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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx2: 10:00am On Nov 12, 2019
samorobo:


Yes....ghanaweb should conduct their reasearch properly so then can inform readers when construction would commence...The news is not complete without that.
The news is not from ghanaweb, it is from 3news web. ......But don't worry, Ghana politicians lies but not often. the president itself is involve. I will update you as soon as possible.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Jonraid(m): 10:01am On Nov 12, 2019
Is that an achievement? Richard Branson was in Nairobi some days ago. I guess Kenyans should cheer?
samorobo:


Lol why is the bolded not happening in one of Africa's easiet place to do business "Kenya" ? grin grin


The Twitter ceo is visiting four African countries (Nigeria, South Africa, Ghana, Rwanda) and Kenya is not one of them....
He goes there today and he will surely go missing grin grin

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 10:01am On Nov 12, 2019
Austine1212:


Yes Kenya is better than Namibia in sevens, grab a glass of water and celebrate
Not only sevens even women's 15s.

The leading African women's fifteens rugby teams are:

15 South Africa

25 Kenya

34 Zambia

40 Namibia

42 Botswana

43 Madagascar

44 Zimbabwe

46 Uganda

African News Agency (ANA)
What can you say about this
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 10:08am On Nov 12, 2019
rvp2018:
Straw man childish arguments. Of course South africa rugby is on another level - but Kenya is doing better than many countries in Rugby - Kenya 7s is very good.

Main Cup winners at the 2016 Singapore Sevens
Main cup finalists at the
2009 Adelaide Sevens
2013 Wellington Sevens
2018 Canada Sevens
2018 Hong Kong Sevens
our senior players were on strike during the 2019 season but they are now back in full force. 2020 is a no joke.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 10:09am On Nov 12, 2019
1) Okay - I thought Gold minning has pretty much overtaken South Africa - so you mean all that is done by small scale miners. I think if you remove the power consumed by Gold, Bauxite, Aluminum - that will leave a lot less for household consumption. I cannot seem to lay my hands on the data...anyway I think there is distortion from mining industry.

2) Urbanization. For a country with 15M (half) urban population - you don't have consumerate cities and towns. I check Accra has 1.5m,Kumasi 1.7m, etc. but you'll admit there has to be a serious housing deficits...because a city of 1M people is huge. Mombasa for reference is about 1.2M people. Nairobi is now 4.4m. So either you statistic is doggy like Nigeria...I noticed the urbanization rate has been 50% for like forever.

3) Immigration. For a country that is growing - you should not be immigrating for opportunities or for education. That right there is contradictory. Your companies should be one immigrating - spinning multinational conglomerates.

Anyway I hope your statistics is not being cooked like Nigeria - and it well turn out --- that outside minning & natural resources - there is nothing to write home about.

vaxx2:
mining industry in Ghana is not as developed as it is obtain in South Africa. majority is still dominate by small scale miners. what consume Ghana majority electrity is the aluminium industry owned by Ghana Goverment called ""valco"". and it is just Around 1000 megawatt. As it stands , Ghana generate excess electricity than required ( but plans are under way to build bauxite refinery) Migration in Ghana has gotten a new dimension. buisness opportunity, education opportunity and most importantly economic opportunities. Ghana isn't in the 80s anymore.Urbanization in Ghana is highly influence by continuous economic growth and goverment proactive policy .This year , six regions were created as a result of goverment expansion plan to have development across the inner cities .....peace and stability is the major anchor of Ghana development and that is why Ghana must maintain it.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Jonraid(m): 10:15am On Nov 12, 2019
If the federation get its act together and end the wrangles then this boys can do more.The team has changed so much with fresh blood from inexperienced players getting in the team. Up the Shujaz! I personally prefer the sevens to the fifteens!
Shma:
Not only sevens even women's 15s.

The leading African women's fifteens rugby teams are:

15 South Africa

25 Kenya

34 Zambia

40 Namibia

42 Botswana

43 Madagascar

44 Zimbabwe

46 Uganda

African News Agency (ANA)
What can you say about this

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 10:18am On Nov 12, 2019
Nigerian are bereft of anything to be proud of.
Jonraid:
Is that an achievement? Richard Branson was in Nairobi some days ago. I guess Kenyans should cheer?

