lexy2014:


Which word did d Shiites use? Which word did tuface use when he was planning something similar?

Words are very strong- protests have been known to deteriorate to revolutions. But starting a movement with the word 'revolution' represents something else but peaceful and so no government will sit and watch.

This would have made a bit more meaning if it wasn't coming from a confirmed BMC.

As it is it is nothing but tripe. Anybody that can sing praises of this present govt has been cheaply bought.

How can a country that is not at war be losing thousands of soldiers and civilians monthly to terrorists yet the President was a soldier?
No wonder he never got any stellar result in all the courses he undertook in the Army. Always coming bottom of the class.

In 2022 he will attempt to change the constitution to enable a third term and bastard BMC's will come out to support it.

All the pains that Nigerians are going through will be repaid in the lives of Buhari supporters and their children after them.

So much pain and poverty in the land. Tufiakwa!

koboko69:


Revolutions always start with unarmed protesters, then violence, then some armed group and politicians hijack it....that's how it all starts!

oga how should people protest?because Buhari protested and take over from Jonathan. Is obvious that this government is not interested in opposition, but anarchy is looming.

gidgiddy:


That's like saying that all young boys should be shot because an armed robber first starts off as young boy, grows into a man, takes up arms and starts robbing people.

Should we kill all young boys because of the possibility that some of them could be armed robbers in the future? No, that would be very stupid. That's how stupid your argument is

Freedom of expression and protest is enshrined in section 39 of the Nigerian constitution. The authorities are bound by law to allow people to freely protest. If the protest turns violent, then the authorities can move in and arrest the violent protesters. That is how civilised countries act

Revolution is by definition violent. I think that's why the OP begins by giving us the meaning of revolution. The organisers use the wrong tag RevolutionNow, no government will sit back watch

gidgiddy:


Exactly, you allow people to protest then if the protest turns violent, then you can call in the Army to restore law and order.

This has nothing to do with overthrowing government. When Sowore was calling for a revolution, he said he wants people to come out and join him in protest against the direction Nigeria is heading. He never said anything about taking up arms or being violent.

Arresting Sowore because he mentioned the word 'revolution' would be tantamount to arresting people simply for talking.

Only somebody armed can overthrow a government. So if Sowore and his group are not armed and only want to on a protest which they call 'revolution', then arresting him is only because he talked.

We are in a democracy where people have freedom of speech. The authorities should not be arresting people for merely talking. That is very bad and takes us back to the days of the military where saying the wrong words could land one in jail

u are really making sense man ,most time arguing with one whose conscience has already been morgeted is a wast of time, because he will always see things from that monthly stipend that is been paid to them.

Onigbindemmd:
The arrest of the man is a great development to the nation, remaining FFK and runaway terrorist Kanu

it seems you are tipsy

Only irresponsible one...which man will stand and do nothing if his family wants to revolt.

enfuse:


Words are very strong- protests have been known to deteriorate to revolutions. But starting a movement with the word 'revolution' represents something else but peaceful and so no government will sit and watch.

U still didn't answer d question: "Which word did d Shiites use? Which word did tuface use when he was planning something similar?"

SaintLucia:
Honestly u know nothing about the concept of Revolution. Revolution in Ukraine 2004? Brazil, South Korea? I'm very sure you will tag what is happening in Hong Kong and what recently happened in France as Revolution.

SaintLucia:
U for counter my comment na

These were ur exact words when I told u that u weren't entirely correct about revolution not happening in democratic countries. Funny enough, u haven't countered my comments. What I expected of u since u say I don't no&that u are an expert on d subject of revolution, is to tell me how& y d instances I made don't qualify as revolution

Stupid and crazy e-warriors who only rant here on nairaland.
They will only speak here to fool sowore that they are behind him.
Na wetin una want make e happen to tubaba be this
Im go dey rot for jail while u people go dey with u a own families
Crazy and stupid fools

lexy2014:





These were ur exact words when I told u that u weren't entirely correct about revolution not happening in democratic countries. Funny enough, u haven't countered my comments. What I expected of u since u say I don't no&that u are an expert on d subject of revolution, is to tell me how& y d instances I made don't qualify as revolution

I have countered your comment when u mentioned Ukraine, South Korea and Brazil and I realized that you don't know the difference between revolution and protest. Sorry I'm off cos I don't think you are ready to learn.

My comment is with regards to the post - No responsible government will watch a revolution but a democracy should allow a protest.

