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Re: Who Created God? by LordReed(m): 8:35pm On Sep 27, 2019 |
shadeyinka: What does proper and improper sense mean in this context?
I am repeating because you have not proved your claim. It is you making the claim not me.
Good, go disprove the scientists and claim your Nobel.
1. Where was that? Link to it. 2. There was no DNA at the start if the universe so how does it tie into the energy? 3. I can't imagine a 4 or 5 D being. Can you?
Glad you agree. |
Re: Who Created God? by Blabbermouth: 8:49pm On Sep 27, 2019 |
LordReed:I'm sorry if I struck a nerve, you have taken it personal. I will leave you henceforth, and I pray you find an answer, when you do, never because of anyone or anybody shy from it. Adios.... 1 Like |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 8:57pm On Sep 27, 2019 |
LordReed:As you have used it in your question (improper sense) LordReed:You gave made an assertion: prove it LordReed:Check previous posts LordReed:Don't act dummy! LordReed:But you'll agree that if 4D and 5D exist, they can surely interact at 3D level? LordReed:Referring to you |
Re: Who Created God? by LordReed(m): 9:52pm On Sep 27, 2019 |
shadeyinka: So if I asked properly the universe is isolated? So when you said the universe was closed you used it improperly?
Nope you did, I am just telling you the result of your claim.
1. Ok. You answer is because chaos can't form atoms? 2. And you don't have to be a cunt. DNA was not present at the start of the universe and you are here invoking it to prove conditions before the start of the universe. 3. I don't know, I can't imagine a 4 or 5D being. Can you imagine one? |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 10:43pm On Sep 27, 2019 |
LordReed:You are going aimlessly round trip n circles. Using properly means in its proper exact sense. Except you mean a different thing: if you do, let's have it. @Bolded Buhari is Jubril! Buhari is not Jubril! If you wouldn't accept my arguments for why Buhari is Jubril, then You should start why Buhari is Not Jubril else shut up. @2 Your point is lame. The car electronics was not there when the car engine was casted from Aluminium: meaning the car designer didn't make the car electronics!!!!! @3. That's why you can't comprehend spiritual things. |
Re: Who Created God? by LordReed(m): 11:05pm On Sep 27, 2019 |
shadeyinka: So the universe is an isolated system is what you are saying?
Buhari is Jubril How do you know? Because they have the same type of nose That does not prove Buhari is Jubril Why don't you prove Buhari is not Jubril? Because I didn't claim Buhari is not Jubril Yeah come shut me up you lil cunt.
And you are dumb because car electronics are not always manufactured by the maker of the engine. Like I care about imaginary beings. |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 8:14am On Sep 28, 2019 |
LordReed:Reed, I guess you've got nothing else to say. Nothing smart has come from you in the last five posts. Note how you have completely digressed from the issue at stake. I give you time to go do your research (and ask questions from Atheists forums) and compose a proper rebuttal : till then, this conversation is suspended! 1 Like |
Re: Who Created God? by LordReed(m): 8:48am On Sep 28, 2019 |
shadeyinka: Please go and rest, you've been yapping nonsense all along and I humor you so we can have a discussion but you get it into your head that you are actually making sense. Go write your cosmology paper detailing how you know that the universe is an isolated system properly and a closed system improperly. Nonsense and ingredients. 1 Like |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 8:54am On Sep 28, 2019 |
LordReed:Escapist Strategy: I'm not surprised. Go do your homework! Tick tock! Tick tock!! ..I waiting! 1 Like |
Re: Who Created God? by LordReed(m): 9:00am On Sep 28, 2019 |
shadeyinka: I am waiting for your cosmology paper, not even notable cosmologists claim to know what type of system the universe is. You rabblerouser on NL knows what system the universe is. LMFAO! 4 Likes |
Re: Who Created God? by orunto27: 9:10am On Sep 28, 2019 |
God created God because God is Everything. That's The Wisdom, The Knowledge and The Understanding. Also Pope Francis must be impeached for criticising The Lord's Prayer as evidenced by The KJV and, as an Agentinian, for claiming to know Latin better than The Italians. |
Re: Who Created God? by Vic2Ree(m): 9:25am On Sep 28, 2019 |
