abdulizom:
This matter is simple:

If you like born half, I will born more than that inshAllah my strength can carry.

When I'm struggling training 2 engineers, 3 lawyers, 4 accountants, 5 political scientists at ABU, UI or OAU

You can continue with your lawyer in Cambridge, he will come back to be a consultant or bloody civil servant under the Ministry any of my sons is heading.

Arrant nonsense!!!

This makes a lot of sense. Don't even stop at 10. Make it 70 so that some will join the house of reps and the senate. I'm sure one of them will be President insha Allah. Some will join the super eagles team too.
Ewu Gambia.

Obi1kenobi:

No it does not. I don't know where you're getting your strange stats from. Nigeria's birth rate, fertility rate and population growth rate are FARRRR higher than Brazil. It's not even close. Please, use your Google. This is 2019, not 1919.



Homosexuality has little influence on birth rates. Homosexuals are a small minority of the population.
China's population is not a measure of its breeding habits. It simply means ancient China consolidated a very large, homogeneous civilization. And nobody is talking about population here, but population growth rate. China's population is static and barely growing and might be entering a period of recession (like Japan and South Korea which have declining populations). Most of the population growth in the world over the next century will come from subsaharan Africans because we still breed like medieval Europeans. It's symptomatic of an unproductive culture. It's a fact of life that productive, enlightened cultures simply don't have the time or inclination to be breeding like rabbits. And we need a serious reorientation.

Err China's population is still growing
Infact it grew from 1.3 to 1.4 billion
Trying to pin population explosion on africa because of our culture is not only naive but downright ridiculous
Oh btw brazil has a bigger population than nigeria hell even more landmass
Believe it or not homosexuality has a huge effect on population so u saying it does not is a huge fallacy
Funny u mentioned ancient china but discarded ancient nigeria

swazpedro:


Bringing American families into Nigeria setting, to me as long as you can feed them all population doesn't matter, a typical Nigerian would be scared if he has only one child, the dwindling population in the west and them opening up their borders for emigration in past years should tell you that this your ideology seems good but on the long run it's baseless to me, I know the joy I got from my siblings care, I won't make my children feel less cause this age and time and scared of overpopulation, the major strength the North has against other zones is their population just so you know they hold a deciding factor in all elections... FELLOW NIGERIANS BORN AS MUCH AS YOU CAN TAKE CARE OF, bad economy or good economy... The end will justify the stress... No use OP oyibo mentality that feels that anything the West is doing is just right logically

The problem with Africans is an inability to conceive what future you're living for your children and children's children and descendants to inherit. Maybe instead of "born as much as you can take care of", you should focus on "born as much as our society can take care of". You're not going to build the infrastructure or provide the services that will take care of the exploding population. It's why people like my father schooled in UNN with 2 people assigned per hostel room and food vouchers paid off by the government among other goodies and privileges while people like me were in a room of 6 people (minus squatters) in the same UNN hostels with crumbling infrastructure all over the place. You're not going to clean up the environment and waterways that the exploding population will pollute. You're not going to arrest the ecological damage and threats to the ecosystem of the exploding population.

It's why I laugh when oyinbos are talking about climate change and environmental conservation. They can't seriously talk about those things without getting Africans to stop breeding like rats.

swazpedro:


Bringing American families into Nigeria setting, to me as long as you can feed them all population doesn't matter, a typical Nigerian would be scared if he has only one child, the dwindling population in the west and them opening up their borders for emigration in past years should tell you that this your ideology seems good but on the long run it's baseless to me, I know the joy I got from my siblings care, I won't make my children feel less cause this age and time and scared of overpopulation, the major strength the North has against other zones is their population just so you know they hold a deciding factor in all elections... FELLOW NIGERIANS BORN AS MUCH AS YOU CAN TAKE CARE OF, bad economy or good economy... The end will justify the stress... No use OP oyibo mentality that feels that anything the West is doing is just right logically