On your question? Both Shitte and Tuface's demonstrations were tagged 'protests' and not a revolution. Whatever overcomes presented itself from those protests had no relationship to my consideration of the topic under discussion. My take on this topic is exclusive of other events and similar protest.

koboko69:


Na your village 200k people die abi. Do u even know ehat 200k lives is? U just dey yap nonsense. If the useless PDP government had tackled all this issues when it all started.....it wont be a full blown epidemic we see today.

person wey no fit identify Boko Haram leader name.... una dey try following up with this guy .. the boko haram guy name is muhammed yusuf and not Dikko Yusuf

My comment is with regards to the post - No government will watch a revolution but a democracy should allow a protest.

On your question? Both Shitte and Tuface's movements were tagged protests and not a revolution. Whatever happened in the cases afire mentioned is mutual exclusive to the topic under discussion.

lexy2014:


U still didn't answer d question: "Which word did d Shiites use? Which word did tuface use when he was planning something similar?"

lexy2014:


U still didn't answer d question: "Which word did d Shiites use? Which word did tuface use when he was planning something similar?"

SaintLucia:
I have countered your comment when u mentioned Ukraine, South Korea and Brazil and I realized that you don't know the difference between revolution and protest. Sorry I'm off cos I don't think you are ready to learn.

U haven't said anything& u haven't countered anything. U haven't said WHY d cases of Ukraine, South Korea and Brazil aren't revolutions. Give me d REASONS WHY u feel they aren't that is if u have any. If u have already learnt what u claim that I don't no, then it wouldn't b difficult 4u to share what u say u no.

koboko69:


Revolutions always start with unarmed protesters, then violence, then some armed group and politicians hijack it....that's how it all starts!

Words have "no single meaning" until you contextualized it.

The violence often starts when you refuse to dialog but rather deploy machine guns on unarmed protesters.

There can be revolution without violence and there has been cases of peaceful revolution in history.

Government have drawn the first sword for a protest that is yet to take off. This is simply not democracy anymore.

enfuse:
My comment is with regards to the post - No government will watch a revolution but a democracy should allow a protest.

On your question? Both Shitte and Tuface's movements were tagged protests and not a revolution. Whatever happened in the cases afire mentioned is mutual exclusive to the topic under discussion.

Now since u say "a democracy should allow a protest" and u say d Shiites and Tuface movements were tagged protests and not revolution, y then did d govt violently clamp down on d Shiite protests& also threatened d same for Tufaces planned protest?

lexy2014:


Now since u say "a democracy should allow a protest" and u say d Shiites and Tuface movements were tagged protests and not revolution, y then did d govt violently clamp down on d Shiite protests& also threatened d same for Tufaces planned protest?

My comment has nothing to do with the outcome from similar protests. My comment was based on using the word revolution for your protest or movement.
Now, if you want to consider the way protests have been handled by the government, then that's another topic. My response was purely centered on the topic.

Boyooosa:


Firstly, i want us to gain from this discussion and not like the usual NL rants and counter rants, the reason i used that analogy.
Now, let me point out the elements of my previous message so that u will get a clearer picture on how it relates with the topic:
1, The BAD neighbour threatening fire on the other guy = Sowore's threat on Buhari's govt (We must bundle Buhari out of that place)
2, The BAD guy suspecting the other of dating his gf = Sowore suspecting Buhari heading a bad governance.
3, Either it is relevant or not, BEEF has already been established by Sowore since he contested and lost election against Buhari and that was the same beef the BAD guy had against the progressing other guy.
4, BAD guy fraternizing with DEADLY guys means Sowore, fraternizing with proscribed Organization (IPOB) leader, Nnamdi Kanu recently and reflecting freedom of a proscribed group, IMN leader in his REVOLUTION agenda, is a huge threat to any reasonable govt and the word THREAT can transmogrify to Felony if not taken care as immediate as possible. That was the reflection of the BAD neighbour fraternizing with purported dangerous enemies of the other guy.
5, Finally, you mentioned that you will allow police to step in which exactly was done by the government, so where did they get it wrong sir?

That's why I said Nigeria is not a serious country. If the Nigerian government left other armed and deadly groups out there that are killing people daily to consider an unarmed Sowore, who has never been known to be violent, a security threat then Nigeria is an embarrassment.

The government does not know what it is doing. They will see an unarmed Kanu who didn't touch anyone, tag him a terrorist

They will see an unarmed Sowore and arrest him because he called his planned protest a 'revolution'

But if it is armed killer herdsmen, they will rush to give them Ruga

If it is armed Niger Delta militants, they will rush and give hem amnesty

If it is armed Boko haram, they will release them after rehabilitation

They clamp down on those who are not armed then treat those who are armed killing like movie stars.

