Barristter07:


So wrong, that Isaiah said poured TO DEATH . not in death . my friend will say " You are in soup " lol .

How could soul be poured to lifelessness, if its ever conscious and alive ?



Calm down, You again defined death as lifelessness when you said " physically body dies [ death ] " . You are the one lacking comprehension here, because you gave out the meaning of death easily in that sentence as been lifeless ( dead, dies )

All liars shall have their part in the lake of fire!

shadeyinka:

I don't know whether this is ignorance personified or a deliberate act of feigning low intelligence.

Let me spell it out like I am speaking with a toddler!
1. When a person dies physically, his (soul and spirit) are poured out of his body and so, the BODY becomes lifeless.
2. The (soul and spirit) are conscious and the person is in a state (alive) similar to that of the Angels.
3. Angels are living conscious beings with no physical body.

I know this is still above your level of comprehension. So, if you still have any question, be my guest.

nnnnnnnn

The Body Becomes lifeless because the life of the Body (His Soul/Spirit) has been poured out of him (disconnected, separated).

Unfortunately, liars always lie. It's their trade mark to twist a phrase to mean their lies like their father.

Gen 3:1:
"Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, Yes, has God said, You shall not eat of every tree of the garden?"

See how subtle Gods Commands was changed

Barristter07:


Cc : Captivator .

Act 3:13 differentiate Jesus from God of Abraham, Yes or no ?


Have shown, Past ... Did Abraham entertain angels or not ?

The same Jesus is:
Isa 9:6-7:
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given: and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, on the throne of David, and on his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from now on even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."

Abraham is "some people"!
Okay, I'll add it to my dictionary!


Let me ask you a direct question: probably this will end this back and forth

If Jehovah is the Almighty God, what kind of god/God is Jesus?

shadeyinka:

The same Jesus is:
Isa 9:6-7:
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given: and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, on the throne of David, and on his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from now on even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."

Abraham is "some people"!
Okay, I'll add it to my dictionary!


Let me ask you a direct question: probably this will end this back and forth

If Jehovah is the Almighty God, what kind of god/God is Jesus?

(*1). John1:1c

1924: "the Logos was divine" – The
Bible:
James Moffatt Translation , by James
Moffatt.

[*2]
1935: "and the Word was divine" – The
Bible: An American Translation , by
John
M. P. Smith and Edgar J. Goodspeed ,
Chicago.

[**3]
1955: "so the Word was divine" – The
Authentic New Testament , by Hugh J.
Schonfield , Aberdeen.

[**4]

1958: "and the Word was a god" – The
New Testament of Our Lord and
Saviour
Jesus Anointed (J. L. Tomanec, 1958);

(**5)
1975 "and a god (or, of a divine kind)
was the Word" – Das Evangelium nach
Johnnes , by Siegfried Schulz,
Göttingen, Germany


** divine.
/dɪˈvʌɪn/
adjective
1. of or like God or a god.

synonyms: godly, godlike,.

shadeyinka:

All liars shall have their part in the lake of fire!



The Body Becomes lifeless because the life of the Body (His Soul/Spirit) has been poured out of him (disconnected, separated).

Unfortunately, liars always lie. It's their trade mark to twist a phrase to mean their lies like their father.

Gen 3:1:
"Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, Yes, has God said, You shall not eat of every tree of the garden?"

See how subtle Gods Commands was changed

Genesis 3:5
The Serpent's Deception= Shadeyinka LIE.
…4 “You will not surely die,” the serpent told
her."

AKA His Soul/Spirit (of Adam ) has been poured out of him (disconnected, separated,
. "You will not surely die,” the serpent said).
Adam and Eve goes on living in another realm to suffer eternal torture.
Contrary to Yahweh's decree. Genesis 3:19. Romans6:23.
Jesus Christ would enforce Yahweh's decree again in the future. 2 Thess1:7-9.

Barristter07:
@ chrmn1

Here is Matthew 24:36



"But concerning that day and hour, no one knows , not even the angels of the heavens, nor the Son, except the Father only. "

Emphasis on the underlined, NO ONE KNOWS ... That rule out anyone else knowing . so you are lost at 1. either admitting Holy spirit doesn't know OR

2. accepting Holy spirit is just a power of the Father not a person , therefore not to be captured among no one knows .

