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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by DeRuggedProf: 5:40pm On Sep 29, 2019
meshpips:


Those that are close to me got this trade recommendation when price was trading between 5.80 - 6.00

Abeg make I leave this device battery to charge and see whether I can get a little shut eye.

You stated this on this forum explicitly.
I can remember very well.

For me, I have some selected stocks I trade.
No matter how enticing a stick looks like, if it is not on my trading list, I wish the passenger good luck.
I then set a tracker on it for future inclusion.
The sine wave is immortal, no cause for alarm, nothing can alter human behavoiur, God does not compete with Infinix or Techno, so I am always patient with the first model he built with sinusoidal emotions... grin

I did wrongly state here, more than a year back that some 2nd tier banks may never fall below N2.00 again, but we are now seeing FCMB and Fidelity at prices we were swearing then if we ever see again, we will use our family as collateral and buy everything. If Diamond bank did not personally contract undertakers, I may have been in detention next to wema by now.

People will again become erratic after some tier two names cross N2.50.

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by pluto09(m): 6:30pm On Sep 29, 2019
RabbiDoracle:


Honeywell bottom was at the same time with all others. 16th August 2019.

FA doesn't look good na. But with TA, it can still fly.


Honeywell is definitely for the TA people....... those who will buy and be watching their back everyday, lol grin

For FA, it is a no go area......
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by BullBearMkt(m): 6:32pm On Sep 29, 2019
RabbiDoracle:


Honeywell bottom was at the same time with all others. 16th August 2019.

FA doesn't look good na. But with TA, it can still fly.
...because the FA was bad, that's why you had the price testing the all time low. & there comes a time when it will start strengthening, range a while and later pick up
grin grin grin grin grin

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by swilo: 7:01pm On Sep 29, 2019
onegentleguy:


@Swilo u posted @ past 2 am, so u no dey sleep? wink cheesy grin
...abi Mr Ohlson no gree u sleep? smiley wink cheesy

Anyway the ALTMAN Z-SCORE should be a much better valuation tool to imploy on companies that are highly leveraged like TRANSCORP.
1st off, it helps u to gauge a coys credit worthiness as a way of testing their liquidity strength.
...then u can benchmark their current value accretion(value behind the price) against surrounding risk(risk-return in view) to see whether they suite ur investment personality.
Note the phrase: "suite ur investment personality"

With TRANSCORP, PIOTROSKI F-SCORE(top and bottom line stance measured against its value proposition) is relatively healthy...
While current OHLSONS O-SCORE doesn't show any form of distress risk...

Regards.

Lol... Na night I dey take read and study o. When the battalions are asleep.
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by maishai: 7:06pm On Sep 29, 2019
Any TA for oando
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by TraDeRR: 7:41pm On Sep 29, 2019
@BBM good evening boss, just 1 question ( as you never cover that aspect for my technical analysis class.. make I ask you here )

1) is it not possible for prices of stock to rise and ASI above Ichimoku cloud without volume ?
Because I saw volumes during the bear period but prices were going down.. what if sellers don sell finish ?
To me I think when there’s no volume that is when stocks rallies.. because buyers will have no choice than to buy at the available prices..
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Agbalowomeri: 7:53pm On Sep 29, 2019
Access na Baba
See weekly tearing away while Guaranty daily finding it difficult to stay above daily cloud grin

Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Agbalowomeri: 7:56pm On Sep 29, 2019
Guaranty on the daily
Abeg e do grin

Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Agbalowomeri: 8:02pm On Sep 29, 2019
Zenith looks bullish on the short-term with the inverted hammer above the daily cloud
Where is Mendes, ya candidate Lol grin

Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Princkez: 8:14pm On Sep 29, 2019
Valueinvestor:

Only one undecided
yes my brother and if it clicks
..hmmmm
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by BullBearMkt(m): 8:51pm On Sep 29, 2019
TraDeRR:
@BBM good evening boss, just 1 question ( as you never cover that aspect for my technical analysis class.. make I ask you here )

1) is it not possible for prices of stock to rise and ASI above Ichimoku cloud without volume ?
Because I saw volumes during the bear period but prices were going down.. what if sellers don sell finish ?
To me I think when there’s no volume that is when stocks rallies.. because buyers will have no choice than to buy at the available prices..
...good evening my sister.
Your Ichimoku question should have been directed to @Agba, e be like say him don find love for the Japanese crawling way of trading cheesy
To simply answer your question - price can rise without volume - this is momentum rally. However, the rise might not last long due to lack of required force to further push the price up. It's like a car without petrol, it can move - when pushed with required force or put on neutral on a steep downward road & you know that will not take it far. But with enough petrol, you can travel with the car from Lagos to Kaduna.

