I was not deceived or emotionally manipulated to submit the eternal ownership and control of my life to the true Saviour. I researched, questioned, and vetted everything and only accepted after been thoroughly convinced beyond any reasonable doubt. My quest to know what ultimately controls the physical, led me into demonic charm making and using diabolical powers to influence the physical before I later discovered that JESUS Christ is superior to them all.

I would never have believed that demons are very real if not that I've physically seen them before. If it was only I that day, I would have thought I was hallucinating. My friend still recalls where we saw them around 1:30AM while on our way to our girlfriends' house in the dead of the night. Youthful exuberance made us decide to go and spend the rest of the night with them, but we ended up running and slam knocking their door as if we wanted to tear it down. Even the third legs were paralyzed with fear for a long time after then. We often asked each other: "what if we died that night just because we wanted to feed the idiots' unbridled desires?"
This is one of the major occurrences that proved to me that the Spiritual Realm is very real and helped me made up my mind to accept Jesus Christ as my personal Lord, Savior and as my eternal Owner.

Sooner had I accepted Jesus, I began to pray for the infillng of the Holy Spirit. I love God truly, I needed evidence that HE is real and I wanted to become permanently His. Also, whatever I choose to do, I do wholeheartedly. Whenever Pastors are laying hands to impact Holy Spirit during Church Service, I would run to the front and submit my head to them. There was a particular case that the Pastor's hand seemed to be avoiding laying on my head properly. I shifted my head as if I was using my head to chase his hand until it settled properly on my head. Another time, I went to my seat after the laying of hands and quickly rejoined the que again to get his hands lay on me once again thinking that double impactation would make me shiver and shudder feeling the Holy Spirit for real. Lo and behold, I still felt nothing even after long period of kneeling down to pray when I got back to my seat. I almost ran back to my diabolical ways that guarantees quick visible "realistic" evidences. I thank JESUS Christ for helping me to decide to permanently stay in HIM regardless of whether HE proves HIMSELF or not. I voted like the Daniel, Shadrach Meshach and Abednego who vowed that they shall not forsake HIM even if HE didn't save them from the fiery Furnace. That is the real death to Flesh and Ego that is behind the ulterior motive of many. I became a real genuine Christian when I stopped asking HIM for evidenece. Only after then, HE then started making me to gently grow to know HIM at HIS Own pace, the sweetest Partner that anybody can have. I now hear HIM clearly, HE now uses me to do miracles and I'm eternally grateful for that. I've shared some testimonies here on NL, I'll share more later, if JESUS tarries.

We thank God for our Pastors that brought us this far, the onus falls on we the new Generation to grow beyond. New generation of phones, cars and techs generally are always far better than the former ones. We are not to permanently encamp arround what we learned from them, we are supposed to pray and cry for unprecedented infilling of Holy Spirit so that we can grow to become Spiritual giants far greater than our fathers in the LORD. Demonic agents are researching and coming up with new spiritual technologies to massively enslave more Souls into Hellfire. We are supposed to, more than ever before, lose ourself into JESUS Christ so that HE can do much more with us as required for the salvation of our Generation. Many pastors have erroneously made us take Christian Life to be sign-centered and feeling-focused. Many lost their salvation after years of expecting to feel Holy Spirit fall on them, but it didn't happen (it happened without them knowing it). Even many pastors that have endlessly prayed that the Holy Spirit should fill them without getting any answers from God (God answered them but they didn't know) have ended up in herbalist grooves, witches convens, wizards' convens, marine kingdoms in their egoistic quest for power. Satan successfully lured and trapped them to become his agents in the Body of Christ.

