Danzakidakura:
no sir you dont join them, but you should organize people to help you beat them.MNK has been beating them with his IPOB with foreign backups that refused to recognize them as
terrorists

My brother to be honest with you I always was opposed to this Biafra issue. I felt a restructured Nigeria is better. This administration don however knack sense enter my head. It has never been this bad.

mcquin:

I beg to disagree. A gentleman once said, "my political ambition is not worth the blood of anyone," and he stayed true to it. He had all the aces, could remove Jega, then INEC chairman; but chose not to heat up the polity. Today even those in opposition won't raise a brow if Jonathan is crowned father of modern democracy.

The day you lose a loved one to politics in the name of it being war, then you'd understand that politics is primarily public service. I pray the good Lord helps disabuse the mind of Nigerians of this thuggish approach to life.

It is your opinion to disagree my good brother but let me ask
Politically speaking, where is that gentleman today in the Nigerian context? Father of modern democracy who couldn't even have the ear of his party chairman nor his state governor whom he literary made governor years ago?
Finally, the good lord has given men free will to make choices and live with the consequences, there's no way God will "help" disabuse any mind as that will amount to an abuse of a person's freewill in itself.

fykes:

It is your opinion to disagree my good brother but let me ask
Politically speaking, where is that gentleman today in the Nigerian context? Father of modern democracy who couldn't even have the ear of his party chairman nor his state governor whom he literary made governor years ago?
Finally, the good lord has given men free will to make choices and live with the consequences, there's no way God will "help" disabuse any mind as that will amount to an abuse of a person's freewill in itself.

Where is Nelson Mandela today, where is Obama today? For crying out loud; politics isn't your private business that you run till death. Serve your father land and take a bow. Jonathan's act of conceding defeat will always be talked about when ever debates on democracy is raised. And how one man truncated our nascent democracy will also be raised. It is always better to have the higher moral ground.

Na una way of reasoning as regards politics, "do or die," nai make us dey were we dey.

OP, most of the statements you put up there are either misquoted or taken out of contest.
someone said dogs and baboons would soak in blood if elections were rigged and another said they would form a parallel government if elections were rigged and you dared compare that with someone who openly declared that he was going to overthrow a duly elected government?
A times I wonder how you guys allow sentiments to becloud your reasoning so much.
It's actually pitiable seeing you guys go on and off over something that would have been a simple matter of common sense

Habakus:
OP, most of the statements you put up there are either misquoted or taken out of contest.
someone said dogs and baboons would soak in blood if elections were rigged and another said they would form a parallel government if elections were rigged and you dared compare that with someone who openly declared that he was going to overthrow a duly elected government?
A times I wonder how you guys allow sentiments to becloud your reasoning so much.
It's actually pitiable seeing you guys go on and off over something that would have been a simple matter of common sense

I knew someone will come up with this. The base-line is, " are these issues that raise security threats that the government of the day could have deployed state apparatus to nip at the board?"

We have seen the current government doing all within its powers to arrest situations it feels is at variance with its interest including gagging the media. How would the then opposition have felt if the then government made arrest on what the termed "threat to national security," after all the current government (then opposition) has been using same excuse to clamp down on opposition?

mcquin:

Its so sad that many have lost their conscience in Nigeria. If you supported the man in 2015 as a result of ignorance. It's no big deal to own up to the mistake and going forward criticize him where necessary. Patriotism isn't following one blindly.

It's not patriotism. It's actually the opposite. It's selfishness and parochialism.
If it was patriotism, then that means majority of Nigerians were not patriots in 2015 for voting out a sitting president.

Agboriotejoye:

It's not patriotism. It's actually the opposite. It's selfishness and parochialism.
If it was patriotism, then that means majority of Nigerians were not patriots in 2015 for voting out a sitting president.

Sarrki and Afamed will fight you if they see this my brother. But this truth couldn't have been better put.

mcquin:

I knew someone will come up with this. The base-line is, " are these issues that raise security threats that the government of the day could have deployed state apparatus to nip at the board?"

We have seen the current government doing all within its powers to arrest situations it feels is at variance with its interest including gagging the media. How would the then opposition have felt if the then government made arrest on what the termed "threat to national security," after all the current government (then opposition) has been using same excuse to clamp down on opposition?

You see,the way you use your words and your diction matters a lot in politics.
The person who made the dogs and baboons statement wouldn't have had any case to answer by simply claiming he was referring to animals and not nigerians - as simple as that.
In the 'parallel government' statement, how could you arrest him when you didn't even know who would rig the elections or win the election except if you planned to rig the elections.