When you have increase in price while price is falling, it indicates the presence of many sellers forcefully selling off the asset. This will definitely cause the price to decline; those buying could be other traders/investors or market makers. & when there are less sellers with many ready to buy at the current price, price begin to rise again.
grin grin grin grin grin

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by TraDeRR: 9:08pm On Sep 29, 2019
BullBearMkt:

...good evening my sister.
Your Ichimoku question should have been directed to @Agba, e be like say him don find love for the Japanese crawling way of trading cheesy
To simply answer your question - price can rise without volume - this is momentum rally. However, the rise might not last long due to lack of required force to further push the price up. It's like a car without petrol, it can move - when pushed with required force or put on neutral on a steep downward road & you know that will not take it far. But with enough petrol, you can travel with the car from Lagos to Kaduna.

When you have increase in price while price is falling, it indicates the presence of many sellers forcefully selling off the asset. This will definitely cause the price to decline; those buying could be other traders/investors or market makers. & when there are less sellers with many ready to buy at the current price, price begin to rise again.
grin grin grin grin grin

You are right again.. Thank you
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by TraDeRR: 9:16pm On Sep 29, 2019
I remembered what happened to me 2017 crazy bull.. I was bidding diamond till above 2 naira before I got some units and continue to bid till 3.45.. when the volume appeared, na bear follow..
That was why I asked th question.. nse if there’s excess units available, na crash dey follow..
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by TraDeRR: 9:52pm On Sep 29, 2019
I need that 2017 bull again.. I have never seen such before shocked.. no stock was left out..
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Nobody: 10:43pm On Sep 29, 2019
TraDeRR:
I need that 2017 bull again.. I have never seen such before shocked.. no stock was left out..
don't worry,NSE will give us independence bull!
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Valueinvestor: 10:45pm On Sep 29, 2019
BullBearMkt:

...because the FA was bad, that's why you had the price testing the all time low. & there comes a time when it will start strengthening, range a while and later pick up
grin grin grin grin grin
Correct sir, q1 showing some improvement,revenue up by 7.1% ,PAT also up 5.9%,q2 likely to be a major determining factor.

"Large amount of money aren't made by buying what everybody likes,they are made by buying what everybody underestimates" - Howard Mark.

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Nobody: 10:48pm On Sep 29, 2019
RabbiDoracle:


There is what advanced traders do : they place huge offers to scare the weak hands. A Kilimanjaro of offers. If you get money, try and mop. Then you see the broker withdraw those offers.

But the essence is to make people to panic and bring out their volumes for sale.

It happened in Access last week. High wall of offers, weak hands brought out their volumes and it got mopped up. Later offers vanished. That jus how big boys buy during bullish market.

During bearish market, the reverse happens. They place Mount Everest type of bids. Na lie o. Dem wan sell. So you see more people starting to buy and increasing their bids. They will just be selling to them grin

In Chess, it is called Decoy. You are lured to the gallows grin

I shouldn't be explaining these.

you play chess?
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Valueinvestor: 10:51pm On Sep 29, 2019
pluto09:



Agba strategy to enter market in November is not to buy stocks at their lowest price........

Buy high, sell higher gang. grin
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Valueinvestor: 11:00pm On Sep 29, 2019
Princkez:
yes my brother and if it clicks
..hmmmm
What if it goes the other way sir.

Was just wondering if all the even players in Manchester united were all strikers,or all defenders . grin

Dont mind me bro please stick to what works for you,its just that me i cannot come and die because of one stock o
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by chillykelly86(m): 11:59pm On Sep 29, 2019
locodemy:


Oh I see.Let prices come down a bit to trigger volume.some stocks prices are not right now and that's why volume is not seen.

I need to learn something on this price and volume.

It works both ways Sir.

