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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by shadeyinka(m): 10:29pm On Dec 13, 2019 |
Barristter07:You are just repeating yourself contrary to what is plainly written. Repeating this a thousand times changes nothing! |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by shadeyinka(m): 10:32pm On Dec 13, 2019 |
Barristter07: Lame argument of people with two gods. Is any human called "a mighty god?" Isa 44:6: "Thus said the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God ." Isa 44:8: "Fear you not, neither be afraid: have not I told you from that time, and have declared it? you are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yes, there is no God; I know not any." Isa 45:21: "Tell you, and bring them near; yes, let them take counsel together: who has decla[b][/b]red this from ancient time? who has told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me." Hos 13:4: "Yet I am the LORD your God from the land of Egypt, and you shall know no god but me: for there is no savior beside me." Hosea summarised it, there is no SAVIOUR beside me. I rest my case! |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by shadeyinka(m): 10:33pm On Dec 13, 2019 |
Barristter07:A vision isn't real and the angel would have slain Balam if not because his donkey was more sensible than him! |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by shadeyinka(m): 10:35pm On Dec 13, 2019 |
Barristter07:You is your body You is your soul and You is your spirit Ignorance is no excuse! |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 10:37pm On Dec 13, 2019 |
CAPTIVATOR: same question I asked and the trinitarians were explaining something they don't even understand...their explanations are looking so fetish. |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by shadeyinka(m): 10:38pm On Dec 13, 2019 |
Hairyrapunzel:Maximus their oga avoided the question like plague. He knows there is no way he can wade out of having another God besides Jehovah. |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by shadeyinka(m): 10:39pm On Dec 13, 2019 |
Janosky: Isa 44:6: "Thus said the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God ." Isa 44:8: "Fear you not, neither be afraid: have not I told you from that time, and have declared it? you are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yes, there is no God; I know not any." Isa 45:21: "Tell you, and bring them near; yes, let them take counsel together: who has declared this from ancient time? who has told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me." Hos 13:4: "Yet I am the LORD your God from the land of Egypt, and you shall know no god but me: for there is no savior beside me." Hosea summarised it, there is no SAVIOUR beside me. I rest my case! |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by shadeyinka(m): 10:47pm On Dec 13, 2019 |
Maximus69: I didn't know you feared me this much. As soon as I asked just one simple question, maximus who had been training his people jumped in to bail them out by being evasive and calling it TATIME to help. This evening alone, I had almost 25 mentions. Over what!? I have made my point as I won't add a word to what I've spoke after tonight. 25 mentions in one night on just one person!! |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Perfectbeing(m): 10:49pm On Dec 13, 2019 |
Shepherd00: Assuming your name is Okoro Jacob. Is it different from Jacob Okoro? |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by shadeyinka(m): 11:02pm On Dec 13, 2019 |
Shepherd00:The demons responsible for their delusion is very strong. They won't read the scriptures to understand |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 11:46pm On Dec 13, 2019 |
shadeyinka: I looked the meaning of God and it says - The creator of the world, the one to be worshipped. It also means "a mighty one". Jesus is the son of Almighty God, Jehovah. He is the first creation by Jehovah. This makes him the second most important person in the universe. He is a mighty one both in heaven and on earth, in that sense he can be called God. The Jews had a system in which they could ascribe a title to someone in an exclusive sense and still recognize someone else with that title in another sense different from the first, without being confused. I give you an example...the jews believed that Abraham was their father. The scripture s abound with phrases like "Abraham our father", but they called Jehovah their one true father. Did they think that Abraham was their one true father, Jehovah? No. Similarly, when Jesus is called "mighty God" in Isaiah 6:9, bible students know what that means. Since Jesus already called his Father Jehovah, "the only true God"(John 17:3), we know Jesus is a God in a slightly different sense as his Father Jehovah. it means Jesus is a mighty one and plays a significant role in God's purpose. |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Perfectbeing(m): 12:17am On Dec 14, 2019 |
