Ibime:



Hazard was in ghost mode till January . Costa and Fabregas established a lead, then he took over from February. He can't say that's his best season for half a season work.

this falsehood that you keep preaching here, one day i will have the time to debunk it.



Like i said earlier, your problem is the glass that you use to watch a player.

Ibime:



Hazard was in ghost mode till January . Costa and Fabregas established a lead, then he took over from February. He can't say that's his best season for half a season work.

this falsehood that you keep preaching here, one day i will have the time to debunk it.



Like i said earlier, your problem is the glass that you use to watch a player.


If a player does not score or assist; he had a bad game.


I wonder why you didn't come here to shut people up when they were saying that ndombele had a bad game in Tottenham's first game

Greatihex:
this falsehood that you keep preaching here, one day i will have the time to debunk it.



Like i said earlier, your problem is the glass that you use to watch a player.


If a player does not score or assist; he had a bad game.


I wonder why you didn't come here to shut people up when they were saying that ndombele had a bad game in Tottenham's first game

Attackers get rated on goals and assists whether you like it or not. Yes, you could have good games without goals and assists like Bernardo Silva, but that will not qualify you to claim best player when killers are talking.

Wetin concern me with Ndombele. Is he Chelsea player that I have to comment on his every game. From what I watched he had a poor game

Swissh:

What is wrong with you ? Salah had a freak season which will be enough to win the PFA award for every season for the last ten if not 15 season with only Suarez coming close and you are bringing up hazard. Dont let me remember when Sanchez was robbed by Kante .What exceptional season did hazard have that you are yarning dust up and down. Overtake ko supercede ni. By your logic Scholes and Lampard are inferior to Kante?

which sanchez did Kante rob?

You must be imagining things.
You should be saying that Kante robbed hazard, not one sanchez

Ibime:



Hazard win in 2014/15 is not undisputable on individual level no matter how much you try to make it seem so. It was a derivative of team success and the fact no other player had an undisputable season. Sanchez, Kane or Costa could have won it and nobody would cry murder.

Many players have had better seasons and not won PFA including Hazard in 18/19. It is not a hands down performance worthy of the hype you wish to ascribe to it.

You were here when people trolled him last season that how many goals did he score against the top 4 teams, which was a good point and i never took them on. That's to show you how you could get useless numbers like Sanchez that season and would lead you to no trophy.

How do your numbers push your team to win you trophies? What were the impacts of Hazards dribbles, key passes, chances created, assists, goals to the success of his team in 2014/2015 compared to Kane and Sanchez?

When both Hazard and Sanchez met, Hazard dominated and even won a pk which he converted. Sanchez was so poor, he was substituted.for Podolski. Sanchez choked in most big matches that season unlike Hazard, which was essential to our triumph.

Goal and assists stats are not the all in all. Aubameyang won golden boot last season, did he outperform those that didn't outscore him?

Mou said it in 2014/2015 that he was easily the best in the league and he wasn't wrong not mentioning Costa that season.

Greatihex:
i keep saying it. The problem you are having is the criteria that you use to rate a player's performance.

Even hazard knows that his 2014/2015 is the best in his career. Nigga was covering every part of the pitch. From defence to midfield to attack.

Was much consistent in performance. The players that voted knew better

100%

Ibime:


Attackers get rated on goals and assists whether you like it or not. Yes, you could have good games without goals and assists like Bernardo Silva, but that will not qualify you to claim best player when killers are talking.

Wetin concern me with Ndombele. Is he Chelsea player that I have to comment on his every game. From what I watched he had a poor game

what do you mean by what you watched? Are you sure you watched well.

Ndombele is the guy that scored the precious equalizing goal. Have you forgotten? Goals are the koko

Ibime:


Hazard was in ghost mode till January. Costa and Fabregas established a lead, then he took over from February. He can't say that's his best season for half a season work.

Hazard had 7 goals and 5 assists before January. In the whole season he had 14 goals and 10 assists, which means he had half of his total Goals+Assists for the season by December. How was that ghost mode, Mr. Ibime?

Swissh:

The year hazard won PFA Kdb was not in the league so your first part is dead.

Someone posted their various stats since kdb came to England and he has contributed more goals + assist each season than hazard during that time frame so how is hazard better?


I keep seeing this rubbish. How many matches did kdb play for Chelsea and are you forgetting he was an academy player I may be wrong while hazard was bought for big cash so who did you expect the club to use more especially a coach like Mourinho.

which KDB was an academy player? He was simply at the level of today's Mount Mason. Mason is playing only because there are no top players again.
KDB was a late bloomer. Let me just put it like that

Greatihex:
this falsehood that you keep preaching here, one day i will have the time to debunk it.



