HBB1:


Parents sending their kids to school abroad (from Nigeria) don't consider themselves Middle Class.

Nigerians ( majority of Nigerians) don't consider themselves Middle Class-- the country is that poor!

Your Owerri big boys don't consider themselves Middle class, they believe they are well-off. That's how poor the country is.

A Doctor ( Consultant) on the average doesn't make 1.5million a month.
So you mean to tell me that in Nigeria a Consultant or university professor is considered below Middle Class?

If you Google middle class on your phone, the first thing that pops up is professions-- that's the easiest way to delineate classes. The next is income, which in most cases follows the lines of professions.

Your arguement is soooo flawed!

If your arguement of middle class in Nigeria is 1.5million and above, then the middle class is almost non-existent-- then we only have the rich and the poor!

This is not even an argument about rich and poor people tbh so what you can do for me is you can try and find out how many people you think throughout Nigeria earn or make up to 1 million naira per month

Your answer would answer your curiosity
You dont need a profession to be weatlhy, Google answers would come along professions because these are the professions you can easily fit int and work out an economical statistic with

Please how many doctors, lawyers, are on Forbes list of the 1,000 richest people in the world

Who told you you will be automatically middle class cos you are an engineer

wirinet:

I hope you are not related to lai Muhammed!

Your first salary was £2700 after tax, so how much was your net. You must have been earning close to £3,800 net per month. I even forgot to ask, was that weekly or monthly? Wages are paid weekly in UK.
A £500 a month (which is £125 a week) house in UK is a shitty house, or was it in some remote village outside London?
Check here for the cheapest flats for rent in London - https://jamesanderson.co.uk/news/cheapest-areas-in-london-to-rent-2018/

What of Transport, gas, water, electrics bills? Was someone else paying these for you?

And this was your first salary, so how much do you earn now?

People like you disgust me with your myopic opinions. Just because you stayed in London in a small flat with one of your poor relatives you feel like that's how the whole of the UK is.

Do you know that there are other major Cities in the UK with a large population of successful middle-class Nigerians? Northampton, Milton Keynes, Birmingham, Cambridge, Kent, Essex, Manchester etc.. Are you aware that a lot of these Nigerians are in well paying jobs? e.g. Business Analysts, Occupational Therapists, Senior Social Workers, Doctors, Engineers, Scientists, Accountants, Project Managers, Solicitors.. you name it.

In your little brain you think anything outside London is a "remote village" Smh... oh, and for your information:
- £500 per month can fetch you a decent apartment in many cities outside London (Mainly those cities up North)
and
- Wages are paid monthly not weekly .. except you were doing a menial job during your short 6 months stay - which you had no business doing in the first place as you were probably here on a visit Visa.

Next time do not speak on matters you have limited knowledge on.

SIRTee15:


Maybe I joined your argument in the middle...
But a lot of things u saying don't add up.....
Every country has the wealthy upper class....[sup]
Even Djibouti and Somalia has got it's wealthy who definitely are far richer than developed countries middle class....
Property in banana island is over 5 million dollars....
No middle class anywhere in can afford that.....
Even with mortgage....
What we should be talking about is the strength of the middle class....
Someone earning 1.5 million naira per month in naira is not middle class....
Thats less than 1% of the workforce....
1.5 million naira after tax is good money anywhere in the world....
That's 4000 dollars.....
If middle class earn that in naija, that country will be flooded with immigrants looking for jobs....

Nobody is a novice here, we know what obtains in naija....
All your talk about enugu, aba, owerri is just playing to the gallery....
Nigerian hinterland states are the definition of absolute poverty....
I attended a wedding in owerri 2 years ago....
What i saw made me conclude Nigeria is in big trouble....
I really wonder how political elites sleep at night in that country....
Nigeria is a man made disaster waiting to happen...

The saving grace right now is the travelling overseas escape route n remittance from abroad...
Then maybe this yahoo yahoo business....
If those avenues are closed for whatever reason....
That country will explode....
Thats the truth....

This is where you guys are making mistakes, a middle class class system is created in between Economies as they grow and the disposable capital grow,

You cannot travel into a country and overnight become a Middle class citizen,

Reason no matter who you are you cannot travel to the UK and expect a £60,000 year salary

Same reasons immigrants flocking Nigeria are not coming for Middle Class jobs, an economy creates the class system not people

You may joined the argument late, the argument was Middle Class Nigeria vs Middle Class uk, who is richer and better off

timesup234:
Yes everyone would love to live there until they get there and find out it is a mirage. The biggest shame will be leaving there without achieving anything. That's the shame over one million Nigerians are living with in America. They can't come back because they are stuck. If you ask Americans to pay cash for their cars 99% of them won't be able to afford it. Americans are broke and miserable and 95% of them will die in debt. If in 2019 Nigerians don't know an average Nigerian is richer than a middle class American then they are the dumbest donkey on earth