Therevare many, performing miracles and diceiving many into indirectly covenanting with Satan. Jesus relentless warned us not to look for signs but follow His Words. Matthew 24:11
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
He also call those that refused to believe in their CREATOR without a sign the evil generation. Because so many things have already proved HIS extennce to Man already. Even Man himself is enough miraclous reason to reverence and worship his infinitely Wise CREATOR. Faith! Believing in YAHWEH ALMIGHTY without feeling or seeing HIM is the action we take to receive our immortality that JESUS Christ paid for! JESUS already paid the price, it is left for us to do the needful to receive what HE paid for. Only irresponsible lazy Christianity is not ready to take any action to receive, faith is stretching one's hand to receive. Any Christianity that lack Faith is not true Christianity.
Matthew 16:4 The evil wicked and adulterous generation asks for sign (miracles)"

Strictly based on His prerogative, JESUS Christ still gives His Children power to do mighty signs and wonders, and real miracles still happens. But Satan deceived a great % of the Church to lose focus from the greatest Power that God gave to us. Faith! Faith!! Faith!!! When your Faith in your CREATOR depends on "feeling" the Holy Spirit or seeing a Miracle, then you are not different from those that go to herbalists to help them see! They live by sight, by what the fake prophets, fake alfas and herbalists see for them through demons that enslave them.

Irreversibly focus your Life on being permanently Holy and living according to His Will for your Life His Will for you may not always be goodygoody rollercoaster problem-free like many Pastors have deceived us to believe. Our primary Purpose here is to prove that nothing shall stop or preventing us from loving our CREATOR and doing His Will, even when our personal will has to die for His to prevail. Those that refused to be captured by Satan and trials of this temporary Life shall be rewarded with Immortality. The Just shall LIVE BY FAITH!!! Not by sight or feelings. This is the Life we have been called unto. This is the only Way to eternal Life.
Hebrews 10:38, Habakkuk 2:4 "Now (In this Generation!) the Just shall live by Faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him." Amen!

HalleluYAH! Remember that YAHWEH ALMIGHTY Himself is the Holy Spirit. And HE was never and shall never be in those Miracles, Signs and Wonders. The great Believers and Christians that lived before us had their lives documented so that we can learn about the Personality of the CREATOR of Heaven and earth. Read: 1 Kings 19:11-12
"11 And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the Lord. And, behold, the Lord passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the Lord; but the Lord was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the Lord was not in the earthquake:
12 And after the earthquake a fire; but the Lord was not in the fire: and after the fire a STILL SMALL VOICE
13 And it was so, when Elijah heard it, that he wrapped his face in his mantle.

The Bible also tells us that HE now lives in anyone that truly accepts Jesus Christ as his or her personal Lord and Savior. Irreversibly focusing on being Holy is what would now make HIM to become pronounced in your Life, to the extent of HIM using you to do Miracles, Signs and Wonders. Listen to His Still Small Voice in your heart, and you shall being to truly grow spiritually

Thank You JESUS YAHSHA HaMashiach!!!

Nice I must say

God is available for all, but only few really know WHO HE IS.

demons are just the dark matter of the opposite spectrum of the eternal reality

EternalBeing:
People appreciate me online and offline in my Church because I'm a realist to the core. I don't act holier than thou or pretend to be a super spiritual person than I am. I don't accept anything dogmatically, and I don't play along to get along. I question and vet everything and only accept after been thoroughly convinced beyond any reasonable doubt. My quest to know what ultimately controls the physical, led me into demonic charm making and using diabolical powers to influence the physical before I later discovered that JESUS Christ is superior to them all.

I would never have believed that demons are very real if not that I've physically seen them before. If it was only I that day, I would have thought I was hallucinating. My friend still recalls where we saw them around 1:30AM while on our way to our girlfriends' house in the dead of the night. Youthful exuberance made us to decide to go and spend the rest of the night with them, but we ended up running and slam knocking their door as if we wanted to tear it down. Even the third legs were paralyzed with fear for a long time after then. We often asked each other: "what if we died that night just because we wanted to feed the idiots' unbridled desires?"
This is one of the major occurrences that proved to me that the Spiritual Realm is very real and helped me made up my mind to accept Jesus Christ as my personal Lord, Savior and as my eternal Owner.

