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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by dandollaz: 10:22am On Dec 29, 2019
Come to Asaba head bridge to clear your doubt.I will celebrate my lord and personal saviour on 25th december,come and beat me.you celebrate your papa birthday with billions on naira but common be happy with jesus birth you are taking us back to egypt.im tired of Nigeria and everybody need to face front to destroy these bad leaders.if nigeria is ok all these nonsense will not come up.These pastor milk members money they suppose use for villa inside church on 25 december after that they use the money to fly with private jet to America to enjoy.i refused to be deceived. For me i quitely went back to Anglican church were they will not confuse my brain again.

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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by atoleybaba(m): 10:22am On Dec 29, 2019
MiddleDimension:


he read luke and deliberately skiped the part where the angels celebrated the birth of jesus
just the same way u are in a joyous mood when you give birth to a child.....same way u will feel when a family is kidnapped and the random u are told to arrange is ready. You know that joyous feeling? Yes that is what the angels felt. They rejoiced with me cos their savour is on Earth. After that did u hear that every year d angels commemorate it?

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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by MiddleDimension: 10:23am On Dec 29, 2019
Neroiam:


Bro.. Have you bothered to ask who fixed this date and why?
Go for knowledge

so tell us, please!
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Criticaltemp: 10:24am On Dec 29, 2019
pongwa:
It is the truth.
truth kii u dia

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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Neoteny(m): 10:24am On Dec 29, 2019
Houseofglam7:

I see you smiley

Okay BYE

"Good vibes only"

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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by DCmonster: 10:24am On Dec 29, 2019
MiddleDimension:


also they had 7/7/7, 8/8/8, 9/9/9. where is that in the bible, MFM?
Don't mind them all! Religious hypocrisy wouldn't thrive if they have no one to fool. Having people to fool massages their ego so well. Celebrating Christ in December is idolatry because it used to be a pagan holiday, but converting an idol worshipper isn't a sin because he used to be an idol worshipper. Fucking bastards fooling people who are empty on the inside.

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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by drakeli: 10:25am On Dec 29, 2019
Neroiam:


Bro.. Have you bothered to ask who fixed this date and why?
Go for knowledge

Who fixed the date? The Catholic Church did. The same they did for easter and Sunday service.

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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by MiddleDimension: 10:25am On Dec 29, 2019
civilserva:


Also , for drinking bout and excecive fornication

in 1cor 11, paul rebuked the christians for abusing the communion by getting drunk. their getting drunk did not nullify or make pagan the communion. if it had, paul would have abolished the communion.
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Ykc2(m): 10:27am On Dec 29, 2019
This what happend In ekiti state

Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Edipet(m): 10:27am On Dec 29, 2019
ifewise:
The Controversy on Christmas, December 25th as Jesus' Birthday: Our Position and Clarification, By MFM

With reference to the varied reactions that have been trailing the message of our General Overseer (Worldwide), Mountain of Fire and Miracles Ministries (MFM), Dr. Daniel Olukoya, on the celebration of December 25th as Christmas in celebration of the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ, during the church's weekly Manna Water service on Dec. 25, 2019, we make the following clarifications...

Though the foundation of Christmas is idolatry and God hates idolatry with perfect hatred, we will not throw away the baby and the bath water.
We do not condemn those who celebrate.
Jesus is born in us at MFM every day. His death is our birth certificate.

We will bring out the positive out of the negatives by using all holidays for prayers, conferences seminars, and activities.

We will hold seminars, conventions, camp meetings or special teaching services to pray, examine the scriptures and draw positives from the wrong, negative and idolatry practices of the two events: Easter and Christmas.

We will hold special meetings to re-teach, re-emphasize and reappraise the significance of Jesus' birth, death, cross, and resurrection.

ON DECEMBER AND THE SHEPHERDS
Strange but true! Remember those shepherds who were “keeping watch over their flocks by night”? (Luke 2:cool. December weather around Bethlehem is often miserably cold, wet and rainy. No shepherd in his right mind would have kept his flocks outside at night at that time of year!
The passage argues against the December 25th birth of Jesus Christ since the weather would not have permitted shepherds to be out in the fields with their flocks then.

Also, Luke 2:1-4 tells us that Jesus was born in Bethlehem because his parents came to that town to register in a Roman census.
The Romans were well known as highly efficient administrators. It would have made no sense to have conducted a census in the dead of winter when temperatures often dropped below freezing and traveling was difficult due to poor road conditions. Taking a census under such conditions would have been pointless.

