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Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by fili24: 9:16pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
@adonainana This guy is a joker �. How many citizens earn £60k in UK. The average salary in the whole of UK is £28k before tax. Please be informed before spewing rubbish on a public forum 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by komodapson(m): 9:22pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
timesup234:hahaha...u harsh o....donkey dey dumb before, make person kon b "dumbest among fold" ...na wahala b that o 1 Like |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by oluayebenz: 9:22pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
Olominira: You have said it all God bless you 1 Like |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by adonainana: 9:24pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
ahiboilandgas: This are true problems indeed and sound more like a proper nuisance. My condolences that you are going through this. But this sort of things looks more temporary than permanent, You can change to doubled glazed windows to stop the noise from the neighbours ( if realistically it is possible) Your bore hole you sank is for life, you will pay Thames water monthly water bills from the moment you are born here in the UK till you die. You on the other side will never owe anyone water again in this your life time ever again. Fuel scarcity is always a once in a year occurrence. In the UK, you will never experience Fuel scarcity but a litre is 540 naira (£1.28), which would fuel the same type of car probably, going the same distance But like i have said throughout today, its not that you wont be making money to afford it, you surely would Just my opinion tho 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by timesup234: 9:27pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
Younghacka: https://www.nairaland.com/4144074/lies-nigerians-living-america 1 Like |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by timesup234: 9:33pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
MobilityExpress:Because you are a moronnn and will probably die a he-goat the truth might be right before your eyes and you will still be blind. You are worst than a middle eastern donkey, in short you are a camel https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/01/16/countries-with-the-fastest-growing-millionaire-billionaire-populations.html 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by adonainana: 9:33pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
SIRTee15: Bro im not entirely sure you know where you think Middle Class Nigerians are ( No matter how small they are ) I think we still need to respect them 1.5 million naira is not a lot of money because this is exactly what most Middle Class Nigerians earn. 1.5 million naira a month is not what Rich Nigerians earn, they earn far way more than that. To be on a £3000 a month salary in the UK, you are termed middle class, my argument is even if the pound is worth £1 to 1 million naira. Middle Class UK earners cannot afford and cannot be on the same level as Middle class Nigerians. Middle Class Nigerians are richer and are more comfortable than Middle Class Uk earners. This has nothing to do with currency as a starting point, it is has to do with how much you are left with at the end of the month. £3,000 monthly for a UK resident before he begins to deduct his life and household expenses is nothing, Trust me 1.5 million naira ( £3,000 per month for a Nigerian resident before he begins his life and household expenses is LOT LOT LOT infact way too much would be left for him Hope you understand what i am trying to say. 8 Likes |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by SIRTee15: 9:38pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
adonainana:I don't know where u get this info that Nigerians in uk can't afford to send 10 thousand naira... 30 pounds....that one na money... For your info, uk is the largest remittance source from abroad to naija.... Not USA, not Canada, not dubai... but uk.... In 2018, Nigerians in uk sent over 4 billion dollars to naija as remittance.... Does that look people that can't afford 10 thousand naira.... 6 Likes |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by timesup234: 9:39pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
Saintp:Make all this jobless Nigerians no go kill themselves for Nigeria matter oo. Talking trash everyday about kidnapping, boko haram, buhari, yahoo.. The kind of money people make in Nigeria can't be made in Europe or America. I visited Delta state for holiday and I am amazed at the investment made by individuals. Even some petty stores are doing great and people are smiling and enjoying life. The only people not smiling in this country are those who refuse to engage themselves in something meaningful and those who wish to travel abroad. These set of useless people can be found all over nairaland 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by ourema(f): 9:42pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
Olominira: Fantastic write up but you forgot to include the need to overhaul the 1999 constitution. That document is a fraud 1 Like |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by adonainana: 9:44pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
