chrmn1:

They are different persons but have a common essence. That scripture compares man/spirit of man to God/Spirit of God. Man reflects the reality of the triune nature of God but not totally. In the case of man the spirit, soul and body are all enclosed in one being but in the case of God the Father and the Word can be in heaven whereas His Spirit is on the earth but one cannot work solely without the intervention of the other.

CAPTIVATOR:


How about the humans that are worshipped, do u accept they are God ?

CAPTIVATOR:

Its still on record that you said Father and his spirit are same persons. Now you have separated them.

Question : How many persons know the time of the end ? One? Two ?

chrmn1:

No what I said is that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. You are using the way it applies to humans in understanding how it applies to God. I just gave you an example that the Holy Spirit could be on earth whilst the Father is in heaven unlike how it applies to humans.

Now the only one that has a human side to him is Jesus and that was because of redemptiom/the fall of man. The Holyspirit has no human side and the Father has no human side. So if Jesus says that only the Father knows the time, the Spirit automatically knows the time even if it is not mentioned explicitly.

chrmn1:

Human worship doesnt make the man God, its idolatry.

chrmn1:

No what I said is that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. You are using the way it applies to humans in understanding how it applies to God. I just gave you an example that the Holy Spirit could be on earth whilst the Father is in heaven unlike how it applies to humans.

Now the only one that has a human side to him is Jesus and that was because of redemptiom/the fall of man. The Holyspirit has no human side and the Father has no human side. So if Jesus says that only the Father knows the time, the Spirit automatically knows the time even if it is not mentioned explicitly.

CAPTIVATOR:


The baffling thing is despite your record is here where you said Father and Holy spirit are same person . You are still twisting , With that single statement the whole of trinity is in shambles since we do not have three different persons but two ( Father and spirit = person one ) ( Jesus = person two ) ( person three ?)

Realizing this you changed mouth again and said they are three personalities, three different persons which even complicate matters more, how many persons know the time of the end ?

Jesus said one single person, is he lying ?

shadeyinka:

You know you went AWOL after you couldn't answer a simple question.

Ok o!

Please, who owns the Universe?
You may call Janosky to help you out.

shadeyinka:

Good,
Yahweh (Jesus, the Word) who did the actual Work of creation RESTED after His Work.
Col 1:16-18:
"for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him : and he is before all things, and by him all things consist: and he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the pre-eminence."


Your esteemed NWT
Col
16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist,


Note the phrase CREATED FOR HIM

shadeyinka:

Good,
Yahweh (Jesus, the Word) who did the actual Work of creation RESTED after His Work.
Col 1:16-18:
"for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him : and he is before all things, and by him all things consist: and he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the pre-eminence."


Your esteemed NWT
Col
16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist,


Note the phrase CREATED FOR HIM

shadeyinka:


I have rested my case.
The One who worked Rested. QED!

shadeyinka:

I asked a simple question:
What is death?

I expect the see "Death is.....!"

CAPTIVATOR:


For clearer understanding , am using your point of view to explain my point. When u say " human Body dies " what do u mean by death ? Exactly my definition of death.

CAPTIVATOR:


Typical ignorance display. Scripture said Yahweh rested , Is Yahweh Jesus ? Mr man

Exodus 3:15,16 Gives the identity of Yahweh as God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob .. Abeg , is that Jesus ??

CAPTIVATOR:


Romans 11:36 Concerning Yahweh, The God and Father of Jesus, verse said " FROM HIM and BY HIM and FOR HIM are all things "

" FROM HIM " . never used For Jesus. Superiority


Question here is: What was created through Yahweh, Father of Jesus ?

CAPTIVATOR:


Your premise is flawed

Yahweh isn't Jesus. Let me show you Yahweh, when revealing himself to Moses he said I am the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. One question for you : Is Jesus the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob ?

CAPTIVATOR:


Which question exactly ? Have answered you. I wasn't notified of your next replies. But replied now



Yahweh own the universe . " Father of all" " From whom all things came from " Eph 4:6 , 1Cor 8:6

CAPTIVATOR:


The baffling thing is despite your record is here where you said Father and Holy spirit are same person . You are still twisting , With that single statement the whole of trinity is in shambles since we do not have three different persons but two ( Father and spirit = person one ) ( Jesus = person two ) ( person three ?)

Realizing this you changed mouth again and said they are three personalities, three different persons which even complicate matters more, how many persons know the time of the end ?

Jesus said one single person, is he lying ?

chrmn1:

the baffling thing is that you are misinterpreting my statement. Okay ignore every notion in your head and settle it that [b] there are 3 persons [/b]functioning in a manner such that one cannot function without the others.

You are also implying that the lack of mention of the spirit implies that he isn't involved. Perhaps God was lying when He said, "Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: “I am the LORD, who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;" Isaiah 44:24

Was God lying when He said this because all through scriptures its clear that God made the world along with the Word and Spirit.

shadeyinka:

Of course!

John 8:56-58:
"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it , and was glad. Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am ."

And the upper part of the scripture I quoted above:
Gen 18:1-3:
"And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; and he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, and said, My Lord , if now I have found favor in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:"

Did Jehovah become Flesh here?

shadeyinka:

As far as you are concerned,
1. Yahweh created Jesus
2. Jesus created all other things for Yahweh
But here the scripture you quoted shows that ALL other things were created FOR JESUS!

What's the implication of this simple scripture?

shadeyinka:

I will respond to this by showing you that Yahweh is the "Word made Flesh"

Gen 18:16-22:
"And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way. And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do; seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him. And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomor´rah is great, and because their sin is very grievous, I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD."

The same Yahweh who Abraham stood before is "the Word became Flesh"!

If God is spirit, who stood with two angels with Abraham?

shadeyinka:

I asked a question!
There isn't anything difficult in saying what death means. So, stop being evasive except you don't know the answer!

CAPTIVATOR:


You are only sounding more silly u know?

Father is a different person from the holy spirit agree?

If yes, everything you type at bold is trash cos it means Jesus Lied only one person when they are actually two diffferent person that knows

I still demand an answer, which is correct

• Only the Father ? ( one person)

or Father and Holy spirit? ( two person )

chrmn1:

The bible did not mention explicitly. However we can make deductions from scriptures. My guess is that He does know but even then the bible says He only speaks what He is given to speak. (John 16:13)

CAPTIVATOR:


Confused fellow

If there are three person, please how many persons know the day and hour , ?

chrmn1:

You always use wrong assumptions. They are different I agree and I even explained to you how this is the case citing that the Father is in heaven today whilst the Spirit is with us. You are straw-clutching my great guy.

The reason why the Spirit knows is because He knows the secrets of the Father so I am saying to you that Jesus did not need to declare that the Spirit also knows. It's just like saying you and your spirit know about a secret privy to only you. The difference between you and God is that the spirit and soul and body are enclosed in one in you whilst with God they are different personalities. Read Isaiah 44:24 and tell mme if God lied.

Barristter07:


You mean Jesus lied that only the Father knows ? Emphasis on " Only "

chrmn1:

answer my question in Isaiah 44 don't escape. The Father and the Spirit know the hour. Jesus is in a different form compared to the two. He did it for humanity. The Father and Spirit have no human side.

chrmn1:

Read Isaiah 44:24

CAPTIVATOR:


Spirit does not have flesh and bones, Do u agree with this ? And is it found in the scriptures ?

CAPTIVATOR:


How about the humans that are worshipped, do u accept they are God ?