samsam2019:
Messi has already done more for his country than Ronaldo ever did for Portugal.


Messi has an Olympic gold, u20 world cup and golden ball, senior world cup silver and golden ball, copa America silver and golden ball. He's also his country's all time top scorer.


Now you see why I consider it idiotic when people say Messi did nothing for Argentina, when he was the tournament's best player 3x while playing for same Argentina



Also, name a tournament ronaldo played for Portugal and he was the best player of the tournament.



Truth is; ronaldo rides on the waves of his teammates while Messi creates the wave and rides the storm for Argentina too

Youth level success?

And because he couldn't stomach losing over and over again in South America your GOAT was banned for mouthing off trash against is Football federation.

hefelove:

Bro to the guy that said world cup is overrated I understand what he meant, Champions League is tougher than world cup that's the truth and that's what he meant

Then you are certainly like the guy himself. World cup is the biggest stage ever in football. It is the toughest ever. You see teams who barely play together coming to compete for the mudia . Champions league is a competition organised every year. same team that plays for their domestic league come still play the champions league. they understand themselves. Champions league teams can be arranged with cash while world cup teams can only be arranged with long term planning. baba forget matter, you see messi and ronaldo? them still never go anywhere. you see pele, maradona, zidane and delinma? leave those men

supercomputer ok oo come let me tell you something come,come, i said come ,did you buy your stupidity or some one give you,mumu supercomputer or supercomposa

ashacot:


Then you are certainly like the guy himself. World cup is the biggest stage ever in football. It is the toughest ever. You see teams who barely play together coming to compete for the mudia . Champions league is a competition organised every year. same team that plays for their domestic league come still play the champions league. they understand themselves. Champions league teams can be arranged with cash while world cup teams can only be arranged with long term planning. baba forget matter, you see messi and ronaldo? them still never go anywhere. you see pele, maradona, zidane and delinma? leave those men

I get your point boss, was even looking at it on the rules level , the away goal thing. But add Seedorf and Pirlo to your list o

Natoski5:
Pure bullshit!!! ....waytin concern supercomputer with footballers rating...
You people should stop been sentimental..

Messi is been feed with world class player in barcelona, cr7 is a lone warrior .

As he day play for him country waytin u see?

Make he leave barca weda he go still get mouth.

Talking about achievement? Cr7 has it more..so what else?

Messi is good, buh cr7 is better!!..

I am a Madrid fan, but I madly disagree with u.


Since xavi, iniesta and dani alves left messi, he has had less suppport than Christian Ronaldo.

Madrid's had far better midfielders than Barca the years Madrid won 3 straight champions league.


Messi had rakitic, busquet and sergi Roberto for most games during those years.

Ronaldo had modric, kroos and Casemiro behind him.

Ronaldo also had one of the most unselfish forwards in Benzema playing just next to him.

So pls tell me who had more suppost between both.

Dont mention Argentina here, cos Argentina without messi is as terrible as Nigeria National team. Especially their last world cup squad.

hefelove:

I get your point boss, was even looking at it on the rules level , the away goal thing. But add Seedorf and Pirlo to your list o

smile, Those are great footballers but we are talking about the greats of greats. Sometimes you see people saying Iniester is a better player than pirlo. You see them say Xavi is a better player than pirlo. some will say modric is better than seedoff. Another one will say hazard is better than Figo. lol. These generation of players are good, but the last generation is miles ahead of them. All we see these days is people using stat to judge footballers not real quality football anymore. That is why you will see someone say C ronaldo is a better player than Ronaldo Delinma or Messi is a better player than Zidane or Lampard is a better player than Pirlo or Xavi is a better player than Micheal balack. You may even see someone say neymah is better than dennis bergkamp.

Dizzyrascal:
Hahahaha cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy. Me laughing after reading the comments before my reply. This particular debate has no end because, fans of each player differ depending on viewpoint. But it is poignant to note that RONALDO has tested his mettle in different leagues/conditions and has come out tops. Ronaldo is good in the air, good with free kicks, uses both his right and left legs to devastating effect, is blessed with speed, can dribble past players, can provide that odd assist if the need arises. Infact, he built the start of his career on providing assist for teammates. I stand by my word that RONALDO is the most COMPLETE player in history........

I want to believe that u watch football matches courtesy of beer parlour gists and analysis.


Ronaldo has not occurred in top 10 players worldwide with most dribbles for past 5 to 6 years.

Messi has been at worst 3rd for past 10years.

What did u say about Ronaldo and assists concerning his start is his career??

