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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 8:32am On Nov 13, 2019
Kshs has been free floating for as long as I can remember (I think 1993). IMF last year disagreed and classified it managed because they cannot figure out just how strong and defiant Kshs has been. CBK intervene as market player. We don't have Nigeria kind of 3 exchange rates. We don't have black market for dollars. You can buy and sell as many dollars as you want anytime. And you can take them out of Kenya anyday. But nobody does that because our fundamentals are so strong.
Just30:
grin grin grin grin grin

your central bank will not even dream of freely floating your currency
because, in minute, it will become useless like Zimbabwe grin grin grin grin

how do you think they will do it?
when export is just 5 billion dollars?

You are just piling on debt you cannot pay
encourage by you politicians to support your national currency.
Just to cover for the weak fundamentals in your economy

This will end in a new Zimbabwe.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 8:33am On Nov 13, 2019
rvp2018:
Why do you guys lie when the data is our there. Most Ghanians are now keep their money in foreign currency. Foreign investors repartraite their money as soon as possible leading to capital flight. This is loop that feed itself and CEDIS continues to fall.

Evidence 1:Bank of Ghana captured this in the Banking Sector Report for September 2019 it published.

The report shows that the domestic currency component of deposits recorded a slower growth of 9.1 percent to GH¢54.8 billion in August 2019, 20 percentage points lower than the previous year’s growth; whereas, foreign currency deposits grew by 21.2 percent to record GH¢21.2 billion during the review period compared to a growth of 18.6 percent in the previous year.

you you just posted, you dont even understand

In Ghana, not one can own a dollar account unless they earn in dollars
the only reason domestic deposit did not grow much was that Ghana is in a banking crisis at the moment.

An engineered banking crisis aiming to burst a bubble in a controlled manner before it leads to a bigger crisis.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 8:34am On Nov 13, 2019
pacretus:
Export by African countries, kenya=$6B
Ghana=$17B
Nigeria=$52B.

Interesting
yep

interesting
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 8:34am On Nov 13, 2019
Central Bank of kenya do not have any borrowed money. Treasury is the one that borrows and use the money. Central bank of kenya buys and sells forex like any market player - and they come to market to buy or sell - so they can keep Kshs stable.Commercial banks are also key forex players. When fundamentals are against Kshs - no amount of CBK defending Kshs can help - so for instance Kshs once depreciated to 107shs to a dollar.
Just30:
ll
This can only mean, their central bank is using huge part of the borrowed money to support their currency in a pegging system.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kennyswagz2: 8:36am On Nov 13, 2019
gallivant:


It's Dubai bro, not Eko.
black and white stripes in Dubai?

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 8:37am On Nov 13, 2019
Facts are stubborn. Nearly 1/3 of money in Ghana is banked in dollars. It doesn't by who - but foreign-currency denominated account are huge. I wish you an inject some confidence to CEDIS - otherwise it's on a serious free-fall - and before soon you'll be in yet another DEMONETIZATION smiley

This time peg your CEDIS in Kshs - and let Central Bank of Kenya help manage your CEDIS.

Just30:
you you just posted, you dont even understand

In Ghana, not one can own a dollar account unless they earn in dollars
the only reason domestic deposit did not grow much was that Ghana is in a banking crisis at the moment.

An engineered banking crisis aiming to burst a bubble in a controlled manner before it leads to a bigger crisis.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 8:39am On Nov 13, 2019
rvp2018:
Nano think it's structural and stuff like 1D1F will help. I disagree. It's not structural - otherwise kenya with Africa highest trade deficit (11B dollars) would be crying too. It's failure of of Ghana Central Banker to manage & instill confidence on the CEDIS - and stamp on dollarization of the economy. Once people lose faith in a currency - it's a free-fall - because individuals will trade or save in USD - while foreign investors will convert CEDIS to USD ASAP and send it back home to preserve value.

