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Re: Who Created God? by jamesid29(m): 11:01pm On Oct 02, 2019 |
tintingz:A beginning when it came into existence ,around 13.7 billion yrs ago...give or take a couple hundred million yrs. |
Re: Who Created God? by tintingz(m): 12:59am On Oct 03, 2019 |
jamesid29:Yes so..., What then is the gravitational singularity? |
Re: Who Created God? by jamesid29(m): 1:38am On Oct 03, 2019 |
tintingz:Could you elaborate on your question? Are you asking if our universe actually started out as a singularity? or you just want to know what a gravitational singularity is? |
Re: Who Created God? by tintingz(m): 2:46am On Oct 03, 2019 |
jamesid29: It's a state where the universe becomes infinite, if this is the case when was it created? |
Re: Who Created God? by jamesid29(m): 4:46am On Oct 03, 2019 |
tintingz:Hmmm, that's incorrect ... I think you've got ur models mixed up... Or do u mean to say when the universe was infinitely dense? |
Re: Who Created God? by LordReed(m): 6:51am On Oct 03, 2019 |
shadeyinka: End of discussion. 3 Likes |
Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 7:22am On Oct 03, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Dude, do you read to respond? I seem to remember telling you something along the lines of "Your lying and crap arguments will work with your fellow christians, not atheists". You're the one who blew the statement out of proportion, twisting the facts and making strawmen. I never stated that theists were rude to atheists. If i did, you can fact check me and show me a screenshot. If i did not, well, i guess this further proves (and even you can see) why everyone is calling you a liar. |
Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 7:42am On Oct 03, 2019 |
Please can everyone participating in this thread help me answer this:
Is it more logical and intellectually honest to
a) Believe in something you can not know
OR
b) Withdraw belief in something you can not know XxSabrinaxX LordReed Budaatum Jamesid92 Tintingz Martinez39 Shadeyinka |
Re: Who Created God? by tintingz(m): 8:35am On Oct 03, 2019 |
jamesid29:What again is our argument? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_singularity |
Re: Who Created God? by tintingz(m): 9:01am On Oct 03, 2019 |
TheArranger:"I may not know" would be ok for me. The word "believe" is something without proof. If something has some evidence pointing to it, I can still believe or hold to it possibility but if it has no evidence, full of contradictions I've no reason to believe in it. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 9:06am On Oct 03, 2019 |
TheArranger:The "You cannot know" is a finality! If certainly it is true "you can't know" then the second position is more honest. The second case is a case of "personal research/inference while the first may be actually a position of ignorance. First case: you had never even believed Second case: you had erroneously believed |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 9:07am On Oct 03, 2019 |
TheArranger:I honestly don't know what the argument is about with you. You laid an accusation and you expect a mute response!? |
Re: Who Created God? by Nobody: 9:09am On Oct 03, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Shadeyinka, I have skimmed through your most recent response and found nothing intelligible to reply to. Thus, I am terminating MY OWN contributions to this thread. You've even admitted on this thread that you can not prove and you've not even been trying to which goes to show that this whole debate has been a fat waste of my time. It is a big red flag you keep completely ignoring the fact that you are repeatedly using known logical fallacies in your polemic for a deity. Even if you didn't know what they were before, you must know by now as they've been pointed out and explained to you again and again, yet you just roll right past repeating the same fallacies. Do you not see that any debate is over in the face of such duplicity? Incidentally, can you link any peer reviewed work in genetics published in a worthy scientific journal, that agrees with your assumption that it requires a supernatural cause? (Perhaps, if you can accomplish this, i will return to the debate) I could also point to your dishonest misrepresentation of atheism and agnosticism, which long ago could no longer be assigned to ignorance or willful stupidity, as this has also been explained with references to the Oxford English dictionary. You needn't answer of course, as we already know your claim for scientific support is as ludicrous a lie as your dishonest claim for sound logical argument. Or your asinine claims that lie about the meaning of atheism and agnosticism. No one here is perfect. I don't claim to be the epitome of honesty. But if YOU can't muster any basic integrity, then what do you hope to gain in any debate? You surely can't believe all opponents you face here will be fooled by such obvious dishonesty. 4 Likes |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 9:10am On Oct 03, 2019 |