Sooner had I accepted Jesus, I began to pray for the infillng of the Holy Spirit. I love God truly, I needed evidence that HE is real and I wanted to become permanently His. Also, whatever I choose to do, I do wholeheartedly. Whenever Pastors are laying hands to impact Holy Spirit during Church Service, I would run to the front and submit my head to them. There was a particular case that the Pastor's hand seemed to be avoiding laying on my head properly. I shifted my head as if I was using my head to chase his hand until it settled properly on my head. Another time, I went to my seat after the laying of hands and quickly rejoined the que again to get his hands lay on me once again thinking that double impactation would make me shiver and shudder feeling the Holy Spirit for real. Lo and behold, I still felt nothing even after long period of kneeling down to pray when I got back to my seat. I almost ran back to my diabolical ways that guarantees quick visible "realistic" evidences. I thank JESUS Christ for helping me to decide to permanently stay in HIM regardless of whether HE proves HIMSELF or not. I voted like the Daniel, Shadrach Meshach and Abednego who vowed that they shall not forsake HIM even if HE didn't save them from the fiery Furnace. That is the real death to Flesh and Ego that is behind the ulterior motive of many. I became a real genuine Christian when I stopped asking HIM for evidenece. HE then started making me to gently grow to know HIM at HIS Own pace, the sweetest Partner that anybody can have. I now hear HIM clearly, HE now uses me to do miracles and I'm eternally grateful for that.

We thank God for our Pastors that brought us this far, we the new Generation must grow beyond. Many pastors have erroneously make us take Christian Life to be sign-centered and feeling-focused. Many lost their salvation after years of expecting to feel Holy Spirit fall on them, but it didn't happen (it happened without them knowing it). Even many pastors that have endlessly prayed that the Holy Spirit should fill them without getting any answers from God (God answered them but they didn't know) have ended up in herbalist grooves, witches convens, wizards' convens, marine kingdoms in their egoistic quest for power. Satan successfully lured and trapped them to become his agents in the Body of Christ. They are many, performing miracles and diceiving many into indirectly covenanting with Satan. Jesus relentless warned us not to look for signs but follow His Words. Matthew 24:11
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
He also call those that refused to believe in their CREATOR without a sign the evil generation. Because so many things have already proved HIS extended to Man already. Even Man himself is enough miraclous reason to reverence and worship his infinitely Wise CREATOR.
Matthew 16:4 The evil wicked and adulterous generation asks for sign (miracles)"

Strictly based on His prerogative, JESUS Christ still gives His Children power to do mighty signs and wonders, and real miracles still happens. But Satan deceived a great % of the Church to lose focus from the greatest Power that God gave to us. Faith! Faith!! Faith!!! When your Faith in your CREATOR depends on "feeling" the Holy Spirit or seeing a Miracle, then you are not different from those that go to herbalists to help them see! They live by sight, by what the fake prophets, fake alfas and herbalists see for them through demons that enslave them.

Irreversibly focus your Life on being permanently Holy and living according to His Will for your Life His Will for you may not always be goodygoody rollercoaster problem-free like many Pastors have deceived us to believe. Our primary Purpose here is to prove that nothing shall stop or preventing us from loving our CREATOR and doing His Will, even when our personal will has to die for His to prevail. Those that refused to be captured by Satan and trials of this temporary Life shall be rewarded with Immortality. The Just shall LIVE BY FAITH!!! Not by sight or feelings. This is the Life we have been called unto. This is the only Way to eternal Life.
Hebrews 10:38, Habakkuk 2:4 "Now (In this Generation!) the Just shall live by Faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him." Amen!

I love your perspective on these truths.Keep sharing them bro.

Lalasticlala Happy Sunday.

Hmm. That's a very nice one Op. Belief in God regardless of what God does or does not do, just as it was in the instance of the fabulous and fantastic four pioneer scientists, namely Daniel, Shadrach Meshach and Abednego.

That's the kind of belief that evokes the greatest kind of response from heaven, that unflinching belief in God whether the fig tree blossoms or not.

May God give us the grace to rise above the level of what God does, to who God is. Amen!

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EternalBeing:
I was not deceived or emotionally manipulated to submit the eternal ownership and control of my life to the true Saviour. I researched, questioned, and vetted everything and only accepted after been thoroughly convinced beyond any reasonable doubt. My quest to know what ultimately controls the physical, led me into demonic charm making and using diabolical powers to influence the physical before I later discovered that JESUS Christ is superior to them all.