That's what I'm trying to tell them
U can't use european/American setting in Africa
It can't work
Even in their side so many couples have up to 5 or 6 kids and depend on food stamps/welfare checks

Obi1kenobi:


I've argued this a number of times on this forum, but the emboldened is a myth. Nigerian Christians are no less prolific in their breeding than Northern Muslims. You're every bit as likely to see an Igbo woman with 6 children as you are to see a Fulani woman with 6 children. All of us need serious reorientation in this country: North or South, East or West. Incidentally, every population census conducted in Nigeria since iindependence has the same ratio of Northerners to Southerners: about 55% to 45%.

This.

Nigerian christians are breeding just as much as their Muslim counterparts. I work with learneth Christian folks, well read guys, and they have 5-7 children.

The thread became less interesting when some on here decided to regionalized the problem.

Obi1kenobi:


I've argued this a number of times on this forum, but the emboldened is a myth. Nigerian Christians are no less prolific in their breeding than Northern Muslims. You're every bit as likely to see an Igbo woman with 6 children as you are to see a Fulani woman with 6 children. All of us need serious reorientation in this country: North or South, East or West. Incidentally, every population census conducted in Nigeria since iindependence has the same ratio of Northerners to Southerners: about 55% to 45%.

This is completely and highly false. It is very very common to see Christian Nigerian women who are in their 30s, 40s and even 50s who have never gotten married or had any children in their lifetime.... However, something like this is very very rare to non-existent among northern muslims. Hardly do u ever see a Northern muslim lady in her 30s who had never given birth, unless she has issues of infertility...

Not even disability is enough reason for a northern muslim woman not to have children. Lame, blind, dumb, deaf and even imbëcile northern muslim women have children in their 20s.

How can u ever compare the birthrates of a people who are predominantly literates to people who are predominantly illiterates? You are not being reasonable.

This topic should be at the front burner of national discuss.

I still don't understand the obsession of having plenty of children in Africa as a whole despite the high level of poverty and other negative situations. I observe people talking about giving birth to plenty of children if you have the resources - that's plain selfish if you have plenty of resources you can decide to help others, donate to charity, help in funding scientific research, etc. life is not just about giving birth to babies. The advanced countries we all envy with high social benefits don't go about giving birth to children because they are rich, cos they understand the whole continuous economic prosperity does not exist, the earth alone is already overpopulated, we humans are not the only species in the world - ask yourself when last you saw butterflies if you live in big cities like Lagos. Giving birth to children is not just about you, its the road they will use, the new schools that need to be built, the jobs to accommodate the population, land to cultivate enough food for everybody without destroying the ecosystem, etc.

fineguy11:
This topic should be at the front burner of national discuss.

Shocking how the government/everybody pretends we don't have an issue with this. The discussion should have started 30 years ago.

AkeNathan:


Thank you very much please

I can't die before my time in the name of overbearing responsibilities associated with having more than 3 kids.

I'm from a large family and I know the burden my father was shouldering.

2-3 is best!

KevinDein:

This.

Nigerian christians are breeding just as much as their Muslim counterparts. I work with learneth Christian folks, well read guys, and they have 5-7 children.

The thread became less interesting when some on here decided to regionalized the problem.

This can never be true. Especially to someone like me who is from a northern ethnic group equally divided between Christians & Muslims.

In my small maternal farming village for example, my polygamous maternal grandfather was among the most prolific men and yet he had only 11 children, meanwhile the only muslim family in that community had over 30 children.

I have another muslim cousin whose father had 32 children. Meanwhile, I have never seen or heard of any Christian family in my entire ethnic group whose family had up to 20 children. Polygamous or not.

What you people are saying is impossible!
My Muslim cousins who are my age already have children meanwhile I am not even thinking of marriage now.

Whether 2 kids oh or 3 kids

whatever' amount you choose, try as much as possible, borrow money, go to God in prayer that he should give you thr financial ability to send your wife overseas during child birth.