E clear say u no know one single thing about ronaldo u are even talking about.

Hope u know Lionel messi is the only player that has had the most assist and goals in LA liga in multiple seasons?

Lionel messi may touch the ball with only his left leg, but his entire body, right leg and head moves along with that left leg to destroy markers.

Messi's body movements beats defenders and u people say he is only one legged.

Meanwhile, Ronaldo that has all the right leg, left leg, k-leg, speed and heading cannot complete more than an average of 2 dribbles per match.


Ronaldo is only more hardworking than messi, towards scoring goals, dats all.

Dizzyrascal:
Mr ITK, how did u come across this particular information?

Mr IDK It's something normal in life.

U can only discuss ur generation n leave out generations u never witnessed.

Some people love CR and some love Leo yes, but let keep sentiments and the love aside, nobody plays the game more than the Argentinian Leo for the past 11years , I have watch the both players closely, Messi is the best thing in football right now, in few years to come we will understand this.

What is this one saying? CR left Man U to real whom have better players and nor juve, keep your sentiments aside know one plays the game better than Messi for now

Natoski5:
Pure bullshit!!! ....waytin concern supercomputer with footballers rating...
You people should stop been sentimental..

Messi is been feed with world class player in barcelona, cr7 is a lone warrior .

As he day play for him country waytin u see?

Make he leave barca weda he go still get mouth.

Talking about achievement? Cr7 has it more..so what else?

Messi is good, buh cr7 is better!!..

Igbosmoker:
and ronaldo is moving to already made teams, if ronaldo wants to prove a point that he's greater than Lionel messi, he should have moved to CA Osasuna in LA liga instead of real Madrid, he should also moved to SS Lazio in serial a instead of juventus. Both juventis and real Madrid have been winning trophies before ronnaldo and are one of the biggest clubs in each of their respective leagues.
Messi has played under different coaches and teammates, his performance hasn't changed and he still leads, imagine messi going to PSG or Bayern Munich, are you telling me messi won't score or win trophies their? Lol ronaldo fans are dumb sha .
Every world class players, coaches and legends have all said messi is the greatest, no wonder messi is living rent free inside ronaldo head,you people are obsessed with a player that don't care about individual glories

Na so o every time Ronaldo moves to another club and won as if the clubs he moved to was not winning before let him go to clubs that’s has not win anything and help to out na. He moved from good to better and we no go hear word. Wetin dey pain them pass be say deep down them sef know say messi good pass Ronaldo 7 players don mark Ronaldo at a time before

bosstim:
Bros make Messi too still tty move to already made teams na shuu...... Until then you can't compare, at least before you can even think of comparing Make him win something for him country, even na spoon sef.
Rubbish sentimental human beings.

No need for attention seeking movements
The under 20 World Cup na your country him win ham for? Upon the kill wey them been won kill Messi this last World Cup Portugal still leave the competition before Argentina. Upon the goaty wey them force put for their chin

oluwamile:
u re sting shit,barca is messi,and without messi there is no barca,he didn't play and we lost

Where was he when liverpool won 4 nill

mixta140:

Where was he when liverpool won 4 nill

Probably talked to his teammates, just to allow Liverpool take it, Sympathy give away.

Dizzyrascal:
Hahahaha . Me laughing after reading the comments before my reply. This particular debate has no end because, fans of each player differ depending on viewpoint. But it is poignant to note that RONALDO has tested his mettle in different leagues/conditions and has come out tops. Ronaldo is good in the air, good with free kicks, uses both his right and left legs to devastating effect, is blessed with speed, can dribble past players, can provide that odd assist if the need arises. Infact, he built the start of his career on providing assist for teammates. I stand by my word that RONALDO is the most COMPLETE player in history........

lmao

Mentorkaryhm:
A real king doesn't control one jungle. Show me a great player that played only in one league. You can mention skills, dribbles and scoring abilities, but don't let all these be synonymous to a particular environment.
Using every parts of the body in goal scoring is also a factor to considered.
Right legs
Left legs
Head.

lmao

The more I read shiit like this the more I think of how great Messi his.

obembet:
It is a question that has both fascinated and bored football fans in equal measure for years, but we may finally have an answer over just who is better between Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo .

It all depends on whether or not you agree with computer scientists from Belgium's KU Leuven university, who claim to have come up with the definitive formula to determine just which one of the old rivals is the better footballer.

As reported by Sporza in Belgium, professors at the university have teamed up with Dutch data specialists SciSports to come up with something called Valuing Actions by Estimating Probabilities (VAEP), which they say gives the answer to the eternal Messi-Ronaldo question.