uboma: So why was YHVH referred to as the mighty God here? Jeremiah 32:18 who shows loving kindness to thousands, but repays the iniquity of fathers into the bosom of their children after them, O great and mighty God The LORD of hosts is His name; also was it Jesus that was mentioned here since "Mighty" was also used.. Nehemiah 9:32 "Now therefore, our God, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who keeps covenant and lovingkindness, Do not let all the hardship seem insignificant before You, Which has come upon us, our kings, our princes, our priests, our prophets, our fathers and on all Your people, From the days of the kings of Assyria to this day. and here too.. Isaiah 49:26 "I will feed your oppressors with their own flesh, And they will become drunk with their own blood as with sweet wine; And all flesh will know that I, the LORD, am your Savior And your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob." |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Nobody: 6:18am On Dec 14, 2019 |
shadeyinka: First of all, you've shown the world how fearful you often become at the sight of Maximus! Even after telling you that i newly got baptized this year, you went on to say "Maximus who has been training his people" I'm not surprise because after silencing you on the other thread you intentionally opened to argue with me, you've learnt so much from a newly baptized JW! How else do you want the answer to the issue of Might and Almighty God? The Bible called JEHOVAH "Almighty"! Exodus 6:2,3 And Jesus was called "Mighty"! Isaiah 9:6 Other Gods were also referred to as "Mighty"[b/] Psalms 82:1 While JEHOVAH is the [b]"Most high" Psalms 83:18 My friend, your question is what my grandson will answer with his NWT even though you crosscheck in any other translation you can't refute it! The issue at hand now is You said (regarding your question) Maximus stood for the position of his globally recognized organization of peace loving preachers and teachers of God's word known as Jehovah's Witnesses. And to that i say "aye"! Now it's your turn to answer a thought provoking question regarding FAITH in God's word (Bible) What is your answer to your own question and can you also mention the name of the religious group that taught you what you believe now?" After all Jesus sent people out to teach people and that's why you (black man in Nigeria, Africa) is reading the book written by Jews (White man in Asia minor) So who taught you what's in the Bible Sir? And don't forget to mention the name of the religious group having the same line of thought as you have now because Jesus (Christ) and the first set of Christians emphasized the need for ONENESS in line of thought! John 17:14-16,20-23 ,Roman 15:5-6, 1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3 |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by CAPTIVATOR: 6:20am On Dec 14, 2019 |
chrmn1: English language is not hard, is it ? When he said my servant , whom I have chosen . Is that futuristic ? When was Jesus CHOSEN for redemption , on Earth ? |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Nobody: 6:26am On Dec 14, 2019 |
Maximus69: @Shadeyinka! Can you please say something about the two questions in bolded Sir? |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Barristter07: 6:35am On Dec 14, 2019 |
shadeyinka: That the English Bible translated El Gibboa differently when it applies to humans doesn't change the fact that Humanss were called EL GIBBOA , Which was rendered Mighty God for Jesus . Was El Gibboa applied to humans in the Bible ? Go and do your assignment , Ignorant fellow
But he refffered to Othniel as a SAVIOR of the Isrealites ? Your problem is you fail to realize he can make others saviour or make them God's as he did humans " Ye are God's " . But all are still under his control therefore none beside him . 1 Like |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Nobody: 6:36am On Dec 14, 2019 |
shadeyinka: Mr Shadeyinka, No be fight nah! You carry yourself enter inside thread wey wahala question jeje sidon, you no fit answer direct you begin throw impromptu questions up and down. OK answer simple question you wan tek vex hide your face! Abeg no vex Sir, my own question still tanda for your front. (A)Shey na true sey first century Christians dem believe exactly the same thing like Jehovah witness today? (B)Abi each one just carry hin own understanding about Jesus anywhere belle face? If nah "A" be your answer, abeg show us inside Bible, if na "B" please tell us the group wet get the same mindset as you get now so that we fit ask them better questions as you sef dey ask Jehovah witness wey get one mind for wetin Bible tok! Abeg no tek vex comot for this one Sir! 1 Like |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Barristter07: 6:40am On Dec 14, 2019 |
shadeyinka: Or container that houses the " You " ? 1 Like |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Barristter07: 6:42am On Dec 14, 2019 |
shadeyinka: To help your ignorance , He alone can make others God's and Saviours to suit his purpose . They are all subjected to him . 1 Like |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Barristter07: 6:43am On Dec 14, 2019 |
shadeyinka: What exactly was written, Humans showed hospitality to Yahweh the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob ? Or to his angels ? 1 Like |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Barristter07: 6:49am On Dec 14, 2019 |
shadeyinka: Eccl 12:7 Spirit return to God who gave it, DID JESUS RETURN TO HEAVEN that day ? If not, What exactly is the Spirit that returned to God when Jesus died ? You see you have no clue what you are into .