That's were Sowore erred.
He didn't just call for revolution; he was emphatic that his intention was to overthrow a sitting government. spot the difference?
You see,that's the difference between an experienced politician and a neophyte.
permit me to digress a bit.
Some people have called for the arrest of Tinubu over the bullion van issue and I have asked: is it against the law for a bullion van to be seen driving into someone's compound?
Do you know what was inside the bullion van?
I cited the above just to elaborate on how people just speak randomly without due course to reasoning.

Habakus:


You see,the way you use your words and your diction matters a lot in politics.
The person who made the dogs and baboons statement wouldn't have had any case to answer by simply claiming he was referring to animals and not nigerians - as simple as that.
In the 'parallel government' statement, how could you arrest him when you didn't even know who would rig the elections or win the election except if you planned to rig the elections.

That's were Sowore erred.
He didn't just call for revolution; he was emphatic that his intention was to overthrow a sitting government. spot the difference?
You see,that's the difference between an experienced politician and a neophyte.
permit me to digress a bit.
Some people have called for the arrest of Tinubu over the bullion van issue and I have asked: is it against the law for a bullion van to be seen driving into someone's compound?
Do you know what was inside the bullion van?
I cited the above just to elaborate on how people just speak randomly without due course to reasoning.

I am really not interested in Nigerian politics but in your opinion don't you think Tinubu matter deserved to be looked into by the FG?

I know you might argue that he is a private citizen but nevertheless a private citizen that is a major influencer on Nigerian politics.

Habakus:


You see,the way you use your words and your diction matters a lot in politics.
The person who made the dogs and baboons statement wouldn't have had any case to answer by simply claiming he was referring to animals and not nigerians - as simple as that.
In the 'parallel government' statement, how could you arrest him when you didn't even know who would rig the elections or win the election except if you planned to rig the elections.

That's were Sowore erred.
He didn't just call for revolution; he was emphatic that his intention was to overthrow a sitting government. spot the difference?
You see,that's the difference between an experienced politician and a neophyte.
permit me to digress a bit.
Some people have called for the arrest of Tinubu over the bullion van issue and I have asked: is it against the law for a bullion van to be seen driving into someone's compound?
Do you know what was inside the bullion van?
I cited the above just to elaborate on how people just speak randomly without due course to reasoning.

Hello, there's no way around both. Stating you'll set up a parallel government is incitive and sufficient enough for an arrest.

Now in both cases you mentioned, Buhari's government will arrest you and allow you give those narratives in court. Jonathan just allowed room for the insults and was truly accommodating. It won't take him anything to arrest Amaechi and Buhari, while they go to court to tell their side of the story.

Hoephase:


I am really not interested in Nigerian politics but in your opinion don't you think Tinubu matter deserved to be looked into by the FG?

I know you might argue that he is a private citizen but nevertheless a private citizen that is a major influencer on Nigerian politics.

No bro. Tinubu has absolutely no case to answer...Except if you can prove that there was money inside the bullion van. Even at that,you'd have to prove that he broke a law by bringing money into his compound using bullion van.

You see how difficult it is?

mcquin:

Hello, there's no way around both. Stating you'll set up a parallel government is incitive and sufficient enough for an arrest.

Now in both cases you mentioned, Buhari's government will arrest you and allow you give those narratives in court. Jonathan just allowed room for the insults and was truly accommodating. It won't take him anything to arrest Amaechi and Buhari, while they go to court to tell their side of the story.

I think some of these issues are indeed difficult for some people to grasp because we're beginning to go round and round.

If you think the Fg shouldn't have taken any action against Sowore,go to USA and proclaim publicly that you're going to carry out a revolution and remove Trump as the president,and watch as the security agencies in US would give you a resounding applause for a job well done.

Habakus:

I think some of these issues are indeed difficult for some people to grasp because we're beginning to go round and round.

If you think the Fg shouldn't have taken any action against Sowore,go to USA and proclaim publicly that you're going to carry out a revolution and remove Trump as the president,and watch as the security agencies in US would give you a resounding applause for a job well done.

Hello, you'll always have your day in court in the U.S if you are perceived to be in breach of the law.

Post here a case where a U.S citizen is killed because he thereatened the government. No just dey talk for mouth.

If the court and it's position will not be respected, then scrap it. If persons will not be tried, then remove the constitutional safe-guard of "innocent until found guilty by a competent court."

Habakus:

No bro. Tinubu has absolutely no case to answer...Except if you can prove that there was money inside the bullion van. Even at that,you'd have to prove that he broke a law by bringing money into his compound using bullion van.

You see how difficult it is?