The formula looks at the players' all-round games, and claims to take into account everything that they do on the pitch in both attacking and defensive roles.

"The value of a soccer player is often determined by goals and assists," said Jesse Davis , a professor at the university.

"A goal is a rare event, however, because an average of 1,600 actions are estimated to occur in a match. Our model looks at each action - shots, passes, dribbles, tackles - and calculates its value."

So, to the bit you're here for.

Data was analysed from the 2013/14 season up to the end of 2017/18 when Ronaldo left Real Madrid , and after feeding the results through their supercomputer - at least we presume it is pretty super - the researchers found that it is Messi who comes out on top.

And by quite a long way.

The Argentinean comes out with a VAEP score of 1.21 per game, which is much higher than Ronaldo's 0.61.

"In the first seasons, Messi and Ronaldo's scores are very close to each other," says PhD student Tom Decroos , who helped with the research.

"From the 2015/16 season, Messi has stepped away from his eternal rival."

Decroos went on to elaborate on how Messi differs from some of the modern greats when it comes to the formula.

"We see a trade-off with most football players: either they make a lot of actions with a less high value - that's the case with Paul Pogba, for example," he said.

"Or you have players who are less likely to hit the ball, but who have a big impact. That is typical of strikers like Harry Kane, Mohamed Salah and Ronaldo.

"Messi is exceptional in this area: the Argentinian has a very high number of actions and they also have a high value."

So there you go. Case closed.

That all depends on whether or not you like the answer.

Source:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/supercomputer-determines-who-better-between-18969139.amp

Can't this super computer come up with better news like accurate determination of match results n change guys life a bit with bet9ja?, this Messi/Ronaldo rivalry issue to me as long as Messi fails to prove himself else where I will continue to don't his GOAT claims,my reasons are that environment n how comfortable someone feels can greatly influence performance.Ronaldinho,rivaldo n deco were great in Barcelona but fail to reproduce same level outside of Barcelona.ronaldo has proven himself in different environment even under has conditions n negative press, some people might say Ronaldo should have gone to average teams but which great player has ever done so at the peak of their performance besides no one is even asking Messi to move to Charlton athletic to prove himself but just another team, Barcelona n her fans knew without Messi they would certainly be in trouble hence their line of argument that Messi don't need to go elsewhere to prove anything,Messi doesn't reproduce his Barcelona firm in the national team unlike Ronaldo but his supporters will quickly list how many finals he has helped Argentina to n the individual awards he wins in tournament but the question is if Barcelona hadn't won anything despite Messi's brilliant individual performance would they agree that he is the GOAT?,guardiola, Mourinho,Johan cryuff,del Bosque are among the greatest coaches of all time has any if them ever moved from a big team to the average ones to prove themselves?,so for me based on this,as long as Messi remains within the comfort of Barcelona I would not consider him to be the GOAT,I know from my little experience what working under different settings no matter how great they all may be means, nobody should talk about probability or assumption please because until proven they remain what they are only.

Natoski5:
Pure bullshit!!! ....waytin concern supercomputer with footballers rating...
You people should stop been sentimental..

Messi is been feed with world class player in barcelona, cr7 is a lone warrior .

As he day play for him country waytin u see?

Make he leave barca weda he go still get mouth.

Talking about achievement? Cr7 has it more..so what else?

Messi is good, buh cr7 is better!!..

and cr7 has been playing in Enyimba right?

Deepthoughts:
Can't this super computer come up with better news like accurate determination of match results n change guys life a bit with bet9ja?, this Messi/Ronaldo rivalry issue to me as long as Messi fails to prove himself else where I will continue to don't his GOAT claims,my reasons are that environment n how comfortable someone feels can greatly influence performance.Ronaldinho,rivaldo n deco were great in Barcelona but fail to reproduce same level outside of Barcelona.ronaldo has proven himself in different environment even under has conditions n negative press, some people might say Ronaldo should have gone to average teams but which great player has ever done so at the peak of their performance besides no one is even asking Messi to move to Charlton athletic to prove himself but just another team, Barcelona n her fans knew without Messi they would certainly be in trouble hence their line of argument that Messi don't need to go elsewhere to prove anything,Messi doesn't reproduce his Barcelona firm in the national team unlike Ronaldo but his supporters will quickly list how many finals he has helped Argentina to n the individual awards he wins in tournament but the question is if Barcelona hadn't won anything despite Messi's brilliant individual performance would they agree that he is the GOAT?,guardiola, Mourinho,Johan cryuff,del Bosque are among the greatest coaches of all time has any if them ever moved from a big team to the average ones to prove themselves?,so for me based on this,as long as Messi remains within the comfort of Barcelona I would not consider him to be the GOAT,I know from my little experience what working under different settings no matter how great they all may be means, nobody should talk about probability or assumption please because until proven they remain what they are only.