Hectic day it's been!

I submit that you can ask a servant to do work and claim the credit but the bible says everything was created by Jesus and for Jesus so clearly He is much more than an assistant in the process. Nebuchadnezzar has no say here because was a proud and boastful man and he even declared himself to be ruler of the word, if I recall correctly. If God said He did it alone and all things were created for Him and yet also the same bible says all things were created by Jesus and for Jesus, you have to pay attention. This is not quite the same as the Moses' example.

Rev 19:12-13 reads "His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that NO ONE KNOWS BUT HIMSELF. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God"

Can we also say that the Father doesn't know since it was emphasized "but Himself" referring to Christ?

If the Spirit has access to the thoughts of the Father I wonder which of the contents He wouldn't know.

CAPTIVATOR:


My servant, whom I have chosen , Not whom I will chose . its already a done deal... As at that point when God chosed him in heaven, was he a servant or not ? U lack comprehension

Bros no be fight na. It's always a lovely thing to reason in scriptures so it's always nice to look at other perspectives. I can't know all and you can't either. We all learn from each other daily.

My understanding is that God exists outside time so time is not the matter here. I said that the scripture you quoted was made in reference to Christ's redemptive work on the earth. The passage in Colossians shows that not only did Jesus create everything but that He also created them for Himself which is at variance with the analogy you gave about a master asking his secretary to write a letter and taking the glory.

If Christ was always a servant why did He need to undo His divine nature and take up the form of a servant at a certain point as revealed in Phil 2:6?

chrmn1:

Hectic day it's been!

I submit that you can ask a servant to do work and claim the credit but the bible says everything was created by Jesus and for Jesus so clearly He is much more than an assistant in the process. If God said He did it alone and all things were created for Him and yet also the same bible says all things were created by Jesus and for Jesus, you have to pay attention.

Don't confuse yourself.
The Greek " Dia antou "= THROUGH (him) Or "by means of him" ,that's the correct expression.
Jesus was working with another Being, (the Father of Jesus ) he calls 'my God,my Father" (John1:2-3, Rev 3:5,12. Ephesians 3:14-15).

** See other evidences below:
(*1)
John 1:10
He was in the world, and though the world
was made through Him, the world did not
recognize Him.
(*2)
1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father,
from whom all things came and for whom
we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus
Christ, through whom all things came and
through whom we exist.
(*3)
Colossians 1:16
For in Him all things were created, things in
heaven and on earth, visible and invisible,
whether thrones or dominions or rulers or
authorities. All things were created through
Him and for Him.

(*4)
Hebrews 1:2
But in these last days He has spoken to us
by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all
things, and through whom He made the
universe.


Lexicon (John1:3)
** THROUGH
δι’ (di’)
Preposition
Strong's Greek 1223: A primary preposition
denoting the channel of an act; through.
** Him
αὐτοῦ (autou)
Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Genitive
Masculine 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 846: He, she, it, they, them,
same. From the particle au; the reflexive
pronoun self, used of the third person, and
of the other persons.
*** all things
πάντα (panta)
Adjective - Nominative Neuter Plural
Strong's Greek 3956: All, the whole, every
kind of. Including all the forms of
declension; apparently a primary word; all,
any, every, the whole.
*** were made,"

Question:
Ephesians 3:14-15, is Jesus the Father to whom every family in heaven and earth owes their name?

chrmn1:


(1)
. The passage in Colossians shows that not only did Jesus create everything but that He also created them for Himself which is at variance with the analogy you gave about a master asking his secretary to write a letter and taking the glory.


(**2)
If Christ was always a servant why did He need to undo His divine nature and take up the form of a servant at a certain point as revealed in Phil 2:6?

(1)

The Greek " Dia antou "= THROUGH (him) Or
"by means of him" ,that's the correct
expression.
Jesus was working with another Being, (the
Father of Jesus ) he calls 'my God,my
Father" (John1:2-3, Rev 3:5,12. Ephesians
3:14-15).

Hebrews 1:2
But in these last days He has spoken to us
by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all
things, and through whom He made the
universe. "

Proof: Jesus Christ was a Son of God BEFORE the His Father made the universe THROUGH his son.