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kazikazi: 10:22am On Nov 12, 2019
vaxx2:
cosmetic are simply project done purposely for beautification and not neccasrily project done to cover development. for example, you established an electric train when TZ generate far less than capacity , just a region in Ghana, Greater Accra consume and generate far more electricity than the whole 60 million Tanzania. This directly shows Tz is lacking energy to fuel the growth of her local industry. so why electric train when local industry are in need of power consumption? such project are called cosmetic. ....
You need to go check quality road statistics, as it stands, world economic forum recently realised one ). Senegal has better road than TZ, to see more about Ghana offices and apartment , simply used the Google search.....

The real average TZ is poor and can't really afford many of the eyebrow life the goverment is trying to force on them. they are mostly created to be enjoy by the foreigners...

You don't jump on plane over night to go work abroad. An average Nigerians or Ghanaian you see in S.A can really do something back home but love of adventure coupled with opportunity forces them to live their comfort zone. It takes over 2000 dollars to travelled to south africa from west Africa and that is diffrence from basic travel allowance . Are you saying the people paying this money are really poor? Chinese/ Lebanese are also all over for the same purpose of opportunities ....They are lot of Japanese in Germany and America, not coming down to africa dosnt mean they don't look for opportunities outside their comfort zone, same things goes to Singapore. the only laid back people are mostly from gulf country ( UAE/ Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain etc) and the reasons to this is not far fetched .

Ghana isn't a small nation in land as well, it has the same geographical space as Britain. what fuel urbanization more often is largely population not necessarily land size .
You are very wrong on Tz electric sgr.
Electric sgr don't consume a lot of power.Its usually about 200 MW only.So can anyone suggest we can't have 200 MW?
Currently Tz has 1700mw. Yes its small.But most big industries in Tz use gas.I mean underground piped gas to power industries. Dangote cement plant in mtwara is one of big manufacturers who uses underground piped gas. That technology I never saw even in SA.In east Africa,no country uses underground piped gas but only Tz.So on paper written by many folks who lack engineering knowledge, they think Tz uses only 1700mw! They don't count power generated through a modern techniques of underground piping.For them,energy means electricity only! Underground piped gas is a complex stuff which they cant grasp. And that is not all,we have a big under construction hydo dam(2115mw), will be complete on 2022.Still we have others under construction like mbeya coal to power project(600mw),gas plant(kinyerezi,I,II,III,IV) and other small projects.The gov targets to have 10,000 mw by 2025.So,there is no need to worry about sufficient power!

Again u mentioned sgr as cosmetic stuff.Not true.
Tanzania isn't a small nation.Just think a distance between two largest cities in Tz,Dar to Mwanza is about 1200 kms.If one uses a bus,he will arrive a next day! There are many speed restrictions on a way.The distance from Dar to Bukoba is about 1400 kms. These are cities on shores of lake Victoria which need speed rail for simplifying Transportation.Again our electric sgr will go as far as Kigali Rwanda to Goma in DRC. All those areas has enough population to need a fast train,and again,they are far from Dar.
The other thing is the costs.Its worldwide known electric trains are cheaper to run than diesel.Many mining products, or agricultural goods which were far from the port of Dar will be competitive in a world market.We have huge reserves of minerals which need a cheap transportation to the port.We are in industrialization program which we need to support that with cheaper,efficient and fast transportation. Can all those benefits equates to a cosmetic project? The Germany,our formal colonial power built the similar railway in 1905,but back then that wasn't seen as cosmetic. Today,a century later,we are building a similar,but more modified railway which connects to more cities and neighboring nations.Can we call that cosmetic? Why can't we call cosmetic when Germans did the same 114 years back?

Again,u shouldn't say we can't afford traveling on electric trains.Just know,electric trains will be cheaper than a bus or planes between those big cities.It will be cheaper hauling stuff by electric train than lorries.

The issue of your people going to SA and other nations.You know very well no Japanese is going to seek employment or mending shoes in a street corner in SA.Although not all your people are doing same thing.But the point is,when u see many of African graduates are unemployed back home,if many goes away seeking employment, That shows there are problems either in education system, or there are problems in the economy, or there are problems in both sectors. But us Africans love lies.We would rather praise ourselves as educated(on paper) than face out two big failures in economy and education

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by gallivant: 10:32am On Nov 12, 2019
vaxx2:
cosmetic are simply project done purposely for beautification and not neccasrily project done to cover development. for example, you established an electric train when TZ generate far less than capacity , just a region in Ghana, Greater Accra consume and generate far more electricity than the whole 60 million Tanzania. This directly shows Tz is lacking energy to fuel the growth of her local industry. so why electric train when local industry are in need of power consumption? such project are called cosmetic. ....
You need to go check quality road statistics, as it stands, world economic forum recently realised one ). Senegal has better road than TZ, to see more about Ghana offices and apartment , simply used the Google search.....