The best gift you can give your child now is a foreign PALI.

After secondary school, they will be off to study abroad as citizen with school fees that will be as low as 1/3 if they had come as a Foreigner.

Don't forget what i said, The best Gift you can give your child in today's naija is a Foreign PALI. The opportunities will be open to them there....

I don talk my own

Obi1kenobi:


The problem with Africans is an inability to conceive what future you're living for your children and children's children and descendants to inherit. Maybe instead of "born as much as you can take care of", you should focus on "born as much as our society can take care of". You're not going to build the infrastructure or provide the services that will take care of the exploding population. It's why people like my father schooled in UNN with 2 people assigned per hostel room and food vouchers paid off by the government among other goodies and privileges while people like me were in a room of 6 people (minus squatters) in the same UNN hostels with crumbling infrastructure all over the place. You're not going to clean up the environment and waterways that the exploding population will pollute. You're not going to arrest the ecological damage and threats to the ecosystem of the exploding population.

It's why I laugh when oyinbos are talking about climate change and environmental conservation. They can't seriously talk about those things without getting Africans to stop breeding like rats.

How do I like this a hundred times, I recently observed that most Nigerians talk mostly based on their emotions and what they see within their reach discarding facts and the wider scope of issues

the government should look into this as it will so much help Nigeria, especially those beggars from the north with no means of livelihood aside begging still giving birth to children, wetin dem wan use the children do?

LZAA:

Err China's population is still growing
Infact it grew from 1.3 to 1.4 billion

During which period did China grow from 1.3 billion to 1.4 billion? And when did I say it is not growing. I said it is "barely growing"....abi, you don't know what "barely growing" means? China's population growth rate in 0.6% per annum. Nigeria's is 2.6% per annum (over 4 times more than China). This means over the next decades, China's population will barely grow while Nigeria's population will almost double every 25-year cycle.

Trying to pin population explosion on africa because of our culture is not only naive but downright ridiculous
Oh btw brazil has a bigger population than nigeria hell even more landmass
Believe it or not homosexuality has a huge effect on population so u saying it does not is a huge fallacy
Funny u mentioned ancient china but discarded ancient nigeria

Of course, it is because of our culture. Go and look at a UN or Word Bank table of global population growth rates. Apart from a country like Afghanistan which is a shiithole, almost all the countries with high population growth rates (2% and over - some almost as high as 4%) are subsaharan African nations. Why else do you think that is other than a regressive, uneducated, unproductive culture that turns women to breeding machines?

Brazil has a bigger population than Nigeria, but it's growth rate is less than 1/3rd of Nigeria's. This means it's keeping a moderate growth rate and maintaining what it has. And Brazil is far bigger in landmass with more resources than Nigeria and one of the fastest growing economies in the world that invests in human capital.

No homosexuality has little effect on the population. If you assert it, you have to prove it. This is not a beer parlour where you can claim anything you want.

Which ancient Nigeria. China is a very old, great civilization. Nigeria as an entity was basically invented by the British. If not for the British, we could easily be 10 different countries. But this has nothing to do with the crux of my argument.

frankmoney:
this is exactly why you need only two kids , you are seeing 12k dstv , changing of phones as waste means there is something wrong economically with the country . Nigeria of your parents wasn't as populated and economically viable as today , you can't compare the two at all .

Nigeria of my parents was not as good as this.
It was only in the 70s during the oil boom and the beginning of 80s that majority of Nigerians experienced good life. Life was not rosy in the 50s and 60s as some people tend to talk of "good olden days"
Nigeria of then was viable because people live within their means. I witnessed marriages solemnised in churches celebrated with soft drinks,no food. How many young people today can settle for such,the unemployed ones also want elaborate marriage ceremony and transfer the cost to family members. Ask them to use the marriage ceremony money for personal development they will disagree.
People are really suffering today, but some of these sufferings are self inflicted. It is not because of population, because the ratio of population to land mass is still sustainable. Japan, one the most developed country in the world population is not growing and it is not because of poverty/economy but choice.
Is it economic wise to earn 60k monthly and waste 12k on data and dstv.How can such a person support a wife and a kid
Young people should strive,live within their means and find a way out of this economic mess .

