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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kimbeast: 11:22am On Aug 22, 2019 |
Segedinho:PFA shows Kante was one time the best player in his career where as lampard and scholes where never once in their EPL lifetime The quality of a player is not determined by winning the PFA Award. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segedinho(m): 11:24am On Aug 22, 2019 |
Kimbeast:Exactly my point U can't categorically say A is better than B using just the accolades he won in just 1 season. . |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 11:25am On Aug 22, 2019 |
Kimbeast:Can you now tell us the import of PFA Award, since you know better than its organizers and millions of voters? The pedigree of accolades earned by a footballer, , which is PFA Award in this case, is a key factor for determining the quality of the player. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by biomustry: 11:26am On Aug 22, 2019 |
Na wa o, I've been reading hazard matter for pages, even as d guy comot leave una, mek u kno sey Ronaldo don do jazz for hm number 7, na so hazard go turn to dembele ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Swissh: 11:28am On Aug 22, 2019 |
Segedinho:Then when discussing who is better between Kdb and hazard winning the PFA award is [/b]IRRELEVANT[b] |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segedinho(m): 11:28am On Aug 22, 2019 |
gensteejay:in a given season?Yes Over a period of 7 years? ?No U can win it in a given season and go into "sunken place" 4 d rest of ur life. .... U cant say vardy is better than aguero...can u ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 11:31am On Aug 22, 2019 |
Segedinho:Ok. But that does not mean KDB is a better player than Hazard, overall. Comparing their careers over the years, Hazard is clearly the better and more accomplished player. I don't doubt KDB's remarkable vision, though. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segedinho(m): 11:34am On Aug 22, 2019 |
Swissh:not 100% irrelevant. ..cos it measures how he was better than him in thathe season. Let assume we are talking abt 7 season. .one season is off 4 hazard irrespective of how many assistsKDB had.. Was hazard a shadow of himself the following years ![]() He kept the momentum but the players signed alongside to play wt him played him down obviously In NT. .who is obviously better ![]() When they played in thesame Chelsea under the same coach. What happened? ? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segedinho(m): 11:35am On Aug 22, 2019 |
gensteejay:Obviously. ..Hazard is better Dan KDB. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kimbeast: 11:38am On Aug 22, 2019 |
gensteejay:Ok let me ask you a question between a one season wonder who won the award once then became useless and another player was consistent for 6 to 7 years but never won the award who is better? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Swissh: 11:46am On Aug 22, 2019 |
Segedinho:The year hazard won PFA Kdb was not in the league so your first part is dead. Someone posted their various stats since kdb came to England and he has contributed more goals + assist each season than hazard during that time frame so how is hazard better? I keep seeing this rubbish. How many matches did kdb play for Chelsea and are you forgetting he was an academy player I may be wrong while hazard was bought for big cash so who did you expect the club to use more especially a coach like Mourinho. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 11:46am On Aug 22, 2019 |
Kimbeast:Hazard was a one-season wonder and was useless for 6–7 years? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 11:49am On Aug 22, 2019 |
Swissh:You obviously only watched a handful of matches of the Mourinho-led Chelsea side when Hazard and KDB were team mates. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kimbeast: 11:50am On Aug 22, 2019 |
gensteejay:You saw hazard in my question? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 11:51am On Aug 22, 2019 |
Kimbeast:This debate is centered on Hazard and KDB. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Swissh: 11:56am On Aug 22, 2019 |
gensteejay:Very Hilarious shey it's the 3 league matches that Kdb played before he was sold to Wolfsburg ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 12:01pm On Aug 22, 2019 |
Swissh:So, a player that played only 3 matches in Chelsea from 2012–2014, spent the larger part of his stint in the club on the bench is better than Hazard, who was above him in the pecking order and left Chelsea a legend? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pamcode(m): 12:02pm On Aug 22, 2019 |