your argument is just on the wrong track..... Everybody keeps shouting prove himself in another team...... someone that has probably had more changes meted to him in Barca and Argentina than Cr7 in his entire career in case you don't know the Xavi and Iniesta you all claimed gave him success have left and he has had to play as Iniesta, Xavi and Messi..... with players most of which will be on man city's bench

Your argument should be let us see how Cr7 will perform when he has to be both provider and scorer and not just setting up shop in front of the goalkeeper waiting for magnanimous team mates to help boost his ego

ashacot:


smile, Those are great footballers but we are talking about the greats of greats. Sometimes you see people saying Iniester is a better player than pirlo. You see them say Xavi is a better player than pirlo. some will say modric is better than seedoff. Another one will say hazard is better than Figo. lol. These generation of players are good, but the last generation is miles ahead of them. All we see these days is people using stat to judge footballers not real quality football anymore. That is why you will see someone say C ronaldo is a better player than Ronaldo Delinma or Messi is a better player than Zidane or Lampard is a better player than Pirlo or Xavi is a better player than Micheal balack. You may even see someone say neymah is better than dennis bergkamp.

off point....Xavi is a better player than pirlo.....Messi is a better player than Zidane.....then you say balkack and xavi? Did you watch Xavi at all

So people actually need a computer before they know that Lionel is miles ahead

Natoski5:
Pure bullshit!!! ....waytin concern supercomputer with footballers rating...
You people should stop been sentimental..

Messi is been feed with world class player in barcelona, cr7 is a lone warrior .

As he day play for him country waytin u see?

Make he leave barca weda he go still get mouth.

Talking about achievement? Cr7 has it more..so what else?

Messi is good, buh cr7 is better!!..

Obviously you do not know a lot about football and skills. Scoring goals does not make one a fantastic player. The best football coaches have repeated time and again that Messi is better. Their close observation of the two gave us the information. Those who have eyes for good footballers and great skills have seen it. Ronaldo is not even as good as Eden Hazard, how much more Messi. Luck and hard work have played great parts in his career. Arsene Wenger told us on several occasions that aside from playing to score, players and teams must entertain the fans who pay so much money and that is what Messi does. Ronaldo only plays to score and win. Ronaldo goes to teams where he meets established player and coaches. He takes advantage, center stage and wins. It does not matter if he goes from team to team, country to country and Messi remains in the same team. Loyalty kept Messi in Barcelona. Money propels Ronaldo to leave. Messi is miles ahead bro.

Khaleell001:


I wouldn't have argued but your argument is stale?

Where did Ronaldo start his football from?
Even when C.Ronaldo joined already established clubs his work ethic proved to be the turning point in every Club he laced his boots for.
A clear example is Man Utd and R. Madrid .
They are yet to recover from losing C. Ronaldo because he always leaves a marker in any club he plays for.

No doubt Messi is great footballer,but I find it difficult to concede that he is better than C. Ronaldo based on well known football metrics not because people say some coaches or football legends say so.
I respect these coaches and players but I don't really agree with their judgement.
The greatness of a thing it is replication anywhere you take it and so far, no player in thus league has done it better than C. Boy.

If anyone would convince me about the greatness of Messi over C. Ronaldo in this generation, it should be Messi himself
Let him leave Barca and try his prowess elsewhere then I will personally argue his case, but until then C. Ronaldo remains arguably the best player of this current era.
You can take that to the bank.

PS:I am not a C.Ronaldo fan, but I speak based on my own method.
I personally prefer Messi in my team than C. Ronaldo but facts are sacred.

9 years in Spain, how many times was he the best player?

