Eruditor:


Stop changing mouth.

You was there when Pep won the league. You met Madrid who had not won in 2 seasons and still got bitch-slapped by Pep.

Mourinho league title was the first for Madrid in 4 seasons. That's the fact. He did not inherit a team that won the previous championship by 24fecking point like your fraud did at Bayern

kendrick93:
the one where he was out for half of that season with injury?

Softly dey lie

Messi 08/09 31 league games 23 goals
Messi 07/08 28 league games 10 goals

3 games difference increased goals by 13

sleekdot:


Muller scored his highest number of goals under Pep Guardiola
Robben said he improved under Pep like he never did under any other coach(He played under Mourinho and Ancelotti)

Should we add those to pep achievement at Bayern?

Same way City players had passed their peak.

Same reason Mou ran after his Inter treble. That team had passed their peak.

Same reason Avram Grant could get to a UCL final. He was using those players at their peak.

Same reason Mou was fired at Chelsea in 15/16. Because he was not maximising the peak of his players.

He even wanted to claim they were past it.

spillo1:

Should we add those to pep achievement at Bayern?

Player improvement is one of the goals of a coach unlike one Mourinho where attacking players get worse under him

spillo1:

Mourinho league title was the first for Madrid in 4 seasons. That's the fact. He did not inherit a team that won the previous championship by 24fecking point like your fraud did at Bayern

Mou inherited a team that had 96pts.

When Mou came Barca had only won 2 la ligas not 3


Liar

kendrick93:
na so...that martinez- Bastian combo was so good but Pep destroyed that midfield before it even got started...he even stunted Alaba's growth by shifting him all over the pitch....
I remembered Alaba was the best LB in europe under Juup....
Alaba has still not hit those heights ever since

Now they want to claim the team had already peaked when guardiola rubbish style was hindering the team. Pep ruined Bayern

TLona1:
With the look of things at present, even if Pep had won the UCL in Bayern, these people would have still looked for some excuses that will undermine that achievement.

Of course.

Because they have done same for Barca.

That is why I never take the UCL arguments seriously.

spillo1:

Now they want to claim the team had already peaked when guardiola rubbish style was hindering the team. Pep ruined Bayern

His players said they played their best football under him
His employers said they played some of the best football they have ever seen under him

But it was Guardiola hindering them. How did the same Schweini perform at United immediately after leaving Bayern

kendrick93:
imagine...Messi wey I don hear since 2005 to be next maradona....
As at 2007 there were already calls that he was going to be the greatest player ever.... Messi was already amongst the best players In the world before anybody for this world even know they were calling Pep...
Hahhaaha....

Don't mind dayo. Messi was a generational talent right from his debut at Barca. He is spreading fallacy

sleekdot:


This generational talent did not score 20 goals a season before Pep

The evidence is there for everyone to see. Messi production before Pep and after Pep

Messi 06/07 - 17 goals in all competition
Messi 07/08 - 16 goals in all competition

Enter Pep Guardiola

Messi 08/09 - 38 goals in all compeition (More than doubled previous season)
Messi 09/10 - 47 goals in all competition
Messi 10/11 - 53 goals in all competition

You are spreading fallacy. Messi is a generational talent Be careful. Which other Messi has pep created?

patrickmuf:
Dayo said after Bayern's treble, the players were out of their peak period by making reference to the fact that they peaked when they won the treble...

So,why can't Mou failure to win the UCL in Madrid be tied to the fact that the players then had not reached the peak of their career?

Now, this is me pointing out the selectivity in application of certain logic in the whole argument you guys have been having here...

Patrick be honest,

RM were at their peak under Mou.

He used his agbero style to destroy it.

He did same with Chelsea (15/16)

spillo1:

Now they want to claim the team had already peaked when guardiola rubbish style was hindering the team. Pep ruined Bayern

ah swear....
He wanted to bring Tika taka to bunch of 'German machines' and he ended up costing that team at least one more CL glory..
Can you imagine jurgen klopp managing that team after.....mehn that would have been crazy

kendrick93:
ah swear....
He wanted to bring Tika taka to bunch of 'German machines' and he ended up costing that team at least one more CL glory..
Can you imagine jurgen klopp managing that team after.....mehn that would have been crazy

We saw Juup and Ancelotti managing that team and they didnt make a final

kendrick93:
na so...that martinez- Bastian combo was so good but Pep destroyed that midfield before it even got started...he even stunted Alaba's growth by shifting him all over the pitch....
I remembered Alaba was the best LB in europe under Juup....
Alaba has still not hit those heights ever since

Hahaha haha

Dumboclat.