You got 223 likes from fellow dumb ppl... You type rubbish without facts and you got like....lol.

adonainana:


This is not even an argument about rich and poor people tbh so what you can do for me is you can try and find out how many people you think throughout Nigeria earn or make up to 1 million naira per month

Your answer would answer your curiosity
You dont need a profession to be weatlhy, Google answers would come along professions because these are the professions you can easily fit int and work out an economical statistic with

Please how many doctors, lawyers, are on Forbes list of the 1,000 richest people in the world

Who told you you will be automatically middle class cos you are an engineer

You must be living in a bubble!

How many Nigerians (in Nigeria), through Legal means only, earn 1 million and above?

Very few!

That my friend indicates how poor the country is.

Your demographics have been centred on your Business men alone.
Is there any other profession that falls into the middle class (according to your 1.5million mantra) in Nigeria?

So you mean to say 90 percent of the people in the military, health, IT, showbiz, education, power... sectors are considered poor?

Come on!

loswhite:
You got 223 likes from fellow dumb ppl... You type rubbish without facts and you got like....lol.

223 more reason why you are a donkey and brain dead bastard. May thunder strike you dead this very minute, crystal bottle your maggot infested face. America is a shithole and people who live there are all suffering from mental disorder. Nobody should be proud of calling America home. Americans are illiterates and super dumb. All those Harvard, MIT bullshit are overhyped garbage, they don't guarantee shit. In short applying to study in the US. as a student set your life backward another 15 yrs. Now run off stupid tapeworm

HBB1:


You must be living in a bubble!

How many Nigerians (in Nigeria), through Legal means only, earn 1 million and above?

Very few!

That my friend indicates how poor the country is.

Quite a few check international universities and see Nigerian students there from Nigerian families in their thousands

Check Lagos alone for how many millionaires live there

I laugh at you bro

I laugh

HBB1:


You must be living in a bubble!

How many Nigerians (in Nigeria), through Legal means only, earn 1 million and above?

Very few!

That my friend indicates how poor the country is.

Millions of Nigerians earn 1 million legally. Yam and crayfish sellers make more than that. People with petty stores along the road make sales of over 40,000 naira daily. They have all built houses and trained their children in school with no support system from government

timesup234:
In your alice in wonderland thinking the only means to make money is through monthly salary. Millions of Nigerians into businessess make sales of over 5 million naira daily. That is why the west is a slave kingdom, most immigrants are defined by jobs and salary earning. Even the small business I started less than a year ago as a side hustle I make sales of over 100k daily. If your brain is dumb to other routes of making money meet people making it big time to teach you

I'm 100 percent sure u not making sales of 10000 daily in any business, if at all u have a business....
It's either u paid by seun to counter abroad thread so as to increase internet traffic for nairaland or u just a troll....
The rate u reply to post simply shows u jobless...
There's no other way to explain your aberrant social behaviour....

timesup234:
Millions of Nigerians earn 1 million legally. Yam and crayfish sellers make more than that. People with petty stores along the road make sales of over 40,000 naira daily. They have all built houses and trained their children in school with no support system from government

...and there is no cost of goods, cost of labour, cost of power, tax?

The 40,000 naira enters their pockets?

I have people in my families who are business owners, so don't give me that crap!

adonainana:


Quite a few check international universities and see Nigerian students there from Nigerian families in their thousands

Check Lagos alone for how many millionaires live there

I laugh at you bro

I laugh

You must be living in a bubble! grin

How many Nigerians (in Nigeria), through Legal means only, earn 1 million and above?

Very few!

That my friend indicates how poor the country is.

Your demographics have been centred on your Business men alone.
Is there any other profession that falls into the middle class (according to your 1.5million mantra) in Nigeria?

So you mean to say 90 percent of the people in the military, health, IT, showbiz, education, power... sectors are considered poor?

Come on!

SIRTee15:


I'm 100 percent sure u not making sales of 10000 daily in any business, if at all u have a business....
It's either u paid by seun to counter abroad thread so as to increase internet traffic for nairaland or u just a troll....
The rate u reply to post simply shows u jobless...
There's no other way to explain your aberrant social behaviour....

My mission is to save brain damaged individuals like you from making life choices that will destroy your future. So when I hear that America bullshit then it is time to pull out a gun, next time it might be bazooka, so beware, I gave you fair warning. What is 100k in form of sales? Thousands of chemist stores along major roads in 36 states of Nigeria make that easily.

adonainana:


Quite a few check international universities and see Nigerian students there from Nigerian families in their thousands

Check Lagos alone for how many millionaires live there

I laugh at you bro

I laugh

Mind you, it's only in poor Nigeria someone regards himself a Millionaire because he makes a million (naira) a month!