Many Nigerians have been arrested on grounds of mere suspicion. It isn't the duty of you and I to investigate crimes of money laundering, it is for the relevant agencies to do that. They have been called to investigate what it was that was being carried. What's the big deal investigating what is being carried in a bullion van on the eve before an election day.

Follow up Trump's impeachment session and see how institutions are patriotic to the country and not president, doing their job regardless of how the president is affected. Note that they investigated and did not wait for the president to come give them details of his 'phonr calls.'

mcquin:

Many Nigerians have been arrested on grounds of mere suspicion. It isn't the duty of you and I to investigate crimes of money laundering, it is for the relevant agencies to do that. They have been called to investigate what it was that was being carried. What's the big deal investigating what is being carried in a bullion van on the eve before an election day.

Follow up Trump's impeachment session and see how institutions are patriotic to the country and not president, doing their job regardless of how the president is affected. Note that they investigated and did not wait for the president to come give them details of his 'phwho carronr calls.'

Once again you're getting it all wrong.
In Trump's case that you mentioned, an anonymous whistle blower provided evidence of the details of the phone call Trump made; it was enough to proceed for an investigation.
In Tinubu's scenario, all you have is a bullion van driving into a compound - which is not a crime in the country,is that enough for DSS or EFCC to investigate?
Or are you saying that anybody who is seen with anything big enough to contain money on the eve of an election in Nigeria should be investigated? Where do you see that in any law in Nigeria?
Can you mention any Nigerian that has been arrested in this government on mere suspicion?

mcquin:


Hello, you'll always have your day in court in the U.S if you are perceived to be in breach of the law.

Post here a case where a U.S citizen is killed because he thereatened the government. No just dey talk for mouth.

If the court and it's position will not be respected, then scrap it. If persons will not be tried, then remove the constitutional safe-guard of "innocent until found guilty by a competent court."

Don't shift grounds bro,let's stick to the point.
The issue you raised initially is that Sowore shouldn't have been arrested. We're not talking about extra-judicial killings by the government or other unrelated breaches of the constitution by the Fg.
The fact is that Sowore was arrested and rearrested on charges bordering on treason and fraud; is that constitutionally right? Yes.
Is he having his day in court? Yes.
If you do the same thing in US,would you be charged? Absolutely yes. And would you have your day in court? Yes,that is,if any of the secret agencies don't eliminate the person before he gets to the court.

Habakus:

Don't shift grounds bro,let's stick to the point.
The issue you raised initially is that Sowore shouldn't have been arrested. We're not talking about extra-judicial killings by the government or other unrelated breaches of the constitution by the Fg.
The fact is that Sowore was arrested and rearrested on charges bordering on treason and fraud; is that constitutionally right? Yes.
Is he having his day in court? Yes.
If you do the same thing in US,would you be charged? Absolutely yes. And would you have your day in court? Yes,that is,if any of the secret agencies don't eliminate the person before he gets to the court.

For heaven's sake, no one is shifting ground. The questions raised have not been addressed by you. Your claim is Sowore's committed treason and should be tried, my question is, who tried Buhari when he suspended the constitution and constitutional institutions in his coup, who tried Amaechi for saying "they will create a parallel government?" Abi na only one person the law dey meant for? Can Amaechi go to the U.S and say he'll create a parellel government while Trump is on sit destabilizing his government?

Can Buhari go to America and threaten violence with his infamous "dogs and baboon statement?"

Can Buhari go to America and without due process of law remove a sitting C.J who by doctrine of seperation of power is at par with him?

Can Buhari go before the American BAR and say National security is more important than rule of law and the C.J will stand there clapping for him (wondering wetin en de secure).

Can Buhari disobey American courts after it had granted bail to person's presumed innocent by the constitution until proven guilty, without the said Buhari being impeached?

We can go on and on about the human right abuses and complete disregard for Nigerians by Buhari, a thing he can't try abroad without his a.s.s being shown the way out.

Habakus:

Once again you're getting it all wrong.
In Trump's case that you mentioned, an anonymous whistle blower provided evidence of the details of the phone call Trump made; it was enough to proceed for an investigation.
In Tinubu's scenario, all you have is a bullion van driving into a compound - which is not a crime in the country,is that enough for DSS or EFCC to investigate?
Or are you saying that anybody who is seen with anything big enough to contain money on the eve of an election in Nigeria should be investigated? Where do you see that in any law in Nigeria?
Can you mention any Nigerian that has been arrested in this government on mere suspicion?

You are missing it. Being a former public servant, an interested party in the election at a time and considering the timing, there was every reason to be investigated. The E.F.C.C had been petitioned. They had a duty to investigate.