The real average TZ is poor and can't really afford many of the eyebrow life the goverment is trying to force on them. they are mostly created to be enjoy by the foreigners...

You don't jump on plane over night to go work abroad. An average Nigerians or Ghanaian you see in S.A can really do something back home but love of adventure coupled with opportunity forces them to live their comfort zone. It takes over 2000 dollars to travelled to south africa from west Africa and that is diffrence from basic travel allowance . Are you saying the people paying this money are really poor? Chinese/ Lebanese are also all over for the same purpose of opportunities ....They are lot of Japanese in Germany and America, not coming down to africa dosnt mean they don't look for opportunities outside their comfort zone, same things goes to Singapore. the only laid back people are mostly from gulf country ( UAE/ Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain etc) and the reasons to this is not far fetched .

Ghana isn't a small nation in land as well, it has the same geographical space as Britain. what fuel urbanization more often is largely population not necessarily land size .

You are absolutely right. You shouldn't argue with Pseudo intellectuals who think energy means electricity and manufacturing plants use piped gas!!
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 10:40am On Nov 12, 2019
Jonraid:
If the federation get its act together and end the wrangles then this boys can do more.The team has changed so much with fresh blood from inexperienced players getting in the team. Up the Shujaz! I personally prefer the sevens to the fifteens!
I think the boys have 're-organised themselves, our main focus now is the Olympics qualification. Senior players are back in full force but injera will be missing in action since he is nursing a knee injury.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by samorobo: 10:42am On Nov 12, 2019
vaxx2:
The news is not from ghanaweb, it is from 3news web. ......But don't worry, Ghana politicians lies but not often. the president itself is involve. I will update you as soon as possible.

Ok I will be expecting your update...BTW the incomplete new didn't also state who will be funding it?
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx2: 11:00am On Nov 12, 2019
rvp2018:
1) Okay - I thought Gold minning has pretty much overtaken South Africa - so you mean all that is done by small scale miners. I think if you remove the power consumed by Gold, Bauxite, Aluminum - that will leave a lot less for household consumption. I cannot seem to lay my hands on the data...anyway I think there is distortion from mining industry.

2) Urbanization. For a country with 15M (half) urban population - you don't have consumerate cities and towns. I check Accra has 1.5m,Kumasi 1.7m, etc. but you'll admit there has to be a serious housing deficits...because a city of 1M people is huge. Mombasa for reference is about 1.2M people. Nairobi is now 4.4m. So either you statistic is doggy like Nigeria...I noticed the urbanization rate has been 50% for like forever.

3) Immigration. For a country that is growing - you should not be immigrating for opportunities or for education. That right there is contradictory. Your companies should be one immigrating - spinning multinational conglomerates.

Anyway I hope your statistics is not being cooked like Nigeria - and it well turn out --- that outside minning & natural resources - there is nothing to write home about.

1...... Ghana is presently developing the mining industry to be fully formalised like that of south africa while integrating the small scale miners into effect. they are the one adding to the growth of gold exploration in Ghana. Two foreing mining company have registered of recent , the process of mining may change later but as of now, the mining industry isn't consuming the electricity than demanded. apart from the aluminium industry, No company or industry in Ghana is generating excessive electricity above 1000 megawatt. As I speak , Ghana only used just 40 percent of electricity she produce while most of it are exported or going into waste. that is a serious economic implication...which Ghana Goverment is looking for solution....

2..regarding the population statistics you forwarded , you are wrong.... Accra is currently approaching 4 million and above while kumasi is hitting 3.5 million that is according to Ghana statistical office . Housing deficit In Ghana is soaring, Yes admiitable , but that is less than 2 million which is far better than many rapid urbanized country.....Ghana is conducting digital census early next year, The rate will be given then. but I can tell you categorically is pretty much above 50 percent.


3...There is nothing wrong in migrating in search of more opportunities. Americans does it so is Canadian. Germany are flocking British and America university despite free education back home. the demand to go travelled abroad isn't only about lack of infrastructure but majorly on prestige and for more personal development. I school with Chinese and British during my undergraduate. Are you equally saying Ghana has better infrastructure to this kind of nationality for choosing Ghana education system. the main anchor here is adenuture , Ghana flocking western uni is mainly driven by prestige of those called uni and more opportunities that rises from it. Ghana company are migrating but slowly . A Ghana e pharmacy is buying up second largest pharmacy chain in Kenya( mpharma) it has move across many west africa ,Ghana buisness are establishing new offices across the globe . there kinapharma in Nigeria, kampac in UNited Arab Emirates Springfield in Nigeria and more....This are company worth billions of dollars...... Springfield and kapmac in particular.