SIRTee15: So when the statistics said 4 billion dollars, did the same satistic tell you how many people the 4 billion dollars was from. Or dont you know millions of Nigerians live all over the world and do send money to Nigeria. I only asked him to do the test and ask a relative in the UK and that in Nigeria and note down and reflect on thier response. You are asking people living paycheck to paycheck for £30 like its not money lol okay oooo Never said no one can afford anything. 6 Likes |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by Pearl543(f): 9:45pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
timesup234: You know, I actually had the same thought when I read, 'rich dad poor dad'. Robert really analysed their way of living... Paying taxes, having credit cards, working for the government and stuffs like that and buying a house is more like a liability than an asset 4 Likes |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by Beautyaddy: 9:50pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
adonainana: You might somehow be right about that....and that is because middle class Nigerians pay very little to no taxes and they can get away with it with bribe and corruption...while middle class UK earners have to pay taxes by default and they will find it very difficult to do things with corruption or not pay taxes and get away with it. So my question is why will any sensible person be comparing the UK/US/Canada or any Western Country with a lawlessness and Corrupted Country as Nigeria.....like Seriously 6 Likes |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by gly(m): 9:50pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
adonainana: Thanks for nailing this. Well said!!! 1 Like |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by komodapson(m): 9:52pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
Toks2008: You're absolutely spot on.... A friend of mine came back from UK to be precise, on holiday.. Having left since graduation 2007...and he was surprised, shocked how Nigerians lagosians spend money during weekends... He was filled with disappointment when we hung out @ club on Friday... The statement he uttered last was ..." I won't stay long over there, thinking of coming home"... 1 Like |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by SIRTee15: 9:53pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
adonainana: I really don't know where your definition of nigerian middle class earning 1.5 million naira a month comes from.... That's the income of less than 1percent of the working population... And that defeat the whole purpose of middle class if it constitutes just 1 percent.... This isn't about 3000 pound earners in uk v 1.5 million naira earners in naija.... This is about middle class in uk v middle class in naija.... There's just no basis for comparison... It doesn't make sense.... Cleaners, Tesco cashiers n security guards go for holiday abroad in the UK... So what are we talking about... Abeg.... If u want us to discuss economic issues in uk... We can discuss it, but comparing uk to naija based on any economic parameters is a futile effort.... 8 Likes |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by Beautyaddy: 9:54pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
Pearl543: Paying taxes is not working for the government. It is money collected to maintain social and infrastructures amenities that the people who pay these taxes get to enjoy stress free...things that an average Nigerian in Nigeria can never enjoy. |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by Saintp(m): 9:58pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
timesup234: Lol. I agree with you bros When next are you going to create the next thread on this? |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by timesup234: 9:59pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
Beautyaddy:You have been busy taking shot at me without quoting me thinking I wont see it. I will soon turn you to Uglyaddy. You know me too well 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by adonainana: 10:01pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
SIRTee15: Hmm so if Nigerian Middle Class earners dont earn up to 1.5 million, in your opinion they earn 150,000 Naira per month right Your opinion is just funny This is about 3,000 vs 1.5 million in nigeria earners because the original argument i was having with someone earlier on in the thread was that he said cos his freinds was on a £60,000 (£3,000) and i had to make that distinction that they although they are High earners in the UK on PAPER, in reality there are no where near the equivalent middle class earners earning such in Nigeria It makes sense to make a comparison, because only directors, ceos in the UK can be paid £3,000 per month salary. ( Only big men in the UK earn that much ) In comparison only big men in Nigeria too make up to that much in Nigeria too per month. So why cant we compare what both will be able to afford in the end. Everyone is on a minimum wage by law in the UK, which is roughly between £800- £1200. You can afford holidays if you want to. 1 Like |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by Pearl543(f): 10:04pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
Beautyaddy: Uhmmmm I get the point you are trying to state but it wouldn't hurt to look at it from another angle. Americans are very much dependent on their government because of all the get to enjoy, which is bad because they are financially weak and have to struggle most of their lives to continue enjoying all this which in the long run make them get a lot debts because they are taxed for living and when the die they are being taxed too. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by opebiboy: 10:05pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