I would never have believed that demons are very real if not that I've physically seen them before. If it was only I that day, I would have thought I was hallucinating. My friend still recalls where we saw them around 1:30AM while on our way to our girlfriends' house in the dead of the night. Youthful exuberance made us decide to go and spend the rest of the night with them, but we ended up running and slam knocking their door as if we wanted to tear it down. Even the third legs were paralyzed with fear for a long time after then. We often asked each other: "what if we died that night just because we wanted to feed the idiots' unbridled desires?"
This is one of the major occurrences that proved to me that the Spiritual Realm is very real and helped me made up my mind to accept Jesus Christ as my personal Lord, Savior and as my eternal Owner.

Sooner had I accepted Jesus, I began to pray for the infillng of the Holy Spirit. I love God truly, I needed evidence that HE is real and I wanted to become permanently His. Also, whatever I choose to do, I do wholeheartedly. Whenever Pastors are laying hands to impact Holy Spirit during Church Service, I would run to the front and submit my head to them. There was a particular case that the Pastor's hand seemed to be avoiding laying on my head properly. I shifted my head as if I was using my head to chase his hand until it settled properly on my head. Another time, I went to my seat after the laying of hands and quickly rejoined the que again to get his hands lay on me once again thinking that double impactation would make me shiver and shudder feeling the Holy Spirit for real. Lo and behold, I still felt nothing even after long period of kneeling down to pray when I got back to my seat. I almost ran back to my diabolical ways that guarantees quick visible "realistic" evidences. I thank JESUS Christ for helping me to decide to permanently stay in HIM regardless of whether HE proves HIMSELF or not. I voted like the Daniel, Shadrach Meshach and Abednego who vowed that they shall not forsake HIM even if HE didn't save them from the fiery Furnace. That is the real death to Flesh and Ego that is behind the ulterior motive of many. I became a real genuine Christian when I stopped asking HIM for evidenece. Only after then, HE then started making me to gently grow to know HIM at HIS Own pace, the sweetest Partner that anybody can have. I now hear HIM clearly, HE now uses me to do miracles and I'm eternally grateful for that. I've shared some testimonies here on NL, I'll share more later, if JESUS tarries.

We thank God for our Pastors that brought us this far, the onus falls on we the new Generation to grow beyond. New generation of phones, cars and techs generally are always far better than the former ones. We are not to permanently encamp arround what we learned from them, we are supposed to pray and cry for unprecedented infilling of Holy Spirit so that we can grow to become Spiritual giants far greater than our fathers in the LORD. Demonic agents are researching and coming up with new spiritual technologies to massively enslave more Souls into Hellfire. We are supposed to, more than ever before, lose ourself into JESUS Christ so that HE can do much more with us as required for the salvation of our Generation. Many pastors have erroneously made us take Christian Life to be sign-centered and feeling-focused. Many lost their salvation after years of expecting to feel Holy Spirit fall on them, but it didn't happen (it happened without them knowing it). Even many pastors that have endlessly prayed that the Holy Spirit should fill them without getting any answers from God (God answered them but they didn't know) have ended up in herbalist grooves, witches convens, wizards' convens, marine kingdoms in their egoistic quest for power. Satan successfully lured and trapped them to become his agents in the Body of Christ.

Therevare many, performing miracles and diceiving many into indirectly covenanting with Satan. Jesus relentless warned us not to look for signs but follow His Words. Matthew 24:11
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
He also call those that refused to believe in their CREATOR without a sign the evil generation. Because so many things have already proved HIS extennce to Man already. Even Man himself is enough miraclous reason to reverence and worship his infinitely Wise CREATOR. Faith! Believing in YAHWEH ALMIGHTY without feeling or seeing HIM is the action we take to receive our immortality that JESUS Christ paid for! JESUS already paid the price, it is left for us to do the needful to receive what HE paid for. Only irresponsible lazy Christianity is not ready to take any action to receive, faith is stretching one's hand to receive. Any Christianity that lack Faith is not true Christianity.
Matthew 16:4 The evil wicked and adulterous generation asks for sign (miracles)"

Strictly based on His prerogative, JESUS Christ still gives His Children power to do mighty signs and wonders, and real miracles still happens. But Satan deceived a great % of the Church to lose focus from the greatest Power that God gave to us. Faith! Faith!! Faith!!! When your Faith in your CREATOR depends on "feeling" the Holy Spirit or seeing a Miracle, then you are not different from those that go to herbalists to help them see! They live by sight, by what the fake prophets, fake alfas and herbalists see for them through demons that enslave them.