Ghana has open transparent policy. hardly can statistics be hidden . There is independent economy watch called IMAAN. they will flush any lies out.. ..

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx2: 11:01am On Nov 12, 2019
samorobo:


Ok I will be expecting your update...BTW the incomplete new didn't also state who will be funding it?
It is private initiative. read the news again.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kazikazi: 11:01am On Nov 12, 2019
samorobo:


Good..Both parties made salient point... Kazikazi never argued that Ghana is more economically developed than TZ but he is simply saying that Ghana economic prowress doesn't match her urbanisation....but I think vaxx misunderstanding him.

As the middle class grows their taste, quality, and sophistication improves in urban areas...
Yes I asked about Ghana with higher hdi and per capita than Tz,isn't seen developed than Tz.Or,Dar looks more developed than Accra.Why so?
A quick look at Dar properties will reveal that the real estate in Dar is more valuable than Accra! Even transportation in general, Tz looks better than Ghana.I don't mention some stuff like hotels and other little thing.The question I keep on asking is..
A country which has higher hdi,higher per capita income,larger middle class,etc, shouldn't that country need more modern offices,more modern transport,more sport and recreation facilities? Or better hospitals? Or far better residential homes? After all, middle class folks wants these stuff!

Or I can put this way..
India has less per capita than SA. And its true,SA looks more developed than India.That is due to percentage of middle class between two nations.Middle class dudes in SA buys properties, wants golf courses,wants better hospitals,want better transportation etc.Its a norm worldwide.The higher u earn,the more u will acquire better stuff

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by kikuyu1(m): 11:11am On Nov 12, 2019
rvp2018:
You sound stupid.There is now highway from Nairobi to Adis Ababa.We also have completely 400kV power lines with Ethiopia as they look forward to selling to us power.The current president is an Oromo and we have many Kenyan oromos..so everything is changing as Southern Ethiopia is now driving the agenda.Once we complete the road from Lamu to Isiolo then Southern Ethiopia will be our territory.Kenya banks are waiting to enter Ethiopia..KCB already have a representative office.Safaricom are readying for 1b dollars joint bid with Vodacom as Ethiopia are keen to have M-Pesa.Congo we are going there big time.. Already likes of Equity bank just bought 2nd largest bank there in addition to another one.Likes of Serena hotel, KQ have interest there..We run the show in East Africa.

You know sometimes I wish posters were intelligent enough to see the obvious implications! Then instead of tedious denial and deflection they'd see a rapidly changing socioeconomic regional picture.
5 years from now Kazibure will be screeching how China funded Kenya's regional takeover and we'll direct him to this post-BUT HE STILL WON'T GET IT!!
SMFH.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx2: 11:29am On Nov 12, 2019
Kazikazi:
You are very wrong on Tz electric sgr.
Electric sgr don't consume a lot of power.Its usually about 200 MW only.So can anyone suggest we can't have 200 MW?
Currently Tz has 1700mw. Yes its small.But most big industries in Tz use gas.I mean underground piped gas to power industries. Dangote cement plant in mtwara is one of big manufacturers who uses underground piped gas. That technology I never saw even in SA.In east Africa,no country uses underground piped gas but only Tz.So on paper written by many folks who lack engineering knowledge, they think Tz uses only 1700mw! They don't count power generated through a modern techniques of underground piping.For them,energy means electricity only! Underground piped gas is a complex stuff which they cant grasp. And that is not all,we have a big under construction hydo dam(2115mw), will be complete on 2022.Still we have others under construction like mbeya coal to power project(600mw),gas plant(kinyerezi,I,II,III,IV) and other small projects.The gov targets to have 10,000 mw by 2025.So,there is no need to worry about sufficient power!

Again u mentioned sgr as cosmetic stuff.Not true.
Tanzania isn't a small nation.Just think a distance between two largest cities in Tz,Dar to Mwanza is about 1200 kms.If one uses a bus,he will arrive a next day! There are many speed restrictions on a way.The distance from Dar to Bukoba is about 1400 kms. These are cities on shores of lake Victoria which need speed rail for simplifying Transportation.Again our electric sgr will go as far as Kigali Rwanda to Goma in DRC. All those areas has enough population to need a fast train,and again,they are far from Dar.
The other thing is the costs.Its worldwide known electric trains are cheaper to run than diesel.Many mining products, or agricultural goods which were far from the port of Dar will be competitive in a world market.We have huge reserves of minerals which need a cheap transportation to the port.We are in industrialization program which we need to support that with cheaper,efficient and fast transportation. Can all those benefits equates to a cosmetic project? The Germany,our formal colonial power built the similar railway in 1905,but back then that wasn't seen as cosmetic. Today,a century later,we are building a similar,but more modified railway which connects to more cities and neighboring nations.Can we call that cosmetic? Why can't we call cosmetic when Germans did the same 114 years back?

