teams in Europe before getting decent moves. Some get totally lost and disappear off radar durring these transitions.

I repeat, the ones who get big moves used the national age grade team's platform.

charlesemeka85:
Trapzonspor interested in Chidozie Awaziem

Some people ple said he was our best defender in the AFCON.

Should he not be moving upwards as opposed to staying in Turkey with his exceptional talent.

Barryseal:

The NPFL and LA Liga have a partnership, no surprises if we get to see a few more players head to Spain from Nigeria. It also makes sense Villarreal will try to explore the Nigerian market to find the next Chukwueze. Not because of the NPFL vs academy dichotomy you're pushing out but because of the success of Chukwueze.

Bonaventure moved to Zorya fc of Ukraine from an academy. Hardly an earth shattering move to reckon with. Players move from the NPFL to Ukraine on a regular.

Onyekuru was at Qatar before moving to Eupen which is about one of the smallest teams in Belgium. Didn't Joseph Akpala go from Insurance to Standard liege?
James Ibekeme has been playing low league football for a while in Portugal before signing for Zaragoza in Spanish div 2. How sure are you that Ibekeme didn't play in the NNL before leaving Nigeria? Do you mind tell me why he didn't move to a LA Liga team from a Lagos academy?

My point still stands, that academy players from Nigeria bounce around buffer teams in Europe before getting decent moves. Some get totally lost and disappear off radar durring these transitions.

I repeat, the ones who get big moves used the national age grade team platform.

How many NPFL players are making similar progression though? very few.

The academy guys are also securing the bigger moves but it is much harder to make the first team of big teams.

Ipalibo has been in Villarreal youth sides for a few years now. We have a few boys who have played for Porto with no chance at first team football. How many NPFL players get signed to such teams??

The point is that the players rising to the top for the most part are not NPFL players. They are players picked from academies. Odey is the only NPFL player on a positive trajectory at the moment.

komekn:


Some people ple said he was our best defender in the AFCON.

Should he not be moving upwards as opposed to staying in Turkey with his exceptional talent.

There is also an offer from Nantes.

komekn:


Some people ple said he was our best defender in the AFCON.

Should he not be moving upwards as opposed to staying in Turkey with his exceptional talent.

Nigerian players love Turkey for pecuniary reasons.

komekn:


In my opinion a very big problem is the age factor and age discrimination.

Irrespective of how good you are once you are above 26 even younger most European clubs which is the preferred destination will not consider you as a prospect.

As a consequence age is intrinsically linked to potential and your prospects.

That's why across Africa or anywhere else there is no Automatic Birth Data Capture thier is inevitable age cheating.

Consequently, a lot of players are already at thier peak and struggle to improve and then inevitably fall down the ladder. But also for many the quest for money is paramount not career progression.

That's the reality and to be honest do you blame them.

Well the age jist dey but my point will always be that no man knows where the next big thing will come from. You can't stop searching the league because of laziness. Someone is talking about the Amokachi and Finidi like they are not absolute legends of the game. These types of players are rare gems. You can't expect to find their type by watching a single NPFL game that's elementary.

Format of the qualifiers for the FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022

Agenda: CAF General Assembly / Assemblée Générale
The African qualifiers for the FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 will held in three rounds; preliminary round, group stage and playoffs.

1[b]. Preliminary Round [/b]

The 26 highest ranked teams, according to the official FIFA ranking will be exempted from the preliminary round leaving 28 participating teams. Of these 28 teams, the 14 highest ranked teams according to the FIFA ranking (released on 25 July 2019) will play against the 14 least ranked teams (the 1st leg will be played at home of the lower ranked teams).

The 28 teams are Zimbabwe, Sierra Leone, Mozambique, Namibia, Angola, Guinea Bissau, Malawi, Togo, Sudan, Rwanda, Tanzania, Equatorial Guinea, Eswatini, Lesotho, Comoros, Botswana, Burundi, Ethiopia, Liberia, Mauritius, Gambia, South Sudan, Chad, Sao Tomé e Principe, Seychelles, Djibouti, Somalia and Eritrea.

The draw for the preliminary round will take place on Monday, 29 July 2019, at the CAF Headquarters in Cairo, Egypt at 10H00 GMT.

Schedule: 2-10 September 2019 (both legs)

2. Group Stage

The 14 winning teams from the Preliminary Round will join the 26 exempted teams for the Group Stage, which will have 10 groups of 4 teams each. The draw for the groups will be based on the seeding of the 40 teams into 4 Pots according to the official ranking of FIFA. Each group will contain a team from each of the pot.

The details for draw will communicated later. However, the schedule are as follows;

Day 1: 23-31 March 2020

Day 2: 1-9 June 2020

Day 3 & 4: 22-30 March 2021

Day 5: 30 August – 7 September 2021

Day 6: 4-12 October 2021

3. Playoff

The winners of the 10 groups will be divided into 2 Pots based on the official ranking of FIFA. The five (5) highest ranked teams according to the official FIFA ranking will play against the 5 least ranked teams (the 1st leg will be played at home of the lower ranked teams).

Schedule: 8-16 November 2021 (both legs)

The five winners will qualify to represent Africa at the FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022.

komekn:


This is misleading what you have stated in the bold.

Ravel has an attitude problem, lacks discipline , is very disruptive and has no professional ethos and focus.

His problem is not about being coached properly

That does not have anything to do with what he said na. Obviously the player would have everything you listed if he is saying the problem is proper technical input