"We live in a country where we are overly dependent on the importation of things for our daily sustenance. Things we can produce, we continue to export them.And at the same time, we don’t generate enough export,” he said and stressed the need for public discourse to focus on addressing how the country could reduce import."
Ghana currency depreciation is a structure thing

whiles capital flight is on the lower side,
demand for dollars for import still remain high

that is why Ghana is embarking on an import substitution program


The only reason why the Kenyan case hasnt turned into another Zimbabwe is that your central bank is borrowing both domestically and foreign
hugely to support the currency.

with the knowledge i have on fiat currencies, this trend in unsustainable
it leads to more misery
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx2: 8:43am On Nov 13, 2019
rvp2018:
Capping was populist move by parliament to reign on the banks who had refused to be self-regualte - although it was not as bad as I have seen in Ghana and Nigeria. We are a modern democracy - and Judiciary said no - that is Central Bank job. As you speak interest capping is gone. It was only there for 3yrs (2016-2019).

When it come to purchasing power - I don't what exactly that mean - you see we have huge trade deficit - meaning we import more than we export - so a strong Shilling works for us - purchasing power wise - and of course it also helps when we have to repay debts.

Now Ghana you have positive trade deficit - so I don't even know why your president think you're importing more than you should - and but what is hammering you is not a WEAK CEDIS - it's a UNSTABLE RAPIDLY DETERIORATING CEDIS. Nobody can trust such a currency - leading to capital flight.

The kind of cleansing system that was recently implemented on financial sector in Ghana will flawed your economy if it is implemented . in Ghana, economy works not political instrument by forcing banks or financial institute to do what is against your economy fundamentals. You easily see how your micro economy suffers... A true reflection of your weak economy.. The stronger your purchasing power the stronger your currency( Unless it is naturally devalued)like that of China . you can't have a weak purchasing power with stronger currency. it shows your inflation rate will be accelerating cus A true reflection of economy will exposed itself. shillings can't work for you cus it will makes your local meagre export become unnecessarily expensive which will force buyer to look elsewhere. Tanzania may be enjoying this benefit since it is your next door neighbour.....

Ghana is a dollarised country and the issue is more historical rather than fundamentals . stopping more import shows that we want to be self sufficient in area we think we are better off and we can can perform better....

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 8:46am On Nov 13, 2019
1) It's not structural because you have positive Trade balance. You export more than your import. You have trade surplus. You also have 8B dollars from remittances. So on face value - you're doing well - but CEDIS isn't.

2) I think the problem is more confidence thing - you demonetization failed because Ghanian have really bad memories of Cedis during hyper-inflation - so nobody trust Ghanian Cedis.

3) Kenya has been free-floating kshs since 93, we have no forex controls and CBK don't borrow any money. They buy and sell forexs like any market player.

4) The strength of Kshs is not a mystery - it's because Kenya esp Nairobi attract a lot of forex - because we are financial capital - we have many NGOS, UN and MNCS bring lots of forex - we have tourist bring forex - we have lot of capital flight from region (Tanzania, Somali, etc ) ending in Nairobi. Heck we have people as far as UK, US, Nigeria coming to buy kenya real estates.

5) We are now mostly debt re-financing. We borrow 6B dollars - about 3B dollars externally - and 3B dollar internally. And we repay 6B dollars - about 3B dollars internally and 3b dollars externally. So forex from debt is NOT NOT responsible for strength of Kshs - we pay back as much dollars as we borrow.

Just30:
Ghana currency depreciation is a structure thing
whiles capital flight is on the lower side,
demand for dollars for import still remain high

that is why Ghana is embarking on an import substitution program


The only reason why the Kenyan case hasnt turned into another Zimbabwe is that your central bank is borrowing both domestically and foreign
hugely to support the currency.

with the knowledge i have on fiat currencies, this trend in unsustainable
it leads to more misery

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 8:47am On Nov 13, 2019
vaxx2:
The capping of your interest shows your goverment can politically influenced anything in your country. Your national statistics are simply lying about how rosy currency is ?. If your purchasing power is dwindling , how can you say you have a better currency...
by borrowing to support the currency
Caping inflation means that inflation cannot expose them until national revenue can no longer support debt repayment.

then they will turn to borrow new to pay old debts
Debt substitution program.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by samorobo: 8:48am On Nov 13, 2019
Problemkid1:
By the way Sammy. Are you enjoying the show between rvp2018 and vaxx grin grin

Lol I am...vaxx will finish him..

