KarnBarlow:
As long as we are buying into hyperbole, If Devin Booker continues improving hes going to be better than Michael Jordan.

If Andrew Wiggins continues improving hes going to be better than Kevin Durant.


You know, as long as we are being silly.

KarnBarlow:


Kawhi shot 2-11 and had 9 turnovers and the clippers still won. LeBron shot 5/15 plus 15 assists and 13 rebounds and lost. Can you not see how scary this clippers team is?

stylessamson:
Really, quick question, all through Anthony Davis 7 years with the Pelicans, where he made all star what was his PPG average
incase you don't know, he did not average as much points as Giannis in the last 2 years

Roland17:
I thought we finished last season with the consensus that Giannis is a 1 dimensional player who needs to diversify his offense in order to lead the Bucks to the finals? I have not seen anything different this season to think otherwise.

benji93:
Yes we agree, Giannis does need to be multidimensional to win ultimately-Not many players can stop this one-dimensionality anyway.It took the elite defensive prowess of Kawhi to properly expose him. But again, it seems like you want this young man to win. However, give me a player that averages over 27pts per game and double-digit rebounds we are definitely right on track. If he averages over 5 assists, now that's overtime. . At the moment the regular season is the only yardstick available to compare AD to any other guy. Giannis in this case. What Giannis needs or does not need to do to lead the bucks to a championship is definitely a thing, but in this argument it is of no significance. AD is one of a kind, agreed. But can he reproduce his dominance especially between 2016 and 2018? We would never know, especially now that he is playing alongside LeBron. Has he stagnated? Maybe, the stats show that, but he's been some injury problems lately, so we cannot say for sure. The last I checked, in our world, more talented does not always translate to better player. It definitely is a recipe though.

Roland17:


For what it is worth and for the sake of argument and your post, Giannis has enjoyed only one spectacular season and that was his MVP season last year, right? So we don’t have an exhaustive body of work to make any conclusive debate in relation to AD in whatever context you put it.
Bare in mind they entered the league 1 year away from each other, 2012 & 2013. The same narrative will be made for Siakam, he has only enjoyed 1 spectacular season, he has not done anything over a long period of time so why should I believe you over someone who has been playing at this level since he entered the league especially when he is healthy? There are a lot of ifs and buts in the narrative you guys are choosing.
Please don’t misconstrue my argument to mean Giannis is not a superstar in this league because that would be untrue but don’t make it sound like he is better than AD. If a healthy AD replaced Giannis in that Bucks roster last year, they beat the Raptors, no questions asked, spot the difference.
You can game plan for one by building the proverbial wall at the entrance of the key as discovered by Brad Stevens and force him to become a jump shooter and even if he penetrates, foul him and send him to the FT line, the other? Your guess is as good as mine. As for Siakam, it is not even close and I maintain that.

steady986:

Which sweeps? I can't remember my team getting swept by GS.

And I know you'd support your players at all cost, but try to judge this situation with a neutral mind.

Roland17:


For what it is worth and for the sake of argument and your post, Giannis has enjoyed only one spectacular season and that was his MVP season last year, right? So we don’t have an exhaustive body of work to make any conclusive debate in relation to AD in whatever context you put it.

Roland17:

Bare in mind they entered the league 1 year away from each other, 2012 & 2013. The same narrative will be made for Siakam, he has only enjoyed 1 spectacular season, he has not done anything over a long period of time so why should I believe you over someone who has been playing at this level since he entered the league especially when he is healthy? There are a lot of ifs and buts in the narrative you guys are choosing.

Roland17:

Please don’t misconstrue my argument to mean Giannis is not a superstar in this league because that would be untrue but don’t make it sound like he is better than AD. If a healthy AD replaced Giannis in that Bucks roster last year, they beat the Raptors, no questions asked, spot the difference.

Roland17:

You can game plan for one by building the proverbial wall at the entrance of the key as discovered by Brad Stevens and force him to become a jump shooter and even if he penetrates, foul him and send him to the FT line, the other? Your guess is as good as mine. As for Siakam, it is not even close and I maintain that.