Buyers of volume want the prices down so they can buy volumes, while sellers of volumes are not satisfied with the current bids and want the prices up so that they can supply volumes.
At any point in time, the market price is a fair price(give and take) for the stock...
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by onegentleguy: 12:16am On Sep 30, 2019
onegentleguy:
THE CURRENT 'TRAVAILS' OF PZ NIG PLC !!

A few days ago, I told some folks that I'd rather accumulate more UACN than PZ, given their current market prices.
Well, PZ just released its Q1 2019/2020 result with a material gap down across all KEY revenue and earnings line.

Key highlights:

• Contracting margins(PBT & NET MARGIN in view) following the offset of stiffer competition from lower price points.
...with PAT MARGIN declining by near an alarming 436% printing a LOSS of over N1.1B in the period under review.
But for the zero tax expense(which it currently enjoys via a tax exempt relief) the loss position would've been far higher.

• Decelerating revenue(despite a relatively stable price regime) following a visible struggle for volume push.

• Though the coys QUICK RATIO of 0.6 smacks off a healthy short term liquidity stance, its CURRENT RATIO peg of 1.6 shows that something is just not right with PZ earnings drive.
...3 things are at play here:

1st off, it suggest that the company has been struggling to squeeze out earnings from its longer duration current asset play.
On that line, inventory position has been gulping up... reflective in the poor inventory turnover.
Elsewhere, the coy is also not getting any positive offset of value from its prepaid expense. Again, reflective in the worrisome A/C receivable turnover.
The struggle for sales margin(given higher inventory and lower receivables) has forced management to allow for more repayment period to debtors by over a 1/2 in the last 2 yrs.
Both lines have resulted in the difficulty with building higher net income from gross revenue.

By the way, the CURRENT RATIO peg of 1.6 means that for every N10 of current liability in its book, the company will require approx N16 of current asset to settle it.
Put differently, PZ currently expands 60% more for its near term obligations/liabilities than it earns over the same period.
A strong case for the view that the company is presently working more for its creditors and far less for its shareholders.

• The company hasn't managed to optimize cost(cost savings accruals in view).
...save for the gains from a lower admin expense by circa 2350bps(the resultant effect of lower vol drive occasioned by higher inventory from weaker sales and a possible downsizing of its workforce) all KEY cost line(CoS, opex margin) inched up.

• On the profitability/earnings front, the group lost 23k more than it did just 3 months ago.
Elsewhere, EM, ROAE, ROAA, RoIC, AsQ and AsY all pointed downwards, with some printing negative figures.

• Though the coys OHLSONS O-SCORE shows that there is no immediate worry of default(distress risk in view), its ALTMAN Z-SCORE points to a higher credit risk weighting with a far less value drive behind the current price.
To further lend credence to that, the coys PIOTROSKI F-SCORE suggest a value trap !!(value behind the price in view)

Using a combination of certain key valuation model at an assumed same relative growth rate with Q1, and adjusting for a sufficient risk premium(taking into a/c near term surrounding impact), I have FVE of N4.29(@ the point when likely reward would overtake risk)
...which translates to a sell given current market price.

This is what I'll do if I hold a position in the coy. ...especially if my strategic play with it does not fit into a long term plan.
...but that's just me.

DISCLAIMER: The views expressed in this analysis was drawn from PZ' latest financial print.
The interpretation therefore should only be that of a view, and NOT a recommendation.

My advice: Do well to follow ur instinct.

On a side note, certain financial variants are pointing to the plausibility that this coy might turn out to be a take over candidate in future.(perhaps the CONTINENTAL RE or NEWREST ASL style)
It's important to note that minority shareholders hold just a minot approx 229M units out of just over 26.7% of the coys OS held with several investors.
The parent company, PZ CUSSONS UK LTD holds the balance of over 73.2% stake.


Salah.

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by onegentleguy: 12:18am On Sep 30, 2019
onegentleguy:


I'd rather buy more UACN than PZ, given their near mkt price range.

Over a broad and well adjudged P2P analysis UACN is still ahead of PZ both on earnings/return and cashflow drive.(possible cap appreciation and dividend returns in view)
...well, at least for now.
UACN' near competitor in that line is now FLOURMILLS(risk-adjusted value accretion in view)

Regards.

