Segedinho:

PFA defines ur importance in a given season
KDB could be better than Hazard in a given season but kante better than everyone in same season n the accolades given to him.

PFA shows hazard was one time the best player in his career whereas KDB hasn't in its EPL lifetime.

Debating a better player is not tied to PFA alone...

PFA shows Kante was one time the best player in his career where as lampard and scholes where never once in their EPL lifetime

The quality of a player is not determined by winning the PFA Award.

Kimbeast:

PFA shows Kante was one time the best player in his career where as lampard and scholes where never once in their EPL lifetime

The quality of a player is not determined by winning the PFA Award.

Exactly my point

U can't categorically say A is better than B using just the accolades he won in just 1 season. .

Kimbeast:

PFA shows Kante was one time the best player in his career where as lampard and scholes where never once in their EPL lifetime

The quality of a player is not determined by winning the PFA Award.

Can you now tell us the import of PFA Award, since you know better than its organizers and millions of voters?

The pedigree of accolades earned by a footballer, , which is PFA Award in this case, is a key factor for determining the quality of the player.

Na wa o, I've been reading hazard matter for pages, even as d guy comot leave una, mek u kno sey Ronaldo don do jazz for hm number 7, na so hazard go turn to dembele

Segedinho:
Exactly my point

U can't categorically say A is better than B using just the accolades he won in just 1 season. .

Then when discussing who is better between Kdb and hazard winning the PFA award is [/b]IRRELEVANT[b]

gensteejay:

Can you now tell us the import of PFA Award, since you know better than its organizers and millions of voters?

The pedigree of accolades earned by a footballer, , which is PFA Award in this case, is a key factor for determining the quality of the player.

in a given season?Yes
Over a period of 7 years? ?No

U can win it in a given season and go into "sunken place" 4 d rest of ur life. ....

U cant say vardy is better than aguero...can u

Segedinho:
in a given season?Yes
Over a period of 7 years? ?No

U can win it in a given season and go into "sunken place" 4 d rest of ur life. ....

U cant say vardy is better than aguero...can u

Ok. But that does not mean KDB is a better player than Hazard, overall.

Comparing their careers over the years, Hazard is clearly the better and more accomplished player.

I don't doubt KDB's remarkable vision, though.

Swissh:

Then when discussing who is better between Kdb and hazard winning the PFA award is [/b]IRRELEVANT[b]

not 100% irrelevant. ..cos it measures how he was better than him in thathe season.

Let assume we are talking abt 7 season. .one season is off 4 hazard irrespective of how many assistsKDB had..

Was hazard a shadow of himself the following yearsNo

He kept the momentum but the players signed alongside to play wt him played him down obviously

In NT. .who is obviously better

When they played in thesame Chelsea under the same coach. What happened? ?

gensteejay:

Ok. But that does not mean KDB is a better player than Hazard, overall.

Comparing their careers over the years, Hazard is clearly the better and more accomplished player.

I don't doubt KDB's remarkable vision, though.

Obviously. ..Hazard is better Dan KDB.

gensteejay:

Can you now tell us the import of PFA Award, since you know better than its organizers and millions of voters?

The pedigree of accolades earned by a footballer, , which is PFA Award in this case, is a key factor for determining the quality of the player.

Ok let me ask you a question between a one season wonder who won the award once then became useless and another player was consistent for 6 to 7 years but never won the award who is better?

Segedinho:
not 100% irrelevant. ..cos it measures how he was better than him in thathe season.

Let assume we are talking abt 7 season. .one season is off 4 hazard irrespective of how many assistsKDB had..

Was hazard a shadow of himself the following yearsNo

He kept the momentum but the players signed alongside to play wt him played him down obviously

In NT. .who is obviously better

[/b]When they played in thesame Chelsea under the same coach. What happened? ?[b]

The year hazard won PFA Kdb was not in the league so your first part is dead.

Someone posted their various stats since kdb came to England and he has contributed more goals + assist each season than hazard during that time frame so how is hazard better?


I keep seeing this rubbish. How many matches did kdb play for Chelsea and are you forgetting he was an academy player I may be wrong while hazard was bought for big cash so who did you expect the club to use more especially a coach like Mourinho.

Kimbeast:

Ok let me ask you a question between a one season wonder who won the award once then became useless and another player was consistent for 6 to 7 years but never won the award who is better?

Hazard was a one-season wonder and was useless for 6–7 years?

Swissh:

The year hazard won PFA Kdb was not in the league so your first part is dead.

Someone posted their various stats since kdb came to England and he has contributed more goals + assist each season than hazard during that time frame so how is hazard better?


