I pity their patients...

Patient should japa to avoid story that touch.. .

Let me start by saying clarifying some impressions
1. Medical Doctors here represented refers to a specialists in medicine called Pathologists
2. Pathologists are medical specialists recognized and practicing all over the world.
3. Pathologists usually practice in Tertiary health settings where specialized care is offered.
4. Pathologists have laboratory expertise and clinical training and so help to manage complicated cases with other Medical Specialists.
5. There is No form of interference between a Pathologist and A Lab Scientist..
6. Lab Scientists in Nigeria have a morbid fear of Pathologists because of their personal interests.
7. Lab Scientists interns and even Students attacked Pathologists in training with no just cause
8. Even after intervention of senior members of Management and the DVC UniCal, they destroyed hospital property.
9. Lab Scientists have just shot themselves in the foot with their barbaric behavior.
10. Watch this space for more details.

AreaFada2:

I do not know about heading all departments but the buck stops with the doctor. He's in overall charge of patient care. The doctor faces the coroner's court when things go wrong.

Certainly with Radiology and Pathology, a medical consultant heads those departments. Because they are medical specialties.

A radiographer or lab scientist will not head those departments typically. This does not in anyway undermine the great job lab scientists and radiographers put in daily.

I am sorry to have to disagree; when it comes to the headship of the medical laboratory in Nigeria, the law is very clear.

About 4 or 5 years ago this matter was settled by judgement of the court (NICN) which adjudged that the two professions of medical laboratory sciences and pathology respectively were distinct and different; it therefore directed for the establishment of a separate department of medical laboratory services to be headed by a medical laboratory scientist (NOT a pathologist - who essentially is a medical doctor) along with the promotion of lab scientists up to the highest rank of director, in accordance with their scheme of service.

Unfortunately, doctors have been flouting this order (along with many others) as CMDs in teaching hospitals and FMCs in collusion with the high powered colleagues in the ministry of health, including the minister are refusing to comply.

Physiologists are robbed in Nigeria!!!

Pls This Should Not Be The Case Where Elephants Will Fight And The Grasses Will Suffer

Most doctors do not respect lab technician..and they are base for everything that get cured..not doctor

phantom:
Make dem continue. We dey watch.....shite.hole country. Riff raffs in the name of lab scientists dey fight pathologists who naturally are the head of the labs. Rubbish wey dem no fit try for UK.
My radiographer friends who have relocated to the UK tell me they are put in their place over there. They cant touch the doctors there. The doctors are on a whole different stratosphere.

The head of the lab that brought out the beast in the followers is definitely a failed leadership. If you have a positive influence on your followers as a leader, they don't care what profession you belong to, they will revere you! I worked in a multinational safety organization with a mix of different professionals: doctors, nurses, pharmacists, engineers, geologists etc and no one cared about profession ...you just do your bit and the team succeeds. No demi-god or riff raff anywhere....

AreaFada2:

In 9ja everything is fight o. No professionalism, team work or common goal. Because we politicise everything. While a few doctors might be overbearing and too proud, fact remains that most other health care professionals beef doctors for reasons not attributable to doctors themselves.

There is always this envy there somewhere maybe because most of them would have liked to be doctors.

Nigerians also want positions, prestige and privileges that their training may not be traditionally accorded. They should become more productive and gain repute for their work and those changes they want will follow. Instead of allowing a gradual evolution, they pick scapegoats.

Some lab scientists now call themselves "lab doctors".

It's division of labor we talking about here.
Everyone knows their job now. Will a lab scientist be prescribing drugs? No.
Will a Dr be reading plates on d bench? Probably but ma scientist work.
Will a Dr be filling out prescriptions? No . Na pharmacist work na.
Why can't we all just get along and let each pesin do their job?

Sonoyom:

If the educated can be this callous, what should we expect from the uneducated?

Have you not seen what happened at Shoprite and MTN properties in Lagos and Uyo?

GhostWisperer:
he takes relief in falsity. That's how fragile your selfworth is.

I'm certain you're shaken by my knowledge in general subjects.

You've been conversing with an advanced lover of books. A law degree and a political science degree.