Dicktionary:


Hello Bro. Uninspired07.
I like your post because you are single and inquisitive to know more, but I want to tell you, that the secret of any marriage is known only when you get married yourself.
Some average family have 10 children and they are doing fine, and I know a friend who have only one child, and they are finding it difficult to eat etc.

Not all northern have up to 4 wife's and many children, because in the Holy Quaran you are suppose to treat all of them equally, so many of them no longer marry much and bear much children.

My former neighbor an Igbo woman have 13 children from her late husband, and another I know well in Kwale have 17 Children. It doesn't matter where you are from, plenty children is a World wide thing.


NIGERIA IS NOT GOING TO ANY CIVIL WAR SOONER OR LATER......I have been so blessed to travel to more than eight Wartorn countries around the world.
THEY IS NO PEACE ANYWHERE ON EARTH, EVEN PEACEFUL COUNTRIES ARE ALWAYS HAVING THE FEAR OF TERRORIST ATTACK.

I CAN MENTION 7 EUROPEAN AND 9 ASIA BIG NATIONS THAT I HAVE TRAVELED TO THAT NIGERIAN ECONOMY IS FAR BETTER THAN THEM.

Calm down Bros. Nigeria is blessed, but Nigerian Citizen are the Most Stupid and Idiot set Vagabond's of a Homosapien walking on this planet!!!!


Smh
godfearingD!ck

Nigeria could go to a civil war very soon. Very soon, other tribes will unite together and rise up against Fulani herdsmen and their advancement in the middlebelt and the south. It is going to be very bloody. People are already tired and fed up.

This is the foundation for inter-generational poverty that i keep telling people about. If you have to live your life for your children, then you shouldnt have had them at all. Your parents probably denied themselves the good things of life to provide for your needs. Now you are going through the same circle. If you had given birth to just one, you would enjoy your life and your child would enjoy his or her life too.

Nigerians need to start thinking with their brains and not their emotions or some sentimental attachment. Everyone is living life for their children cos they have more that they can afford to take care of. This is wrong!!!

Toneyo:


After I had 3 kids I did family planing. Now, I have 5 kids. Family planning failed me twice.

I could have floushed them but no, I cant abort my own blood.

Things are not that easy for me, but I dont mind putting on rags to give my kids the best. They are all I've got.

Nowenuse:


This is completely and highly false. It is very very common to see Christian Nigerian women who are in their 30s, 40s and even 50s who have never gotten married or had any children in their lifetime.... However, something like this is very very rare to non-existent among northern muslims. Hardly do u ever see a Northern muslim lady in her 30s who had never given birth, unless she has issues of infertility...

Not even disability is enough reason for a northern muslim woman not to have children. Lame, blind, dumb, deaf and even imbëcile northern muslim women have children in their 20s.

No, the emboldened is false. It is not "very common" at all. My very large extended family (both on my mum and dad's side), I have only one aunt who never married or had children. All my female cousins in their 30's are married too except one I can think off. And I come from a relatively educated family in a relatively enlightened area in Anambra. But I'll grant you that the North has a higher fertility/birth rate:
https://nigerianstat.gov.ng/download/775
My point is that people underrate how prolific Southerners are in breeding.

How can u ever compare the birthrates of a people who are predominantly literates to people who are predominantly illiterates? You are not being reasonable.

