oluayebenz:
I will suggest this thread should be closed......

Too many attacks and insults......

Comparison of the two countries is complete fallacy

cc disguy

Tell him to open my thread he closed in 2017. By now I would have gotten 100 million views and saved millions of lives from this falsehood called the Amerikkan dream. They ban me for months also for telling the truth. It is only an insult when we discredit the lies of the American dream but the mods feel very happy to see thousands of Nigerians rant about Boko Haram, Fulani Herdsmen and Buhari. Far worst words have been used to describe Nigeria without any sanction but soon as I pull my AK-47 on America I become the most wanted person on Nairaland. I decided to look the other way when you quoted me.

The only happiness is in God. Whether in America or Africa, if you can’t find and define your purpose, life will be hell. That said �America is still a better environment.

adonainana:


Who will be earning at least £600 a month and won't be able to afford holidays
Who told you Nigerian middle class are not working class as well

A rare occurrence is Nigerian middle classes taking holidays people who have students at international students paying £18,000 a year fees
You that you said you were earning £60,000 when you were in the Uk pls can you afford £18,000
School fees per year

Please lets be serious abeg
Tesco cashier on holiday really

My young cousin working as HCA just came back from Portugal on a weekend holiday...

I'm currently responsible for my wife's masters tuition fee in university...
She will be going to law school next year in uk....

We aunt's will be attending a private secondary school next session...school fees is 18000 pounds per year....
My family friend has 2 of his kids in the same school...

Another of my cousin is planning sending his 2nd kid to grammar school....check the school fees of grammar school in uk....

And these are normal middle class Nigerians in uk doing stuffs....
Roll with the right guys n your narrative will change....

Fallenhunter:


60% of 60,000 is 36,000 not 3,000. If your math is that bad, I'm going to believe the rest of your argument.

Mr man where did you see 60% from, the rate for tax for anyone earning £60,000 a year is 40%

40% of 60,000 is the equivalent of £2,000 a month

So who is wrong me or you

HBB1:


If you think middle income earners are the ones paying 18000 pounds for tuition abroad, you must be deluded!

Means there is no middle class in a whole Nigerian civil service!

Someone ears 1.5 million naira a month, that's say 18 million a year and can afford to pay 18000 pounds (9million naira ) as Scholl fees for 1 child?
En no dey chop?

You are lugubrious!

So only people who are chopping money and embeazxesling money can send thier kids to university abroad I laugh at your ignorance at this stage

I will make a list of the top most expensive secondary schools in Nigeria for you paying nothing less than 1.5 million naira per term.
You will see for yourself how many students are enrolled there

Perhaps your eye will clear that there is a middle class in Nigeria

Rolly22:



Stop talking nonsense, the Nepa bill you're talking about how many times Do you see light in a day in Nigeria?

20 hours a day

HBB1:


I wish I could divulge my personal information...

My roommate in uni, barely 1 year in the UK, had 10million naira in savings, and this after sorting Hsi parents out in Naij ( he sends reasonable amounts home).

My brother-in-law barely 1 year in the UK bought an 11000 pound car in cash!
He could afford to gimme200k naira,without me asking, when I needed money for some things then. They didn't born him well when he was in Naij.

The first time I visited the UK, I stayed with a Nigerian girl in London ( in a high brow area). She was an investment banker ( and a friend to my girlfriend). Her salary was touted to be close to 100k pounds!

But whatever you believe is yours to believe sha, there are Nigerians with very good jobs.

You keep beating around the bush all the time
When I counter your points you go and bring something totally irrelevant

What's your friend being an investment banker being to do with the points I made in this previous posts.

I never said Nigerians never had good job, my argument was middle class uk like this uk friend on £100,000 can never be better off than an equivalent middle class or high class earning the equivalent of 2 or 3 million naira per month

Everytime you are just giving irrelevant examples all the time

adonainana:


No now please just answer my question do you know how many Nigerian daughters and sons are abroad now paying £18,000 as tuition fees in naira paid in advance

Please it's a simple analysis
Call a spade a spade pls

At MOST 10000 Nigerian students
at most

and most Nigerian students have parents with political connection, direct or indirect

You guys....