He buys a second hand car, lives amongst dirt poor people and thinks he is made?

Convert that money to Forex and know what's up!

...and to say only very few of the population can even boast of that million naira a month, tells you a lot.

HBB1:


You must be living in a bubble! grin

How many Nigerians (in Nigeria), through Legal means only, earn 1 million and above?

Very few!

That my friend indicates how poor the country is.

Your demographics have been centred on your Business men alone.
Is there any other profession that falls into the middle class (according to your 1.5million mantra) in Nigeria?

So you mean to say 90 percent of the people in the military, health, IT, showbiz, education, power... sectors are considered poor?

Come on!

major general earn 1.5m for life...federal perm sec 1m monthly while guys in british council band 7 earn 1.2 per month...starting salary in total is 13m

MobilityExpress:
So this Kenyan international olosho that patronizes politicians and yahoo boys across Africa wants to tell us that Africans live better than Americans, lol . So Nigerians don't run multiple jobs, or live off debt? This girl is just talking rubbish. Statistically, 85% of Nigerians live below 1000 naira per day. So how can you be better off than Americans. Do 85% of Americans live below $3 per day? America is the richest country in the world, not just in terms of the US government money, but it also has the highest number of millionaires in the world. Hypocrites like this girl will tell you to stay in Africa, that Africa is heaven, but behind your back, she is flying all across the world and lives abroad in US, Dubai and UK more than she lives in Kenya. Go check her Instagram and see for yourself. International prostitutes with enhanced looks and zero brain. See the picture below and tell me what is she doing in Atlanta, USA if Africa is better than America and Kenyans live better than Americans. Mtshewwwww

Why call her Olosho? She gave facts figures and links to her claims.Check what olominira wrote up there,that's an intelligent contribution. Why do you feel so pained about a country you have never and will likely never be in your life. I love America more than any other country apart from Nigeria. I am reading comments to learn and be more informed. What she said doesn't mean she hates America.
When dullards have nothing to say,they resort to insults to cover their lack of common Sense and ignorance. The painful thing is you might be one low life with no future,with access to internet thanks to free basics.
Mumu pig

HBB1:


Mind you, it's only in poor Nigeria someone regards himself a Millionaire because he makes a million (naira) a month!

He buys a second hand car, lives amongst dirt poor people and thinks he is made?

Convert that money to Forex and know what's up!

...and to say only very few of the population can even boast of that million naira a month, tells you a lot.

Oga converter of currency. It clearly shows you don't know anything about economics. Millions of immigrants in America who earn $45,000 annually still share a room with someone. Millions of Americans who earn $100,000 can't afford to pay tuition fee for their kids outta their pockets. People earning 250k naira here have built houses over a period of time, a big four bedroom house not the carton they spend their entire life paying for in that shithole called America. They have saved enough too to send their kids to private universities then masters abroad, all fully paid in cash. In comparison the median American household income of $55,000 is like someone earning 100k naira here. America is a failed state, the United Nations should hold an emergency meeting to wipe America off the world map or get countries like China to annex the US. We need to save those 338 million hungry and depressed America. I feel so sorry for them living in that debt den

adonainana:


This is where you guys are making mistakes, a middle class class system is created in between Economies as they grow and the disposable capital grow,

You cannot travel into a country and overnight become a Middle class citizen,

Reason no matter who you are you cannot travel to the UK and expect a £60,000 year salary

Same reasons immigrants flocking Nigeria are not coming for Middle Class jobs, an economy creates the class system not people

You may joined the argument late, the argument was Middle Class Nigeria vs Middle Class uk, who is richer and better off

The argument should be between nigerian immigrants working class in uk v nigerian middle class in nigeria....
Thats a fair balance....
As I said earlier, Tesco cashiers go on holiday overseas almost every year....
A very rare occurrence for naija middle class.....

ahiboilandgas:
major general earn 1.5m for life...federal perm sec 1m monthly while guys in british council band 7 earn 1.2 per month...starting salary in total is 13m

Please come again...
Starting salary in British council is 13 million....
Same British council or another one....

NONNYG:
Statistician, i wonder where you're getting all these figures from

That's the reality for those who live abroad generally.
Most people are stucked and many ignorantly believe that abroad is better than home.
They won't tell you the challenges they face but keeps struggling until they can no longer.

adonainana:


Quite a few check international universities and see Nigerian students there from Nigerian families in their thousands

Check Lagos alone for how many millionaires live there

I laugh at you bro

I laugh

There are only 15 thousand millionaires in nigeria....
Don't give us some imaginary statistics....
And I'm sure 90 percent are politician n their cronies anyway....