Because Nigeria literates act like educated illiterates basically in everything they do: whether their religious fanaticism, or lifestyle (I was in traffic a few days ago and just watching some guy in a suit casually throwing all his banana peels on the road from his bus) or the way they breed. One theory I have why educated, working class Southern women have so many children is because many of them hire housemaids and houseboys to take care of their children, so it doesn't affect their careers much. I come from a large family myself, and one reason my educated mum who was an FIRS Deputy Director could afford to have so many kids was because we had househelps (at a stage, when I was in nursery school, we had 3). If these women were in Europe where housegirls/houseboys are illegal and seen as human trafficking and hiring adult maids is very expensive, they wouldn't be popping out kids anyhow cos it would affect their careers having to take care of all the kids they're having. I have a sister in the UK for example with just 1 child and juggling that singular child and her career is difficult and expensive. It's far easier for working women in Nigeria than it is abroad.

All the focus seem to be on money. I haven't read many people talking about the time requirements of taking care of children.

Even if you are as rich as Dangote, it doesn't mean you should have ten children. Taking care of children and giving them the right care, attention and orientation requires time. The more children you have, the less individual attention you can give. One reason Nigeria is destined to get worse in future is that many children would keep growing up without parental care.

Bagehot:


In terms of average density per landmass, Nigeria is pretty overpopulated. For comparison, Nigeria's landmass is 923,763 km², whilst Texas (just one state in America) is 695,662 km² - roughly two-thirds of Nigeria's landmass. Yet the population of Texas is 28.7 million compared to Nigeria's 180 million. That's a ridiculous density per square km.

Overpopulation is not necessarily based on landmass, rather availability of resources & urban planning.
Tokyo metro is just about 13,000km² yet there are 40 million people living there and overpopulation is not felt cos the city was well planned.
If you consider Nigeria overpopulated, then Germany is overpopulated too.

Besides, the spread of population in Nigeria is uneven. Southern Nigeria has only 22% of Nigeria's landmass, yet 50% of the population.

Some LGAs in Northern Nigeria are bigger than states in Southern Nigeria.

tommy589:


Nigeria of my parents was not as good as this.
It was only in the 70s during the oil boom and the beginning of 80s that majority of Nigerians experienced good life. Life was not rosy in the 50s and 60s as some people tend to talk of "good olden days"
Nigeria of then was viable because people live within their means. I witnessed marriages solemnised in churches celebrated with soft drinks,no food. How many young people today can settle for such,the unemployed ones also want elaborate marriage ceremony and transfer the cost to family members. Ask them to use the marriage ceremony money for personal development they will disagree.
People are really suffering today, but some of these sufferings are self inflicted. It is not because of population, because the ratio of population to land mass is still sustainable. Japan, one the most developed country in the world population is not growing and it is not because of poverty/economy but choice.
Is it economic wise to earn 60k monthly and waste 12k on data and dstv.How can such a person support a wife and a kid
Young people should strive,live within their means and find a way out of this economic mess .

Nigeria of today is the worst , poverty capital of the world , huge debt , low life expectancy rate etc . And yes our inability to manage our population is one of the manor issues . 12k on data and dstv is not a waste ,that is less than $30... In a country with a sane economy , and employment rate , those are the basic things , Nigeria isn't yet that country hence we need to slow down our population growth . China did a one child policy from 1970 to 2016 and it prevented 400 million births which they claimed was good for this economy , even now they practice a two child policy , Nigeria isn't even close to china yet the Chinese are trying to curb the population problem .

Check the availability of recourses and do a ratio to the number of people , every single thing in this country is stretched , too many students , few Universities with adequate facilities , no good health care , electricity , or even jobs

Obi1kenobi:


No, the emboldened is false. It is not "very common" at all. My very large extended family (both on my mum and dad's side), I have only one aunt who never married or had children. All my female cousins in their 30's are married too except one I can think off. And I come from a relatively educated family in a relatively enlightened area in Anambra. But I'll grant you that the North has a higher fertility/birth rate:
https://nigerianstat.gov.ng/download/775
My point is that people underrate how prolific Southerners are in breeding.