(2).
Romans 8:3
Because spirit beings can not live on earth.

Janosky:


Don't confuse yourself.
The Greek " Dia antou "= THROUGH (him) Or "by means of him" ,that's the correct expression.
Jesus was working with another Being, (the Father of Jesus ) he calls 'my God,my Father" (John1:2-3, Rev 3:5,12. Ephesians 3:14-15).
See the evidences below:
(*1)
John 1:10
He was in the world, and though the world
was made through Him, the world did not
recognize Him.
(*2)
1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father,
from whom all things came and for whom
we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus
Christ, through whom all things came and
through whom we exist.
(*3)
Colossians 1:16
For in Him all things were created, things in
heaven and on earth, visible and invisible,
whether thrones or dominions or rulers or
authorities. All things were created through
Him and for Him.

(*4)
Hebrews 1:2
But in these last days He has spoken to us
by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all
things, and through whom He made the
universe.


Lexicon
** THROUGH
δι’ (di’)
Preposition
Strong's Greek 1223: A primary preposition
denoting the channel of an act; through.
** Him
αὐτοῦ (autou)
Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Genitive
Masculine 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 846: He, she, it, they, them,
same. From the particle au; the reflexive
pronoun self, used of the third person, and
of the other persons.
*** all things
πάντα (panta)
Adjective - Nominative Neuter Plural
Strong's Greek 3956: All, the whole, every
kind of. Including all the forms of
declension; apparently a primary word; all,
any, every, the whole.
*** were made,"

Question:
Ephesians 3:14-15, is Jesus the Father to whom every family in heaven and earth owes their name?

The argument is not about whether or not whether God is His Father or not or whether He did it solely without any other being. Scriptures are clear regarding these matters.

I pointed out that Jesus was more than just a channel or as Captivator would put it, a secretary writing a letter for his boss who takes the glory because the letter was both the boss' idea and for his purpose also. Scriptures declare that "all things were made....for Him"

Jesus cannot be the Father because he took up humanity for the salvation of you and me.

Janosky:


(1)

The Greek " Dia antou "= THROUGH (him) Or
"by means of him" ,that's the correct
expression.
Jesus was working with another Being, (the
Father of Jesus ) he calls 'my God,my
Father" (John1:2-3, Rev 3:5,12. Ephesians
3:14-15).

Hebrews 1:2
But in these last days He has spoken to us
by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all
things, and through whom He made the
universe. "

Proof: Jesus Christ was a Son of God BEFORE the His Father made the universe THROUGH his son.



(2).
Romans 8:3
Because spirit beings can not live on earth.

(2)
Yes I was simply telling Captivator that that passage in Isaiah 42 references his job as a servant for redemption and he wasn't always so if not he wouldn't need to become one.

(1)
At the time Hebrews was written Jesus was the Son. It's just like saying "Mohammed Ali was a non-Muslim."
The above statement does not prove that he was Muhammed Ali before he got converted to Islam. We are calling him Ali now in the light of recent events but we unsunderstand that he was Clay at the time he wasn't a Muslim.

chrmn1:


(2)
Yes I was simply telling Captivator that that passage in Isaiah 42 references his job as a servant for redemption and he wasn't always so if not he wouldn't need to become one.

(1)
At the time Hebrews was written Jesus was the Son. It's just like saying "Mohammed Ali was a non-Muslim."
The above statement does not prove that he was Muhammed Ali before he got converted to Islam. We are calling him Ali now in the light of recent events but we unsunderstand that he was Clay at the time he wasn't a Muslim.

(1).
Between the spiritual realm and the physical realm,which exists first ?
Which is more powerful and stronger?

1 Cor 8:6
"Yet there is for us only one God, the Father,
who is the CREATOR OF ALL" , deal with it, bro.

Hebrew 1:2 refers to the time when Jesus sonship predates the physical realm (universe).

Rev 3:5,12 in the spiritual realm Jesus sonship is incontrovertible.
The Greek Dia= THROUGH , another key point for emphasis.