Finally every one is beginning to see what I have been saying .. Every thing in that zoo Kenya is fvcking fake and cooked..All stat is a facade influenced by their stupid policticians to cover things on ground..They are just like Rwanda if not worse..Rvp is quick to point hand and shout cooked.... when none of the countries on this thread can attempt the kind of fraud their politicians perpetuate....Wonder no more why they are more corrupt than nigerian... Wonder no more why their budget doen't reflect on their infastructures...I didn't know the KSHS was this valueless....
Fvck who borrows to support your currency...that Isa disaster.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by samorobo: 8:49am On Nov 13, 2019
Kennyswagz2:
the last picture, were is that place?

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 8:50am On Nov 13, 2019
vaxx2:
check their depreciated purchasing power. and then ask him how is their currency strong ?

You can't have a depreciated purchasing power with high currency. somebody must be lying some where. The goverment is simply lying to them...
yes they can have


by simply borrowing to support the currency

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 8:53am On Nov 13, 2019
Now you're about to admit the problem. The problem is historical - the way I see - it the lack of confidence in CEDIS - and you gov is doing such a bad job.

Kenya strong Kshs against deteriorating regional currencies (UG & TZ) - is making our manufacturer goods expensive (although when it come to quality -they cannot hack it - Kenya goods are still seen as of better quality) - but we export lot more services than even manufactured goods - so we are fine - and still run East Africa trade.

But because we still import a lot of capital goods from likes of India, Saudi Arabia(Oil), China, Japan (cars, machinery, equipment) - and because we value currency STABILITY - our central bank does a clean job defending Kshs in an open market.

vaxx2:

Ghana is a dollarised country and the issue is more historical rather than fundamentals . stopping more import shows that we want to be self sufficient in area we think we are better off and we can can perform better....

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx2: 8:53am On Nov 13, 2019
Just30:
by borrowing to support the currency
Caping inflation means that inflation cannot expose them until national revenue can no longer support debt repayment.

then they will turn to borrow new to pay old debts
Debt substitution program.
That is exactly what they are doing ?

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 8:55am On Nov 13, 2019
You can fake something for 30yrs. Kenya has never been bankrupt. About 10yrs you were so bankrupt - you had all debts - forgiven by Paris Club - and now you're heading straight into another bankruptcy.

And we cannot fake pictures and videos of Kenya.

samorobo:


Lol I am...vaxx will finish him..

Finally every one is beginning to see what I have been saying .. Every thing in that zoo Kenya is fvcking fake and cooked..All stat is a facade influenced by their stupid policticians to cover things on ground..They are just like Rwanda if not worse..Rvp is quick to point hand and shout cooked.... when none of the countries on this thread can attempt the kind of fraud their politicians perpetuate....Wonder no more why they are more corrupt than nigerian... Wonder no more why their budget doen't reflect on their infastructures...I didn't know the KSHS was this valueless....
Fvck who borrows to support your currency...that Isa disaster.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Problemkid1: 8:55am On Nov 13, 2019
samorobo:


Lol I am...vaxx will finish him..

Finally every one is beginning to see what I have been saying .. Every thing in that zoo Kenya is fvcking fake and cooked..All stat is a facade influenced by their stupid policticians to cover things on ground..They are just like Rwanda if not worse..Rvp is quick to point hand and shout cooked.... when none of the countries on this thread can attempt the kind of fraud their politicians perpetuate....Wonder no more why they are more corrupt than nigerian... Wonder no more why their budget doen't reflect on their infastructures...I didn't know the KSHS was this valueless....
Fvck who borrows to support your currency...that Isa disaster.
Vaxx no dey ever gree ooh grin I no know which kind piking be that for Pete's sake grin anyway let me keep watching the show it's very very interesting cheesy Kenya is a shitthol but they don't want to accept. That's why poverty is increasing everyday in that glorified shitthol grin

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by samorobo: 8:56am On Nov 13, 2019
gallivant:


Smh. How many times will you post the same bullshit pictures? We want to see something new Sammy. Get with the program. tongue


Lol is this coming from a kenyan that usually repeat a district oftenly....