nihilistjnr:I stand to be corrected but I believe when Aguero joined City they were third best behind United and Chelsea and had not won the title in like 50yrs that is not so different from Tottenham position now yet he won two premier leagues and finished as top scorer all before Guardiola. In terms of Injury Aguero has suffered more 5 out of 8 seasons in EPL he has missed 7 or more games, the season Kane won his first Golden boot Aguero missed 8games yet still finished just one goal behind, last season the same case 5 games missed yet one goal behind. In spite of Injury Aguero has been a top performer and would have gotten the PFA. It just hit me that Kane himself has never won the PFA so maybe we should just agree to disagree. 6 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 12:05pm On Aug 22, 2019 |
Greatihex: You know it's one rule for defenders and another rule for attacking players. If attacking player pop 40 goals, nothing a defensive player can do to wrestle it from him. For defensive player to win, it's either no attacker performed outstandingly or defensive player broke some records eg in 2005, Chelsea broke record for least goals conceded with just 13, so they must consider Terry. Same with VVD. No attacker punched above 30 goals plus Liverpool clean sheets was approaching historic levels Kante win in 2017 is confirmatory that he was the driving force of Leicester win the prior year. If attacker had popped 40 goals that season, they would still take it from him. But that award was reward for 2 years work in a way. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 12:08pm On Aug 22, 2019 |
U guyz should put respect on agueros name abeg. . Only 5 players in the history of elp has more goals than him. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 12:12pm On Aug 22, 2019 |
pamcode: These are all excuses. Liverpool were not the best team in the country when Suarez and Salah won PFA. City has consistently been arguably the best team in England for the last 5 or 6 seasons now. If you say Aguero must win POTY of the year, then you need to stop making excuses and start making a case for him
So if Kane playing for an inferior team has outscored Aguero on two occasions and not won PFA, then what is your own case for Aguero? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Swissh: 12:14pm On Aug 22, 2019 |
gensteejay:Now it's obvious you don't know anything and you call yourself a Chelsea fan ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 12:17pm On Aug 22, 2019 |
pamcode: Aguero is in comfort zone. He is happy to pop 20+ goals per season and not push himself to the 30+ which some players of similar talent like RVP, Suarez and Salah have done. If Aguero keep maintaining 20+, that brings midfielders like Sterling and KDB into contention with him, and they will pip him to the award. He needs to punch cleanly above 30 goals to be sure. The way I'm seeing Sterling, with all the Goodwill he has built with his anti-racism campaign, he will sweep all the black votes at the next awards. If he pop 20 and no one else pop above 30, he should win. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 12:18pm On Aug 22, 2019 |
Swissh:Ode, apart from getting benched by better players and injury, what could make a player feature only in 3 matches between 2012 and 2014? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 12:22pm On Aug 22, 2019 |
Kimbeast:mind you, yaya didn't even come second, hazard did |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 12:23pm On Aug 22, 2019 |
Ibime:i no gree for salah own. That one na big lie. KDB had a very strong case for that award and the vote showed it. Why did you not add that of Kante? Is it because he is not a player that scores goals? Did Kante not have a trully world class season? You are spoiling football with your logic o. To you the best players are only those who score goals |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 12:24pm On Aug 22, 2019 |
Ibime: To be fair to him, it's not like Aguero doesn't try - but injuries have nearly finished him. He has had to adapt his game to avoid ending up like Sturridge. But that one no consign anybody during award season. If you can't stay fit enough to compete with the other killers in the room, then it's a shame, but the game ain't based on sympathy. You either stay fit and compete, or go downstairs where they are contesting PFA invalid of the year 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kimbeast: 12:26pm On Aug 22, 2019 |
Greatihex:I doubt that |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 12:27pm On Aug 22, 2019 |
airmark:sanchez had a case though |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 12:36pm On Aug 22, 2019 |
Ibime:i keep saying it. The problem you are having is the criteria that you use to rate a player's performance. Even hazard knows that his 2014/2015 is the best in his career. Nigga was covering every part of the pitch. From defence to midfield to attack. Was much consistent in performance. The players that voted knew better 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 12:45pm On Aug 22, 2019 |
Greatihex: Hazard was in ghost mode till January. Costa and Fabregas established a lead, then he took over from February. He can't say that's his best season for half a season work. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 1:01pm On Aug 22, 2019 |
afrodoc2:Zidane has already said that bale is staying nah |
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