Because Nigeria literates act like educated illiterates basically in everything they do: whether their religious fanatism, or lifestyle (I was in traffic a few days ago and just watching some guy in a suit casually throwing all his banana peels on the road from his bus) or the way they breed. One theory I have why educated, working class Southern women have so many children is because many of them hire housemaids and houseboys to take care of their children, so it doesn't affect their careers much. I come from a large family myself, and one reason my educated mum who was an FIRS Deputy Director could afford to have so many kids was because we had househelps (at a stage, when I was in nursery school, we had 3). If these women were in Europe where housegirls/houseboys are illegal and seen as human trafficking and hiring adult maids is very expensive, they wouldn't be popping out kids anyhow cos it would affect their careers having to take care of all the kids they're having. I have a sister in the UK for example with just 1 child and juggling that singular child and her career is difficult and expensive. It's far easier for working women in Nigeria than it is abroad.

Yes you are very very correct about the maid factor. It's very true.

Nobody is saying Southern Nigerians don't have a high birthrate. What we are saying is that it is nowhere compared to the north. Another thing is that most Southerners and Christians thrive to go to school and make their lives better unlike our northern counterparts who do not care about a better life in their majority. Rather they take pride in calling themselves TALAKAWA (poor masses), believing that they were created by God to be poor as their fate and destiny.


Take for example, my mother was from an extremely poor interior rural area in Plateau state where it takes almost an hour drive on untarred road to get there (Till now no light there). They had to trekk for hours everyday to get to school in the next community cos their own group of villages had no primary school.
Southerners cannot comprehend this kind of poverty.
She was the first child among 11 children and had to dropout of secondary school. Luckily for her she married an educated person and she was able to train almost all her younger ones to school and today some of them are millionaires and most of them are graduates.

This kind of phenomenon can hardly ever be seen among Northern Muslims. Christians generally are encouraged towards education and love it. We admire a better life and strive towards it. If it were muslims in my mother's family's shoes, everyone would have still remained in poverty by now having so many children.

My mother's immediate younger sister who went to live amongst muslim relatives and fulanis and became a Muslim till date has her and her 8 children stuck in a vicious cycle of poverty. Infact she would have had more children if not that her husband died.
She calls my mother to beg my mother money not to pay school fees for her children, rather for her teenage children's wedding! Imagine the fuckéry! My mother has no grandchild yet, but this her younger muslim sister has around 5 grandchildren and expecting more!

A typical Southerner like u will never understand the difference between muslim and christian birthrate differences. My society is a reflection of this and I am giving you first hand information.

Nowenuse:


Yes you are very very correct about the maid factor. It's very true.

Nobody is saying Southern Nigerians don't have a high birthrate. What we are saying is that it is nowhere compared to the north. Another thing is that most Southerners and Christians thrive to go to school and make their lives better unlike our northern counterparts who do not care about a better life in their majority. Rather they take pride in calling themselves TALAKAWA (poor masses), believing that they were created by God to be poor as their fate and destiny.


Take for example, my mother was from an extremely poor interior rural area in Plateau state where it takes almost an hour drive on untarred road to get there (Till now no light there). They had to trekk for hours everyday to get to school in the next community cos their own group of villages had no primary school.
Southerners cannot comprehend this kind of poverty.
She was the first child among 11 children and had to dropout of secondary school. Luckily for her she married an educated person and she was able to train almost all her younger ones to school and today some of them are millionaires and most of them are graduates.

This kind of phenomenon can hardly ever be seen among Northern Muslims. Christians generally are encouraged towards education and love it. We admire a better life and strive towards it. If it were muslims in my mother's family's shoes, everyone would have still remained in poverty by now having so many children.

My mother's immediate younger sister who went to live amongst muslim relatives and fulanis and became a Muslim till date has her and her 8 children stuck in a vicious cycle of poverty. Infact she would have had more children if not that her husband died.
She calls my mother to beg my mother money not to pay school fees for her children, rather for her teenage children's wedding! Imagine the fuckéry! My mother has no grandchild yet, but this her younger muslim sister has around 5 grandchildren and expecting more!