(2).
Jesus is a servant/son of the God of Abraham, Acts 3:13. He has always been so, before his earthly sojourn

chrmn1:



I pointed out that Jesus was more than just a channel or as Captivator would put it, a secretary writing a letter for his boss who takes the glory because the letter was both the boss' idea and for his purpose also. Scriptures declare that "all things were made....for Him"

.

yet for us there is one God, the Father. All
things are from Him, and we exist for Him.
And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ. All
things are through Him, and we exist
through Him."

We also exist for the Father who created ALL., all things exist for the Father too.
But we exist through Jesus

chrmn1:

Hectic day it's been!

I submit that you can ask a servant to do work and claim the credit but the bible says everything was created by Jesus and for Jesus so clearly He is much more than an assistant in the process. Nebuchadnezzar has no say here because was a proud and boastful man and he even declared himself to be ruler of the word, if I recall correctly. If God said He did it alone and all things were created for Him and yet also the same bible says all things were created by Jesus and for Jesus, you have to pay attention. This is not quite the same as the Moses' example.

Rev 19:12-13 reads "His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that NO ONE KNOWS BUT HIMSELF. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God"

Can we also say that the Father doesn't know since it was emphasized "but Himself" referring to Christ?

If the Spirit has access to the thoughts of the Father I wonder which of the contents He wouldn't know.

[u] The text never said He has a name which no one knows, but a qualifier was added which excepted the writer " Written " compare Rev 2:7 .

Pay attention to the bold, the name was written by someone, clearly he got it from his Father .

The language of Matthew 24:36 doesnt call for any third party, Its specific and direct ... It didnt say the day was written whereby maybe the Father employed the service of anyone to write it on a wall , its a Sole Knowledge. Nobody Knows except one single person, The Father .

shadeyinka:

The same Jesus is:
Isa 9:6-7:
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given: and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, on the throne of David, and on his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from now on even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."

Abraham is "some people"!
Okay, I'll add it to my dictionary!

Act 3:13 separates Jesus from God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, yes or no ?

Let me quote it again.

" The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant Jesus "

Who Glorified Jesus ? Question 1.

Let me ask you a direct question: probably this will end this back and forth

If Jehovah is the Almighty God, what kind of god/God is Jesus?

A God who has a God, Revelation 3:12 He testified he has a God , just like humans are GODS yet they have a God. That fact alone defeat any notion of Almighty. The Almighty Supreme being doesn't have a God.

shadeyinka:

All liars shall have their part in the lake of fire!



The Body Becomes lifeless because the life of the Body (His Soul/Spirit) has been poured out of him (disconnected, separated).

Unfortunately, liars always lie. It's their trade mark to twist a phrase to mean their lies like their father.

Gen 3:1:
"Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, Yes, has God said, You shall not eat of every tree of the garden? "

See how subtle Gods Commands was changed

You affirm it again .
A Lifeless body is a Dead body , agree?

shadeyinka:

That is why I always marvel at your unscholarly methods of interpreting the scriptures. You jumped from
Ex33:19–23 to Ex14:19 just because you want to promote your doctrinal lies!

Exo 14:19-20:
"And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them: And it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel; and it was a cloud and darkness to them, but it gave light by night to these: so that the one came not near the other all the night."

The Bible is explicit here:
Two things happened
1. The Angel of the Lord who went before them moved to their rear
AND
2. The Pillar of Cloud also went behind them.

Two separate events.

Exo 33:9:
"And it came to pass, as Moses entered into the tabernacle, the cloudy pillar descended, and stood at the door of the tabernacle, and the Lord talked with Moses."

I guess you'll say here that the angel of the Lord descended in a cloud! SMH

Let me help you with a single scripture that would remove the veil in your eyes

" I am sending an ANGEL ahead of you to guard you on the way and to bring you into the place that I have prepared, pay attention to him And obey HIS VOICE ... Because my name is in him " Exodus 23:21 .

It was an angel acting with the name Yahweh , the voice they are hearing is that of this angel. Grade A example of an angel acting in the name of Yahweh.

The same applies to one of the men entertained by Abraham, an angel acting in Yahweh's behalf. The fact that scripture said those entertained are angels Is enough to open your eyes.

Is Jesus an angel ? Since you claim one of them is Jesus ?

shadeyinka:

Fill in the gaps with your wild speculations!