Same, Spirit return to God. Did he went to paradise/heaven that day ?
So what returned if Spirit Is NOT JESUS ?
After his ressurection.
Not at all, It only makes us question what exactly returned since Jesus said he himself hasn't yet ascended to the Father . So what is that Spirit that returned to God ? 1 Like |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Barristter07: 6:50am On Dec 14, 2019 |
shadeyinka: Remain in your ignorance, So angels can't act as representative of Yahweh ? 1 Like |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 6:58am On Dec 14, 2019 |
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Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 7:01am On Dec 14, 2019 |
Shepherd00: shadeyinka:God manifest in the flesh"(KJV)=FRAUD. You rely on the confirmed FRAUD of the KJV "Textus Receptus" to support your Trinity FRAUD. FRAUD+FRAUD=FRAUD. I'm not amazed, triune deity pagans pretending to be Christians. MORE EVIDENCE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1 Timothy 3:16 Parallel Verses **** 1 Timothy 3:16, NIV : "Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory." ##### 1 Timothy 3:16, ESV : "Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory." +++++ 1 Timothy 3:16, KJV: "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." ***** 1 Timothy 3:16, NASB: "By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory." ####* 1 Timothy 3:16, NLT : "Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith: Christ was revealed in a human body and vindicated by the Spirit. He was seen by angels and announced to the nations. He was believed in throughout the world and taken to heaven in glory." $$$**** 1 Timothy 3:16, CSB : "And most certainly, the mystery of godliness is great: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory." %%%%% https://biblehub.com/1_timothy/3-16.htm "--Here, in the most ancient authorities, the word "God" does not occur. We must, then, literally translate the Greek of the most famous and trustworthy MSS. as follows: He who was manifested in the flesh. " "God manifest in the flesh"(KJV)=FRAUD. |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Barristter07: 7:10am On Dec 14, 2019 |
shadeyinka:He was put to death in the flesh [as human being] but made ALIVE [ Resurrected] in the spirit [Spirit being] , and in this state [ been made alive/Resurrected ] he went and preached to the spirits [ angelic spirit beings ] in prison " 1Pet 3:18,19 After he was " Made Alive" Resurrected as a Spirit being . That scripture is clear enough 1 Like |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 7:17am On Dec 14, 2019 |
shadeyinka: Barristter07: *** Judges 6:11-23 11 And an angel of Jehovah came and sat under the terebinth that was in Ophrah, that [belonged] to Joash the Abi-ezrite. And his son Gideon threshed wheat in the winepress, to secure [it] from the Midianites. 12 And the Angel of Jehovah appeared to him, and said to him, Jehovah is with thee, thou mighty man of valour. 13 And Gideon said to him, Ah my Lord, if Jehovah be with us, why then is all this befallen us? and where are all his miracles that our fathers told us of, saying, Did not Jehovah bring us up from Egypt? And now Jehovah hath cast us off, and given us into the hand of Midian. 14 And Jehovah looked upon him, and said, Go in this thy might, and thou shalt save Israel from the hand of Midian. Have not I sent thee? 15 And he said to him, Ah Lord, wherewith shall I save Israel? behold, my thousand is the poorest in Manasseh, and I am the least in my father's house. 16 And Jehovah said to him, I will certainly be with thee; and thou shalt smite Midian as one man. 17 And he said to him, If now I have found favour in thine eyes, shew me a sign that it is thou who talkest with me. 18 Depart not hence, I pray thee, until I come unto thee, and bring forth my present, and set it before thee. And he said, I will tarry until thou come again. 