Like i said earlier, your problem is the glass that you use to watch a player.

If you debunk it, trust me sometime in 2022, he will still repeat the same line o. I had debunked it several times, but oga ibime wouldn't stop repeating the fallacious line.

Greatihex:
what do you mean by what you watched? Are you sure you watched well.

Ndombele is the guy that scored the precious equalizing goal. Have you forgotten? Goals are the koko

I'm talking of City game. Didn't watch Villa game.

airmark:


Hazard had 7 goals and 5 assists before January. In the whole season he had 14 goals and 10 assists, which means he had half of his total Goals+Assists for the season by December. How was that ghost mode, Mr. Ibime?

14 goals and 10 assists is ghostmode for an attacker who would be rated best in the league. It only looked significant in 2nd half of season cos Mourinho went into defensive lockdown mode so these paltry figures were enough to win games 1-0.

Ibime:


You know it's one rule for defenders and another rule for attacking players. If attacking player pop 40 goals, nothing a defensive player can do to wrestle it from him.

For defensive player to win, it's either no attacker performed outstandingly or defensive player broke some records eg in 2005, Chelsea broke record for least goals conceded with just[b] 15 [/b] so they must consider Terry. Same with VVD. No attacker punched above 30 goals plus Liverpool clean sheets was approaching historic levels

Kante win in 2017 is confirmatory that he was the driving force of Leicester win the prior year. If attacker had popped 40 goals that season, they would still take it from him. But that award was reward for 2 years work in a way.

which one is this 40 goals you keep mentioning anybody don ever reach 35 before talk more of 40?


Kane don knack 29 goals before for epl, nobody look em side. Kante won it. What is the difference between 29 and 31 that suarez scored?

Many of The voters don't just count goals before they vote, like you, that is why Kante and VVD won it.

All these things you are saying about an attacking doing this and that is because of the rubbish cr7 was doing just to keep up pace with Messi and he was able to appeal to the sentiments of the people who vote.
Thank God, things are beginning to change of recent and the hard workers in midfield and defence are beginning to get the recognition they deserve.

Not those times they just give awards to people who score tap ins up and down

Ibime:


14 goals and 10 assists is ghostmode for an attacker who would be rated best in the league. It only looked significant in 2nd half of season cos Mourinho went into defensive lockdown mode so these paltry figures were enough to win games 1-0.

Have you now shifted the ghost mode from before January, to the whole season now?

Like i will always tell you, rating a player is not just going to the chart, looking for goals and assists figures alone.

Hazard's contributions to our title that season, dwarfs any other player's. Stop finding reasons, where none exists bros.

Kimbeast:

I doubt that

you should be confirming, not doubting. Hazard was very outstanding for Chelsea that season. It was literally, no hazard, no chelsea. Hazard we had a half decent striker that season, we would have won the league and that would have been down to Mou and Hazard brilliance to an extent.

airmark:


Hazard had 7 goals and 5 assists before January. In the whole season he had 14 goals and 10 assists, which means he had half of his total Goals+Assists for the season by December. How was that ghost mode, Mr. Ibime?

ask him again

airmark:


If you debunk it, trust me sometime in 2022, he will still repeat the same line o. I had debunked it several times, but oga ibime wouldn't stop repeating the fallacious line.

i am beginning to notice that pattern

Greatihex:
which one is this 40 goals you keep mentioning anybody don ever reach 35 before talk more of 40?


Kane don knack 29 goals before for epl, nobody look em side. Kante won it. What is the difference between 29 and 31 that suarez scored?

Many of The voters don't just count goals before they vote, like you, that is why Kante and VVD won it.

All these things you are saying about an attacking doing this and that is because of the rubbish cr7 was doing just to keep up pace with Messi and he was able to appeal to the sentiments of the people who vote.
Thank God, things are beginning to change of recent and the hard workers in midfield and defence are beginning to get the recognition they deserve.

Not those times they just give awards to people who score tap ins up and down

Suarez took European Golden shoe from Messi and Ronaldo

Kane could feel aggrieved to lose to Kante. Kante beat him on team success and as reward for the prior season also. This is why I didn't include Kante in the list of undisputable awards.

You should be ashamed as a representative of an attacker like Hazard, and promoting hard workers in midfield and defence and trying to tie Hazard in with them. Is Hazard a hard worker in midfield and defence? Let him go and compete with his fellow attackers, he is busy borrow-posing with defenders and defensive midfielders.

If anyone should complain about attackers getting all the awards, it should be Kante, VVD and co, not Hazard.