The Bible expressly said

Gen 18:1-3:
"And the LORD appeared to him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, see, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, And said, My LORD , if now I have found favor in your sight, pass not away, I pray you, from your servant:"

And yet, you remain blind to what is expressly written.

Who did Abraham see?
Yahweh and Two Angels in the form of men! No denial will change that!

It would interest you to know that the popular account of the Burning bush was actually an angel representing Yahweh, Yet Moses address this angel as Yahweh himself.

So I don't know why you are making a fuss from Genesis 18. He saw three men, and they ate and got entertained, Hebrew 13:2 Paul remind of these events one of whom is Abraham who entertained angels not God himself.

John 1:18 “No man has seen God at any time.” (John 1:18)

What Abraham saw are angels , one of whom represent Yahweh . as did other scripture

shadeyinka:

See like a toddler: jumped on a single distorted phrase and he has got an answer. No wonder you have a knack of misunderstanding the whole scripture.

You are now implying Soul can't die, where's the Messiah soul will have to die evidenced by " poured to death [been dead ] "

Shadeyinka or Isaiah who is lying?

So ordinary body dies not the person of Jesus himself ?

If I didn't write that the BODY becomes lifeless you would probably have a salient point.

And like a toddler in kindergarten class, you forgot The (soul and spirit) are conscious and the person is in a state (alive) similar to that of the Angels

If it's about your archaic dictionary, is it the body that becomes lifeless at death OR the soul/spirit of man that becomes lifeless!??

@red, to verify
Luke 23:46 Father into your hands I commend my spirit, Was Jesus person ( similar to angel) In heaven that day ?

Barristter07:


You are now implying Soul can't die, where's the Messiah soul will have to die evidenced by " poured to death [been dead ] "

Shadeyinka or Isaiah who is lying?

So ordinary body dies not the person of Jesus himself ?


@red, to verify
Luke 23:46 Father into your hands I commend my spirit, Was Jesus person ( similar to angel) In heaven that day ?

See! When I say your reasoning is like kindergarten stage. The Messiah poured out his soul in death means the physical Messiah died. You see how one has to spell it out like to a toddler (yet you blindly cannot comprehend)

I have written that physical death means that the body becomes lifeless because the soul/spirit was disconnected/separated/poured out (of the container, the body) AND you are reinterpreting it to mean the Soul/Spirit dies! SMH.

You quote Lk23:46 which exactly support my labari since morning.
Jesus body became lifeless because his soul/spirit was poured out of his body). He says, into Your hand I commend my spirit!

Like the Angels, Jesus was alive, conscious, physically invisible as a personality. So that in that state, he could preach to the "spirits in prison". I didn't say Jesus became an angel.

Barristter07:


It would interest you to know that the popular account of the Burning bush was actually an angel representing Yahweh, Yet Moses address this angel as Yahweh himself.

So I don't know why you are making a fuss from Genesis 18. He saw three men, and they ate and got entertained, Hebrew 13:2 Paul remind of these events one of whom is Abraham who entertained angels not God himself.

John 1:18 “No man has seen God at any time.” (John 1:18)

What Abraham saw are angels , one of whom represent Yahweh . as did other scripture

Reinterprete the Scripture as much as you want. It's your trademark anyway! It is way too explicit.
Gen 18:32-33:
"And he said, Oh let not the LORD be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake. And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned to his place."

Before we know it now, you'll extend it to say "It was the angel of the Lord that walked in the garden of Eden and called "Adam, where are you?"

Barristter07:


Let me help you with a single scripture that would remove the veil in your eyes

" I am sending an ANGEL ahead of you to guard you on the way and to bring you into the place that I have prepared, pay attention to him And obey HIS VOICE ... Because my name is in him " Exodus 23:21 .

It was an angel acting with the name Yahweh , the voice they are hearing is that of this angel. Grade A example of an angel acting in the name of Yahweh.

The same applies to one of the men entertained by Abraham, an angel acting in Yahweh's behalf. The fact that scripture said those entertained are angels Is enough to open your eyes.

Is Jesus an angel ? Since you claim one of them is Jesus ?

Like I said: it's your trademark. You can reinterprete the scriptures the way you like.