LordReed:You sure know how to put up with nonsense. I admire all you guys' patience. These christians are complete frauds. If they know so much about the universe, why have they not obtained their Nobel awards. @shadeyinka, all that physics and you still can't prove your Jehovah. Wetin u gain? 1 Like |
Re: Who Created God? by orisa37: 9:40am On Sep 28, 2019 |
God created God because God y Everything. |
Re: Who Created God? by orisa37: 9:42am On Sep 28, 2019 |
Re: Who Created God? by orisa37: 9:46am On Sep 28, 2019 |
God forgive 0temSapien for he doesn't know what he's doing. |
Re: Who Created God? by orisa37: 10:13am On Sep 28, 2019 |
Keep looking at your Computer and interfering with The Internet.Start the Process to impeach The current Latin American Pope Francis and get a pet Crystal Ball and whaol, the Practice is yours to reveal The Parents of God. |
Re: Who Created God? by LordReed(m): 10:13am On Sep 28, 2019 |
Vic2Ree: Like my dear buda would say they love to believe the nonsense they cook up in their heads thats why it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. I try to shine a light on bad ideas and information but I tell you its a thankless task. 1 Like |
Re: Who Created God? by Vic2Ree(m): 11:32am On Sep 28, 2019 |
LordReed:I swear @bolded. I've had a few back and forths with stubborn christians in the past and after a while, i realised its of no use really. They push arguments of deist god and use it conclude that their favourite monotheistic god exists. The most frustrating part is that they'll view your lack of response as a victory for themselves and a defeat of you, even though their arguments are just too stupid to respond to. LoL ![]() |
Re: Who Created God? by LordReed(m): 11:44am On Sep 28, 2019 |
Vic2Ree: Too true. |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 12:11pm On Sep 28, 2019 |
Vic2Ree:Don't be silly! You think anyone can prove God!!?? After tearing your people to shreds with the sciences you claim to rely on. I know your problem. You've searched through all the Atheist forums you know for rebuttals and you couldn't find suitable ones: hence you brey like a cornered donkey because I use elementary (commonly available knowledge) physics, computer, electronics, biology and common sense knowledge available to all to show your faulty conclusion. SMH! What have I gained!? Satisfaction of your guys failing in what they they "pride" in as their god! Vic2Ree: So, you think my arguments have been Deist's? SMH I've never cared a hoot about any Deist. Saying this actually is a proof that my jab pained you (whether you pretend to admit it or not). BTW: I never knew you "feared" Deists this much! SMH! 1 Like |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 12:48pm On Sep 28, 2019 |
LordReed: LordReed: Truly isolated physical systems do not exist in reality (except perhaps for the universe as a whole), because, for example, there is always gravity between a system with mass and masses elsewhere.[22][23][24][25][26] |
Re: Who Created God? by Vic2Ree(m): 2:29pm On Sep 28, 2019 |
shadeyinka:LoL! Are you done sucking your own dick? ![]()
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Re: Who Created God? by LordReed(m): 2:35pm On Sep 28, 2019 |
shadeyinka: It is called speculation, embrace that word. |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 2:41pm On Sep 28, 2019 |
Vic2Ree:What a Vile mind! This is what atheism has reduced you to!? SMH! What a vile mind! 1 Like |
Re: Who Created God? by Nobody: 3:14pm On Sep 28, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Look. If there is no deity that created the universe, it does not mean there was an infinite regress. I can imagine other possibilites, natural, ultimate causation, or, a brute fact ultimate causation. Infinite regress is not necessarily impossible. You said it yourself here, You cannot empirically prove that which you cannot graspI agree! I have no idea. Neither do you. Insisting that it must be a god is an assumption that explains nothing. Rather it adds more mystery to the issue. LOVED the comment @red (as if you didn't know already ![]() How many more ways can I possibly repeat the same thing again... and again... and again... and again... and again... and again..................... ? LOL. You are responding to the request you evidence one of your endless unevidenced claims, by you offering yet another unevidenced claim! [img]https://media1./images/fb147d17dbe13bf3b0e6167682f5dbda/tenor.gif[/img] Wow. What a genius! How can we know god is transcendent of our laws if we don't know what god is or what the laws are outside this ball of mass we're in? Wazoldis presuppositional tripe for, ehn? Shadeyinka, you don't get to assert creation You