You people think being the best is about staying in front of the post and waiting for team mates..... people like zidane Maradona Ronaldinho and Ronaldo wouldn't have had a say then

Ronaldo is the best European in history while Messi is the Overall best in history.
Ronaldo has not won anything outside Europe.
Messi has won Olympic gold medal
Messi has won FIFA U20 trophy
Messi has played FIFA world cup final and won the Golden Ball.
Stats don't lie

Deepthoughts:
Can't this super computer come up with better news like accurate determination of match results n change guys life a bit with bet9ja?, this Messi/Ronaldo rivalry issue to me as long as Messi fails to prove himself else where I will continue to don't his GOAT claims,my reasons are that environment n how comfortable someone feels can greatly influence performance.Ronaldinho,rivaldo n deco were great in Barcelona but fail to reproduce same level outside of Barcelona.ronaldo has proven himself in different environment even under has conditions n negative press, some people might say Ronaldo should have gone to average teams but which great player has ever done so at the peak of their performance besides no one is even asking Messi to move to Charlton athletic to prove himself but just another team, Barcelona n her fans knew without Messi they would certainly be in trouble hence their line of argument that Messi don't need to go elsewhere to prove anything,Messi doesn't reproduce his Barcelona firm in the national team unlike Ronaldo but his supporters will quickly list how many finals he has helped Argentina to n the individual awards he wins in tournament but the question is if Barcelona hadn't won anything despite Messi's brilliant individual performance would they agree that he is the GOAT?,guardiola, Mourinho,Johan cryuff,del Bosque are among the greatest coaches of all time has any if them ever moved from a big team to the average ones to prove themselves?,so for me based on this,as long as Messi remains within the comfort of Barcelona I would not consider him to be the GOAT,I know from my little experience what working under different settings no matter how great they all may be means, nobody should talk about probability or assumption please because until proven they remain what they are only.

And Ronaldo had to go from established teams to established teams to prove himself abi?

Greatgreatest:
Ronaldo is better than Messi period, I love Ronaldo type of game, I don't enjoy one two pass type of game, I love the outside eighteen yards shot not Messi placing, I love Ronaldo fox in the box movement, the high jump header, the anticipation of pass, the step over, the quick feet. His motivation in hard matches, scoring hat trick with few touches.his leadership qualities, charisma, Ronaldo is an embodiment of class and professionalism, he is an enigma to the sport. His contribution to the round leather game is non describable. Someone that made people forgot that there was A certain Ronaldo who played for Brazil, Manchester United legend, real Madrid legend, Portuguese Legend, trying to be Juventus legend, Messi is only a Barcelona legend.

go and check your stats of how many outside the 18 yard box cr7 has.....

All this jsut for messi to win the ballon d or

Khaleell001:


Then your reason for comparison holds no water.

I agree he is the greatest Barcelona player ever.Even better than Yohan Cruff,but outside that, Ronald is arguably more than his match.

leaving Barcelona to prove you are the best sounds like something only cr7 will do none of the greats ever did..... when you try to employ petty means to prove you better than someone.....and that is why he blows that aspect in his interviews.... " I played in different countries"

While Messi doesn't care about who cr7 is

Case in point watch the Barca vs Madrid match that Messi pulled off his shirt.....see cr7 reaction anytime Messi scored and his reaction when someone else scored for Barca

You will see a man haunted by the realisation that no matter how hard he tries, no matter where he goes.....he won't be as good as the mercurial Argentine

Khaleell001:


Youth level success?

And because he couldn't stomach losing over and over again in South America your GOAT was banned for mouthing off trash against is Football federation.

youth level success. As if ronaldo won any of it

Onlyonebuhari:

Can Osasuna afford his pay? Just think before u write pls. When he left ready made Madrid, they were trophiless and lost almost half of their fans since 9 years ago. Just a week after Ronaldo joined juventus, they sold jerseys that they haven't sell in two years.
If he join ready made clubs what of his country? Tell me what Messi have done for his country and ask Google about Ronaldo. I like Messi but you people aren't helping him seen his kid scorned him

and what hasn't Messi done for his country? Go and check his stats for country

Ronaldo wasn't the best player in either of the competitions his country won

Natoski5:
Pure bullshit!!! ....waytin concern supercomputer with footballers rating...
You people should stop been sentimental..

Messi is been feed with world class player in barcelona, cr7 is a lone warrior .

As he day play for him country waytin u see?

Make he leave barca weda he go still get mouth.

Talking about achievement? Cr7 has it more..so what else?

Messi is good, buh cr7 is better!!..

No mind them. Computer is garbage in garbage out; it's what you input that you get as output.

Programming is all about human input.

Let ask them whether a computer can build and programme itself all by itself

Their yeye dey smell.

Mentorkaryhm:
A real king doesn't control one jungle. Show me a great player that played only in one league. You can mention skills, dribbles and scoring abilities, but don't let all these be synonymous to a particular environment.
Using every parts of the body in goal scoring is also a factor to considered.
Right legs
Left legs
Head.

Gerard was not a great player?