LordReed:You can only know the SOURCE! Neither can anyone DISPROVE the SOURCE Empirically! With which instrument or equipment will you use to prove or disprove the Source? 1 Like |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 9:13am On Oct 03, 2019 |
LordReed:Except for a miracle. They are gone forever. All children of the neighborhood played together. This is not possible in the days with everyone having their cartoon network studio at home |
Re: Who Created God? by LordReed(m): 9:13am On Oct 03, 2019 |
TheArranger: B is certainly more logical and intellectually honest. The religious especially pastors, tell you to believe despite evidence to the contrary. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Who Created God? by LordReed(m): 9:15am On Oct 03, 2019 |
shadeyinka: Which part of end do you have a problem with? The e or the d? 1 Like |
Re: Who Created God? by LordReed(m): 9:16am On Oct 03, 2019 |
shadeyinka: What are you on about? |
Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 9:20am On Oct 03, 2019 |
shadeyinka:I don't know what it is with you either. You're pointlessly dragging an irrelevant issue. You laid an accusation and you expect a mute response!?And i've asked you to screenshot the accusation you claim. Are you obsessed with pointless squabbles? |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 9:24am On Oct 03, 2019 |
XxSabrinaxX:Not surprised at your stereotyped atheistic response. Typical pretence and Hyena-like scorn to that which you've not processed is your logo. A rebuttal is what is needed not a meaningless emotional response! 2 Likes |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 9:26am On Oct 03, 2019 |
LordReed:I don't understand you? |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 9:29am On Oct 03, 2019 |
LordReed:Can you disprove the source Empirically? Only a dishonest fellow will avoid saying the answer! 1 Like |
Re: Who Created God? by LordReed(m): 9:31am On Oct 03, 2019 |
shadeyinka: What is the relevance of: shadeyinka: |
Re: Who Created God? by LordReed(m): 9:32am On Oct 03, 2019 |
shadeyinka: LMFAO! End of discussion is end of discussion. |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 9:41am On Oct 03, 2019 |
TheArranger: TheArranger: If there is a Logical or Scientific or other defences, rebut or otherwise then let's have it rather than accusations of what Atheists or Theists did on NL. |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 9:43am On Oct 03, 2019 |
LordReed:There must have been a mistake in response to threads. Someone asked if the days before the Indomie Generation can be back in Nigeria. |
Re: Who Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 9:46am On Oct 03, 2019 |
LordReed:No shame. Like a hyenas: always avoiding the Light. I assume you have nothing meaningful to say again as answering a question is tantamount to self destruction! Bye for now. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 9:50am On Oct 03, 2019 |
shadeyinka:No one can prove or disprove a source empirically. And that is why we should not conclude at least not yet, that there is a source. It is more reasonable to withhold belief. If you knew anything about the burden of proof, you wouldn't be asking such nonsense. 1 Like |
Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 9:53am On Oct 03, 2019 |
LordReed:Lol. Dude has started ranting and throwing boring shades. He's getting emotional. Smh |
Re: Who Created God? by TheArranger(m): 9:59am On Oct 03, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Wtf is this? What is the accusation here? Can you listen to yourself? I stated that theists use advanced science to assault theists and claim that their favourite god exists. I stated the reasons why this was amusing and pointed out the fact that some theists dismiss science as a way of proving god. You know what? I give up with you. Go and enjoy your god. |
Re: Who Created God? by Ihedinobi3: 10:14am On Oct 03, 2019 |
tintingz:First, self-existent is what any true God is. That is just a definition, not a technical proof. In other words, a true God is anything that is self-existent. Second, I said that the Bible claims that the God that Christians worship is the true God, that is, that He is self-existent. The proof that it offers for this claim is the universe around us. Third, is it your opinion that the universe around us is not empirical enough proof of the Trinity? Why is it not? Fourth, is it your opinion that we cannot know if the universe changes from one qualitative state to another unless we know every last thing there is to know about it? Fifth, what is the point of your reference to the law of conservation of energy? Sixth, I said both that a true God is invulnerable to external influence and thus does not change and that the Bible claims that the Trinity does not change. Which of those statements are you challenging with your question? And what precisely is your challenge? Why do you seem incredulous about it? |
Re: Who Created God? by LordReed(m): 10:21am On Oct 03, 2019 |
TheArranger: Very yawn inducing. |
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