A40:
You people are so funny. LeNomad averaged 17pts per game in an NBA Final series at the peak of his physical prime. Dropping 8pts in one game.

He was two years older than Giannis btw. He was not a glorified bum then that didn't understand zone though

Clowns I spot em and I can't stop laughing

KarnBarlow:


Why does everything have to be about lebron with you? And what happened with lebron after the 2011 finals? he improved his game and added other facets to it, like Roland said, what has Giannis done to make you think he has covered those holes in his game?

A40:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2837174-did-kawhi-leonard-raptors-find-the-secret-to-shutting-down-giannis


We've seen KD, Kobe, The GOAT, LeNomad get clamped and their efficiencies reduced but it's ordinary AD that can't be guarded. Lmaooooooo

A40:
Why not let the season unfold and stop pre-ejacing. So if LeNomad at the peak of his physical prime could shit the bed then why is Giannis not allowed a bad series?

You think LeNomad's game was not improved enough to do better than 17pts per game in a Finals series?

What was Steph's weakness when he choked in the 2016 Finals?

KarnBarlow:

It takes a team effort to slow Antetokounmpo down. And that's exactly what Toronto gave on Sunday. Seemingly every time Giannis got inside the three-point line, he faced multiple defenders.

And these weren't lazy double-teams. These were solid help-and-recovers, hands-high doubles and late shows, several of which forced Giannis into turnovers.


This is from the article you just posted. I repeat, put kawhi on a man to man on AD and he gets cooked.

A40:
What are you on about? This isn't a game of H.O.R.S.E! Of course his teammates would chip in with team defense from time to time. Where and how is it possible for a player to be guarded by one man for the entirety of a possession?

Where Kawhi was Giannis's primary defender there has been clear demarcation on the impact of Kawhi guarding Giannis vs other Raptors guarding Giannis.

There is not a player alive that can't be guarded or slowed down in the right circumstances. Not one. Better players than AD have been clamped man to man. Laughable to suggest Kawhi can't do it

Roland17:
If a healthy AD replaced Giannis in that Bucks roster last year, they beat the Raptors, no questions asked, spot the difference.

KarnBarlow:


But we saw lebrons improvement from the mid range and the post the regular season after the finals. Apart from a more improved albeit erratic 3 pt shooting whats changed about Giannis?

LeBron is always the first to say how he wasn't a well rounded player in those finals. If he was improved enough to do better than 17 points in that series he would've done that. He didn't.

It's not just as simple as saying oh he choked. Give that Dallas team credit, they had a great game plan and they executed it perfectly. You should watch this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9w_XUQyJJQ

KarnBarlow:


I'm not denying this. I'm talking about this narrative about Kawhi single-handedly guarding Giannis or what you just proposed that he can guard Kawhi. Thing is if you had kawhi on a man to man with Giannis without his teammates he would have gotten abused as well. So its inaccurate to say Kawhi clamped him. Its wild to say kawhi is going to clamp AD.

A40:

The same AD that only made the playoffs twice in NOLA? Abeggi

chic2pimp:


The thing shock me too o. Infact I had to check if there was another Superstar player in the league called AD. Lawd knows the different kinds of excuses we would have heard had AD being in Jokic's place last season

A40:
Nobody literally single handedly guards anybody. That is myth and Urban legend. This is the NBA not Rucker Park so don't take hyperbole for literal meaning

When somebody is talking about guarding another player more often than not they are implying being the primary defender on that player. These stats heads collate these things and I'm sure you can see the different figures for each player guarding an opponent. So when I say clamp I don't feel I need to clarify that

A40:
AD is a really great player but the pedestal he's being put on by some is just ridiculous. Suggesting he can't be compared to anyone or his level cannot be reached?

That was why I brought the example of Harden. If Harden was not handed the keys to his own team would he be at this level today? When he was leaving OKC who in their right minds would have predicted he would be this great? If you suggested he could be as good as a D.Rose at the time in the future you would be laughed out of the country but look at what happened?

Even Kawhi is another example. You just never know and that's all I'm saying