Never been in the sciences for once.

But I'm glad I made you think otherwise.

You just endorsed my broad knowledge unwittingly.

Evilforest lackey

You can still write JAMB and read Medicine. Don't give up.

GhostWisperer:
I'm honestly trying hard to determine if you're more overwhelmed by emotions than illiteracy.

Looney, I didn't call you a doctor, I said you smelt like one. And you talk about pride?

How could a navel-gazing dopey like you pledge a 100k in a public forum just to ask a simple question?

You're stupider than a cassava-chewing mountain goat. I'm certain, your daddy's gratuity wasn't up to a 100k.

Bedazzled whelp!

Whatever you are smelling must be from your environment or lack of personal hygiene because I can bet my left that smell cannot be transmitted via the internet... at least for now.

EVILFOREST:

When they acquire CARS, that's the FIRST thing they BUY and HANG on their Inner Mirrors rather than fixing their CARS and averting Road Mishaps....

Damnnnn

Those doc can be so annoy some time. Full of pride. Go to Ikeja G H.

Am a medical laboratory scientist, and fully aware of what is going on in Nigeria health sector.
Bfr l gv u insight to what n where the problem comes from,let me erroneous fact some ppl are taking around that its ppl that couldn't gain admission to study medicine that are envying or fighting Drs.this is blatantly false,l n my best Frnd initially wanted to study pharmacy after sec sch,I for one dnt like drs arrogancy probably one of the reason it didn't appeal to me,but as God will have it our parent secure another form of another uni which has no pharmacy for instead of the one we initially thought we will b going.presently my best is now a Dr n l a medical laboratory scientist...

On the issue,am aware Association of medical laboratory scientist of Nigeria secure a court victory affirming their autonomy according to Act 11 of 2003,which means only Medical laboratory scientist/technician can wrk n licensed to wrk in the hospital laboratory.there has been a long term battle cos Dr feel they can wrk anywhere, having this erroneous notion they kno it All which is nt true.atimes they will feel they can head evn the core ppl who owns a department n such CNT happn unless u r demanding for war.this is a professional gathering full of intellectuals,on many occasions drs will post their student drs or resident drs to come n do call(like night shift) in the lab wen virtually they kno next to nothing as regard wat is obtainable there...
I feel this days drs are becoming too much n hence looking for where to encroach...but we are saying Medical laboratory is not one of them.
The thing is let all diff professionals be it medical lab scientist, pharmacist, physiotherapist n co that make up health team head their respective department n drs theirs.and let drs stop meddling into the affairs of other professionals,u r not lord over any medical matter, do ur wrk over a patient n let other do their,let respect be mutual n things will go the it shd.
Finally,nothing stopping each medical professionals frm heading the hospital wen qualified.nobody shd expect there shd b harmony wen the fairness n justice is far to being.thanks

Insulting the fellow with humongous grammar doesn't change the narrative
Alas you prove we onlookers right
Kontinu!

GhostWisperer:
I'm honestly trying hard to determine if you're more overwhelmed by emotions than illiteracy.

Looney, I didn't call you a doctor, I said you smelt like one. And you talk about pride?

How could a navel-gazing dopey like you pledge a 100k in a public forum just to ask a simple question?

You're stupider than a cassava-chewing mountain goat. I'm certain, your daddy's gratuity wasn't up to a 100k.

Bedazzled whelp!

ohhh

hmmm

It's the lab scientists that you still see referring to 'emselves as "lab doctors" abi? That is even nothing. They have their own problems too within their rank; scientists vs technicians and it is a big thing, soon to get uglier than scientists against doctors.

And well, other "budding" disciplines too use to stethoscope as a means of identification and are gradually adopting the "dr" prefix such that very soon, every personnel in the hospital environment, from the accountant down to the orderly will need to be called a doctor.

Funny enough, regardless of the fact that they are the ones expected to, I don't see doctors crazy about this fad of sticking stethoscopes to their dashboards or rear view mirrors but other hospital non-doctor employees have adopted this style. Now does that not mean some complex issues?

