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Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by OkCornel(m): 1:01am On Dec 30, 2019 |
Coolext: Smh, Check for Cush please! Cush means dark or burnt face. I’m asking for Cush, you’re bringing Ham here. And just to add, please do a check on the Semitic race, let’s know if they’re blacks ![]() ![]() Read Jeremiah 13 v 23; 23 Can the Ethiopian (Cushite) change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil. If the Jews were as black or dark as the Ethiopians, why did Jeremiah the Jewish prophet lay more emphasis on the skin of a typical Ethiopian? Cc: Zirimane |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by OkCornel(m): 1:24am On Dec 30, 2019 |
Jesus and the Jews were blacks crew. Please explain Jeremiah 13 v 23, thanks. 1 Like |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by OkCornel(m): 1:29am On Dec 30, 2019 |
Coolext: This is what I saw in the Zondervan Bible dictionary regarding Ham; Ham (person). ham (Heb. ām H2769, possibly “warm, hot”). Also Cham (some older English versions). Second son of NOAH and brother of SHEM and JAPHETH (Gen. 5:32; 6:10; 7:13; 9:18, 22; 10:1, 6, 20; 1 Chr. 1:4, 8 ). Ham had four sons, CUSH, MIZRAIM (Egypt), PUT, and CANAAN (Gen. 10:6). He is identified as the ancestor of the Egyptians and of the peoples who were under the control of EGYPT in NE Africa, ARABIA, and CANAAN (with the exception of NIMROD). His name serves also as the patronymic of his descendants (Ps. 78:51; 105:23, 27; 106:22; possibly also 1 Chr. 4:40 [NIV, “Hamites,” supplied also in v. 41], but this reference may allude to an otherwise unknown place). The term Hamitic was commonly used in the past to designate a group of languages in N Africa, including Egyptian, that are related to the Semitic languages (the label Hamito- Semitic is seldom used today by scholars, who prefer the term Afroasiatic). According to Gen. 9:20-25, Noah became intoxicated, and he lay uncovered in a drunken stupor; Ham saw him and told his brothers. When Noah awoke and learned what had happened, he cursed Ham’s son Canaan and said that his descendants would be the slaves of the descendants of Shem and Japheth. http://xzt8mi7hup.pdfcloud.org/dl2.php?id=158289937&h=b001678c1f83f3c65b99e2a4afa43cc8&u=cache&ext=pdf&n=Zondervan%20illustrated%20bible%20dictionary |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by OkCornel(m): 1:41am On Dec 30, 2019 |
The above is also from the Zondervan Bible dictionary. Please someone should explain how the descendants of Shem i.e. the Persians, Assyrians, Chaldeans (where Abraham the father of the Jews hailed from), Lydians and Syrians were also blacks too ![]() ![]() ![]() I never start with una yet. |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by Scottallen: 4:35am On Dec 30, 2019 |
Ancient Egyptians were likely Black people. However, ancient Israelis weren't Black. They were a mixture of the semites and some Mediterranean groups. They have always been olive skinned with a tiny black admixture. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by Scottallen: 4:41am On Dec 30, 2019 |
MrPresident1: Assyria, Ur, Babylon and all Iranian people have always had White to olive skin. The Arabs are ancient people. They still have an Olive skin till this day Make una stop all this madness! Why would you claim someone's heritage. We are from Africa and no where else! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by MrPresident1: 6:28am On Dec 30, 2019 |
OkCornel: This is what Jeremiah says about Judah Jeremiah 14:2 Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish; they are black unto the ground; and the cry of Jerusalem is gone up. Just in case you don't know the meaning of gates as is used here, gates mean leaders, the chiefs of the people. |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by MrPresident1: 6:40am On Dec 30, 2019 |
OkCornel: Still from Zondervan: “Ham: The youngest son of Noah, born probably about 96 years before the Flood; and one of eight persons to live through the Flood. He became the progenitor of the dark races; not the Negroes , but the Egyptians, Ethiopians, Libyans and Canaanites.” – Zondervan Bible Dictionary We know that Japheth is the origin of Europeans and Ham is the origin of Africans, which only leaves Shem as the origin of the Negroes. However, it is important to note that Zondervan does not provide any explanation for the statement as to why they don’t believe Negroes came from Ham. http://www.blackhistoryinthebible.com/the-evidence/zondervan-bible-dictionary-negroes-are-not-from-the-line-of-ham/ |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by MrPresident1: 6:54am On Dec 30, 2019 |