Whether you like it or not, when they list the greatest players of all time, they will list Pele, Maradona, CR7, Messi, Cruyff, Di-Stefano etc before they get to hardworking defenders and midfielders. Same goes for awards. If those DMs and defenders were the best players, they should have trained to be attacking players from academy level but most weren't good enough.

If Hazard like, let him be pallying defenders instead of focussing on attacking returns like his fellow attackers.

airmark:


Have you now shifted the ghost mode from before January, to the whole season now?

Like i will always tell you, rating a player is not just going to the chart, looking for goals and assists figures alone.

Hazard's contributions to our title that season, dwarfs any other player's. Stop finding reasons, where none exists bros.

as in ehh. That goals and assists is just his problem

Ibime:


Suarez took European Golden shoe from Messi and Ronaldo

Kane could feel aggrieved to lose to Kante. Kante beat him on team success and for reward for the prior season also.

You should be ashamed as a representative of an attacker like Hazard, and promoting hard workers in midfield and defence and trying to tie Hazard in with them. Is Hazard a hard worker in midfield and defence? Let him go and compete with his fellow attackers, he is busy borrow-posing with defenders and defensive midfielders.

i am sorry if it seems like an insult, but you seem to forget a lot.
Suarez won the golden shoe with cr7.
Hazard should be the one feeling aggrieved for not winning the award, not Kane. Hazard was the one who came second to Kane.


If hazard was not working hard for Mourinho in midfield and defence, why would Mourinho bench hazard the following season just because he is not tracking back to help his leftback.


This is the kind of statement Mourinho was using for hazard during their time together.

"hazard cannot look at his leftback and live his life for him"
Imagine when that kind of statement is being made for an attacker that is still expected to take the goal scoring responsibility for the team.

Mourinho would also say,
"hazard should take responsibility"

Greatihex:
i am sorry if it seems like an insult, but you seem to forget a lot.
Suarez won the golden shoe with cr7.
Hazard should be the one feeling aggrieved for not winning the award, not Kane. Hazard was the one who came second to Kane.

Whatever your opinion on who deserves it, Kante win was not undisputable

Greatihex:

If hazard was not working hard for Mourinho in midfield and defence, why would Mourinho bench hazard the following season just because he is not tracking back to help his leftback.

Because Hazard came back fat and unfit and could not do the same things he did the season before physically

Greatihex:
i am sorry if it seems like an insult, but you seem to forget a lot.
Suarez won the golden shoe with cr7.
Hazard should be the one feeling aggrieved for not winning the award, not Kane. Hazard was the one who came second to Kane.


If hazard was not working hard for Mourinho in midfield and defence, why would Mourinho bench hazard the following season just because he is not tracking back to help his leftback.


This is the kind of statement Mourinho was using for hazard during their time together.

"hazard cannot look at his leftback and live his life for him"
Imagine when that kind of statement is being made for an attacker that is still expected to take the goal scoring responsibility for the team.

Mourinho would also say,
"hazard should take responsibility"

We have said it many times here: If Hazard was lucky to have played under an attack-minded coach like Pep some years ago, he would have been deadlier in attack and more successful by now.

We all saw his output under the chain-smoker when he had less defensive duties to expend energy on.

Also, look at how Pep transformed Sterling's game. Before joining City, Sterling used to run all about like a headless chicken — so many runs with so little end product.

But today, the story, Sterling's, is a lot different.

Hazard really tried to have put up such remarkable performances under most Chelsea's coaches in the past, who burdened him with attack and defense duties.

larride:


Show me the snide remarks I have being saying against you.


If telling you that sometimes you need to accept that you are wrong and move on (Which you don’t do by the way) is snide remarks, then sorry, I’m not sorry.

Check all your posts yesterday.

I would have used stronger words yesterday when you were talking about returning school fees, and not behaving like a learned or something. Don't think when push comes to shove, i cant get the job done with words.

Ibime:


Whatever your opinion on who deserves it, Kante win was not undisputable



Because Hazard came back fat and unfit and could not do the same things he did the season before physically

Mourinho stated his reason for benching hazard, and it was because he was no longer tracking back to help his leftback to defend, something that he did very well the previous season.


Salah's win is also very disputable and the votes show it.
KDB felt robbed

gensteejay:

We have said it many times here: If Hazard was lucky to have played under an attack-minded coach like Pep some years ago, he would have been deadlier in attack and more successful by now.

We all saw his output under the chain-smoker when he had less defensive duties to expend energy on.

Also, look at how Pep transformed Sterling's game. Before joining City, Sterling used to run all about like a headless chicken — so many runs with so little end product.

But today, the story, Sterling's, is a lot different.

Hazard really tried to have put up such remarkable performances under most Chelsea's coaches in the past, who burdened him with attack and defense duties.