I think with this upsurge of kidnapping for ransom, no doctor would even wanna risk advertising himself as a potential prey so as many as possible can decide to carry the stethoscopes around. Even the engineers, lawyers, hospital admin staff are free to if they so desire. It's really not about what you display, is it? It's basically about the skills that gives you away as the real doctor.

we are the oracle of modern medicine Doctors respect our values

phantom:
Make dem continue. We dey watch.....shite.hole country. Riff raffs in the name of lab scientists dey fight pathologists who naturally are the head of the labs. Rubbish wey dem no fit try for UK.
My radiographer friends who have relocated to the UK tell me they are put in their place over there. They cant touch the doctors there. The doctors are on a whole different stratosphere.

foolish post

oneman2k7:

You are living in a fool paradise, a pathologist has no business carrying out laboratory tests on any patients but rather interprete lab results and also advised his medical colleagues on treating a special cases associated to his field but what we see in Nigeria is that pathologists want to sign d results he has no input, he want to head a medical laboratory department. Nigeria law make it clear, medical laboratory science is a distinct department and should be headed by a medical laboratory scientist. Doctors should live and let other live here in Nigeria. Enough of incurring into other peoples jurisdiction

You don't know who a pathologist is... Your whole medical laboratory technology field, they created it. You're a mere technician... Stop fronting for the public and girls on nairaland, doctors are raiding your department daily and your women are succumbing because they know.
We are sorry, you can't head a hospital lab, you are not authorized for quality control, you have no license to interphase with patients, the knowledge you think you have, sadly you do not. This is the plain truth, if you are so good, pls treat yourself and your relations and stop ranting online only to slip in through the back door of a clinic to whisper to the doctors. You guys are now the biggest threat to public health with your mushroom labs everywhere concocting results and culturing staff, even prescribing dangerously and promoting bacterial resistance.
You all know nothing and are after your pockets.
If this trend continues, all doctors will completely start boycotting all test results and investigations unsupervised and unauthorized by medical specialists in charge of that area. It will get to that point and we will see who will have a job. The older generation didn't deal with it decisively, we will do so in the interest of patient safety for which we are responsible and will be liable for

dokyOloye:

Why comment on what you don't fully understand?
Let me give you an example, a lab scientist is trained to run test,with a little background scientific knowledge of the basis of diseases.
A pathologist is a doctor who specializes in laboratory tests with a deep knowledge of clinical basis, signs and symptoms, etc of diseases.
B/w d a test done by a scientist and a pathologist, which will you consider more reliable?
Do you know sometimes, a patient goes in for surgery, loses blood, then does a test to check d blood level and it comes out higher than d one b4 the surgery and the scientists pushes it out like that to d doctor.Meanwhile all d clinical info is on d request form.Now this error might not be a human error but due to spoilt reagent,equipment etc.
Now a pathologist will likely dismiss d result,collect another sample and repeat d test.
With a knowledge of d foregoing, who should be heading d lab?
Who was d first lab scientist?
Who was d first pharmacist?
All are doctors.

the pathologist dismisses the result because he already knows the state of the patient before asking the med lab scientist to run the test....leave science jare....we all know how this thing works...if the med lab scientist knows that the patient did such operation he too will know there is something wrong with the result

alphaNomega:


Whatever you are smelling must be from your environment or lack of personal hygiene because I can bet my left that smell cannot be transmitted via the internet... at least for now.

says the peasant who calls himself alpha and omega.

If you're a juice, your life won't be worth the squeeze!

alphaNomega:


You can still write JAMB and read Medicine. Don't give up.

you read medicine? And found out you wasted 8 years of your life pursuing the demons of inadequacy tormenting you all your life.

And you're still hollow.

You need to unfuck yourself from your medical misadventures. You're still a nobody.

Honestly reading the posts on this thread makes me see the reason why healthcare in Nigeria might never improve soon.

Just look at the comments.

No one is even concerned about the patient, its I am this I am that. Cant you all just work together for once.

Nonsense and ingredients.