The Bible nowhere tells us to observe a holiday celebrating Jesus Christ’s birth —but it clearly does tell us to do ‘communion’ in remembrance of him.
And the Bible nowhere tells us to pray for our enemy to die, rather it teaches us to love everyone, if you pray for a witch to die who will be the one to repent and follow you to the heaven you preached[b]
ifewise:
The Controversy on Christmas, December 25th as Jesus' Birthday: Our Position and Clarification, By MFM

With reference to the varied reactions that have been trailing the message of our General Overseer (Worldwide), Mountain of Fire and Miracles Ministries (MFM), Dr. Daniel Olukoya, on the celebration of December 25th as Christmas in celebration of the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ, during the church's weekly Manna Water service on Dec. 25, 2019, we make the following clarifications...

Though the foundation of Christmas is idolatry and God hates idolatry with perfect hatred, we will not throw away the baby and the bath water.
We do not condemn those who celebrate.
Jesus is born in us at MFM every day. His death is our birth certificate.

We will bring out the positive out of the negatives by using all holidays for prayers, conferences seminars, and activities.

We will hold seminars, conventions, camp meetings or special teaching services to pray, examine the scriptures and draw positives from the wrong, negative and idolatry practices of the two events: Easter and Christmas.

We will hold special meetings to re-teach, re-emphasize and reappraise the significance of Jesus' birth, death, cross, and resurrection.

ON DECEMBER AND THE SHEPHERDS
Strange but true! Remember those shepherds who were “keeping watch over their flocks by night”? (Luke 2:cool. December weather around Bethlehem is often miserably cold, wet and rainy. No shepherd in his right mind would have kept his flocks outside at night at that time of year!
The passage argues against the December 25th birth of Jesus Christ since the weather would not have permitted shepherds to be out in the fields with their flocks then.

Also, Luke 2:1-4 tells us that Jesus was born in Bethlehem because his parents came to that town to register in a Roman census.
The Romans were well known as highly efficient administrators. It would have made no sense to have conducted a census in the dead of winter when temperatures often dropped below freezing and traveling was difficult due to poor road conditions. Taking a census under such conditions would have been pointless.

The Bible nowhere tells us to observe a holiday celebrating Jesus Christ’s birth —but it clearly does tell us to do ‘communion’ in remembrance of him.
And the Bible nowhere tells us to pray for our enemy to die, rather it teaches us to love everyone, if you pray for a witch to die who will be the one to repent and follow you to the heaven you preached[/b]
ifewise:
The Controversy on Christmas, December 25th as Jesus' Birthday: Our Position and Clarification, By MFM

With reference to the varied reactions that have been trailing the message of our General Overseer (Worldwide), Mountain of Fire and Miracles Ministries (MFM), Dr. Daniel Olukoya, on the celebration of December 25th as Christmas in celebration of the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ, during the church's weekly Manna Water service on Dec. 25, 2019, we make the following clarifications...

Though the foundation of Christmas is idolatry and God hates idolatry with perfect hatred, we will not throw away the baby and the bath water.
We do not condemn those who celebrate.
Jesus is born in us at MFM every day. His death is our birth certificate.

We will bring out the positive out of the negatives by using all holidays for prayers, conferences seminars, and activities.

We will hold seminars, conventions, camp meetings or special teaching services to pray, examine the scriptures and draw positives from the wrong, negative and idolatry practices of the two events: Easter and Christmas.

We will hold special meetings to re-teach, re-emphasize and reappraise the significance of Jesus' birth, death, cross, and resurrection.

ON DECEMBER AND THE SHEPHERDS
Strange but true! Remember those shepherds who were “keeping watch over their flocks by night”? (Luke 2:cool. December weather around Bethlehem is often miserably cold, wet and rainy. No shepherd in his right mind would have kept his flocks outside at night at that time of year!
The passage argues against the December 25th birth of Jesus Christ since the weather would not have permitted shepherds to be out in the fields with their flocks then.

Also, Luke 2:1-4 tells us that Jesus was born in Bethlehem because his parents came to that town to register in a Roman census.
The Romans were well known as highly efficient administrators. It would have made no sense to have conducted a census in the dead of winter when temperatures often dropped below freezing and traveling was difficult due to poor road conditions. Taking a census under such conditions would have been pointless.

The Bible nowhere tells us to observe a holiday celebrating Jesus Christ’s birth —but it clearly does tell us to do ‘communion’ in remembrance of him.
And the Bible nowhere tells us to pray for our enemy to die, rather it teaches us to love everyone, if you pray for a witch to die who will be the one to repent and follow you to the heaven you preached

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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by AgwoAkpi: 10:27am On Dec 29, 2019
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post=85310732:

This is all that matters.
Respecting other people's view on CHRISTMAS and the way they chose to celebrate it!