Irreversibly focus your Life on being permanently Holy and living according to His Will for your Life His Will for you may not always be goodygoody rollercoaster problem-free like many Pastors have deceived us to believe. Our primary Purpose here is to prove that nothing shall stop or preventing us from loving our CREATOR and doing His Will, even when our personal will has to die for His to prevail. Those that refused to be captured by Satan and trials of this temporary Life shall be rewarded with Immortality. The Just shall LIVE BY FAITH!!! Not by sight or feelings. This is the Life we have been called unto. This is the only Way to eternal Life.
Hebrews 10:38, Habakkuk 2:4 "Now (In this Generation!) the Just shall live by Faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him." Amen!

That's the problem with religion.

How can God give you something you have been asking for without you Knowing?

It doesn't sound logical for the all-powerful, all-knowing God to give you something and you don't know it.

sotall:


That's the problem with religion.

How can God give you something you have been asking for without you Knowing?

It doesn't sound logical for the all-powerful, all-knowing God to give you something and you don't know it.

There are so many things in the world that are not logical.....if u are lucky enuf to do research in area of molecular biology or biotechnology.... u will see enuf illogical data...you’ll explain what’s logical as far as u can and leave the rest for continuous probing......don’t u read scientific journals where they use phrases like”the reason in for this is not fully understood” ?...
Look around you, Is this life or even logical?? U arrive from a womb, u strife, and then u die like a dog or a chicken...is that logical..?

EternalBeing:
Thank You JESUS YAHSHA HaMashiach!!!

Good testimony.

"Then Jesus told him, “You believe because you have seen me. Blessed are those who believe without seeing me.” john 20:29

Maranatha

1StopRudeness:


There are so many things in the world that are not logical.....if u are lucky enuf to do research in area of molecular biology or biotechnology.... u will see enuf illogical data...you’ll explain what’s logical as far as u can and leave the rest for continuous probing......don’t u read scientific journals where they use phrases like”the reason in for this is not fully understood” ?...
Look around you, Is this life or even logical?? U arrive from a womb, u strife, and then u die like a dog or a chicken...is that logical..?

That more research still needs to be done or more knowledge still needs to be gained for proper understanding of science doesn't mean it isn't logical.

sotall:


That more research still needs to be done or more knowledge still needs to be gained for proper understanding of science doesn't mean it isn't logical.

Exactly, there’s nothing man fully understands, because we are limited in brain power....until research is done we won’t have full explanation for anything, even religion....
that’s why it’s always weird to me when someone discredits other people ideaology...

1StopRudeness:


Exactly, there’s nothing man fully understands, because we are limited in brain power....until research is done we won’t have full explanation for anything, even religion....
that’s why it’s always weird to me when someone discredits other people ideaology...

Sorry science and religion are two different unlike poles.

There are five senses (and maybe six) given in this world to man to evaluate, check, and analyse his environment.
Unfortunately , none of these can be used to evaluate religion.

Religion remains a dumb quest to answer some people's mystery about life

sotall:


Sorry science and religion are two different unlike poles.

There are five senses (and maybe six) given in this world to man to evaluate, check, and analyse his environment.
Unfortunately , none of these can be used to evaluate religion.

Religion remains a dumb quest to answer some people's mystery about life

I don’t like to dialogue with one direction people like you, cos you always feel your opinion is right...life isn’t always about right or wrong...

weda it’s religion or science ...they are both an ideaology at the the end of the day constructed by man based on what they have experienced. if that’s too hard for u to understand then we are not revolving in the same frequency.... u seem like u just wanna bash religion...please go ahead. I ain’t interested..

1StopRudeness:



I don’t like to dialogue with one direction people like you, cos you always feel your opinion is right...life isn’t always about right or wrong...

weda it’s religion or science ...they are both an ideaology at the the end of the day constructed by man based on what they have experienced. if that’s too hard for u to understand then we are not revolving in the same frequency.... u seem like u just wanna bash religion...please go ahead. I ain’t interested..