19 And Gideon went in, and made ready a kid of the goats, and an ephah of flour in unleavened cakes: the flesh he put in a basket, and he put the broth in a pot, and brought it out to him under the terebinth, and presented it. 20 And the Angel of God said to him, Take the flesh and the unleavened cakes, and lay them upon this rock, and pour out the broth. And he did so. 21 And the Angel of Jehovah put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and there rose up fire out of the rock, and consumed the flesh and the unleavened cakes. And the Angel of Jehovah departed out of his sight. 22 And Gideon perceived that he was an angel of Jehovah; and Gideon said, Alas, Lord Jehovah! for because I have seen an angel of Jehovah face to face … 23 And Jehovah said to him, Peace be unto thee: fear not; thou shalt not die." ** Compare Judges 13:2-22. 1 Like |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Janosky: 7:35am On Dec 14, 2019 |
Barristter07:1 Peter3 :19,20… 19 in which He also went and preached to the spirits in prison 20 who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah, while the ark was being built. In the ark a few people, only eight souls, were saved through water. " , "Spirits in prison" Disobedient angels who left their heavenly assignments & married the daughters of men before Noah's flood. Gen3:19, did Yahweh say Adam would transform into the spirit realm after death? 1 Like |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Barristter07: 7:44am On Dec 14, 2019 |
Janosky: Brilliant ! The angel was referred to as Jehovah @ bold cc: shadeyinka . |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Barristter07: 7:49am On Dec 14, 2019 |
chrmn1:Philippians 2:9 clear. Also note this Jesus can't do anything of his own will. So that text is clear enough when it says " Written " . With exemption of he who writes or gave the name Was there any exception at Matthew 24:36 ? None!!! Any other person knowing makes Jesus a liar, Did he lied only the Father knows ? 2 Likes |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Nobody: 8:21am On Dec 14, 2019 |
Maximus69: After answering him from the Bible, he crookedly attached my position on the issue to a religious organization. So the question he must answer ~ (1) Were first century Christians peculiar to uniform in thought? If Shadeyinka answer "NO" he should back his answer with Bible, if "YES" then he tell everyone in the forum the name of his religious organization exhibiting the same line of thought as he does! |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by Nobody: 8:50am On Dec 14, 2019 |
Janosky: Michael (Jesus) has often represented JEHOVAH in many cases, that's why Apostle John could say "in the beginning WAS the word (Jesus/Michael) and the word WAS with God and the word WAS God" All the times the Bible say JEHOVAH appeared to anyone in the Hebrew Scriptures, it was Jehovah's representative Michael (Jesus) that has been acting in place of JEHOVAH! The first time JEHOVAH dealt DIRECTLY with humans again was after Jesus (Michael) has completed the reconciliation assignment in heaven that JEHOVAH directly adopted humans and anointed them as his children just as he did at Jesus' baptism! Luke 3:22 compared to Isaiah 42:1 Before Pentecost, God wasn't dealing directly with any of Adam's descendants, it was his foremost Prince Michael that was ACTING stand up for obedient humans! Daniel 12:1 But Michael (Jesus) has no right to punish any of God's spirit sons unless the order comes from JEHOVAH the father of all creations! Jude 9 compared to Matthew 8:29 So JEHOVAH the Almighty God will first give the order before Jesus (Jehovah's Mighty spirit son) can do anything with Jehovah's children be it rebellious angels or humans {Psalms 110:1-3} the order must come from the Almighty God JEHOVAH! |
Re: Please I Need Trinitarians To Explain Hebrews 1:1-3 For Me by shadeyinka(m): 10:56am On Dec 14, 2019 |
Maximus69:16 quotes just this morning alone!? Just so that you know I read your post. I have established what I want. You have two Gods, 1. The almighty God 2. The mighty God Contrary to the Word of the Almighty Jehovah's. "Besides me, there is No Other Gods"! QED. I need not say anything more. I rest my case. |
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