Nigeria is a very very poor country
Africa is a wretched continent

adonainana:


You keep beating around the bush all the time
When I counter your points you go and bring something totally irrelevant

What's your friend being an investment banker being to do with the points I made in this previous posts.

I never said Nigerians never had good job, my argument was middle class uk like this uk friend on £100,000 can never be better off than an equivalent middle class or high class earning the equivalent of 2 or 3 million naira per month

Everytime you are just giving irrelevant examples all the time

so someone earning 3m in naija is better than one earning £
100k a year?

You are tripping

timesup234:
Tell him to open my thread he closed in 2017. By now I would have gotten 100 million views and saved millions of lives from this falsehood called the Amerikkan dream. They ban me for months also for telling the truth. It is only an insult when we discredit the lies of the American dream but the mods feel very happy to see thousands of Nigerians rant about Boko Haram, Fulani Herdsmen and Buhari. Far worst words have been used to describe Nigeria without any sanction but soon as I pull my AK-47 on America I become the most wanted person on Nairaland. I decided to look the other way when you quoted me.

Bro let me educate you a little.

Yes the hustle is crazy out there but 8 just read your last thread on your nairaland wall and i can see that you are ignorant about many things.

People earning $2000 in U.S are by far better than many people earning N500k in Nigeria.

Let me use U.K as a case study and it can't be different in U.S.

Many people in U.K earn average of £1500 after tax.

Amazingly you can spend £1000 a month on rent, transportation, feeding and miscellaneous and still have £500 savings which is about N250k naija money and wait for this...

You will live quality life that many Nigerians dream of.

Uninterrupted power supply, gas, Internet, essential amenities all included in a £400 room apartment and if you go outside London you can get a whole flat for £400.

You spend an average of £200 on organized transportation...You enjoy free first class health services and you have the choice to buy fresh foods and lots more.

I don't want to talk about the benefits that come with legal residence and the ease at which you get quality stuffs without having to pay through your nose.

So stop this ignorance. As I wrote before? It's not a bed of roses but if you are willing to hustle you will get the best out of your sweat and live a good life.

Just that there is easier life in Naija but very hard to make the money to l8ve the easy life.

timesup234:
Tell him to open my thread he closed in 2017. By now I would have gotten 100 million views and saved millions of lives from this falsehood called the Amerikkan dream. They ban me for months also for telling the truth. It is only an insult when we discredit the lies of the American dream but the mods feel very happy to see thousands of Nigerians rant about Boko Haram, Fulani Herdsmen and Buhari. Far worst words have been used to describe Nigeria without any sanction but soon as I pull my AK-47 on America I become the most wanted person on Nairaland. I decided to look the other way when you quoted me.

You should understand that many peoples have given up on Nigeria. That's black man for you!

The way the people's in government are ruling is bad with no future.
Majority only believe in paycheck, only few have ability to go into businesses. Those that believe in paychecks will definitely choose the west over Nigeria any day.
Nigeria is a country with so many opportunities I agreed but only few of its citizens takes the chances. Indians and Chinese are coming in daily.

Govt also need to take some things seriously like roads, electricity and security. With that i believe Nigeria will be great.

Back in 1950s, when 1usd was 1naira, our roads and electricity was in good shape. Nigeria has more foreigners than any black nation.

Ugosample:


so someone earning 3m in naija is better than one earning £
100k a year?