You don't investigate what is already in the open. What is the difficulty investigating what was in the bullion van at a time? I wonder if some of you hear yourself at all. And una wan go America, so na so the America de do? Trump is under investigation over 2020 elections. So why shouldn't a party chieftain whom you know has interest in an election not be investigated when trucks meant for conveying money is seen driving into his house and people are outing waiting for him on the eve to elections?

mcquin:

For heaven's sake, no one is shifting ground. The questions raised have not been addressed by you. Your claim is Sowore's committed treason and should be tried, my question is, who tried Buhari when he suspended the constitution and constitutional institutions in his coup, who tried Amaechi for saying "they will create a parallel government?" Abi na only one person the law dey meant for? Can Amaechi go to the U.S and say he'll create a parellel government while Trump is on sit destabilizing his government?

Can Buhari go to America and threaten violence with his infamous "dogs and baboon statement?"

Can Buhari go to America and without due process of law remove a sitting C.J who by doctrine of seperation of power is at par with him?

Can Buhari go before the American BAR and say National security is more important than rule of law and the C.J will stand there clapping for him (wondering wetin en de secure).

Can Buhari disobey American courts after it had granted bail to person's presumed innocent by the constitution until proven guilty, without the said Buhari being impeached?

We can go on and on about the human right abuses and complete disregard for Nigerians by Buhari, a thing he can't try abroad without his a.s.s being shown the way out.

You should now see why I said we should stick to the initial issue you raised; you're bringing up several other matters that will make us to digress.
For the records,I never said Sowore committed treason. I didn't say that.
I only said that he was emphatic on removing the government through a revolution,and as such,it's not unconstitutional if the government arrests him for that. This I believe,is simple enough.
If you think Buhari committed a crime by over throwing a government via coup,are you now saying his government in a democratic setting shouldn't hold someone who tries to do same responsible for it? In fact,are you insinuating that anybody can try to remove the government of the day 'illegitimately' and Buhari should do nothing?
Let me tell you this: even in developed climes,there are times national security overrides individual rights( find out about people held in Guatemala prison by the US government).
As per the 'parallel government' statement, I've explained that in my previous comment.
To simplify it,that statement was very ambiguous for the government then to have acted upon.

Display of cowardice! You know it's the truth but twisting to run away

Commentor:


We never had a conversation.

mcquin:

You are missing it. Being a former public servant, an interested party in the election at a time and considering the timing, there was every reason to be investigated. The E.F.C.C had been petitioned. They had a duty to investigate.

You don't investigate what is already in the open. What is the difficulty investigating what was in the bullion van at a time? I wonder if some of you hear yourself at all. And una wan go America, so na so the America de do? Trump is under investigation over 2020 elections. So why shouldn't a party chieftain whom you know has interest in an election not be investigated when trucks meant for conveying money is seen driving into his house and people are outing waiting for him on the eve to elections?

What exactly would you investigate Tinubu for?
For money laundering? For transporting money in bullion van on the eve of an election?
If it's for money laundering, then consider the huge work EFCC would have to do to prove the case,and of course,how laughable EFCC would look before the court in trying to prove that a bullion van that they didn't see its content was driving into someone's compound. Come on now! Be real!

Yeye dey smell. Why does the Geneva convention protect civilians esp women and children in wars? Supporting Bubu shouldn't make you a zombie!

fykes:

I will answer u.
First, "politics is war, by other means"
Then, "all is fair in love and war"
Finally, "in times of war, moral obligations takes d back seat"
Do the math and get ur answer.

This thread isnt about Tinubu and bullion van! If you wanna absolve him of any allegation, do it somewhere else but mark it somewhere, Tinubu made a gross mistake with that act and he will pay for it. It's a matter of time.

Habakus:

No bro. Tinubu has absolutely no case to answer...Except if you can prove that there was money inside the bullion van. Even at that,you'd have to prove that he broke a law by bringing money into his compound using bullion van.

You see how difficult it is?

DMerciful:
This thread isnt about Tinubu and bullion van! If you wanna absolve him of any allegation, do it somewhere else but mark it somewhere, Tinubu made a gross mistake with that act and he will pay for it. It's a matter of time.

If you were following my discussion with the Op,you'd know that we've touched on several issues including the 'bullion van' issue.
Tinubu,more or less, has absolutely no case to answer regarding the bullion van issue; except if the law in Nigeria concerning that scenario is tweaked and backdated.
As much as you may love to hate Tinubu, he's very smart at what he did on the eve of election.
You can only speculate,wish for him to go in for it or wail over it as much as you want.

That action is a debt he already owed, it will be used against him in the future. No matter how smart someone is, he will eventually slip up some day. You know the truth but in denial!