timesup234:lol. Where do you get all this strength from? |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by komodapson(m): 10:06pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
timesup234: @timesup The reason why I like you is, you have references to back up your statement... That alone say something for anyone that is in his right senses o 1 Like |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by Beautyaddy: 10:07pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
Pearl543: How are Americans dependent on their government....I hope you are not assuming that paying taxes means being dependent on their government. |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by Saintp(m): 10:10pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
CanadaOrBust: Constant electricity has serious disadvantages? Did you just say this ?How would Nigeria ever develop with this kind of mentality? Local man is shocked 4 Likes |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by Beautyaddy: 10:11pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
opebiboy: lool!!...The Strength must come from a very Bitter, Frustrated, Angry, Lazy, Jealous and Jobless person who wants by all means to add as much people to join him. 3 Likes |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by opebiboy: 10:18pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
Beautyaddy:The guy is a clown. Full of hate and resentment. Might even be suicidal |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by oluayebenz: 10:19pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
@timesup234 is actually making alot of sense..... 1 Like |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by lynx200(m): 10:19pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
The aim of every civilized society is to ensure that a large percentage of the population can afford the necessities of life and have some extra to enjoy some luxuries. This is what the USA, Western Europe, South Korea and Japan have accomplished. There is a lot of debt in these societies which is a fact and the taxes are high but that's the price they are willing to pay for having 80% of the population on at least middle class levels who can afford a university education, live in a house, drive a new car and take a vacation. The taxes are a means of supporting the infrastructure needs of the society and ensure things work unlike in Nigeria where nobody pays taxes and things don't work. The Op is right when he says that many Westerners live on debt (research has shown there is only USD500 cash for every individual American. The rest is credit!) but its this credit system that is the reason for the stability in these countries. This is something the Chinese government after years of export led growth wants to see happen in their society with their emphasis on domestic consumption. The thing about Africa and other developing regions is that the cash based economy promotes inequality with a few rich people and masses of poor people. This was the situation in Europe before World war 2. The lack of a credit system to get a home or car is why we drive second hand cars which on the long run cost more to maintain than new cars and rent houses. This is also why many business that deal with non essentials find it difficult to survive here as many people have to survive daily in this country. But on the flip side, its much easier to get rich than in developed countries as there are still many things and features taken for granted over there that is sorely lacking here and anybody who has the balls to venture into them will hit it big. As for the sentiments expressed here, it's every individual's prerogative to choose what he/she wants. Go getters who are innovative and want to strike it big will easily be pissed with the Western economic model and prefer turbulent countries like Nigeria where they can set up businesses. But for those who just want to live a quiet life and don't want all the money in the world (Good job, meritocracy, good pay, a house and a car with some money for vacation etc) without bothering about electricity or security of live as well as the rule of law, the Western economic model of credit and 50% taxation is a good pay off for that. 11 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by Beautyaddy: 10:20pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
opebiboy: Very, very Suicidal….and he's doing a good job adding more people on this forum to his Never Ending Suicidal and Misery. 2 Likes |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by Pearl543(f): 10:21pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
Beautyaddy: Okay... When I say they are dependent on their government, I mean an American that works, let's say 30 years, works as hard as possible to make sure he retires at an early age but cause of the debts incurred from virtually everything the buy,they continue working even to their old age. When the work for this long... The expect pensions from the government, health insurance and all that comes with working for the government when the retire. Most Americans don't owe businesses of their own but rather work for companies so you see And those who don't work for the government at the the end of their working year get to realize that, they didn't get to save much so the get other par time job and the struggle continues. 1 Like |
Re: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by CanadaOrBust: 10:22pm On Aug 31, 2019 |
Saintp: Why do u think the West has low birth rate for example? When there is no electricity people do things other than watching tv, internet, and other electronic stuff. It gives them a “break” 1 Like |
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