You are tripping

Now I know you've never been to the UK, you have just been using SENSE to reply me and google, youung man I am a payroll manager (the department which deals with people pay )

If you are on a £100,000 salary in the Uk, your salary is taxed 45%

On your payslip all you will see that is going to your bank account every month will be £4,583

45% percent of your yearly must madantoroly go to the govt as Income tax

Now convert £4583 to naira every month and tell me if it is up to 3 million naira

Chai I even thought you knew a lot about the uk Kai so I have been wasting my time talking to you

So you thought all the £100,000 your friend earns goes to her chai see ignorance ooo

adonainana:


You keep beating around the bush all the time
When I counter your points you go and bring something totally irrelevant

What's your friend being an investment banker being to do with the points I made in this previous posts.

I never said Nigerians never had good job, my argument was middle class uk like this uk friend on £100,000 can never be better off than an equivalent middle class or high class earning the equivalent of 2 or 3 million naira per month

Everytime you are just giving irrelevant examples all the time

Keep shifting goal posts, you have said 60000 pounds were hard to come by.

I have told you otherwise which you don't want to believe.

You are just incorrigible!

adonainana:


Now I know you've never been to the UK, you have just been using SENSE to reply me and google, youung man I am a payroll manager (the department which deals with people pay )

If you are on a £100,000 salary in the Uk, your salary is taxed 45%

On your payslip all you will see that is going to your bank account every month will be £4,583

45% percent of your yearly must madantoroly go to the govt as Income tax

Now convert £4583 to naira every month and tell me if it is up to 3 million naira

Chai I even thought you knew a lot about the uk Kai so I have been wasting my time talking to you

So you thought all the £100,000 your friend earns goes to her chai see ignorance ooo

100k is 5500 pounds a month bruv!
Where are you getting your Info from?

HBB1:


Keep shifting goal posts, you have said 60000 pounds were hard to come by.

I have told you otherwise which you don't want to believe.

You are just incorrigible!

Yes I repeat a £60,000 job in the uk is very very very hard to come by
I can't stop laughing even when you said an economic migrant will come from anywhere else in the world and just take such jobs easily here in the U.K.

Don't mean to be rude ooo but imagine people that will struggle to understand your accent and don't even like you like that that will offer you £60,000 top job

adonainana:


So please can you shed more light as to why Europeans would neglect there own professionals who are even more trained in their own systems and attended the same university in the same European country in question and start looking for trained immigrants in the same field who can do the same job

I think you need to be more reasonable pls.
You cannot come no where and come to the Uk and land a £60,000 job Please i beg it is almost impossible do you how many solitary indigenes of the uk will and apply for top jobs al the time and don't get it

So you will just come from no where and they will hand you over the job with a work permit cos you are boss abi lol

Exactly what I suspected....

Pls go and read about h1b visa....
This is a visa that brings in over 150 thousand professional immigrants into the usa every year....
Taking up jobs with salary up to 100 thousand dollars....

Tier 2 visa in the UK brings in professionals to work in NHS, IT and high end manufacturing....
Most jobs in that category are over 50 thousand pounds......

Most European countries also have respective high skilled visa for skilled professionals....
I'm really surprised how ignorant u are about these things because I know a lot of naija IT guys who left for Germany using the highly skilled route....
I know like 10 to 15 naija IT guys who were initially in uk but later left for Germany....
Guy leave story....
Knowledge is power....
Without knowledge, u can't go far...
Also mixing with the right group n friends is a plus....
They help u change the way u think....

adonainana:


Yes I repeat a £60,000 job in the uk is very very very hard to come by
I can't stop laughing even when you said an economic migrant will come from anywhere else in the world and just take such jobs easily here in the U.K.

Don't mean to be rude ooo but imagine people that will struggle to understand your accent and don't even like you like that that will offer you £60,000 top job

Sorry sir!
Our Akant is saying otherwise.

HBB1:


100k is 5500 pounds a month bruv!
Where are you getting your Info from?

