blueAgent:



Still not making any sense.

malvisguy212:
let me repeat myself again. the bible teaching of the tri-unty of God is as a family RELATIONSHIP, the Father given authority to the son, this by no mean make the son a less God .in office, is the President Greater than you ? yes, but in nature is he BETTER than you ? NO.

in revelation 3:12 He is speaking as God and He is submitting to the WILL OF THE FATHER.

johnw47:




clearly the Son is not the Father, they are two persons who are the one God, john 1:1
God is a Spirit, so the only begotten Son is of that same spirit that is God

many scriptures show that Jesus is God, that Jesus is YHWH
if you are not aware of them ask and i will post some

Father and the Word are not two gods as polytheist false jw's believe, almighty god the father and mighty god jesus



Jesus' God is His Father, and His Father also called Jesus God

solite3:

You are right that Jesus is God by nature but not God the father that is what trinity teaches.
Trinity teaches that Jesus is God, the father is God and the holy spirit is God but not diferent Gods but one God.

johnw47:



Christ is not the same God of Himself, oh most confused one

hint, two persons, one God, as in john 1:1 and many other scriptures showing Jesus to be God

malvisguy212:
in Hebrew chapter one, it was God the father speaking here,
Now about the angels He says: “He makes
His angels winds, His servants flames of fire.”
8 But about the SON He says: “Your throne, O
GOD, endures forever and ever, and justice is
the scepter of Your kingdom.

who called the Jesus the son ? and what was the speaker called Him ? God!! does it mean that the speaker of that verse is leas God ?

Jesus is NEVER the father, He is the son. on His earthly ministry, the father is in Heaven ( the Lord's prayer prove it, " OUR FATHER WHO AT IN HEAVEN)

malvisguy212:
I ask a simple question. your son calling you father , does it make your son a less human ? Jesus calling God His Father does it make Him less God ?

what make us human , god ? the Bible make it clear that our origin BEGINS with God, but to the son, His origin is UNKNOWN , the bible address it as the ANCIENT OF DAYS.

blueAgent:


You need to attend English classes.

blueAgent:
Weather he was existing inside God or not the most important fact is that it was God that beget Jesus, it was God that fathered (mind my grammar)Jesus, it was God that gave Jesus life and his own existence.

solite3:
yes Jesus is not God the Father but God all the same.
Jesus has same capacity as the Father and the Holy Spirit but has a different role which I think is based on the personality of the trinity.
God the Father is the Authority of God
God the Son is the word, the one who makes enacts the decisions of God.
God the Holy Spirit is the one who brings it to pass.
All three are in agreement in every way.




The Father is greater than Jesus because Jesus himself was made even lower than the angels in its earthly life.


Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

solite3:
that means according to you they are different Gods right?

blueAgent:



I admire certain teachings and doctrines of Jehovah witness but am a not a member.
My faith or membership of any Church should not matter in this issue what should matter is weather what I have written is the truth or not

rosy1992:
Jesus Christ said I am in my father and my father is in me in John 14 : 11, this depicts the equality . Both the father and son are one.

Barristter07:


The Father also called humans GODS

Barristter07:
Jesus called his Father " My God ", can you show me where the Father called Jesus " My God " ?

Emusan:


If you understand it this way, then no need for the below question...

but Clarity sake...I'll address the question in short period.




Any Christian who says "The Father" (Note: I used Father here instead of God as you did) is the same PERSON as Jesus Christ vis-a-vis doesn't understand scripture well.



In the Old Testament, nobody talks about Son of God or the person of Holy Spirit as we do today simply because the New Testament writers shield more light about the co-existing and co-eternal of the Three which would have resulted to Polytheistic view if Trinity doctrine wasn't adopted.

Now, to your question:
But because of the redemption role Christ is still playing until fulfillment of the whole promises of God.

The Bible recorded some kind of revelation about the presence of the Father in heaven but the only person the Bible says we'll see is Jesus Christ till every process is complete and "God MAY BE ALL IN ALL" 1 Corinthian 15:28

Adam Clarke puts it this way "...then the son Son, as being man and Messiah, shall cease to exercise any distinct dominion and GOD BE ALL IN ALL: there remaining no longer any distinction in the PERSONS of the glorious TRINITY...."

This is one of the verses many people who argue against Trinity don't understand.

My humble submission!

johnw47:


lie lie™ barrister

so you think Father said: "Thy throne, a god, is for ever and ever"

typical false jw mumu brain

Heb_1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

oh duh, Jesus called Father my God and Father called Jesus O God
and there are plenty of scriptures to show that Jesus is God, that Jesus is YHWH
will i post them yet again?

simpleton

Barristter07:
I seriously do not understand where you are going with the bold, Going by your heresy that Christ isn't son of God before coming to earth, Would you then accept Christ was a Servant of God before coming to Earth?

Barristter07:


Where is " one God " written at John 1:1 ?

Barristter07:
One God, is spelled out as The Father - 1 Cor 8:6

Emusan:


The @underlined shows how brainwashed are you.

Christ was the ETERNAL WORD OF GOD, That ETERNAL LIFE before He came to earth as Son!

I've asked you to provide where it is said in the scripture that THE SON became FLESH....you haven't till now!

Barristter07:
Where is " one God " written at John 1:1 ?

One God, is spelled out as The Father - 1 Cor 8:6

Barristter07:
.
you finally admit humans are called GOD by the Father too.

Did the original writers differentiate small g and capital G ?



I said show me where The Father called Jesus MY God ?

johnw47:


lie lie™ barrister

so you think Father said: "Thy throne, a god, is for ever and ever"

typical false jw mumu brain

Heb_1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.




oh duh, Jesus called Father my God and Father called Jesus O God
and there are plenty of scriptures to show that Jesus is God, that Jesus is YHWH
will i post them yet again?

simpleton

Barristter07:
Erin e De n pami

Isaiah 42:1 who is the chosen Servant ?

Emusan:


The Messiah

Then provide where the servant or Son became FLESH....from the scripture.

It's evident that you people can't distinguish between those verses about pre-human Jesus and when he came to join human.

johnw47:



lie lie™ barrister

don't run away from things said, changing the subject


and answer the questions from other posts as well, weakie

Emusan:


Also One Lord is spelled out as Jesus Christ. , that means the Father isn't Lord too

Maximus69:

Jesus said "you're not to think too much about your own status, you're to humble yourself because these people DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'VE DOING" Luke 23:34

Barristter07:


Show me where the Father call Jesus " MY GOD " ?

Barristter07:


What about humans that possess Divine/Gods nature ? Are they GOD ?

Barristter07:


Matthew 24:36 is enough to render you a liar

Barristter07:


using the Trinity logic , one God knows the day and hour , others don't.

Barristter07:
Hehehe so Messiah is a servant . ( Take note of that when next you discuss Isaiah 9:6) bookmarked.

Who is the Messiah ? Was he in existence ?

He wasn't son abi, but angels are sons ... At least he was a servant right

Was he called a servant before coming to earth?

Barristter07:
One Lord as permitted by the Father.

Emusan:


Idiotic respond

Apostle Paul said "There is ONE LORD" which is Jesus Christ, then the Father isn't Lord according to your deluded mind...