I keep seeing this rubbish. How many matches did kdb play for Chelsea and are you forgetting he was an academy player I may be wrong while hazard was bought for big cash so who did you expect the club to use more especially a coach like Mourinho.

You obviously only watched a handful of matches of the Mourinho-led Chelsea side when Hazard and KDB were team mates.

gensteejay:

Hazard was a one-season wonder and was useless for 6–7 years?

You saw hazard in my question?

Kimbeast:

You saw hazard in my question?

This debate is centered on Hazard and KDB.

gensteejay:

You obviously only watched a handful of matches of the Mourinho-led Chelsea side when Hazard and KDB were team mates.

Very Hilarious shey it's the 3 league matches that Kdb played before he was sold to Wolfsburg

Swissh:

Very Hilarious shey it's the 3 league matches that Kdb played before he was sold to Wolfsburg

So, a player that played only 3 matches in Chelsea from 2012–2014, spent the larger part of his stint in the club on the bench is better than Hazard, who was above him in the pecking order and left Chelsea a legend?

nihilistjnr:


Kane has won 'just' two despite playing in a far inferior team to Aguero.

It was on this thread that someone posted xA and big chances stats, and we saw that Aguero has been playing with the league's best creators.

If you want an award that says you're the best - you have to BE the best.

You can't say Aguero deserves Poty award, and then start giving excuses why he's only been the top striker once in 8 years.

Kane dey carry 2 months injury, doesn't score in August, plays with inferior teammates, and still outscored Aguero...he doesn't have two heads.

I stand to be corrected but I believe when Aguero joined City they were third best behind United and Chelsea and had not won the title in like 50yrs that is not so different from Tottenham position now yet he won two premier leagues and finished as top scorer all before Guardiola. In terms of Injury Aguero has suffered more 5 out of 8 seasons in EPL he has missed 7 or more games, the season Kane won his first Golden boot Aguero missed 8games yet still finished just one goal behind, last season the same case 5 games missed yet one goal behind. In spite of Injury Aguero has been a top performer and would have gotten the PFA.


It just hit me that Kane himself has never won the PFA so maybe we should just agree to disagree.

Greatihex:
i no gree for salah own. That one na big lie.
KDB had a very strong case for that award and the vote showed it.


Why did you not add that of Kante? Is it because he is not a player that scores goals?
Did Kante not have a trully world class season?

You are spoiling football with your logic o.
To you the best players are only those who score goals

You know it's one rule for defenders and another rule for attacking players. If attacking player pop 40 goals, nothing a defensive player can do to wrestle it from him.

For defensive player to win, it's either no attacker performed outstandingly or defensive player broke some records eg in 2005, Chelsea broke record for least goals conceded with just 13, so they must consider Terry. Same with VVD. No attacker punched above 30 goals plus Liverpool clean sheets was approaching historic levels

Kante win in 2017 is confirmatory that he was the driving force of Leicester win the prior year. If attacker had popped 40 goals that season, they would still take it from him. But that award was reward for 2 years work in a way.

U guyz should put respect on agueros name abeg.
.
Only 5 players in the history of elp has more goals than him.

pamcode:
I stand to be corrected but I believe when Aguero joined City they were third best behind United and Chelsea and had not won the title in like 50yrs that is not so different from Tottenham position now yet he won two premier leagues and finished as top scorer all before Guardiola. In terms of Injury Aguero has suffered more 5 out of 8 seasons in EPL he has missed 7 or more games, the season Kane won his first Golden boot Aguero missed 8games yet still finished just one goal behind, last season the same case 5 games missed yet one goal behind. In spite of Injury Aguero has been a top performer and would have gotten the PFA.

These are all excuses.

Liverpool were not the best team in the country when Suarez and Salah won PFA.

City has consistently been arguably the best team in England for the last 5 or 6 seasons now.

If you say Aguero must win POTY of the year, then you need to stop making excuses and start making a case for him

It just hit me that Kane himself has never won the PFA so maybe we should just agree to disagree.

So if Kane playing for an inferior team has outscored Aguero on two occasions and not won PFA, then what is your own case for Aguero?

gensteejay:

So, a player that played only 3 matches in Chelsea from 2012–2014, spent the larger part of his stint in the club on the bench is better than Hazard, who was above him in the pecking order and left Chelsea a legend?

Now it's obvious you don't know anything and you call yourself a Chelsea fan

pamcode:
I stand to be corrected but I believe when Aguero joined City they were third best behind United and Chelsea and had not won the title in like 50yrs that is not so different from Tottenham position now yet he won two premier leagues and finished as top scorer all before Guardiola. In terms of Injury Aguero has suffered more 5 out of 8 seasons in EPL he has missed 7 or more games, the season Kane won his first Golden boot Aguero missed 8games yet still finished just one goal behind, last season the same case 5 games missed yet one goal behind. In spite of Injury Aguero has been a top performer and would have gotten the PFA.