Hope you passed mathematics in primary school bro cos this maths is too simple tbh

If your salary is 100k a year, that's the equivalent of £8,333 a month

The tax rate band is 45% of 100,000 which is £45,000

If you divide 45,000 by 12 months that's £3750
So your income tax bill is £3750 a month

If you minus £8,333 From £ 3750 Please what would you be left with

Pls keep the answer to yourself

SIRTee15:


Exactly what I suspected....

Pls go and read about h1b visa....
This is a visa that brings in over 150 thousand professional immigrants into the usa every year....
Taking up jobs with salary up to 100 thousand dollars....

Tier 2 visa in the UK brings in professionals to work in NHS, IT and high end manufacturing....
Most jobs in that category are over 50 thousand pounds......

Most European countries also have respective high skilled visa for skilled professionals....
I'm really surprised how ignorant u are about these things because I know a lot of naija IT guys who left for Germany using the highly skilled route....
I know like 10 to 15 naija IT guys who were initially in uk but later left for Germany....
Guy leave story....
Knowledge is power....
Without knowledge, u can't go far...
Also mixing with the right group n friends is a plus....
They help u change the way u think....

I can remember reading on some thread where a Nigerian doctor in the US chipped in he was making up to 800k dollars a year...
They came for him o and said it could never be possible. "Who born am... For where?!"

Last last is it not his Akant that will do gbagaun gbagaun at month end?

Joker!

Hmmmmmmm Africa with War and famine and little of no light and maternal mortality at its peak . I disagrre. School of Health Technology Kankia , Katsina State

adonainana:


Hope you passed mathematics in primary school bro cos this maths is too simple tbh

If your salary is 100k a year, that's the equivalent of £8,333 a month

The tax rate band is 45% of 100,000 which is £45,000

If you divide 45,000 by 12 months that's £3750
So your income tax bill is £3750 a month

If you minus £8,333 From £ 3750 Please what would you be left with

Pls keep the answer to yourself

Mr Oga it is over 150k pounds that's 45%

Kam Dan!

adonainana:


Now I know you've never been to the UK, you have just been using SENSE to reply me and google, youung man I am a payroll manager (the department which deals with people pay )

If you are on a £100,000 salary in the Uk, your salary is taxed 45%

On your payslip all you will see that is going to your bank account every month will be £4,583

45% percent of your yearly must madantoroly go to the govt as Income tax

Now convert £4583 to naira every month and tell me if it is up to 3 million naira

Chai I even thought you knew a lot about the uk Kai so I have been wasting my time talking to you

So you thought all the £100,000 your friend earns goes to her chai see ignorance ooo

first of all
I'm not the guy who is going back and forth with you

and second
I am Very familiar with the tax system (did a bit while I was in school) and I know for sure that paying 45% on your 100k income is bollocks
both in Nigeria and Britain

it's a graduated tax system
You don't pay 45% flat

if you do that, you must be stupid

and besides
there are deductibles you can claim back
depending on your circumstances

so forget that story

that said
someone making 3m monthly (which BTW are not so many btw; that's 5 percentile ) does not make him better off than someone making say 6k pounds a month in Britain

the money may look good because it's a poverty stricken country (it's actually good money to be honest)
but the toll it takes on you to live a normal life in NiggerArea is so so much
financially and otherwise

me given the choice to choose where to live with a £100k income

I'll go to the Caribbean first
then may be American south (Miami )
before I even think of NiggerArea


but it's all good
people's perspectives differ

SIRTee15:


Exactly what I suspected....

Pls go and read about h1b visa....
This is a visa that brings in over 150 thousand professional immigrants into the usa every year....
Taking up jobs with salary up to 100 thousand dollars....

Tier 2 visa in the UK brings in professionals to work in NHS, IT and high end manufacturing....
Most jobs in that category are over 50 thousand pounds......

