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AlBaqir:
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interesting read I must say. Mashaa'Allah.

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Interesting thread, I must say.
This thread increased my love for Sahih Bukhari.

As per the argument, Allah knows best.

Harbioye:
Interesting thread, I must say.
This thread increased my love for Sahih Bukhari.

As per the argument, Allah knows best.

The same sahih Bukhari that made mohammed look like a mafia lord.

true2god:
The same sahih Bukhari that made mohammed look like a mafia lord.

Anything that makes you sleep at night, man

Those were the true acts of Mohammed, Sahih muslim also contains some of his violent acts, these books cant be lies, people followed this man like a cult leader, anything he did was regarded as holy. Some even commented about the whiteness of his thigh, shows what sort of hold he had on their minds.

fortran12:
Those were the true acts of Mohammed, Sahih muslim also contains some of his violent acts, these books cant be lies, people followed this man like a cult leader, anything he did was regarded as holy. Some even commented about the whiteness of his thigh, shows what sort of hold he had on their minds.

You missed road?

Empiree:
You missed road?

Are u embarrassed?

fortran12:


Are u embarrassed?

about what?

Empiree:
about what?

Your prophet being pushed under the bus

fortran12:

Your prophet being pushed under the bus

whatever that means to you?. History book is not revelation, buddy.

Empiree:
whatever that means to you?. History book is not revelation, buddy.

Am not saying its revelation , I mean it tells the truth about mohammed and his "deeds"

fortran12:

Am not saying its revelation , I mean it tells the truth about mohammed and his "deeds"

how do you confirm veracity of your claim?

Empiree:
how do you confirm veracity of your claim?

All the hadiths say so except you claim they have been tampered with

fortran12:

All the hadiths say so except you claim they have been tampered with

what do you know about Hadith?. Can you tell us?

Empiree:
what do you know about Hadith?. Can you tell us?

What exactly do u want to know. They are the writeups of some adventures and words of mohammed and explanation of the quran

fortran12:

What exactly do u want to know. They are the writeups of some adventures and words of mohammed and explanation of the quran

this is general definition but the question is, how do you determine validity of each of the hadith?

Empiree:
this is general definition but the question is, how do you determine validity of each of the hadith?

If it's sahih it's authentic.

fortran12:

If it's sahih it's authentic.

how do you determine "sahih" Hadith?

Empiree:
how do you determine "sahih" Hadith?

It's written on the document. At the bottom you will see it written.

fortran12:

It's written on the document. At the bottom you will see it written.

I tried to get you to think but it seems you can't. You can not prove rubbish coming out of your mouth. If you don't know something it is much better you quiet. I have given you enough chance.

Before you talk about Islam, first of all go and enroll in standard Islamic institution and get a degree before you open your mouth. I mean no disrespect but I am sorry, I can't take anything from you serious.

Empiree:
I tried to get you to think but it seems you can't. You can not prove rubbish coming out of your mouth. If you don't know something it is much better you quiet. I have given you enough chance.

Before you talk about Islam, first of all go and enroll in standard Islamic institution and get a degree before you open your mouth. I mean no disrespect but I am sorry, I can't take anything from you serious.

Have you seen any hadith book before? I can post one here if u want and show you where the word sahih is written.
I will show you your Islamic website that contains al-bukhari's text.

As you can see it's written at the base of the site. I will check for an actual PDF of his text and show you. From the name sahih you know it's authentic. So what are you saying ?

fortran12:

Have you seen any hadith book before? I can post one here if u want and show you where the word sahih is written.
I will show you your Islamic website that contains al-bukhari's text.

As you can see it's written at the base of the site. I will check for an actual PDF of his text and show you

who told you everything in sahih bukhari is sahih?. That's where I'm trying to get you to think all along. Sahih bukhari is a book containing stories, facts, falsehood, etc. It is not entirely revelation. If a book is not revelation then it is bound to contain fallacies, delibrate errors, or genuine errors etc as long as they are in harmony or in conflict with Qur'an. But you are not fit for argument with me for what is fact or false in Hadith.

fortran12:

Have you seen any hadith book before? I can post one here if u want and show you where the word sahih is written.
I will show you your Islamic website that contains al-bukhari's text.

As you can see it's written at the base of the site. I will check for an actual PDF of his text and show you. From the name sahih you know it's authentic. So what are you saying ?

as for the attachment, a good student of knowledge would do research. You don't just come here and denounce Hadith just because it doesn't suit you. Yes, there are many things that black cumin cures. Honey too

Empiree:
who told you everything in sahih bukhari is sahih?. That's where I'm trying to get you to think all along. Sahih bukhari is a book containing stories, facts, falsehood, etc. It is not entirely revelation. If a book is not revelation then it is bound to contain fallacies, delibrate errors, or genuine errors etc as long as they are in harmony or in conflict with Qur'an. But you are not fit for argument with me for what is fact or false in Hadith.

See you ranking your self. Its good to dream.
If a book deemed sahih by Muslims is not authentic then its easy to say the Qur'an is not accurate too

fortran12:

See you ranking your self. Its good to dream.
If a book deemed sahih by Muslims is not authentic then its easy to say the Qur'an is not accurate too

Pardon?. I thought you have been talking about Hadith?. Why are you now talking about Qur'an?.

Qur'an is 100 authentic. All the contents of the Qur'an are revelation but not Hadith. The reason Hadith can not be 100 authentic is because it was not written and compiled in the presence of the prophet (saw). But Qur'an was written down completely in his presence. Plus there is God's guarantee protection of Qur'an. Same guarantee was not ascertain for Hadith.