Alaba has never had it better than under Pep.

Destroyed. Lol.

What about Joshua Kimmich?

Fernandinho and Bernado are being destroyed too.

Eruditor:


Madrid peaked 2003 and signed poorly to replace those players so they suffered. From 2007, the new rebuilding process took shape and by 2009 that team was reaching its peak. Pellegrini had 96pts with that team. They fired him because they felt he was not fully maximising the peak of the team so they hired Mou. He did only one better by winning league. He did not maximise the team so he too was fired. Then Carlo and Zidane did the rest.

Pep met Barca that had passed their peak. Rijkaard signed aged already established players and they helped him from 2003-2006. By 2007 they lost their way. They let him try but by 2008 it was clear he could not maximise their potential so they fired him. Which is where the story gets interesting. They wanted a manager to maximise the team's potential but Pep said I will get rid of Ronnie..Deco etc and rebuild. Enjoy the ride.

That is why your structure argument was rubbish. That is why your Mou and UCL arguments are rubbish.

No need for long Epistles .
For the six seasons before Mourinho came to Madrid, tell us the round in which they were eliminated from the Champions league that's all I asked you

spillo1:

You are spreading fallacy. Messi is a generational talent Be careful. Which other Messi has pep created?

bring your facts out and lets see. Pep based on the facts above made the Messi we know today. Changed the Messi 16 goals a season winger to the Messi forward 40goals a season

sleekdot:


Player improvement is one of the goals of a coach unlike one Mourinho where attacking players get worse under him

Should I list players who had their best goal output under Mourinho?

sleekdot:


We saw Juup and Ancelotti managing that team and they didnt make a final

They were already on their last legs by then....
I believe robbery were over 33 when Carlo took over? Lahm also retired shortly after

spillo1:

You are spreading fallacy. Messi is a generational talent Be careful. Which other Messi has pep created?

Sterling before Pep was a single digit goals scoring player.

With pep he has established himself as a double-digit goal scoring option

This argument no dey end?

spillo1:

Now they want to claim the team had already peaked when guardiola rubbish style was hindering the team. Pep ruined Bayern

That team from 2009-2013. Peaks of teams usually don't last beyond 4 seasons. After it you have to rebuild.

spillo1:

Should I list players who had their best goal output under Mourinho?

List 5 let me list 5 for Pep

kendrick93:
ah swear....
He wanted to bring Tika taka to bunch of 'German machines' and he ended up costing that team at least one more CL glory..
Can you imagine jurgen klopp managing that team after.....mehn that would have been crazy

Klopp managed Dortmund that he got to a finals with and almost relegated them before he left.

Lol

Eruditor:


Mou inherited a team that had 96pts.

When Mou came Barca had only won 2 la ligas not 3


Liar

Mourinho league title was the first for Madrid in 4 seasons. Are you disputing that?

sleekdot:


Softly dey lie

Messi 08/09 31 league games 23 goals
Messi 07/08 28 league games 10 goals

3 games difference increased goals by 13

would Messi have been the player he is with or without pep?
Absolutely

kendrick93:
would Messi have been the player he is with or without pep?
Absolutely

Without Pep changing Messis role on the field he would never be a 40goals a season attacker. The facts are staring you in the face

spillo1:

No need for long Epistles .
For the six seasons before Mourinho came to Madrid, tell us the round in which they were eliminated from the Champions league that's all I asked you

Your question is stupid.

Let me prove it.

Before Pep what other Barca coach had won 6 titles in one season?

Why 6 years for RM? Why not 10 years?

sleekdot:


His players said they played their best football under him
His employers said they played some of the best football they have ever seen under him

But it was Guardiola hindering them. How did the same Schweini perform at United immediately after leaving Bayern

Give us another story not that they have peaked to excuse pep champions league failures.

Eruditor:


Klopp managed Dortmund that he got to a finals with and almost relegated them before he left.

Lol

Almost relegated....lol
They finished 7th
Last time I checked 7th wasnt relegation....
They were playing good football but couldn't convert their chances coupled with injuries to key players

spillo1:


Mourinho league title was the first for Madrid in 4 seasons. Are you disputing that?

You are asking for my assistance in validating a previous lie you told.

When Pep wins a UCL for City won't it be their first in whatever years? Who that one take help?

mou was there in 2010 and Barca only had 2 at the time

kendrick93:
Almost relegated....lol
They finished 7th
Last time I checked 7th wasnt relegation....
They were playing good football but couldn't convert their chances coupled with injuries to key players

Lol.

They languished in the relegation zone for long and only improved after he announced he was leaving.

The players wanted him out.

Read up before quoting me.