Again,u shouldn't say we can't afford traveling on electric trains.Just know,electric trains will be cheaper than a bus or planes between those big cities.It will be cheaper hauling stuff by electric train than lorries.

The issue of your people going to SA and other nations.You know very well no Japanese is going to seek employment or mending shoes in a street corner in SA.Although not all your people are doing same thing.But the point is,when u see many of African graduates are unemployed back home,if many goes away seeking employment, That shows there are problems either in education system, or there are problems in the economy, or there are problems in both sectors. But us Africans love lies.We would rather praise ourselves as educated(on paper) than face out two big failures in economy and education


You don't compare Tz with country that has over 90 percent of its citizens connecting to national grid . only south africa can claim that in sub Saharan Africa. You don't compare Tz with country that is building nuclear power for the purpose of energy. again only south africa can pride herself on this in sub Saharan Africa. You also don't compare TZ with a country that has the biggest photovoltaic (PV) and the largest solar energy plant in Africa... look friend , Ghana electricity company is worth over 3 billion dollars in value . that is by far bigger than Any indigenous TZ company either by private or goverment.... This is the reason America is so much interested in Ghana electric sector.. .


housing estate is nothing when we are talking about real deal .... anyway be proud of yourself ......

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 11:33am On Nov 12, 2019
1) I guess my point is still valid - that household electricity consumption per capita - is being distorted by minning - just like you find in South Africa - which has one world highest electricity consumption per capita.

2) You're making it worse - because if Accra had 4m population - then clearly something is wrong with either the city or the stats - coz I have checked couple of pics and videos - and Accra doesn't look like a city of 1m people.

3) Adventure thanks to wealthy Ghanians - would reflect in out-bound tourism. This is more economic refugees. It's hardly anything to be proud of.As you plead with slaves that left Ghana 500yrs ago to return - you need to stop current Ghanians from leaving - mostly forever - abroad. You only see such in war torn countries like Syria, Somalia, Ethiopia, etc. This is called brain and resource drain.

vaxx2:
1...... Ghana is presently developing the mining industry to be fully formalised like that of south africa while integrating the small scale miners into effect. they are the one adding to the growth of gold exploration in Ghana. Two foreing mining company have registered of recent , the process of mining may change later but as of now, the mining industry isn't consuming the electricity than demanded. apart from the aluminium industry, No company or industry in Ghana is generating excessive electricity above 1000 megawatt. As I speak , Ghana only used just 40 percent of electricity she produce while most of it are exported or going into waste. that is a serious economic implication...which Ghana Goverment is looking for solution....

2..regarding the population statistics you forwarded , you are wrong.... Accra is currently approaching 4 million and above while kumasi is hitting 3.5 million that is according to Ghana statistical office . Housing deficit In Ghana is soaring, Yes admiitable , but that is less than 2 million which is far better than many rapid urbanized country.....Ghana is conducting digital census early next year, The rate will be given then. but I can tell you categorically is pretty much above 50 percent.


3...There is nothing wrong in migrating in search of more opportunities. Americans does it so is Canadian. Germany are flocking British and America university despite free education back home. the demand to go travelled abroad isn't only about lack of infrastructure but majorly on prestige and for more personal development. I school with Chinese and British during my undergraduate. Are you equally saying Ghana has better infrastructure to this kind of nationality for choosing Ghana education system. the main anchor here is adenuture , Ghana flocking western uni is mainly driven by prestige of those called uni and more opportunities that rises from it. Ghana company are migrating but slowly . A Ghana e pharmacy is buying up second largest pharmacy chain in Kenya( mpharma) it has move across many west africa ,Ghana buisness are establishing new offices across the globe . there kinapharma in Nigeria, kampac in UNited Arab Emirates Springfield in Nigeria and more....This are company worth billions of dollars...... Springfield and kapmac in particular.

Ghana has open transparent policy. hardly can statistics be hidden . There is independent economy watch called IMAAN. they will flush any lies out.. ..