Just laughable

koboko69:
Revolution definition from 2 different dictionaries;

1. rev·o·lu·tion

a forcible overthrow of a government or social order, in favor of a new system.

synonyms: rebellion, revolt, insurrection, mutiny, uprising, riot, rioting, rising, insurgence, insurgency, coup, overthrow, seizure of power, regime change;

2. : a sudden, radical, or complete change
a fundamental change in political organization

especially : the overthrow or renunciation of one government or ruler and the substitution of another by the governed

While I am strongly in support of freedom of speech and association, I really don't think any government in the world wouldn't act on organizers of a protest which have been widely publicised as a "REVOLUTION" protest.

In my PERSONAL opinion, a better adjective or word should have been used for the so called protest.

Occupy Nigeria is a good example
The 2 face 1 million march which he later called off is another.

Whats your take?

This is coming on the heels of the purported arrest of Sowere.

guy you've tried to explain the revolution thing but is now left for discerning mind to get the message. many of us can read and write but definition of EDUCATION no too reflect in our way of assimilation

WiLdFLame:
Only jobless and unpatriotic support this shits. No sane Yoruba is supporting Sowore. Because we don’t destroy. We build and negotiate. Now Sowore is being supported by the Ibos. Dem don hijack am because they hate buhari with passion. You igbos has always been making bad political decisions in the contemporary. If you Igbos wants revolution. Good and fine . Take it to southeast. Let the second Biafra war start and the little development there be destroyed. It's for the better of Southwest. Shebi una talk say una wan no wise ba. I don't know why the igbos hates Buhari much. When your kinsmen was there why una no Organise revolution. You all shouting revolution. Go and start with your family first. Then come back latter if you want it not .

Ranting of a poorly educated yoruba man

gidgiddy:


There is nothing like hate speech in the Nigerian constitution

Who's deciving you?

enfuse:


My comment has nothing to do with the outcome from similar protests. My comment was based on using the word revolution for your protest or movement.
Now, if you want to consider the way protests have been handled by the government, then that's another topic. My response was purely centered on the topic.

Ur comment has everything 2do with d outcome of similar protests. If u say that Sowore shouldn't have used "revolution" to tag his movement & that cost him his freedom, then there's no harm in looking at other botched planned and actual protests and to c what words were used in those instances. Every other protest including this are about d right of Nigerians to protest irrespective of whether u call it revolution or not. Cos if u say d govt won't tolerate d use of d word "revolution" for a protest, y did d same govtnot tolerate other protests that were just simply tagged protests and not revolution?

midolian:


Rqbbish!!
Myopic!!


So if a group of people write the CBN they are coming to rob, you expect the government to sit and watch when they know the identity of these people just because we are in a democratic setting?

And when they come to rob and the incidence claim lives and properties, it is you and your people that will blame the government for being too "slow"

Bokoharam started with the ideology of Western Education is a sin..it started like they were preaching the gospel...see where we are today!
If the government had done the needful when the movement was a baby, only God knows if we would be having any boko nightmare now...

My point is "Prevention is far better than cure"

Some of these systems were never designed for the black man.

You are partly correct.

Government can prevent without infringing on the constitutional right of the people.

Regarding the "CBN analogy", what government should, and would do is to reinforce/fortify the apex bank from being robbed and or investigate the motive behind the letter. In any case, they will be charged to court even for writing such letter.

On the other side of the argument, it will be very wrong for government to arrest on the basis of preemptive measures if the individual is not charged to court.

So the fine red-line limit between "Government Preemptive" measures and the "Revolutionary Movement" protest can only be determined by the judiciary. Government would be erred if they don't charge Sowore to court on Monday.

Stillthebest:


Lol I don't much much strength. But; the word 'revolution' means a FORCEFUL TAKE OVER/OVERTHROW of a system you don't believe in while 'protest' means an action of expression of disapproval of a system or it's total objection. Such could even a statement.

I'm not lecturing you, just trying to let u know I know what I am saying. Remember Shiite were protesting the release of their leader that's unjustly kept after series of court orders that requested his release. They never mentioned REVOLUTION but it became bloody at the latter. If they had wanted it to become bloody you know they partly fulfilled their missions without pronouncing that they wanted a bloody protest. Such corroborates my views as to not use the word REVOLUTION.. The word is rigid. You conceal your tactics to enemies.. 21 laws of powers.


Well educated: What I meant by that is still the use of that word. To fight a Govt involves being tactical. Words are vehicles. Before a fight words must have been sent beforehand. So words in this case, are vehicles.

Warriors: Sowore is aged in struggles from school days to MKO, till date. His online portal is more of comradeship conveying. So he's a warrior. And commoners are people who are not as exposed as he's(arbitrary pls; commoners and warriors are relative in this case and not all round defined)

I might bot satisfy your needs but I just tried to be explicit. Thanks.