It just hit me that Kane himself has never won the PFA so maybe we should just agree to disagree.

Aguero is in comfort zone. He is happy to pop 20+ goals per season and not push himself to the 30+ which some players of similar talent like RVP, Suarez and Salah have done. If Aguero keep maintaining 20+, that brings midfielders like Sterling and KDB into contention with him, and they will pip him to the award. He needs to punch cleanly above 30 goals to be sure.

The way I'm seeing Sterling, with all the Goodwill he has built with his anti-racism campaign, he will sweep all the black votes at the next awards. If he pop 20 and no one else pop above 30, he should win.

Swissh:

Now it's obvious you don't know anything and you call yourself a Chelsea fan

Ode, apart from getting benched by better players and injury, what could make a player feature only in 3 matches between 2012 and 2014?

Kimbeast:

Aren't you under estimating Yaya toure season when talking about Suarez being undisputed? Dont you think 20league goals from midfield is pfa worthy.

mind you, yaya didn't even come second, hazard did

Ibime:
Surprised to read here that Vardy won PFA PPOTY award. Vardy never won it, Mahrez did. It could equally have gone to Kante or Vardy and not many would argue.

PFA is often a toss up between 3 or 4 players, usually from the Champions and any of them could win it.

In all my time watching English football, the only undisputed PFA winners are Henry, Ronaldo, Bale, RVP, Suarez and Salah. These are guys who won it "hands down" with World Class seasons. Every other win has been debatable. Winning PFA is not a differentiator when comparing players except for the names above.

i no gree for salah own. That one na big lie.
KDB had a very strong case for that award and the vote showed it.


Why did you not add that of Kante? Is it because he is not a player that scores goals?
Did Kante not have a trully world class season?

You are spoiling football with your logic o.
To you the best players are only those who score goals

Ibime:


Aguero is in comfort zone. He is happy to pop 20+ goals per season and not push himself to the 30+ which some players of similar talent like RVP, Suarez and Salah have done. If Aguero keep maintaining 20+, that brings midfielders like Sterling and KDB into contention with him, and they will pip him to the award. He needs to punch cleanly above 30 goals to be sure.

The way I'm seeing Sterling, with all the Goodwill he has built with his anti-racism campaign, he will sweep all the black votes at the next awards. If he pop 20 and no one else pop above 30, he should win.

To be fair to him, it's not like Aguero doesn't try - but injuries have nearly finished him.

He has had to adapt his game to avoid ending up like Sturridge.

But that one no consign anybody during award season.

If you can't stay fit enough to compete with the other killers in the room, then it's a shame, but the game ain't based on sympathy.

You either stay fit and compete, or go downstairs where they are contesting PFA invalid of the year

Greatihex:
mind you, yaya didn't even come second, hazard did

I doubt that

airmark:


2014/2015, Hazard was 100% the best in the league. Only haters would debate it.

sanchez had a case though

Ibime:


Sharrap. That's one of the weakest PFA win since Ryan Giggs in 2009. They only gave it to a member of the Championship.team cos there was no undeniable performance in.EPL that year. They could also have given Costa without much debate. On individual performance, Alexis and Harry Kane could argue they deserve it.

When you talk of extraordinary performance, you talk of Henry, Ronaldo, Bale, RVP, Suarez, Salah, that's it.

Any other winner is due to team success or other factors like lack of outstanding candidate. Hazard 18/19 season was far better than his 14/15 season for example and yielded no PFA.

i keep saying it. The problem you are having is the criteria that you use to rate a player's performance.

Even hazard knows that his 2014/2015 is the best in his career. Nigga was covering every part of the pitch. From defence to midfield to attack.

Was much consistent in performance. The players that voted knew better

Greatihex:
i keep saying it. The problem you are having is the criteria that you use to rate a player's performance.

Even hazard knows that his 2014/2015 is the best in his career. Nigga was covering every part of the pitch. From defence to midfield to attack.

Was much consistent in performance. The players that voted knew better

Hazard was in ghost mode till January. Costa and Fabregas established a lead, then he took over from February. He can't say that's his best season for half a season work.

afrodoc2:


Oooops, i did it again. LOL

In other news Real are offering PSG James Rodriguez, Gareth Bale, Keylor Navas PLUS 100m Euro in exchange for Neymar.
Apparently they urgently need someone to fill the LWF position and talismanic role vacated by Cristiano Ronaldo.

Zidane has already said that bale is staying nah