The infastructure are world class....oh I get it

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 8:56am On Nov 13, 2019
rvp2018:
Capping was populist move by parliament to reign on the banks who had refused to be self-regualte - although it was not as bad as I have seen in Ghana and Nigeria. We are a modern democracy - and Judiciary said no - that is Central Bank job. As you speak interest capping is gone. It was only there for 3yrs (2016-2019).

When it come to purchasing power - I don't what exactly that mean - you see we have huge trade deficit - meaning we import more than we export - so a strong Shilling works for us - purchasing power wise - and of course it also helps when we have to repay debts.

Now Ghana you have positive trade deficit - so I don't even know why your president think you're importing more than you should - and but what is hammering you is not a WEAK CEDIS - it's a UNSTABLE RAPIDLY DETERIORATING CEDIS. Nobody can trust such a currency - leading to capital flight.

Everyone trust such a currency because they know that it is transparent , stable, and predictable

not one that they will wake up one morning and interest rate has been capped, wake up the next morning and the value of the currency has jumped without any economic explanation.

Now that Ghana has built a positive trade balance, she is seeking to grow that trade balance
by seeking to increase her export values.

This is what will keep the cedis stable for a very long time.
Now Ghanaian exporters can sell their goods internationally at a cheaper rate.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by samorobo: 8:57am On Nov 13, 2019
Problemkid1:
Vaxx no dey ever gree ooh grin I no know which kind piking be that for Pete's sake grin anyway let me keep watching the show it's very very interesting cheesy Kenya is a shitthol but they don't want to accept. That's why poverty is increasing everyday in that glorified shitthol grin


I can bet my middle finger that they are tampering with their poverty figures..,.

Stupid zoo

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 8:58am On Nov 13, 2019
vaxx2:
How can they then think about social development like connecting the numbers of citizens in rural area to national grid, like water access , like building schools, hospitals or even financing bigger project in excess of 2 billion dollar without being hit hard ...
They can't for now because it will only lead to more debt

especially when only a small part of their budget is left for financing capital expenditure

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by gallivant: 9:00am On Nov 13, 2019
Kennyswagz2:
black and white stripes in Dubai?

It's not Lagos Nigeria, ask Sammy.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by samorobo: 9:03am On Nov 13, 2019
rvp2018:
You can fake something for 30yrs. Kenya has never been bankrupt. About 10yrs you were so bankrupt - you had all debts - forgiven by Paris Club - and now you're heading straight into another bankruptcy.

And we cannot fake pictures and videos of Kenya.



What pics and video are you talking about...is it the ones that reveals the secret midnight meetings your Polictians organise or which one......your middle class bubble burst alone has given us a clue on your fake gdp....don't even talk about debt or borrowing to pay salaries cause you practice the most stupid style...you borrow to pay previous debt...like who does that ....Like Nigerian Polictians can be silly at times but no this stupid....What is even the benefits of collecting tax if your generated revenue cannot even pay your debt...for the past five years now your debt has not dropped but soared, any your leader will tell you they are servicing your debt...like how nigga, howwww.. grin

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 9:03am On Nov 13, 2019
rvp2018:
You know the stats you buddy are quoting are very shocking. Inflation of 15% down to 7.5% for example is only possible in a country that is in economic mess. Not a country that is growing at such rate. Kenya inflation rate has always been under 5%. For all the time I can recall Kenya inflation has always been single digit. Nowadays it as low as 4%.