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 11:34am On Nov 12, 2019
Kazikazi:
Yes I asked about Ghana with higher hdi and per capita than Tz,isn't seen developed than Tz.Or,Dar looks more developed than Accra.Why so?
A quick look at Dar properties will reveal that the real estate in Dar is more valuable than Accra! Even transportation in general, Tz looks better than Ghana.I don't mention some stuff like hotels and other little thing.The question I keep on asking is..
A country which has higher hdi,higher per capita income,larger middle class,etc, shouldn't that country need more modern offices,more modern transport,more sport and recreation facilities? Or better hospitals? Or far better residential homes? After all, middle class folks wants these stuff!

Or I can put this way..
India has less per capita than SA. And its true,SA looks more developed than India.That is due to percentage of middle class between two nations.Middle class dudes in SA buys properties, wants golf courses,wants better hospitals,want better transportation etc.Its a norm worldwide.The higher u earn,the more u will acquire better stuff
the difference between Tanzania and Ghana is

Ghanaian middle-class people do not live in the city centre, Every middle-class Ghanaian wants to live on the outskirt of Accra or Kumasi where it is much more greener and middle-class Ghanaians prefer single owned homes.
This is the reason why Accra keeps expanding. with this ever need to live outside Accra comes with the need to own their own cars for transportation, so Government knowing this rather spends more on providing roads than providing for transport services.
Since the current system of transportation already serves the need of the people it focuses on.

This is why Ghana is more developed than Tanzania, Development is spread to the outskirts of towns and cities.


Focusing on Health, The healthcare system in Ghana is far advance, developed and modern than in Tanzania.
Meeting the needs of the middle class and the poor at the same time.

so developed such that both private and public health insurance industry is an already big market.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 11:43am On Nov 12, 2019
rvp2018:
1) I guess my point is still valid - that household electricity consumption per capita - is being distorted by minning - just like you find in South Africa - which has one world highest electricity consumption per capita.

2) You're making it worse - because if Accra had 4m population - then clearly something is wrong with either the city or the stats - coz I have checked couple of pics and videos - and Accra doesn't look like a city of 1m people.

3) Adventure thanks to wealthy Ghanians - would reflect in out-bound tourism. This is more economic refugees. It's hardly anything to be proud of.As you plead with slaves that left Ghana 500yrs ago to return - you need to stop current Ghanians from leaving - mostly forever - abroad. You only see such in war torn countries like Syria, Somalia, Ethiopia, etc. This is called brain and resource drain.

Accra is ever-expanding than building high.
No one wants to live in an apartment.
Single owned homes with backyards is an ish here

so you will have farmlands like Ayimensah , Dodowa becoming highly residential areas than apartments in the centre of Accra going up

this kind of development is both good and bad at the same time for the government.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by samorobo: 11:43am On Nov 12, 2019
Jonraid:
Is that an achievement? Richard Branson was in Nairobi some days ago. I guess Kenyans should cheer?

Where in my post did you sense excitement..We are not Kenya that rejoice over every little thing, just as you did when a certain U.S govt official visited Kenya, bought a Masai belt, returned home and took to his Twitter page a pics of him wearing the belt......I couldn't believe you guys were jubilating like a bush, timid, village, intimidated chicken grin

If at all there was anything I rejoiced about it will be the fact that visa is investing $200m in interswitch ......why did your ease of doing business not attract you that? grin
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 11:47am On Nov 12, 2019
rvp2018:
1) Okay - I thought Gold minning has pretty much overtaken South Africa - so you mean all that is done by small scale miners. I think if you remove the power consumed by Gold, Bauxite, Aluminum - that will leave a lot less for household consumption. I cannot seem to lay my hands on the data...anyway I think there is distortion from mining industry.

2) Urbanization. For a country with 15M (half) urban population - you don't have consumerate cities and towns. I check Accra has 1.5m,Kumasi 1.7m, etc. but you'll admit there has to be a serious housing deficits...because a city of 1M people is huge. Mombasa for reference is about 1.2M people. Nairobi is now 4.4m. So either you statistic is doggy like Nigeria...I noticed the urbanization rate has been 50% for like forever.

3) Immigration. For a country that is growing - you should not be immigrating for opportunities or for education. That right there is contradictory. Your companies should be one immigrating - spinning multinational conglomerates.

Anyway I hope your statistics is not being cooked like Nigeria - and it well turn out --- that outside minning & natural resources - there is nothing to write home about.