True.
We respect your belief too MFM.
This Makes lot of sense also.

At the end of it all ,

Knowing that CHRIST is the Beginning and the END and he is also our personal LORD and saviour is all that matters.


JESUS IS LORD FOREVER AND EVER.


For the few people that missed our End of the Year barbecue parry for the kids @[color=#006600][/color],
Have this and be Merry......

Feliz Navidad
Feliz Navidad
Feliz Navidad
Prospero año y felicidad

I want to wish you a Merry Christmas
I want to wish you a Merry Christmas
I want to wish you a Merry Christmas
From the bottom of my heart

[/s]
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by chieyine(m): 10:28am On Dec 29, 2019
aimuan:
Jesus himself didn't celebrate his birthday,why do you chose to celebrate it?worse still on a wrong date.

Following this flawed logic,
Did Jesus celebrate his death day?
He wasnt alive to celebrate it.
His disciples did.

Did Jesus Celebrate his birthday?
Only extremely rich people celebrate birthdays
And both heavens and earth celebrated the day he was born.

I dont see the fuss about all these things
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by atoleybaba(m): 10:28am On Dec 29, 2019
jospepper:
One thing I Know as a Christian is that if I merit heaven, Yahweh will not deny me entry for celebrating or not celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ.
that is the mistake many people make...the isrealite back then started mixing pure worship with pagan worship in time the true identity of God was hidden from their generation and then Baal worship became Paramount.... Same way is this Xmas celebration in the .name of celebrating christ, immoral practices has crept in....even the use of father Xmas or santa Claus which doesn't even av any collaboration with Christianity.....just imagine everybody loves sweet and chocolate but imagine someone offering u chocolate gotten from d gutter. Will you still eat it? Will u say since it is chocolate and it is sweet and good for the teeth, I won't have diaharria and dysentery cos it was gotten from d gutter?

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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by IAMBlesssed(f): 10:29am On Dec 29, 2019
Is MFM FC in the Bible?

Does it have scriptural backing?

I'm just asking

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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by melotech(m): 10:29am On Dec 29, 2019
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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by MiddleDimension: 10:30am On Dec 29, 2019
aimuan:
Oh sorry I thought that's what is all about. So please tell me,what's Christmas all about?
sorry, i mean birthday. that was a mistake i made there and i am going to correct it rightaway
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Lawxen: 10:30am On Dec 29, 2019
Bunch of Hypocrites!!!
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by atoleybaba(m): 10:30am On Dec 29, 2019
Neroiam:


Bro.. Have you bothered to ask who fixed this date and why?
Go for knowledge
I told someone this same thing and it looked like the person was scared of what he will find out. He so prefer to remain in his ignorance and keep enjoying and partying every 25th

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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Jabioro: 10:32am On Dec 29, 2019
Is MFM in the Bible? Even the pagans are more important than the MFM, because they are the people who spread the gospel,the first hand witness,those who didn't permitted the message to die..MFM can give us another day if at all she have meaningful date to his birth..All this noise can't move mountains..must Bible tells you everything.. Hypocrite!!!
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by imam07: 10:32am On Dec 29, 2019
Godswillnwaoma:
Jehovah's witnesses have been saying this same thing since decade.....



Christmas did not originate from Christ, It has absolutely nothing to do with Christ Jesus. It is pegan feast.
who send u people. If mfm have known tbe meaning of tne word merry,he would not have spoken rubbish about Christmas. That is why we say oyibo people wise pass us.

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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Nobody: 10:32am On Dec 29, 2019
Esseite:


And the world picked Dec 25th... how is that a problem?..

Some picked January 6

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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by solsticey2k3(m): 10:36am On Dec 29, 2019
Ken4Christ:
Holding camp meeting to kill perceived enemies. Dr Olukoya should please repent of this evil teachings and forms of prayers before it is too late.

How many witches did our Lord Jesus killed. He died for everybody including witches. I have seen some people involved in witchcraft activities saved by the power of God and they are now preaching the gospel.

Not just MFN. This prayer forms have spread like cancer to other denominations including the RCCG and Salvation Ministries. They are not just consistent with the teachings of our Lord Jesus. We should stop killing perceived enemies through prayers.

Firstly, the one who should repent is you my brother. Dr Olukoya is a seasoned man of God with decades of experience, physical and spiritual.

Read John 3:16 again, “..... that whosoever believeth in him, will have everlasting life”. Jesus Christ did not lay down his life for everyone, but made salvation possible for all. I’m not sure you’ve experienced a powerful spiritual battle before, where these unrepentant enemies would have sworn that unless they die, that is when they would stop waging war. “Stop them before they stop you....”, if you want them to repent (one way of stopping them), and they don’t repent, then they will perish (another way of stopping them).