Empiree:
Pardon?. I thought you have been talking about Hadith?. Why are you now talking about Qur'an?.

Qur'an is 100 authentic. All the contents of the Qur'an are revelation but not Hadith. The reason Hadith can not be 100 authentic is because it was not written and compiled in the presence of the prophet (saw). But Qur'an was written down completely in his presence. Plus there is God's guarantee protection of Qur'an. Same guarantee was not ascertain for Hadith.

If it's 100% correct how can you explain the inaccuracies. Moses being Jesus' uncle? Despite them living thousands of years apart.

fortran12:


If it's 100% correct how can you explain the inaccuracies. Moses being Jesus' uncle? Despite them living thousands of years apart.

Al you have to do it bring actual quotation from Quran not random statement of yours. Besides, all prophets and messengers of God are brother, paternal brothers. Prophet Muhammad(SAW) told us this.



Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Both in this world and in the Hereafter, I am the nearest of all the people to Jesus, the son of Mary. The prophets are paternal brothers; their mothers are different, but their religion is one."

Empiree:
Al you have to do it bring actual quotation from Quran not random statement of yours. Besides, all prophets and messengers of God are brother, paternal brothers. Prophet Muhammad(SAW) told us this.



Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Both in this world and in the Hereafter, I am the nearest of all the people to Jesus, the son of Mary. The prophets are paternal brothers; their mothers are different, but their religion is one."

You bring me hadith, hope u know what you said about them earlier. First let me explain my self then I will pick at the hadith. The Qur'an in sura 19 vs 27-28 - then she brought the child to her folk carrying him and the said Mary thou hast surely committed a monstrous thing! Sister of Aaron they father was not a wicked man......
The confusion is in the name Mariam or Miriam. Also note Mary the mother of Jesus and Aaron do not share any ancestral links so she can't be his sister. They lived thousands of years after so how is Moses Jesus' uncle?

How can the prophets he paternally related. Mohammed has no links to Abraham or even Ishmael.
Abraham is Aramaic and Hagar is Egyptian. So how can their son Ishmael be an Arab.
The Qur'an mentions Ishmael learning Arabic at a young age. If he is the father of the Arabs how can he learn Arabic?
Mohammed tried coming via the route of descending from Ishmael was he was trying to convince the jews and Christians of his prophet-hood, but they did not buy it

How can the prophets he paternally related. Mohammed has no links to Abraham or even Ishmael.
Abraham is Aramaic and Hagar is Egyptian. So how can their son Ishmael be an Arab.
The Qur'an mentions Ishmael learning Arabic at a young age. If he is the father of the Arabs how can he learn Arabic?
Mohammed tried coming via the route of descending from Ishmael was he was trying to convince the jews and Christians of his prophet-hood, but they did not buy it

This is rather silly. First, check his genealogy. Second, how is learning language an issue?. Maybe you need to ask how and why some nigerians speak Mandarin since they are chinese?.

fortran12:


You bring me hadith, hope u know what you said about them earlier. First let me explain my self then I will pick at the hadith. The Qur'an in sura 19 vs 27-28 - then she brought the child to her folk carrying him and the said Mary thou hast surely committed a monstrous thing! Sister of Aaron they father was not a wicked man......
The confusion is in the name Mariam or Miriam. Also note Mary the mother of Jesus and Aaron do not share any ancestral links so she can't be his sister. They lived thousands of years after so how is Moses Jesus' uncle?

This is old christian evangelist argument, bro. You should have known better now. Problem you have is lack of GENEALOGICAL & HISTORICAL & LEXICAL ENQUIRIES which your christian scholars failed to exercise but they have now done their homework after muslims enlightened them. So they no longer bring this alleged "contradiction" against Quran. As opposed to the New Testament, the Qur'an has copious mention of Mary, starting from her birth, to her seclusion, the annunciation and her giving birth to Jesus. While the Qur'an has lots of things to say regarding the childhood of Mary, the New Testament contains nothing of the sort. It practically sheds no light on the life of Mary before she became pregnant. This information that christians dont have i their text was part of their misunderstanding. Therefore, I would advise you to please read Quran and study root of Mary from birth to the time she gave birth to Jesus. This will give you a clue why Quran says “Sister Of Aaron”. I have no time to post ot type all that here. Read here for more information

Empiree:
This is rather silly. First, check his genealogy. Second, how is learning language an issue?. Maybe you need to ask how and why some nigerians speak Mandarin since they are chinese?.



This is old christian evangelist argument, bro. You should have known better now. Problem you have is lack of GENEALOGICAL & HISTORICAL & LEXICAL ENQUIRIES which your christian scholars failed to exercise but they have now done their homework after muslims enlightened them. So they no longer bring this alleged "contradiction" against Quran. As opposed to the New Testament, the Qur'an has copious mention of Mary, starting from her birth, to her seclusion, the annunciation and her giving birth to Jesus. While the Qur'an has lots of things to say regarding the childhood of Mary, the New Testament contains nothing of the sort. It practically sheds no light on the life of Mary before she became pregnant. This information that christians dont have i their text was part of their misunderstanding. Therefore, I would advise you to please read Quran and study root of Mary from birth to the time she gave birth to Jesus. This will give you a clue why Quran says “Sister Of Aaron”. I have no time to post ot type all that here. Read here for more information

Let me easily destroy your response. How can the father , originator of the Arabs learn Arabic when he is supposed to be their founder. That is a fallacy. Am sure you understand.
Now for the second claim. How does that answer the obvious mistake the Qur'an calls Mary the mother of Jesus the sister of Aaron. This is an obvious mistake.

Pls am waiting for your answers