don't get to assert initiation You don't get to assert source You surely don't get to assert whatever initiated You have not ruled out any entirely natural processes in any way. Please learn to prove your assertions. You cannot possibly know what is natural or unnatural beyond Planck Time without a crystal ball. I have made no assertions thus I am absolved of any burden of proof. All we know is that the universe is expanding and that is validated by nearly all known experiments. Nevertheless; this idea too, is being challenged. "According to a team of astrophysicists led by Eric Lerner from Lawrenceville Plasma Physics, the Universe is not expanding at all." We do not know for certain! You do not get to make inane assertions! http://sci-news.com/astronomy/science-universe-not-expanding-01940.html "Therefore if the Universe is not expanding, the redshift of light with increasing distance must be caused by some other phenomena - something that happens to the light itself as it travels through space". Eric J. Lerner et al. UV surface brightness of galaxies from the local universe to z ~ 5. Int. J. Mod. Phys. D, published online May 02, 2014; doi: 10.1142/S0218271814500588 Educate yourself. Not emotional. Just bored, sick and tired of the presupposition nonsense you keep pushing ad nauseum ![]() I'm starting to get the feeling you either don't understand what I am saying or you just rush over everything I say just to get the last word. I think its pretty obvious at this point that any further logical discussion will not be possible. Just a few parting points to (hopefully) put things in the proper perspective, 1> You do not get to claim "creation". This is "begging the question". "A creation needs a creator" is completely fallacious assertion. Instead one might simply ask, "How did the universe get here or was it always here?" 2> Atheists do not need an alternative to magic and superstition. It is enough to simply NOT believe the claims are supported with facts and evidence. Souls, miracles, prophecies, prayer, spirits, blessings, mystical experiences and the rest mean absolutely nothing until facts and evidences for these things are presented. When facts and evidence are presented, then they will not be mystical any longer. Wow! Its just so simple ![]() 3> There are no valid arguments from the sciences: Physics, Psychology, Sociology, Cosmology, Biology, Chemistry, Earth science, Archaeology, Anthropology, Mathematics, Logic, Astronomy, Statistics, or any other sciences that asserts proof of the existence of one particular god out of the millions of gods postulated throughout human existence. None! (You can do yourself a favor by stopping the pretence and avoid looking completely stupid by not using examples from the sciences). Again, you don't get to just blindly assert crap! Open your eyes and realize you are in darkness just like everyone else. Stop pretending that monsters, ghosts, gods etc exist. It makes you look like an idiot. Sincerely. It is my prayer for you, that on a very good day, you'll look back at this thread and read it from beginning to end, realizing how truly hilarious, semantic, fallacious, juvenile and ridiculous your arguments were. Till then, farewell! I cannot afford to keep beating a dead horse. PS: For the love of your imaginary god, put a leash on your little doggy blabbermouth and rein him in. I really don't have to engage simpletons on this thread, do I? 4 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Who Created God? by Nobody: 3:14pm On Sep 28, 2019 |
Blabbermouth:[img]https://media1./images/270b2ef1070569dc44a100a9c18cdf63/tenor.gif[/img] SMHLOL. Is you arse bleeding yet from riding shadeyinka's rod ever so ferociously ![]() Au contraire, my good man! First, i admit "Who created god" is a dumb question (no offense to OP if reading this). Second, "How did god come about?" (which the question should be) or The Fantabulous Mystery of Infinite Regression is a question for theists, not atheists. You have got it the wrong way around. According to the evidence of scientific laws, masses and masses of evidence, these descriptions of reality always apply, and one of the most fundamental of them says that mass/energy cannot be created. Accordingly, proposals from cosmologists, whose field of scientific study covers this question, do not propose that the universe was ever created. The proposal of the initial singularity says that a massive gravitational singularity already existed at the time of the Big Bang. This is often coupled with the proposal that the mass and space-time of the universe has always existed (for