Damianpaul:
Let me start by saying clarifying some impressions
1. Medical Doctors here represented refers to a specialists in medicine called Pathologists
2. Pathologists are medical specialists recognized and practicing all over the world.
3. Pathologists usually practice in Tertiary health settings where specialized care is offered.
4. Pathologists have laboratory expertise and clinical training and so help to manage complicated cases with other Medical Specialists.
5. There is No form of interference between a Pathologist and A Lab Scientist..
6. Lab Scientists in Nigeria have a morbid fear of Pathologists because of their personal interests.
7. Lab Scientists interns and even Students attacked Pathologists in training with no just cause
8. Even after intervention of senior members of Management and the DVC UniCal, they destroyed hospital property.
9. Lab Scientists have just shot themselves in the foot with their barbaric behavior.
10. Watch this space for more details.

I believe pathologists are feared because of the nature of their work.

NoToPile:


No one is even concerned about the patient, its I am this I am that.

True

Correcto:
You need to learn a lot. My uncle is a Senior Doctor, a consultant. I once visited him and asked why the so much dispute in the health sector. He simply said the problem is Doctor's greed and lack of respect & team spirit. He said a typical Nigeria Doctor sees him/herself as a ruler. There are many unfair politics played by doctors in the health sector that is not tolerated in the western world. I can't explain it here, just find a honest doctor to explain to you.

The fact is in 9ja most people flout most things.
Give lab scientists more power and they will do worse to other non-medical health care staff.

They are only complaining now because they are not the ones dishing it out.

That was the view of one doctor. Just one. I know 9ja based doctors who treat other professionals very nicely.

In any case I was about 14 years old when a grilling by a highly placed civil servant relative made me decide I will not spend my future in Nigeria. He essentially rubbished my nack for honesty and sticking to the rules too rigidly.
I was lucky enough to realise that as a teenager. In the West every Healthcare staff sees another professional as a team member. Any student beginning clinical training on the wards knows that helping out the nurses with bloods and others is a sure way to have a good time there.

I have never understood why in 9ja they are fighting in the market place.

Doctors wants to start carrying out bench work or what

Ebiskele:
the pathologist dismisses the result because he already knows the state of the patient before asking the med lab scientist to run the test....leave science jare....we all know how this thing works...if the med lab scientist knows that the patient did such operation he too will know there is something wrong with the result

How does the pathologist whose work starts and ends in d lab know d state of the patient when he'snot d surgeon?
The same clinical information on the lab request form which the scientists glance over is what he bases on.
4 days ago,I was called to see a patient in my friend's clinic cos he wasn't around.
Patient was brought in unconscious, known diabetic and did a test in a private lab 2 days b4 d incidence.
Turned out his random blood sugar was 475mg/dl,d lab scientist who ran d test told him to GO HOME, TAKE HIS DRUGS AND REST instead of telling him to rush to the nearest hospital.
Now,if it were a pathologist that told him that,I would've speedily reported him to the medical council cos it was war b4 the man could be resuscitated, veins were already collapsed.
You see why a scientist can never suffice for a pathologist.
Well,you will never understand, I just pity d masses you ppl use as cannon fodder for your ego trip.

You first statement shows a typical understanding of a Nigerian doctor. No one is begging doctors for more power, they are simply saying show some respect, act like a leader not a ruler. Every professional should be allow to function effectively with another hindering them. You must learn that respect is reciprocal and also disrespect is reciprocal

AreaFada2:

The fact is in 9ja most people flout most things.
Give lab scientists more power and they will do worse the other non-medical health care staff.

They are only complaining now because they are not the ones dishing it out.

That was the view of one doctor. Just one. I know 9ja based doctors who treat other professionals very nicely.

In any case I was about 14 years old when a grilling by a highly placed civil servant relative made me decide I will not spend my future in Nigeria. He essentially rubbished my nack for honesty and sticking to the rules too rigidly.
I was lucky enough to realise that as a teenager. In the West every Healthcare staff sees another professional as a team member. Any student beginning clinical training on the wards knows that helping out the nurses with bloods and others is a sure way to have a good time there.

I have never understood why in 9ja they are fighting in the market place.

Ningi2020:
I dont know why this doctor's always have this feelings of being ontop in all medical matters

Because they're actually 'on top'