Christian apologists (well, most of them) like claiming that the universe is too complex to have not been created by an intelligent being. what most of them usually look over is the quality or the attributes of said being. hypothetically, a supreme intelligence capable of manufacturing a complex universe should be complex himself. such a being cannot just appear out of nowhere, thus, my question to the religious apologists: WHO CREATED GOD?

That is one question you should never ask

This kind question weak me o...

PabloAndreas:
That is one question you should never ask

Why?

Thank you for this question. I pray that your hunger transcends the knowledge about God, but may it become a burning desire to encounter His person and power, in the mighty name of Jesus.

When God revealed His name “I AM” to Moses at the burning bush, He was revealing something very important about Himself, namely, that He is self-existent; He has the power of being in and of Himself. He depends on nothing and no one for His existence.

This is the idea of self-existence, or what is called in theology the concept of aseity. This attribute captures all of the glory of the perfection of God’s being. What makes God different from people, from the stars, from earthquakes, and from any other creaturely thing is that God—and God alone—has aseity; He alone exists by His own power. No one made Him or caused Him. He exists in and of Himself. This is a quality that no creature shares. People are not self-existent; neither are cars or stars. Only God has the concept of self-existence.

God bless you, in the mighty name of Jesus.

It depends on your definition of God.
If you define God as Jehovah, Allah, Vishnu, Olorun, Mazda or any of the millions of beings whose images resemble those of humans, then these beings were actually created by Mirosh(which is the Summation of Existence).
But if you know what God is, being the Totality of Existence(Mirosh) then the answer is simple, EXISTENCE IS NEITHER CREATED and cannot be destroyed.

You can read up how beings like Jehovah and Allah were created in the book of MCC 1: 14.

No one... He is Almighty.

dragonflyy:
Christian apologists (well, most of them) like claiming that the universe is too complex to have not been created by an intelligent being. what most of them usually look over is the quality or the attributes of said being. hypothetically, a supreme intelligence capable of manufacturing a complex universe should be complex himself. such a being cannot just appear out of nowhere, thus, my question to the religious apologists:
WHO CREATED GOD?

God is a Self-Existent God.

dragonflyy:
Why?

Cos you don't even know about your own self yet.

Who created God? obviously that'll be the real GOD!

Any questions about the origins of our universe dissolve into incoherence including questions about the origins of a god or gods. This because we cannot as of yet investigate that. If we ever develop the capability of investigating it, I think what we find would likely be disappointing to theists, going by our track record of finding no god responsible for any natural phenomena we have investigated.

dragonflyy:
Christian apologists (well, most of them) like claiming that the universe is too complex to have not been created by an intelligent being. what most of them usually look over is the quality or the attributes of said being. hypothetically, a supreme intelligence capable of manufacturing a complex universe should be complex himself. such a being cannot just appear out of nowhere, thus, my question to the religious apologists: WHO CREATED GOD?

Good question!

Answer ~ NO ONE!

dragonflyy:
WHO CREATED GOD?

Obviously Allah created God

Gracealone:
Thank you for this question. I pray that your hunger transcends the knowledge about God, but may it become a burning desire to encounter His person and power, in the mighty name of Jesus.

When God revealed His name “I AM” to Moses at the burning bush, He was revealing something very important about Himself, namely, that He is self-existent...

Lemme stop you here for a sec
1. Something which lacks actuality lacks the means to create. How could something have created ITSELF if it never existed?
2. You have no objective hard empirical evidence to demonstrate for the underlined claim. Prove me wrong.
3. Your statement also commits the special pleading fallacy. What stops me from claiming that the universe created itself i.e it is self existent?

dragonflyy:
Christian apologists (well, most of them) like claiming that the universe is too complex to have not been created by an intelligent being. what most of them usually look over is the quality or the attributes of said being. hypothetically, a supreme intelligence capable of manufacturing a complex universe should be complex himself. such a being cannot just appear out of nowhere, thus, my question to the religious apologists: WHO CREATED GOD?

If you have had a near death or out of body experience, you will understand that there are forces higher than Us.
God is God, He is the Alpha and Omega. Asking who created God is like asking the name of that singular sperm that fertilized the egg that brought you to life.

My Brother, life is connected to energy and all energy has a source. God is the origin. Shikina!

freshaboki:


If you have had a near death or out of body experience, you will understand that there are forces higher than Us.
God is God, He is the Alpha and Omega. Asking who created God is like asking the name of that singular sperm that fertilized the egg that brought you to life.

My Brother, life is connected to energy and all energy has a source. God is the origin. Shikina!

There is nothing "spectacular" about have an NDE or OBE, oxygen starved brains have wierd experiences. In fact, back in secondary school we used to induce fainting in ourselves and everytime I went under I saw wierd stuff. In one case we were at the football field watching a match, when I went under I saw a goal being scored and just as i woke up a goal celebration was underway. It looked like i saw a prophetic dream when i was under but the fact is my brain was still receiving input even though I was not conscious and managed to interpolate the sensory input and still be correct. There is nothing about this process that is supernatural.

MJBOLT:

god was created by the europeans to control and enslave the world 2000 years ago

depends on the god you're talking about

XxSabrinaxX:



Lemme stop you here for a sec

Where have you been?
Don't you care that we'd miss you?

budaatum:

Where have you been?
Don't you care that we'd miss you?

Good day, buda! It's been a long year so far for me with lots of stuff going on at home, i just had to stay off internet forum shenanigans for some time but i think i'm back for good now. Really missed the gang. How's it been at the forums?

All gods were created by the minds of men.

XxSabrinaxX:

Good day, buda! It's been a long year so far for me with lots of stuff going on at home, i just had to stay off internet forum shenanigans for some time but i think i'm back for good now. Really missed the gang. How's it been at the forums?