“...... the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent taketh it by force”
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Nobody: 10:36am On Dec 29, 2019
MiddleDimension:


christ-mas is not a pagan holiday. i really hope no one is missing the CHRIST in ''christmas''! the mass is a worship service in the catholic church

Christ in Greek means Christos, the anointed one and it's not synonymous to jesus.
Jesus is not even his original name.

Why don't you look up the true history behind the Christmas. Ignorance is not bliss.

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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Nobody: 10:38am On Dec 29, 2019
oteneaaron:
Is this not what Jehovah's Witnesses have been saying for like forever?

sad

They will soon realize that all what their Church founders are interested in is how to gather them and collect money from them.
Whatever is en vogue is what this useless Pastors teach them since their followers aren't interested in the TRUTH but what is generally acceptable.
Forbidding
©Alcoholic beverages
©Makeup and Jewelries for women
©Covering of women's hairs
©Ritual Fasting
©Seasonal Festivities
And so on is what their so called Pastors are contemplating on to form rules for them.
Now that Christmas celebration is gradually dying due to the persistence of Jehovah's Witnesses in declaring it PAGAN, many of their Pastors who have been frontiers in the celebration of Birthdays are now trying to dodge from the shame!
Well the TRUTH still remains that they can't prove anything is wrong with Christmas (Celebrating the BIRTH of Jesus) if they are still celebrating their own Birthdays. Whatever is good for the goose is equally good for the ganda.
That is where the FLAWS in whatever they've got to say against Christmas awaits them! wink

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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by itsme01: 10:39am On Dec 29, 2019
MiddleDimension:


christ-mas is not a pagan holiday. i really hope no one is missing the CHRIST in ''christmas''! the mass is a worship service in the catholic church

dude google christmas and winter solace its an open secret..
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Moneyboyz: 10:39am On Dec 29, 2019
Ken4Christ:
Holding camp meeting to kill perceived enemies. Dr Olukoya should please repent of this evil teachings and forms of prayers before it is too late.

How many witches did our Lord Jesus killed. He died for everybody including witches. I have seen some people involved in witchcraft activities saved by the power of God and they are now preaching the gospel.

Not just MFN. This prayer forms have spread like cancer to other denominations including the RCCG and Salvation Ministries. They are not just consistent with the teachings of our Lord Jesus. We should stop killing perceived enemies through prayers.

I was once a member, we Don pray sorry we pray for fire to kill all evil rodents and pests in our house..

You will see sermons on hang, head, eyes etc.. and the end of the day they link it go spiritual matter.
Naso I give up.

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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Nobody: 10:39am On Dec 29, 2019
Mcuzy:
Make ona go sidon where contain ona . Who follow ona drag say dem nor born Jesus for December ? Over sabi tell us when dem born am na... December 25th is just a day we celebrate CHristmas to remind the world of the birth of a king
It kind unfortunate,you have been program either never to read or to understand, where in the publication did they mention JESUS was not born on the 25th December? The publication said the foundation was idolatry
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by Nobody: 10:40am On Dec 29, 2019
MiddleDimension:


in 1cor 11, paul rebuked the christians for abusing the communion by getting drunk. their getting drunk did not nullify or make pagan the communion. if it had, paul would have abolished the communion.

Anything Paul says you follow.
Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by imam07: 10:41am On Dec 29, 2019
aimuan:
Jesus himself didn't celebrate his birthday,why do you chose to celebrate it?worse still on a wrong date.
we did not read where Jesus eat rice, drink coke, browse on internet. So tell me why you are eating rice, drinking, eating semo and browsing on your android phone.
People reason like fools. One of the reasons of celebrating d birth of Jesus is to show love to each others. Dec 25th is not a day to worship idols. Is is d day to remember d birth of Jesus christ. Anyone that is against d celebration of d birth of Jesus christ is an anti christ if u dont know.

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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by MiddleDimension: 10:41am On Dec 29, 2019
itsme01:


dude google christmas and winter solace its an open secret..
it is not an 'open secret'. before christianity came to igbo land, they have always new yam festivals. if the church come to that place, convert the people and then on the day they do their new yam festival, it fixes a day to celebrate the body and blood of jesus, or the transfiguration of the lord, what's wrong with that?

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Re: Christmas Celebration Controversy: MFM Releases Statement by MiddleDimension: 10:42am On Dec 29, 2019
maynia:


Anything Paul says you follow.
christians see him as authoritative

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