They saw how Debruyne and Sallah couldn't survive, until they left Chelsea. But they would criticise the one that managed to pull strings under those constraints.

Greatihex:
which sanchez did Kante rob?

You must be imagining things.
You should be saying that Kante robbed hazard, not one sanchez

You literally don't know what you are saying. The only reason Hazard was nominated was because Chelsea won the league. Talking of performance for that season Sanchez who was carrying arsenal was miles ahead of hazard and Kante.

gensteejay:

We have said it many times here: If Hazard was lucky to have played under an attack-minded coach like Pep some years ago, he would have been deadlier in attack and more successful by now.

This is not true na. Hazard has already said what he will do even if he plays under pep, Alex Ferguson, Frank Rijkaad etc

In his words:

Hazard, 28, said: “When I watch the TV it says, ‘Eden Hazard scored this’. But I don’t really care.

“I just want to enjoy myself on the pitch and play good.

“The best example is with Belgium. I played my best game against Brazil and I didn’t score or make an assist.

I really don't understand most of u 'hazard confa' members ó. Person wey Una dey hold forth for talk say he ne like goals and assist, una talk say he go score and assist die under pep

Hazard is good at what he does, but what he does obviously doesn't include scoring goals and assisting like that na.

Swissh:

The year hazard won PFA Kdb was not in the league so your first part is dead.

Someone posted their various stats since kdb came to England and he has contributed more goals + assist each season than hazard during that time frame so how is hazard better?


I keep seeing this rubbish. How many matches did kdb play for Chelsea and are you forgetting he was an academy player I may be wrong while hazard was bought for big cash so who did you expect the club to use more especially a coach like Mourinho.

U are overestimating stats in judging players

Do u know that Zidane cannot lace lampard's boot wen it comes to stats

Do u know that iniesta is poo comparing to Gerald?

So stats doesn't really reflect ur effectiveness

Mustafi is/was better than maguire defensively using stats but does that speaks the truth? ??

Coaches loses players just to man-marked hazard when he is in the pitch.

Comparing KDB vs hazard is an insult bearing in mind that both played in the same NT...one was chased away 4m Chelsea 4 some obvious reason while the other became the best player 4 a good number of years ..

Swissh:

You literally don't know what you are saying. The only reason Hazard was nominated was because Chelsea won the league. Talking of performance for that season Sanchez who was carrying arsenal was miles ahead of hazard and Kante.

you are just a hazard hater who is pained because of what he did to your useless club for years


You want us to recognize sanchez that he "carried" your team, but you don't want to recognize hazard for "carrying" chelsea

BlueRayDick:


This is not true na. Hazard has already said what he will do even if he plays under pep, Alex Ferguson, Frank Rijkaad etc

In his words:

Hazard, 28, said: “When I watch the TV it says, ‘Eden Hazard scored this’. But I don’t really care.

“I just want to enjoy myself on the pitch and play good.

“The best example is with Belgium. I played my best game against Brazil and I didn’t score or make an assist.

I really don't understand most of u 'hazard confa' members ó. Person wey Una dey hold forth for talk say he ne like goals and assist, una talk say he go score and assist die under pep

Hazard is good at what he does, but what he does obviously doesn't include scoring goals and assisting like that na.

What matters is how he effectively changes the game..

He is selfless

He scores when the opportunity to score is high.

He assists when he needs to

His presence is always felt

His primary aims is to create chances,troubles the defense and create a winning atmosphere

Goals and assists are bonuses

He was not the highest goal/assists provider when he won the PFA

Check the difference between forwards and strikers.

Greatihex:
you are just a hazard hater who is pained because of what he did to your useless club for years


You want us to recognize sanchez that he "carried" your team, but you don't want to recognize hazard for "carrying" chelsea

Hazard carried Chelsea yet Diego costa was Chelsea top scorer while fabregas was topping assist chart for Chelsea and Kante was bossing the midfield compared to Sanchez who was arsenal top scorer 3rd overall in the league and assist provider carrying us single handedly. if you think Hazard was even on Sanchez level that season then you one biased Hazard fan. At least segedinho is objective

Segedinho:


What matters is how he effectively changes the game..

He is selfless

He scores when the opportunity to score is high.

He assists when he needs to

His presence is always felt

His primary aims is to create chances,troubles the defense and create a winning atmosphere

Goals and assists are bonuses

He was not the highest goal/assists provider when he won the PFA

Check the difference between forwards and strikers.

If he was "selfless" as you claim, you won't see ibime a staunch supporter of Chelsea that has watched him play live call him out everyday for shaku shaku style of play.

lol @ he scores when the opportunity to score is high . E get the way that thing sound for ear