You could as well replace Jehovah anytime you see it in the scriptures as "the angel of Jehovah".

@ bolded!
Your doctrine is the one that teach that Jesus is an angel (specifically angel Michael).

Barristter07:

You affirm it again .
A Lifeless body is a Dead body , agree?

I am not affirming it again! At least not from you.

In your words, (which for the first time you have adjusted much closer to my truth): a lifeless body is a DEAD body because the essence of life (his soul/spirit) is poured out of the body!

Therefore Stephen could say,
Acts 7:59:
"And they stoned Stephen, calling on God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit."

Barristter07:


Act 3:13 separates Jesus from God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, yes or no ?

Let me quote it again.

" The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant Jesus "

Who Glorified Jesus ? Question 1.




A God who has a God, Revelation 3:12 He testified he has a God , just like humans are GODS yet they have a God. That fact alone defeat any notion of Almighty. The Almighty Supreme being doesn't have a God.

You DID not answer my very important question!

If Jehovah is the almighty God, what kind of god/God is Jesus?

Please don't ignore this again!

Janosky:


Genesis 3:5
The Serpent's Deception= Shadeyinka LIE.
…4 “You will not surely die,” the serpent told
her."

AKA His Soul/Spirit (of Adam ) has been poured out of him (disconnected, separated,
. "You will not surely die,” the serpent said).
Adam and Eve goes on living in another realm to suffer eternal torture.
Contrary to Yahweh's decree. Genesis 3:19. Romans6:23.
Jesus Christ would enforce Yahweh's decree again in the future. 2 Thess1:7-9.

You will not surly die was the second lie and a direct one.

The first lie was the sublease one.
What God said:
Gen 2:16-17:
"And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat : But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof you shall surely die."


What satan said:

Gen 3:1:
"Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, Yes, has God said, You shall not eat of every tree of the garden?"

Subtle lies: your trademark!

Janosky:


(*1). John1:1c

1924: "the Logos was divine" – The
Bible:
James Moffatt Translation , by James
Moffatt.

[*2]
1935: "and the Word was divine" – The
Bible: An American Translation , by
John
M. P. Smith and Edgar J. Goodspeed ,
Chicago.

[**3]
1955: "so the Word was divine" – The
Authentic New Testament , by Hugh J.
Schonfield , Aberdeen.

[**4]

1958: "and the Word was a god" – The
New Testament of Our Lord and
Saviour
Jesus Anointed (J. L. Tomanec, 1958);

(**5)
1975 "and a god (or, of a divine kind)
was the Word" – Das Evangelium nach
Johnnes , by Siegfried Schulz,
Göttingen, Germany


** divine.
/dɪˈvʌɪn/
adjective
1. of or like God or a god.

synonyms: godly, godlike,.

I am still wondering why you can't give me a direct answer and you have to "date" from 1935 to 1955 to 1958 to 1975 giving statements of the word was divine to the word was a god!
You suddenly out of the blues (even though you had two most recent definitions) to propagate "devine"! As suddenly as that, you jumped to synonym of devine. SMH

Let me help you out by quoting the NWT (the best translation that will free you from having to resort to synonyms and antonyms) 2008 translation

John1:1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.


So my question again:

If Jehovah is the Almighty God, what kind of god/God is Jesus?

Janosky:


(*1). John1:1c

1924: "the Logos was divine" – The
Bible:
James Moffatt Translation , by James
Moffatt.

[*2]
1935: "and the Word was divine" – The
Bible: An American Translation , by
John
M. P. Smith and Edgar J. Goodspeed ,
Chicago.

[**3]
1955: "so the Word was divine" – The
Authentic New Testament , by Hugh J.
Schonfield , Aberdeen.

[**4]

1958: "and the Word was a god" – The
New Testament of Our Lord and
Saviour
Jesus Anointed (J. L. Tomanec, 1958);

(**5)
1975 "and a god (or, of a divine kind)
was the Word" – Das Evangelium nach
Johnnes , by Siegfried Schulz,
Göttingen, Germany


** divine.
/dɪˈvʌɪn/
adjective
1. of or like God or a god.

synonyms: godly, godlike,.