Cc: @ Obagadaffi, @ Mr Hector @ Ekenegold
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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Nobody: 1:17am On Sep 30, 2019
onegentleguy:


@Swilo u posted @ past 2 am, so u no dey sleep? wink cheesy grin
...abi Mr Ohlson no gree u sleep? smiley wink cheesy

Anyway the ALTMAN Z-SCORE should be a much better valuation tool to imploy on companies that are highly leveraged like TRANSCORP.
1st off, it helps u to gauge a coys credit worthiness as a way of testing their liquidity strength.



...then u can benchmark their current value accretion(value behind the price) against surrounding risk(risk-return in view) to see whether they suite ur investment personality.
Note the phrase: "suite ur investment personality"

With TRANSCORP, PIOTROSKI F-SCORE(top and bottom line stance measured against its value proposition) is relatively healthy...
While current OHLSONS O-SCORE doesn't show any form of distress risk...

Regards.






The problem with valuation metrics is that even intrinsic value is a relative concept. The calculation of intrinsic value depends on many assumptions. We have to assume that the financial statements are a true reflection of the profitability. We have to assume that the person who built the valuation model knew what he was doing. We have to assume that “all things will remain constant”. We have to assume that the currency we use to measure the value, won’t be debased by deliberate Central Bank action. We also have to assume that the market will realise the difference between the market price and the calculated or assumed value and will move towards intrinsic value.

Then, we also have to assume that all the other people, whose models indicate much lower intrinsic values, made the wrong assumptions and used the wrong models. In other words, all of them are wrong and I am the only one who made the correct assumptions.

Before you use this model to invest you hard-earned money, try it on you wife first. See how well your assumptions work in your relationship before you put your money on it.

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Nobody: 7:17am On Sep 30, 2019
Agbalowomeri:
Guaranty on the daily
Abeg e do grin

Only GTB, Stanbic, ETI and FBN have 1D timeframe that have not yet turned bullish. But all their 4H have turned bullish.

The big caps should be leading the ASI rise because most of if them have bottomed out.

Stocks don waka.

I don't usually explain this much on NL but I had to so as to allay people's fears. People need to hold tight. The worst was over in August 2019.
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Nobody: 7:22am On Sep 30, 2019
Godlylifeoneart:







The problem with valuation metrics is that even intrinsic value is a relative concept. The calculation of intrinsic value depends on many assumptions. We have to assume that the financial statements are a true reflection of the profitability. We have to assume that the person who built the valuation model knew what he was doing. We have to assume that “all things will remain constant”. We have to assume that the currency we use to measure the value, won’t be debased by deliberate Central Bank action. We also have to assume that the market will realise the difference between the market price and the calculated or assumed value and will move towards intrinsic value.

Then, we also have to assume that all the other people, whose models indicate much lower intrinsic values, made the wrong assumptions and used the wrong models. In other words, all of them are wrong and I am the only one who made the correct assumptions.

Before you use this model to invest you hard-earned money, try it on you wife first. See how well your assumptions work in your relationship before you put your money on it.

We must make assumptions in everything we do in life.

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Nobody: 7:24am On Sep 30, 2019
Valueinvestor:


Buy high, sell higher gang. grin

The Greater Fool theory. grin
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Nobody: 7:24am On Sep 30, 2019
DOLLARTEX:
you play chess?

Yes.

e4..... Make your move.
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Agbalowomeri: 7:25am On Sep 30, 2019
RabbiDoracle:


Only GTB, Stanbic, ETI and FBN have 1D timeframe that have not yet turned bullish. But all their 4H have turned bullish.

The big caps should be leading the ASI rise because most of if them have bottomed out.

Stocks don waka.

I don't usually explain this much on NL but I had to so as to allay people's fears. People need to hold tight. The worst was over in August 2019.

Bros oracle abeg what happens in fx stays in fx
4H for nse stocks Lol grin
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Nobody: 7:57am On Sep 30, 2019
Agbalowomeri:


Bros oracle abeg what happens in fx stays in fx
4H for nse stocks Lol grin

grin grin

We shall see soon if the market is bearish or bullish. Till November abi?
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Agbalowomeri: 8:00am On Sep 30, 2019
RabbiDoracle:


grin grin

We shall see soon if the market is bearish or bullish. Till November abi?

I don't know what the market is doing Lol, probably trying to consolidate
But definitely not bullish grin
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by TraDeRR: 8:03am On Sep 30, 2019
DOLLARTEX:
don't worry,NSE will give us independence bull!

Can’t wait!

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