Greater Accra area has 4.5 million people and Kumasi has 4 million people
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 11:49am On Nov 12, 2019
There 4m residence of Accra- what do they do for a living? Where are the office blocks - the one I see is super-tiny? Accra looks a lot like Kampala - although Kampala has bigger CBD - kampala is sprawl about 40kms around that CBD. I see Accra is about 250kms2 - Nairobi about 690Km2. Greate Accra is about 3,500 while Nairobi Metro is 32,000kms - with about half of it urbanized.

Just30:
Accra is ever-expanding than building high.
No one wants to live in an apartment.
Single owned homes with backyards is an ish here

so you will have farmlands like Ayimensah , Dodowa becoming highly residential areas than apartments in the centre of Accra going up

this kind of development is both good and bad at the same time for the government.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 11:49am On Nov 12, 2019
Just30:
the difference between Tanzania and Ghana is

Ghanaian middle-class people do not live in the city centre, Every middle-class Ghanaian wants to live on the outskirt of Accra or Kumasi where it is much more greener and middle-class Ghanaians prefer single owned homes.
This is the reason why Accra keeps expanding. with this ever need to live outside Accra comes with the need to own their own cars for transportation, so Government knowing this rather spends more on providing roads than providing for transport services.
Since the current system of transportation already serves the need of the people it focuses on.

This is why Ghana is more developed than Tanzania, Development is spread to the outskirts of towns and cities.


Focusing on Health, The healthcare system in Ghana is far advance, developed and modern than in Tanzania.
Meeting the needs of the middle class and the poor at the same time.

so developed such that both private and public health insurance industry is an already big market.
Am trying so hard to trace Tz angry
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by kikuyu1(m): 11:51am On Nov 12, 2019
gallivant:


Wow, bigger than Sudan, DRC, Ethiopia, Mali, Libya, South Africa, Angola, Niger, Egypt, Mauritania, Chad etc. Just wow Sammy.

HTF does an adult nigga even say smth that !? He probably thinks Swaziland and Lesotho are part of RSA!
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx2: 11:52am On Nov 12, 2019
rvp2018:
1) I guess my point is still valid - that household electricity consumption per capita - is being distorted by minning - just like you find in South Africa - which has one world highest electricity consumption per capita.

2) You're making it worse - because if Accra had 4m population - then clearly something is wrong with either the city or the stats - coz I have checked couple of pics and videos - and Accra doesn't look like a city of 1m people.

3) Adventure thanks to wealthy Ghanians - would reflect in out-bound tourism. This is more economic refugees. It's hardly anything to be proud of.As you plead with slaves that left Ghana 500yrs ago to return - you need to stop current Ghanians from leaving - mostly forever - abroad. You only see such in war torn countries like Syria, Somalia, Ethiopia, etc. This is called brain and resource drain.

1 mining industry in Ghana generate not so much electricity. Ghana isn't South Africa that has a fully developed mining sector .

2. scientifically, pics and videos are not used in research. what are available are data and information gather objectively. using pics and video to judge Accra isn't practical.....

3... Yes migrating abroad causes brain and at the same time also influence economy .foreing remittance is one the good advantage. China will for ever be grateful to Chinese working abroad during the close economy era....

Ghana has done so well in stopping the exodus of trainned Ghanaian migrating abroad. one of the initiative is Automatic employment for the nurses , Automatic employment for the teachers and this two professions received allowance while in trainning .

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by samorobo: 11:53am On Nov 12, 2019
rvp2018:
Yes energy consumption per capita is good measure.You may have to remove the % of power dedicated to Ghana minning industry so you don't distort what the average household consume.For example South Africa consumes 30,000MW but 60% of it by 10 minning and manufacturing giants. Migration is not a factor..on the contrary it shows Ghana historical problems with coups, famine n economic collapse..same situation you find in Somalia or Ethiopia or DrC or Nigeria...where people sell family asset to escape their countries for lack of internal opportunities. Urbanization is good indicator as long as it's not DRC type where people escape to live in shanties so they can enjoy peace and security...in short Ghana urban center have to match the population in housing, amenities and infrastructure. Nigeria kind of urbinazation with mega slumpolis like Kano, Ibandan,Lagos etc with housing deficit of 12m is not a good indicator of progress. Kinshasa is an example of 20m mega slumpolis with Lagos.