Good to have you back around.

The capitalist thugs( caucasians)

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LordReed:

Good to have you back around.

Thanks

dragonflyy:
Christian apologists (well, most of them) like claiming that the universe is too complex to have not been created by an intelligent being. what most of them usually look over is the quality or the attributes of said being. hypothetically, a supreme intelligence capable of manufacturing a complex universe should be complex himself. such a being cannot just appear out of nowhere, thus, my question to the religious apologists: WHO CREATED GOD?

Hi there.

Your question is exactly the same as "who created existence?"

Whatever is truly God is by definition self-existent, that is, it cannot have ever been created. It exists purely by its own will. In fact, it is existence itself.

So your question is actually nonsense. And I don't mean that offensively, just literally. That is, your question actually lacks meaning.

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dragonflyy:
Christian apologists (well, most of them) like claiming that the universe is too complex to have not been created by an intelligent being. what most of them usually look over is the quality or the attributes of said being. hypothetically, a supreme intelligence capable of manufacturing a complex universe should be complex himself. such a being cannot just appear out of nowhere, thus, my question to the religious apologists: WHO CREATED GOD?

To apply the word "CREATE" to God in the first place is a wrong application if you take the universe to be created by God.

Just like asking, if man manufactured car, who manufactured man?

Your question would've been reasonable if you asked "How did God come to be?"

Ihedinobi3:

Hi there.

Your question is exactly the same as "who created existence?"

Whatever is truly God is by definition self-existent, that is, it cannot have ever been created. It exists purely by its own will. In fact, it is existence itself.

So your question is actually nonsense. And I don't mean that offensively, just literally. That is, your question actually lacks meaning.

hera was, by definition, a god. yet she didn't exist by her own will. neither did the thousand and one other gods all supposed by human beings. even the christian god had a beginning but only "exists" because of humans.

dragonflyy:

hera was, by definition, a god. yet she didn't exist by her own will. neither did the thousand and one other gods all supposed by human beings. even the christian god had a beginning but only "exists" because of humans.

I'm not sure how Hera was a god "by definition." What definition do you mean?

Where did you get the information that the Christian God has a beginning? Why do you believe that He does?

Ihedinobi3:

I'm not sure how Hera was a god "by definition." What definition do you mean?

Where did you get the information that the Christian God has a beginning?

to answer your first question, hera qualifies as much as a true god as any of the other 4000 odd deities that mankind has, and does, revere. tell me why she is not a god please. she has as much evidence 4 existence as ur chosen deity.

to answer ur second question, yahweh, the xtian god had a beginning in d sumerian pantheon, and was a minor war god with his wife asherah in the babylonian pantheon. asherah was worshipped in home hearths 4 many centuries by the "israelites" as archeology has confirmed. both were appropriaties (as were the tales of noah) by the hebrews and later the israelites and formed d origins of d pentateuch/torah. a quick trip or survey of d tel aviv university dept of archeology will bear out everything i've written down but then again, truth is often elusive for most theists.

dragonflyy:
Christian apologists (well, most of them) like claiming that the universe is too complex to have not been created by an intelligent being. what most of them usually look over is the quality or the attributes of said being. hypothetically, a supreme intelligence capable of manufacturing a complex universe should be complex himself. such a being cannot just appear out of nowhere, thus, my question to the religious apologists: WHO CREATED GOD?

By definition, God is the SOURCE and ORIGINATOR of all creation.

Your Quote:

A supreme intelligence capable of manufacturing a complex universe should be complex himself

Is completely true unfortunately NOT in the Physical Sense: for God is not Physical. This would mean that God's complexity is so massive that it is beyond what the Physical realm can comprehend.

The question of WHO created God is illogical for such an infinite regression is impossible. It must terminate at a point: and that end point is still GOD.

LordReed:
Any questions about the origins of our universe dissolve into incoherence including questions about the origins of a god or gods. This because we cannot as of yet investigate that. If we ever develop the capability of investigating it, I think what we find would likely be disappointing to theists, going by our track record of finding no god responsible for any natural phenomena we have investigated.

You are bound to fail in all your quest for God because it's like you are attempting to measure "electromagnetic energy" with a "ruler". If God was to exist before the big bang, do you think any of the current laws of physics, chemistry and biology would apply to detecting Him?

XxSabrinaxX:
Obviously Allah created God
Lemme stop you here for a sec
1. Something which lacks actuality lacks the means to create. How could something have created ITSELF if it never existed?

Something initiated the big bang. The big bang was a change in status quo of the universe caused by an effect/force outside the universe. Whatever that is cannot be said to lack actuality (you may only not have the means of measurement). It is impossible for order to come out of chaos eg, big bang.

XxSabrinaxX:

2. You have no objective hard empirical evidence to demonstrate for the underlined claim. Prove me wrong.

Yes, simply because God has never been described as "hard"!
Has God ever been described to you as consisting of atoms and molecules? God is the FIRST CONSCIOUSNESS: do you think consciousness can be measured?

XxSabrinaxX:

3. Your statement also commits the special pleading fallacy. What stops me from claiming that the universe created itself i.e it is self existent?

The big bang actually proves that the universe has a beginning: so, it couldn't have created itself. You being conscious is a proof that other consciousness exists: of which the First CONSCIOUSNESS (God) exists.

shadeyinka:

You are bound to fail in all your quest for God because it's like you are attempting to measure "electromagnetic energy" with a "ruler". If God was to exist before the big bang, do you think any of the current laws of physics, chemistry and biology would apply to detecting Him?

Well the failure will be yours. How do you believe a god that has no verifiable evidence? How are you better than those who believed in Thor and Ogun until we saw there was no god in the skies hurling thunder?