You guys cannot answer simple question. What kind of God is Jesus?
I know you guys will soon say Jesus is not a God. Lol

shadeyinka:

I am still wondering why you can't give me a direct answer and you have to "date" from 1935 to 1955 to 1958 to 1975 giving statements of the word was divine to the word was a god!
You suddenly out of the blues (even though you had two most recent definitions) to propagate "devine"! As suddenly as that, you jumped to synonym of devine. SMH

Let me help you out by quoting the NWT (the best translation that will free you from having to resort to synonyms and antonyms) 2008 translation

John1:1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.


So my question again:

If Jehovah is the Almighty God, what kind of god/God is Jesus?

Isaiah's prophecy answered this question Sir!

@Isaiah 9:6

A son
Wonderful counselor
Mighty God
Eternal father
Prince of Peace

According to prophet Isaiah Jesus would serve those five purposes, but to answer this bolded Isaiah said Jesus will be called..... a mighty God

So Jesus WAS a Might God like other Gods that are lesser than the Almighty God! Psalms 82:1,6

Exodus 6:2-3 made us to understand that the ALMIGHTY GOD is JEHOVAH! Psalms 83:18

And Jesus himself confirmed it several times that he is LESSER than the Almighty God who sent him! Mark 12:28-29, John 8:28, 20:17

chrmn1:


The argument is not about whether or not whether God is His Father or not or whether He did it solely without any other being. Scriptures are clear regarding these matters.

I pointed out that Jesus was more than just a channel or as Captivator would put it, a secretary writing a letter for his boss who takes the glory because the letter was both the boss' idea and for his purpose also. Scriptures declare that "all things were made....for Him"

Jesus cannot be the Father because he took up humanity for the salvation of you and me.

What I want you to understand is that Jesus have a God, even as a divine being. Rev 3:12

shadeyinka:

You will not surly die was the second lie and a direct one.

The first lie was the sublease one.
What God said:
Gen 2:16-17:
"And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat : But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof you shall surely die."


What satan said:

Gen 3:1:
"Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, Yes, has God said, You shall not eat of every tree of the garden?"

Subtle lies: your trademark!

By declaring a person continue to exist after their body death, You are promoting Satan's lie that indeed nobody really dies . its ordinary container that dies Not the person. Satanic

chrmn1:

Bros no be fight na. It's always a lovely thing to reason in scriptures so it's always nice to look at other perspectives. I can't know all and you can't either. We all learn from each other daily.

My understanding is that God exists outside time so time is not the matter here. I said that the scripture you quoted was made in reference to Christ's redemptive work on the earth. The passage in Colossians shows that not only did Jesus create everything but that He also created them for Himself which is at variance with the analogy you gave about a master asking his secretary to write a letter and taking the glory.

Jesus is not the Creator - Matthew 19:4,6 . he gave that title to his Father.

If Christ was always a servant why did He need to undo His divine nature and take up the form of a servant at a certain point as revealed in Phil 2:6?

That only point to human form. doesnt change the Fact that God many years before chosed his servant . " Servant, whom I have CHoSEN " not whom I will chose

Again , Jesus have a God he worships- Rev 3:12

shadeyinka:

The same Jesus is:
Isa 9:6-7:
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given: and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, on the throne of David, and on his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from now on even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."

Abraham is "some people"!
Okay, I'll add it to my dictionary!

U quoted that because of Mighty God , Hebrew El Gibboa, a title that was even applied to humans . Na was

Let me ask you a direct question: probably this will end this back and forth

If Jehovah is the Almighty God, what kind of god/God is Jesus?

A God who has a God , and a servant of Jehovah God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - Act 3:13

shadeyinka:

See how you have lumped up the definition of death again.

The scripture rightly used the word POURED because the BODY is the Container from which the Soul is poured out (disconnected/separated) in death. then the physical body dies but the soul/spirit remain alive and conscious
Using my definition again:
Physical Death is when the content (Soul/Spirit) of the Body is poured OUT of the body.

Even the seemingly elementary things are well above your comprehension because of the level of your brainwashing.

Promoting satanic falsehood. So even Jesus didn't die for anyone

Hmm only the container dies NOT the actual person ? Jesus fooled humans that he died for them but it was ordinary container while he was alive ?