A typical Southerner like u will never understand the difference between muslim and christian birthrate differences. My society is a reflection of this and I am giving you first hand information.

I don't doubt or argue against the emboldened. The social dysfunction among Northern Muslims that prevents their upward mobility is undeniable. But that is a different issue. In this thread, we're talking solely about the common propensity all Nigerians have to breed like rabbits, and I'm just saying even Southerners are caught in the vicious cycle. I've lived down South here all my life and everyday, I see people with many children who have no business having many children. But yes, I'll concede from the data I've seen, Northerners are breeding more. This current generation of 18 to 40-year-olds seem to be turning things around. Most of my family and friends who are at breeding age right now aren't having any more than 3 kids. I hope this will define our future. Cos we're not yet an overpopulated country, but we're almost there.

uninspired07:


And you think some of us want to be Nigerians for ever? What’s my business with Nigeria? The North can have the shithole to themselves. The sane ones will eventually emigrate out of Nigeria with their families.

With 200 million as a population,how many can possibly emigrate
You most probably will live and die in this country,that's a fact.If not then at least you'll have siblings and relatives...loved ones whom are forever stuck in the country.Like it or not.

Obi1kenobi:


During which period did China grow from 1.3 billion to 1.4 billion? And when did I say it is not growing. I said it is "barely growing"....abi, you don't know what "barely growing" means? China's population growth rate in 0.6% per annum. Nigeria's is 2.6% per annum (over 4 times more than China). This means over the next decades, China's population will barely grow while Nigeria's population will almost double every 25-year cycle.



Of course, it is because of our culture. Go and look at a UN or Word Bank table of global population growth rates. Apart from a country like Afghanistan which is a shiithole, almost all the countries with high population growth rates (2% and over - some almost as high as 4%) are subsaharan African nations. Why else do you think that is other than a regressive, uneducated, unproductive culture that turns women to breeding machines?

Brazil has a bigger population than Nigeria, but it's growth rate is less than 1/3rd of Nigeria's. This means it's keeping a moderate growth rate and maintaining what it has. And Brazil is far bigger in landmass with more resources than Nigeria and one of the fastest growing economies in the world that invests in human capital.

No homosexuality has little effect on the population. If you assert it, you have to prove it. This is not a beer parlour where you can claim anything you want.

Which ancient Nigeria. China is a very old, great civilization. Nigeria as an entity was basically invented by the British. If not for the British, we could easily be 10 different countries. But this has nothing to do with the crux of my argument.

Another thing about Nigerian Christians is that we are rapidly immigrating! Many of us are leaving to Western countries.
As it stands, there are over 5 million Nigerians and their descendants in developed Western nations.
Cc uninspired07


@Obi1kenobi ... I may sound silly, but personally I would like the population of Subsaharan or Black Africans to double ASAP. Europeans had a population explosion for the last millennium. It was this pressure of the population explosion that pushed them into being more creative, building bigger ships and exploration, looking for more lands and continents to conquer and plunder.
I am not saying that this will exactly be our direction.
The European, East Asian & South- Asian races each have over 1 billion to 2 billion people and now they are talking about prosperity for their people and birthcontrol.....

However, I feel we Black Africans put in birthcontrol ahead of us, yes we could progress, but we will never be able to catch up the demographic advantage these other civilizations had during their own periods of population explosion.

dankol:


Don't let anyone guilt-trip you. If you know and you know you won't be able to cater for the child. Pls do the child a favour by terminating it.

Straight up... Thanks bro

1Sharon:


Sis, I hate when people say that crap. What is the chance of becoming a president?

Abi ooooo, child wey u train inside poverty, na farm he or she go work last last.... Rubbish.... This week will be the end of it.

TonyeBarcanista:

I'm from a large family and I know the burden my father was shouldering.