all time), it had no beginning. This proposal is perfectly consistent with all of the available indirect evidence. It would mean that "all time" is not eternity, it is only the 13.8 billion years since the Big Bang. So, in summary, the proposal is that the universe was initially a massive gravitational singularity 13.8 billion years ago, but then it expanded. In contrast, the idea that god created the universe out of nothing (creatio ex nihilo) has become central to Judaism, Christianity and Islam. This proposal of religions, that a god created the universe from nothing, and that the universe requires a creator, is a violation of the law that mass/energy cannot be created. It also suffers regression. So, once again, blubber-brain blabbermouth, it's the proposals from religion that suffer this issue much more than those from cosmologists, because their proposals must conform to the laws of physics! After all, as is often said colloquially (and even by yourself on this thread), "you can't get something from nothing". Atheism is simply a position of indifference on the matter of gods based on lack of evidence and is thus not bothered by the question. Sorry. REFS=> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_cosmology https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_singularity https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harthe-Hawking_state https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_1:1#English_translation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_of_the_universe Oh, and... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4dm6iGjYjs As far as I know...Yep... Says it all really ![]() ![]() You've accomplished nothing here besides pointless ramblings and holding faithfully onto your fellow man's nuts in the absence of any reasonable additions/contributions to this topic from your end. Then you pat yourself on the back, and puff your chest out as if you've said something profound, rather than just pissed your own pants in the playground, and seem inexplicably proud of it. Well obviously there's only one explanation: you're a trolling mor0n. You're certainly not the first theist and/or apologist to post overly verbose vapid nonsense of course, but your posts just seem to scream "trolling clown!". I award you no points for your exuberant foolishness, and may your imaginary god have mercy on your imaginary soul. Now turn around and just keep walking. Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya! ![]() ![]() 7 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Who Created God? by Vic2Ree(m): 3:32pm On Sep 28, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Spoken like a true christard. LoL! Ogbeni, quit sucking your own dick. I don't even need to debate. Let no man deceive you, dem don dey school ur dumbass tey tey i just dey here dey laugh u ![]() Go grab ur nobel award and stop claiming Ph.D in Physics on Nairaland ![]() ![]() cc. MJBOLT come take a look at this loser. LMFAO 1 Like |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 3:53pm On Sep 28, 2019 |
LordReed:Always read for comprehension! Five journal paper references backing the quoted sentence and it's still a speculation to you. SMH! Then, don't take it serious as you take BBT seriously or gravitational singleton or quantum fluctuation etc. You can't break the ladder you intend to climb. The only alternative is if the word "Isolated system" doesn't even exist! |
Re: Who Created God? by dragonflyy(m): 3:58pm On Sep 28, 2019 |
5 pages of endless claims with 0 evidence. atheists 222 theists 0 2 Likes |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 3:59pm On Sep 28, 2019 |
Vic2Ree:Your temper tantrum doesn't move anyone. That's exactly how your master behaves...."Like a toothless roaring lion". My 100L physics is good enough for you: you are angry you couldn't find COPY-PASTE to answer for your folly! SMH! |
Re: Who Created God? by Vic2Ree(m): 4:09pm On Sep 28, 2019 |
shadeyinka:And now the scientist has departed and the true religious dogmatist rears his head. LoL!. You just mad you can't prove ur Jehovah even with all ur physics. Olodo oponu. LMFAO! ![]() ![]() My 100L physics is good enough for you: you are angry you couldn't find COPY-PASTE to answer for your folly! SMH!Who's sounding mad now? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Re: Who Created God? by LordReed(m): 4:46pm On Sep 28, 2019 |
shadeyinka: And did you check any of the references? SMH. Check the references and quote even one that says the universe is an isolated system. |
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