The accusation that Kshs is artificially pegged to dollar has no basis - Kshs for last 30yrs has been 63- 78 -85 -100 to the dollar. We cannot possibly sustain to keep Kshs for that long without the fundamentals. In our 50yrs of independence - we have only had one serious hyper-inflation last 2-3yrs - we had Kshs drop from 20shs to 60shs in 1992/1993 - after our central bank was looted/donor funding withdrawn - in the run up to the first real multiparty election.

no one is disputing the fact that Ghana has gone through an economic crisis and is back.

The accusation that your currency is artificially pegged to the dollar whiles your inflation is capped are factual

Those depreciation patterns correspond with your debt increment patterns as you struggle to keep it under control before all the cards come tumbling down.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by gallivant: 9:03am On Nov 13, 2019
samorobo:



Lol is this coming from a kenyan that usually repeat a district oftenly....

The infastructure are world class....oh I get it

Our infrastructure is world class. How many times will you post the same exact pictures? Just give us Instabul if you ran out of Eko pictures. grin
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 9:05am On Nov 13, 2019
samorobo:



I can bet my middle finger that they are tampering with their poverty figures..,.

Stupid zoo
lol! Why are you projecting your failures to us. Nigeria is the only zoo poverty stricken nation we know. You guys need to learn from your father Ghana to change. grin
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Problemkid1: 9:07am On Nov 13, 2019
samorobo:



I can bet my middle finger that they are tampering with their poverty figures..,.

Stupid zoo
grin grin

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by samorobo: 9:07am On Nov 13, 2019
gallivant:


It's not Lagos Nigeria, ask Sammy.


Not again...Are we still talking about Lagos world class infrastructures..does Dubai gate her apartment with tall fences? Do they use elevated pedestrian lane? Do they partition their road?.

Mumu boy

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 9:07am On Nov 13, 2019
How can a currency that is annually on a free-fall be called stable and predictable. Don't believe your own propaganda. You have negative feedback loop that is killing the CEDIS.
Just30:
Everyone trust such a currency because they know that it is transparent , stable, and predictable

not one that they will wake up one morning and interest rate has been capped, wake up the next morning and the value of the currency has jumped without any economic explanation.

Now that Ghana has built a positive trade balance, she is seeking to grow that trade balance
by seeking to increase her export values.

This is what will keep the cedis stable for a very long time.
Now Ghanaian exporters can sell their goods internationally at a cheaper rate.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Problemkid1: 9:08am On Nov 13, 2019
Shma:
lol! Why are you projecting your failures to us. Nigeria is the only zoo poverty stricken nation we know. You guys need to learn from your father Ghana to change. grin
But Ghana is still your father too grin but Ghana knows who the real father is grin your country is a complete ZOO grin

Poverty is chopping that zoo with no mercy grin grin bombastic fool cheesy

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 9:11am On Nov 13, 2019
How can inflation be capped smiley I think economics is not your strongest point. Kenya has not had any serious problem like Ghana. You're just barely out of IMF emergency programme. because you were defaulting on your debt obligation. You are re-basing aggressively as credit agencies and euro-bond interest hammer you.

We spend about 30% of our budget to re-pay debt and we borrow about 30%. It called debt re-financing. Once our revenues grow - we will start debt leveraging - borrowing more than we repay.

It's not even 3yrs when IMF came to bail you out - because despite the so called 8% fake growth rate - your fundamentals are a mess. At least everyone can see Ethiopia growth is real. Yours - outside - Oil & Minning - IS NON-EXISTENT.

Just30:
no one is disputing the fact that Ghana has gone through an economic crisis and is back.

The accusation that your currency is artificially pegged to the dollar whiles your inflation is capped are factual

Those depreciation patterns correspond with your debt increment patterns as you struggle to keep it under control before all the cards come tumbling down.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by samorobo: 9:12am On Nov 13, 2019
Just30:
by borrowing to support the currency
Caping inflation means that inflation cannot expose them until national revenue can no longer support debt repayment.

then they will turn to borrow new to pay old debts
Debt substitution program.

Gbam....That is a foolish act grin

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