2-3 is best!

Same as here

Obi1kenobi:


I don't doubt or argue against the emboldened. The social dysfunction among Northern Muslims that prevents their upward mobility is undeniable. But that is a different issue. In this thread, we're talking solely about the common propensity all Nigerians have to breed like rabbits, and I'm just saying even Southerners are caught in the vicious cycle. I've lived down South here all my life and everyday, I see people with many children who have no business having many children. But yes, I'll concede from the data I've seen, Northerners are breeding more. This current generation of 18 to 40-year-olds seem to be turning things around. Most of my family and friends who are at breeding age right now aren't having any more than 3 kids. I hope this will define our future. Cos we're not yet an overpopulated country, but we're almost there.

Thank you! The mentality is changing on it's own among the younger educated urban middle-class and even lowclass Christians of Nigeria.... That's why I find this thread unnecessary. It's a trend that is going away on it's own gradually.
This tells us that it is better we intensify efforts on quality education, cos with this, things like this naturally fade away on their own.

It's also fairly the same among the muslims. Educated urban northern muslims also have fewer children. I have many educated middle-class Hausa fulani Muslim family friends and all of them have 3-4 children only and are mostly monogamous.
The problem is the illiterate northern muslims who sadly are in the overwhelming majority.

CorporateJay:


And so how is his life... Do you envy him and want to be like him

I don't fancy polygamy but as long as I can discharge my responsibilities on my children no problem the number.

Nowenuse:


Another thing about Nigerian Christians is that we are rapidly immigrating! Many of us are leaving to Western countries.
As it stands, there are over 5 million Nigerians and their descendants in developed Western nations.
Cc uninspired07


@Obi1kenobi ... I may sound silly, but personally I would like the population of Subsaharan or Black Africans to double ASAP. Europeans had a population explosion for the last millennium. It was this pressure of the population explosion that pushed them into being more creative, building bigger ships and exploration, looking for more lands and continents to conquer and plunder.
I am not saying that this will exactly be our direction.
The European, East Asian & South- Asian races each have over 1 billion to 2 billion people and now they are talking about prosperity for their people and birthcontrol.....

However, I feel we Black Africans put in birthcontrol ahead of us, yes we could progress, but we will never be able to catch up the demographic advantage these other civilizations had during their own periods of population explosion.

Africa is already the most populated continent after Asia. We're more populated than Europe (1.2 billion to 714 million). I'd say considering all our problems on the continent, we don't need any more people. People are a resource, but only if they're developed human capital and Africa's human capital is the most underdeveloped on the planet by far, so we're more a continent of consumption than production. The world's problems over the next century (tech evolution and medical developments and scientific discoveries and space exploration and climate change action and environmental conservation etc) would basically be solved by the productive people while all we'll keep doing here in Africa is breeding. We shouldn't be proud of the fact we're a liability to the world rather than assets to the world. The pressures we're already facing in Africa (urban population explosions, climate change and desertification, famine, drought and disease, political and sectarian strife etc) is why hundreds of thousands of Africans are risking the perilous journey through Libya and the Mediterranean crossing to get to Europe. And it will only get worse.

Think of this: at Nigerian independence, the UK's population was 52 million while Nigeria's was 45 million. Today, the UK is 66 million while Nigeria is close to 200 million. Which is predicted to hit 450 million by 2050 (UK's population would be around 76 million at that time by projections) and 750 million by 2100. Biko, e don do for us. Let us stop. Lagos is barely a livable city nowadays because of the population and lack of infrastructure to support that population. I can't imagine what it would be like for the population of Lagos to keep expanding. China's one child policy was one of the greatest economic policies of the last century. It eliminated about 400 million people who would have been born in that time and allow China to deliver focused policies that dragged several hundred million Chinese citizens out of poverty in the space of a few decades. If African states had any ambition, that is the kind of thing we should be conceptualizing right now.