Most European countries also have respective high skilled visa for skilled professionals....
I'm really surprised how ignorant u are about these things because I know a lot of naija IT guys who left for Germany using the highly skilled route....
I know like 10 to 15 naija IT guys who were initially in uk but later left for Germany....
Guy leave story....
Knowledge is power....
Without knowledge, u can't go far...
Also mixing with the right group n friends is a plus....
They help u change the way u think....

leave the guy

he does not know what's up

adonainana:


Yes I repeat a £60,000 job in the uk is very very very hard to come by
I can't stop laughing even when you said an economic migrant will come from anywhere else in the world and just take such jobs easily here in the U.K.

Don't mean to be rude ooo but imagine people that will struggle to understand your accent and don't even like you like that that will offer you £60,000 top job

Accent?

We talking what you have to offer, you talking accent.

Pakis and Indians have taken over the workforce, you talk accent!

Sorry o!

salford1:

These Nigerians are living their Nigerian dream.
They are just two out of thousands.

These Nigerians are living their Nigerian dream.

Toks2008:


Bro let me educate you a little.

Yes the hustle is crazy out there but 8 just read your last thread on your nairaland wall and i can see that you are ignorant about many things.

People earning $2000 in U.S are by far better than many people earning N500k in Nigeria.

Let me use U.K as a case study and it can't be different in U.S.

Many people in U.K earn average of £1500 after tax.

Amazingly you can spend £1000 a month on rent, transportation, feeding and miscellaneous and still have £500 savings which is about N250k naija money and wait for this...

You will live quality life that many Nigerians dream of.

Uninterrupted power supply, gas, Internet, essential amenities all included in a £400 room apartment and if you go outside London you can get a whole flat for £400.

You spend an average of £200 on organized transportation...You enjoy free first class health services and you have the choice to buy fresh foods and lots more.

I don't want to talk about the benefits that come with legal residence and the ease at which you get quality stuffs without having to pay through your nose.

So stop this ignorance. As I wrote before? It's not a bed of roses but if you are willing to hustle you will get the best out of your sweat and live a good life.

Just that there is easier life in Naija but very hard to make the money to l8ve the easy life.

Any Nigerian in America who can't afford to pay $1500 monthly on rent is an animal. He should be locked up in a cage. In short your average monthly rent should be $2,000 without sharing the burden with a roommate before i consider you as part of the living.

Ugosample:



first of all
I'm not the guy who is going back and forth with you

and second
I am Very familiar with the tax system (did a bit while I was in school) and I know for sure that paying 45% on your 100k income is bollocks
both in Nigeria and Britain

it's a graduated tax system
You don't pay 45% flat

if you do that, you must be stupid

and besides
there are[b] deductibles you can claim back
depending on your circumstances [/b]

so forget that story

that said
someone making 3m monthly (which BTW are not so many btw; that's 5 percentile ) does not make him better off than someone making say 6k pounds a month in Britain

the money may look good because it's a poverty stricken country (it's actually good money to be honest)
but the toll it takes on you to live a normal life in NiggerArea is so so much
financially and otherwise

me given the choice to choose where to live with a £100k income

I'll go to the Caribbean first
then may be American south (Miami )
before I even think of NiggerArea


but it's all good
people's perspectives differ

Smh dedecutibles you said on income tax You get nothing back bro

Tax relief could be from CGT or Entreprenuer Relief

There are no reliefs from income tax in the UK
You dont have a choice when it comes to paying your tax in the UK

You dont want good road again ni

And did you just say you earn after tax £6000 in the UK

Kai oga oooo Even the Prime Minister in the Uk does not earn £6,000 after tax

HBB1:



Accent?

We talking what you have to offer, you talking accent.

Pakis and Indians have taken over the workforce, you talk accent!

Sorry o!

Pakis and indians have taken over which workforce in the UK,
The taxi industry workforce or which one

Kennydoc:


You're extremely ignorant. I don't know if you've lived in America before, but you lack knowledge of what you're talking about. You're just quoting useless figures up and down without sitting down and doing a little calculation.