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Security is great in America?
Ok it should be expected. America is the most technologically advanced nation on earth. The have fingerprint data base of all their citizens and legal immigrants.
But looking at how people are killed in project housing including kids as a result of stray bullets.
Looking at how teenagers go to school to kill tens of students for no reason.
Looking at how a people decide to go to a parking lot or concert and start shooting people for no reason.
Looking at how many rappers have been shot at or killed even this year alone shows America is not great in security.
Of course, Nigeria has poor security yes,but no secondary school boy has gone to school to shoot up his class yet. I have never heard of any Nigerian artist or singer or rapper getting shot at gunpoint.
With the level of technology sophistication America has,I will say it is failing security wise.

ahiboilandgas:
major general earn 1.5m for life...federal perm sec 1m monthly while guys in british council band 7 earn 1.2 per month...starting salary in total is 13m

How about the other 90%?!

So Majors, Colonels, Consultants, Commissioners are all poor?

Means we have loads of poor people in the country-- like almost every body is poor!

SIRTee15:


There are only 15 thousand millionaires in nigeria....
Don't give us some imaginary statistics....
And I'm sure 90 percent are politician n their cronies anyway....

Are you talking dollar millionaires or naira millionaires?

SIRTee15:


Please come again...
Starting salary in British council is 13 million....
Same British council or another one....

band 7 ,band 4 ( 5.4 m)

SIRTee15:


There are only 15 thousand millionaires in nigeria....
Don't give us some imaginary statistics....
And I'm sure 90 percent are politician n their cronies anyway....

Young man western media don't know poo about wealth in Nigeria. Every states in Nigeria got over 10,000 dollar millionaires. Nigeria where people own their own houses, even old houses in major streets have a value of over 100 million naira. Stop wasting your time in negativity and join the bandwagon of new millionaires as we are creating the highest number of millions in the world as we speak. If Nigerians were to come out and declare their true assets and net worth, the total number of dollar millionaires will exceed 1.5 million people

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/jan/16/kerching-400000-new-dollar-millionaires-created-in-2018

adonainana:


This is where you guys are making mistakes, a middle class class system is created in between Economies as they grow and the disposable capital grow,

You cannot travel into a country and overnight become a Middle class citizen,

Reason no matter who you are you cannot travel to the UK and expect a £60,000 year salary

Same reasons immigrants flocking Nigeria are not coming for Middle Class jobs, an economy creates the class system not people

You may joined the argument late, the argument was Middle Class Nigeria vs Middle Class uk, who is richer and better off

And yes u can travel overseas n get good paying job...
IT n healthcare professions are paying good money to fresh immigrant professionals....
And recently, these jobs are in hot demand both in Europe and America....
Guys are picking 100 thousand dollars job in silicon valley straight from abroad....
As I said, u properly lived among working class while in uk...thus your myopic view of the UK system...
And abroad in general....

ahiboilandgas:
band 7 ,band 4 ( 5.4 m)

Ok I've reduced it to 5.4m
So is that the entry salary....
I mean the band 7 or band 4

ahiboilandgas:
band 7 ,band 4 ( 5.4 m)

Ok u've reduced it to 5.4m
So is that the entry salary....
I mean the band 7 or band 4

wirinet:

Are you talking dollar millionaires or naira millionaires?

Dollar millionaires...

SIRTee15:


Ok u've reduced it to 5.4m
So is that the entry salary....
I mean the band 7 or band 4

band 7 is over 1.2m monthly

SIRTee15:


There are only 15 thousand millionaires in nigeria....
Don't give us some imaginary statistics....
And I'm sure 90 percent are politician n their cronies anyway....

Do you have any idea d kind of asset an average Nigerian owns?
Do you have any idea what that Hausa man dey earn in profits daily from that small kiosk way dey Ur area?
Do you know that a woman selling akara makes an average of over 5k profit daily.
Do you have any idea d kind of profit mama puts earns daily.
Do you have any idea how much emeke earns daily in profits from his little patent medicine store.


Forget d what you believe, mingle with people, if you want you can make it in Nigeria

Rafiq2:





Do you have any idea d kind of asset an average Nigerian owns?
Do you have any idea what that Hausa man dey earn in profits daily from that small kiosk way dey Ur area?
Do you know that a woman selling akara makes an average of over 5k profit daily.
Do you have any idea d kind of profit mama puts earns daily.
Do you have any idea how much emeke earns daily in profits from his little patent medicine store.


Forget d what you believe, mingle with people, if you want you can make it in Nigeria

whooa that some low live shit..all the item your listed only give low live ,stress ridden miserbla live