You are indirectly telling us how Kenya behave....No Nigeria does that.....
Don't project your habits on us.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 11:55am On Nov 12, 2019
rvp2018:
There 4m residence of Accra- what do they do for a living? Where are the office blocks - the one I see is super-tiny? Accra looks a lot like Kampala - although Kampala has bigger CBD - kampala. I see Accra is about 250kms2 - Nairobi about 690Km2. Greate Accra is about 3,500 while Nairobi Metro is 32,000kms - with about half of it urbanized.

Accra population are into the informal economy
One that does not need and office to thrive.

In most West African countries, the informal economy is bigger than the formal and known economy.
Trying to put Tanzania on this level will break its back.


putting up empty or half full office blocks is not real development

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by samorobo: 11:55am On Nov 12, 2019
rvp2018:
1) Okay - I thought Gold minning has pretty much overtaken South Africa - so you mean all that is done by small scale miners. I think if you remove the power consumed by Gold, Bauxite, Aluminum - that will leave a lot less for household consumption. I cannot seem to lay my hands on the data...anyway I think there is distortion from mining industry.

2) Urbanization. For a country with 15M (half) urban population - you don't have consumerate cities and towns. I check Accra has 1.5m,Kumasi 1.7m, etc. but you'll admit there has to be a serious housing deficits...because a city of 1M people is huge. Mombasa for reference is about 1.2M people. Nairobi is now 4.4m. So either you statistic is doggy like Nigeria...I noticed the urbanization rate has been 50% for like forever.

3) Immigration. For a country that is growing - you should not be immigrating for opportunities or for education. That right there is contradictory. Your companies should be one immigrating - spinning multinational conglomerates.

Anyway I hope your statistics is not being cooked like Nigeria - and it well turn out --- that outside minning & natural resources - there is nothing to write home about.


Speaking of cooked stat that will be your zoo kingdom grin grin you have been telling the world that your middle class is growing not untill recently that lie was busted.....just the same way it happen in your power sector..
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 11:55am On Nov 12, 2019
Sometimes stats from unreliable sources like Yemi Kale 500B Nigerian GDP can lie. Pictures, Videos and such cannot lie. I have gone to Youtube for a few Accra and Kumasi shots - and it's underwhelming. Here you're claiming it's a city equal to Nairobi. What do Accra people do for a living - wait for remittance from abroad?
vaxx2:
1 mining industry in Ghana generate not so much electricity. Ghana isn't South Africa that has a fully developed mining sector .

2. scientifically, pics and videos are not used in research. what are available are data and information gather objectively. using pics and video to judge Accra isn't practical.....

3... Yes migrating abroad causes brain and at the same time also influence economy .foreing remittance is one the good advantage. China will for ever be grateful to Chinese working abroad during the close economy era....

Ghana has done so well in stopping the exodus of trainned Ghanaian migrating abroad. one of the initiative is Automatic employment for the nurses , Automatic employment vfor the teachers and this two professions received allowance while in trainning .

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by samorobo: 11:57am On Nov 12, 2019
rvp2018:
Nigerian are bereft of anything to be proud of.


Kenyans are deprived of anything to be proud of.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 11:57am On Nov 12, 2019
vaxx2:
1 mining industry in Ghana generate not so much electricity. Ghana isn't South Africa that has a fully developed mining sector .

2. scientifically, pics and videos are not used in research. what are available are data and information gather objectively. using pics and video to judge Accra isn't practical.....

3... Yes migrating abroad causes brain and at the same time also influence economy .foreing remittance is one the good advantage. China will for ever be grateful to Chinese working abroad during the close economy era....

Ghana has done so well in stopping the exodus of trainned Ghanaian migrating abroad. one of the initiative is Automatic employment for the nurses , Automatic employment vfor the teachers and this two professions received allowance while in trainning .
the latest trend in Ghana is called the brain gain

where Ghanaian professionals from around the world are coming back

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 11:59am On Nov 12, 2019
Interesting - how do people survive in cities in informal economy. You know most people in East Africa will prefer to remain farmers - because in cities - the formal economy- support informal economy. I don't know how informal economy can support itself...unless most Ghanians are waiting at Western Union for money from their relatives abroad.

I think there could be a lot of statistical cooking going on here. It could be Nigerian problem that we uncovered in this thread. Nigeria claim Lagos state has 20M - and come voting - only 1M voted smiley smiley. Apparently 19m - let say half are kids - 9m didn't bother to show up to vote in the most important elections. Nairobi city that had 4m - has like 2m voting.

Just30:
Accra population are into the informal economy
One that does not need and office to thrive.

In most West African countries, the informal economy is bigger than the formal and known economy.
Trying to put Tanzania on this level will break its back.


putting up empty or half full office blocks is not real development

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