What is the cost of a used 2005 Toyota Corolla in America? Let's say about $4k. For a minimum wage earner in the US who works only 40 hours per week, it will take him about 4-5 months to buy the car with his whole salary.
In Nigeria, the same car probably costs about ₦1-1.4m. It will take a minimum wage earner in Nigeria about 3 years to buy the same car if he's to save up all his salary.

Americans and people from other developed world live on credit because they acquire the best quality (often newest) products. Some of them can't afford such if you ask them to pay cash, but their counterparts in Nigeria can't even dream of them in the first place.
A brand new Samsung Galaxy Note 10 is around $1k. An average US worker can afford to buy the phone with one salary and still have enough change to sort out his rent and other stuff. How many average Nigerian workers can afford to buy a phone of about 360k from one salary? Absolutely NONE! The credit system in the western world means they don't have to pay for everything cash, but can pay in bits over some years still leaving enough cash to sort out other pressing needs.

In terms of housing, the quality of residential houses in Nigeria that can remotely be compared to the average American or European houses are probably the houses in high brow areas in Abuja, Lagos and other big cities in Nigeria. How many average Nigerian workers can afford to live there? Even junior doctors who work in government hospitals in Nigeria can't afford to rent 3 bedroom flats in Maitama, Wuse, Asokoro etc, yet these are some of the top 20% highest earning Nigerian workers.

The fact is that compared to the quality of life in the developed world, many Nigerians are not even living.

from what you have just typed, the bolded part, it is obvious you have not even seen muritala mohammed airport before. a minimum wage earner in america is on 8 dollars an hour. 40 hours a week is 320 a month is 1300 dollars. after tax he gets 1000. his rent is like 600 a month. his transportation to work for a month is 200. his feeding for a month is 200. his clothing is 100. his light bill is 50. his water bill is 50. his internet is 100. and i have not eeven mentioned all his other bills but already his monthly expense is 1300 and he only earns 1000. so where do you come up with this he can save 4000 dollars in 4 months ? you stupid nigerians are clueless. in 40 years of work this person will still have zero in his account and be owing on his credit card bills. more than likely he would be homeless

adonainana:


Smh dedecutibles you said on income tax You get nothing back bro

Tax relief could be from CGT or Entreprenuer Relief

There are no reliefs from income tax in the UK
You dont have a choice when it comes to paying your tax in the UK

You dont want good road again ni

And did you just say you earn after tax £6000 in the UK

Kai oga oooo Even the Prime Minister in the Uk does not earn £6,000 after tax

50 to 150k is 40 percent, above is 45%

And even at that someone in the 50 thousands range stills earns over 3k pounds a month.

Your calculation is flawed!

adonainana:


Pakis and indians have taken over which workforce in the UK,
The taxi industry workforce or which one

The NHS for one.

Ugosample:



first of all
I'm not the guy who is going back and forth with you

and second
I am Very familiar with the tax system (did a bit while I was in school) and I know for sure that paying 45% on your 100k income is bollocks
both in Nigeria and Britain

it's a graduated tax system
You don't pay 45% flat

if you do that, you must be stupid

and besides
there are deductibles you can claim back
depending on your circumstances

so forget that story

that said
someone making 3m monthly (which BTW are not so many btw; that's 5 percentile ) does not make him better off than someone making say 6k pounds a month in Britain

the money may look good because it's a poverty stricken country (it's actually good money to be honest)
but the toll it takes on you to live a normal life in NiggerArea is so so much
financially and otherwise

me given the choice to choose where to live with a £100k income

I'll go to the Caribbean first
then may be American south (Miami )
before I even think of NiggerArea


but it's all good
people's perspectives differ

Yes please leave we dont even want you here

Even the nairaland owner charges up to 500,000 naira for adverts on his homepage.
Pls go on nairaland homepage and see how many banners you see there

Very soon if i tell you that young man is making nothing less than 5 million naira per month. you will say i am lying

Pls go to your south america or go to your imaginary job in the UK

I dont think we needd you here