Let me begin by quoting JFK when he said that "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

Which means that there are two types of revolution, violent and nonviolent. What happened in Sudan this year which led to d fall of d Omar al-Bashir govt,wasn't a violent revolution. D only violence recorded was that meted out to protesters by security agencies. Same can b said of d Arab spring particularly in Egypt which was called a "social media revolution". So ur definition that revolution is "forceful takeover/overthrow", isnt universal& doesnt apply in all cases.

D whole idea behind revolution isn't always necessarily "violent takeover", but institutional changes that will result in better living 4d people. When a govt responds poorly to these ideals, it then gets messy, hence d quote from JFK.

So according 2u, d Shiites were protesting because a court order had been given 4 their leader to b released. That means, they were well within their rights to PROTEST. D keyword here is PROTEST which u said Sowore should have used instead of revolution. So if d Shiites according 2u protested, y then did d govt clamp down on them? So am not too sure about d mission u say d Shiites fulfilled and how that corroborates ur view on how not to use d word "revolution".

U said:

"Well educated: What I meant by that is still the use of that word. To fight a Govt involves being tactical. Words are vehicles. Before a fight words must have been sent beforehand. So words in this case, are vehicles."

When tuface tried to organise a protest against this govt some time ago, what words did he use? What are d ideal words u can use to fight govt?


U said:

"Warriors: Sowore is aged in struggles from school days to MKO, till date. His online portal is more of comradeship conveying. So he's a warrior. And commoners are people who are not as exposed as he's(arbitrary pls; commoners and warriors are relative in this case and not all round defined)"

So how does this explain ur comment that "Warriors don't fight like commoners"?

gidgiddy:



There is just one thing you are missing. It is not possible for unarmed people to overthrow a government.


Freedom to protest is very essential in a democracy, without it, it is no longer democracy you are practicing

was arm use in SUDAN before the government was overtrone

koboko69:



About to befall ur imaginary Biafra. When they create go fund me funds for the "REVOLUTION" make sure u donate ur small change

Fukin selfish niggaz so it's the fact that he may keep a small proceeds of donations for himself that it paining u? He deserves the compensation. His actions has causes national dialogue and is a catalyst for change....

This is the very first time I understand this SOWORE is pure criminal. Am thinking of giving him my vote in 2023 general election, but now I definitely change my mind. Advisably ELECTROCUTE the criminal now not tomorrow inorder to serve as warning to others

King44:
at this point I conclude you don't have a single atom of sense at all, all effort made to convince you that freedom of speech shouldn't be limited based on talk and no concrete evidence of revolt in a democratic government proved abortive, nothing on earth can convince you, I believed you were paid well their money is working wonders if na me sef I go do worse but you can't convince us buhari is on track because he is not

bro, sorry to say this. It's your depositions that are bereft of any iota of sense.

Rainbow219:
This is the very first time I understand this SOWORE is pure criminal. Am thinking of giving him my vote in 2023 general election, but now I definitely change my mind. Advisably ELECTROCUTE the criminal now not tomorrow inorder to serve as warning to others

The black race is cursed!! So in ur eyes buhari is good and Sowore is bad. The black race is cursed. I repeat the black race is cursed!

WiLdFLame:
Only jobless and unpatriotic support this shits. No sane Yoruba is supporting Sowore. Because we don’t destroy. We build and negotiate. Now Sowore is being supported by the Ibos. Dem don hijack am because they hate buhari with passion. You igbos has always been making bad political decisions in the contemporary. If you Igbos wants revolution. Good and fine . Take it to southeast. Let the second Biafra war start and the little development there be destroyed. It's for the better of Southwest. Shebi una talk say una wan no wise ba. I don't know why the igbos hates Buhari much. When your kinsmen was there why una no Organise revolution. You all shouting revolution. Go and start with your family first. Then come back latter if you want it not .

This is not about Ibos or yoruba..this is about Nigeria,is about calling our politicians to order.Do you like this Nigeria of today?

midolian:


Rqbbish!!
Myopic!!


So if a group of people write the CBN they are coming to rob, you expect the government to sit and watch when they know the identity of these people just because we are in a democratic setting?

And when they come to rob and the incidence claim lives and properties, it is you and your people that will blame the government for being too "slow"

Bokoharam started with the ideology of Western Education is a sin..it started like they were preaching the gospel...see where we are today!
If the government had done the needful when the movement was a baby, only God knows if we would be having any boko nightmare now...

My point is "Prevention is far better than cure"

Some of these systems were never designed for the black man.

Was d democratic system of which buhari is a beneficiary created 4d black man? Or is buhari not a black man?