Habakus:

If you were following my discussion with the Op,you'd know that we've touched on several issues including the 'bullion van' issue.
Tinubu,more or less, has absolutely no case to answer regarding the bullion van issue; except if the law in Nigeria concerning that scenario is tweaked and backdated.
As much as you may love to hate Tinubu, he's very smart at what he did on the eve of election.
You can only speculate,wish for him to go in for it or wail over it as much as you want.

DMerciful:
That action is a debt he already owed, it will be used against him in the future. No matter how smart someone is, he will eventually slip up some day. You know the truth but in denial!

How can he pay for a crime he didn't commit?
We are not talking about future slip-ups,are we?
Because even you who maybe carried a nylon bag from your room to the sitting room on the eve of the election day is owing a debt that might be used against you in the future.

Even Tinubu did not say it wasnt money in the bullion Vans, I dont know why you want everybody to believe is not money. In an interview Tinubu agreed it was money but he said he is a private citizen and can do whatever he likes with his money including giving it out to his people. The video is online, stop defending an easy case. The only thing saving him is that he is Bubu's ally

Habakus:

How can he pay for a crime he didn't commit?
We are not talking about future slip-ups,are we?
Because even you who maybe carried a nylon bag from your room to the sitting room on the eve of the election day is owing a debt that might be used against you in the future.

DMerciful:
Even Tinubu did not say it wasnt money in the bullion Vans, I dont know why you want everybody to believe is not money. In an interview Tinubu agreed it was money but he said he is a private citizen and can do whatever he likes with his money including giving it out to his people. The video is online, stop defending an easy case. The only thing saving him is that he is Bubu's ally

He has no case to answer.
How many notable lawyers in Nigeria have you seen calling for his arrest because a bullion van was seen driving into his compound?
There's absolutely no law against that in Nigeria. Can't you just get that!

Habakus:

What exactly would you investigate Tinubu for?
For money laundering? For transporting money in bullion van on the eve of an election?
If it's for money laundering, then consider the huge work EFCC would have to do to prove the case,and of course,how laughable EFCC would look before the court in trying to prove that a bullion van that they didn't see its content was driving into someone's compound. Come on now! Be real!

You no serious. What is their work before? Are they not suppose to undergo "huge work" in establishing their cases. Oh in investigating PDP members "huge work's is not undergone, it is in calling Tinubu for questioning that requires huge work?
Kini big deal investigating Tinubu's accounts and that of his companies to know if a huge amount of money was removed on an election eve. It won't take Buhari a thing to investigate Tinubu if he were in the opposition. Infact the Buhari we know will first arrest Tinubu and begin to investigate him while he is in jail. Has that not been the modus operandi of this government? From there they begin to amend his charge.

If PDP should come on board tomorrow, investigating Tinubu won't be a thing.

Habakus:

He has no case to answer.
How many notable lawyers in Nigeria have you seen calling for his arrest because a bullion van was seen driving into his compound?
There's absolutely no law against that in Nigeria. Can't you just get that!

How many notable lawyers called for the arrest of Sowore before his arrest? Go on YouTube and see how many persons have called for investigation into the "bullion van" saga.

And please check the link https://www.independent.ng/bullion-vans-nigerians-have-right-to-demand-demand-tinubus-investigation-ozekhome/

mcquin:

How many notable lawyers called for the arrest of Sowore before his arrest? Go on YouTube and see how many persons have called for investigation into the "bullion van" saga.

And please check the link https://www.independent.ng/bullion-vans-nigerians-have-right-to-demand-demand-tinubus-investigation-ozekhome/

Kindly go through the link you posted. Ozekhome was saying that Nigerians have a right to demand that Tinubu should be investigated; he wasn't calling for his arrest.
Nobody is arguing whether Nigerians have the right or not.
In fact,Ozekhome said categorically that he wasn't saying that Tinubu committed any crime,or even likely broke any relevant law.
In other words,he was calling on EFCC just to oblige some Nigerians.

mcquin:

You no serious. What is their work before? Are they not suppose to undergo "huge work" in establishing their cases. Oh in investigating PDP members "huge work's is not undergone, it is in calling Tinubu for questioning that requires huge work?
Kini big deal investigating Tinubu's accounts and that of his companies to know if a huge amount of money was removed on an election eve. It won't take Buhari a thing to investigate Tinubu if he were in the opposition. Infact the Buhari we know will first arrest Tinubu and begin to investigate him while he is in jail. Has that not been the modus operandi of this government? From there they begin to amend his charge.

If PDP should come on board tomorrow, investigating Tinubu won't be a thing.

So what if Tinubu is investigated and found to have withdrawn his own personal money and shared to people on the eve of an election, what would now happen?