As expected chicken out when a superior argument is conceded

sotall:


As expected chicken out when a superior argument is conceded

Yours is not superior in anyway. I guess he has more important things to do with his time. I'm sure he's not alone.

korlahwarleh:

Yours is not superior in anyway. I guess he has more important things to do with his time. I'm sure he's not alone.

Now run along, birds of same feather

-

sotall:


As expected chicken out when a superior argument is conceded

Chicken out? Don’t be condescending, it’s not a good thing you know.I got bored with ur dialogue cos u are not even dialoging objectively
u are just bashing the religion line of thought with the same point over and over in each of ur comment....
Incase u ain’t following my drift... I’m not here to discuss the superiority of science over religion..I was the one that introduce science initially just to drive home the point that even science that stem out from careful research also have illogical data all the time just as the life we live in ain’t logical.

..the fact is religion and science are both an ideaology with loop holes....Incase uve forgotten religion isn’t all about explaining mans existence or the future, it’s also about guidelines for living at peace with ur fellow man in the short time we all have here...
hate religion all u want, but it’s the mandate that guide some people to living a good life....there are excellent scientist that are Muslims, Christians, Buddhist, Hindu Incase u don’t know....are they stupid for being a scientist and religious at the same time??

thou shall not kill, lie, steal, covet are commandments in most religion..if that area of religion isn’t logical, u won’t have something similar in the constitution of most nations punishable by death or prison sentence....

sotall:


That's the problem with religion.

How can God give you something you have been asking for without you Knowing?

It doesn't sound logical for the all-powerful, all-knowing God to give you something and you don't know it.

Thats what we call living by faith. You don't need to feel it first but believe it is already there only then will it manifest.

Like you who is saying why won't you know, it means you dont believed that is why you dont know and want to know as your knowing here is based on seeing it before believing which is the opposite of faith.

Jewessgratitude:


Thats what we call living by faith. You don't need to feel it first but believe it is already there only then will it manifest.

Like you who is saying why won't you know, it means you dont believed that is why you dont know abd want to know and your knowing here is based on seeing it before believing which is the opposite of faith.

Maybe you need to calm down and understand the discussion before jumping in.

God gave you something you have been praying for.
How will you not know?

It's either God didn't answer the prayer or the relationship is fake

sotall:


Maybe you need to calm down and understand the discussion before jumping in.

God gave you something you have been praying for.
How will you not know?

It's either God didn't answer the prayer or the relationship is fake

I understood you perfectly well.
God answers and you dont have to see it to know he actually answered. Even when you dont see it, he has given it to you. You now have to wait for it to manifest as theres a waiting time but God answers immediately. There are things you need to do in your waiting period which is Thanksgiving and praises to Him for giving it to you.
You can't work with God or get anything from him if you're a realist. Or using your human reasoning. You need to be a spiritualist to enjoy God. For they that must worship God must worship him in spirit and in truth.


In all, God answers immediately we pray.

Jewessgratitude:



I understood you perfectly well.
God answers and you dont have to see it to know he actually answered. Even when you dont see it, he has given it to you. You now have to wait for it to manifest as theres a waiting time but God answers immediately. There are things you need to do in your waiting period which is Thanksgiving and praises to Him for giving it to you.
You can't work with God or get anything from him if you're a realist. Or using your human reasoning. You need to be a spiritualist to enjoy God. For they that must worship God must worship him in spirit and in truth.


In all, God answers immediately we pray.

This sounds ridiculous.

You have no idea you have been given something and then you go ahead believing you have it.

If that was the case, God wouldn't need to give you eyes nor a brain cause all you need is to believe him.

Giving you eyes and brain and telling you not to use it sounds stupid

sotall:


That's the problem with religion.

How can God give you something you have been asking for without you Knowing?

It doesn't sound logical for the all-powerful, all-knowing God to give you something and you don't know it.

The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing. But to not to us who believe.

jclassiq:

The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing. But to not to us who believe.

Take your message to those who needs it.

Gullible people who believe in enriching their fellow man and think they are wise while at it

sotall:


Take your message to those who needs it.

Gullible people who believe in enriching their fellow man and think they are wise while at it

Sir may I ask why you are so angry? Its not like being a christian is by force nah.

Oh

jclassiq:

The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing. But to not to us who believe.

This is not a good line to use for someone that seems confused and negative about the scripture..