Scottallen: One argument European Christians like to make is that Hebrews look “Middle Eastern” or “olive”, but we know from the Bible that’s not True. For those that don’t believe scripture is important, or that they can make it up as they go in order to feel more comfortable, Tacitus is one more nail in the coffin. “A few authorities hold that in the reign of Isis the surplus population of Egypt was evacuated to neighboring lands under the leadership of Hierosolymus and Judas. Many assure us that the Jews are descended from those Ethiopians who were driven by fear and hatred to emigrate from their home country when Cepheus was king. There are some who say that a motley collection of landless Assyrians occupied a part of Egypt, and then built cities of their own, inhabiting the lands of the Hebrews and the nearer parts of Syria…” – Tacitus, Histories 5.2-5 As we can see, Tacitus described Hebrew origin as possibly Egyptian or Ethiopian. This is important because it puts perspective [on] an Old Testament Bible verse: “Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel? saith the LORD. Have not I brought up Israel out of the land of Egypt? and the Philistines from Caphtor, and the Syrians from Kir?” – Amos 9:7 http://www.blackhistoryinthebible.com/the-evidence/tacitus-confirms-that-hebrews-looked-like-africans/ |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by Scottallen: 7:08am On Dec 30, 2019 |
MrPresident1: What scripture are you talking about? You paint the scripture to suit your imagination and narrative. The old Israelites knew the Egyptians. They were never the same. Soon, you would claim the Greeks, the Phonecians (otherwise called Lebanese), the Persians, Assyrians and other ancient people. God made each to their own kind. We in this part of the world have nothing to do with Ancient Egypt. The Bejas, Nubians, Dinkas, the many tribes of Northern Sudan and some tribes of Southern Sudan, Eritrea, Somalia, Ethiopia, these are the ones that have some link with Ancient Egypt. However, ancient Egyptians themselves were not the same with the Ancient Hebrews. The ancient Hebrews were olive skinned as can still be seen in the surrounding environment till this day 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by MrPresident1: 7:13am On Dec 30, 2019 |
OkCornel: Jeremiah 13:23 23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil. I prefer to say darkskinned instead of black because blackness came as a result of famine. The Ethiopians being referred to here was likely of a darker shade, black (the spots of the leopard is black, right?), than the people of Judah, hence the Lord making this declaration. However, we see the Jews turning black as a result of famine Jeremiah 14:2 Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish; they are black unto the ground; and the cry of Jerusalem is gone up. |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by MrPresident1: 7:16am On Dec 30, 2019 |
Scottallen: Tacitus sounds the death knell on your olive skin theory. The Scriptures I am talking about is the Bible |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by Scottallen: 8:58am On Dec 30, 2019 |
MrPresident1: Why do you not claim all of the neighbors of the Ancient Hebrews to be Black too? Go ahead and claim that every race is Black |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by MrPresident1: 9:47am On Dec 30, 2019 |
Scottallen: Abraham was from Ur of the Chaldees, he was Assyrian (Syrian), from ancient Mesopotamia. A king of Mesopotamia was called Cushan-Rishathaim, Google the meaning. The Canaanites were Hamites, Ham is black. |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by blessedlibra: 9:58am On Dec 30, 2019 |
BlueAngel444: I wanted to take him serious, until you insist on using bible as your only source of reference. scholastic laziness. maybe he should read up more about color spectrum |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by Scottallen: 9:59am On Dec 30, 2019 |
MrPresident1: So, everyone is now Black ![]() ![]() ![]() You're really funny! You have taken your own delusion too far ![]() ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by OkCornel(m): 10:04am On Dec 30, 2019 |
MrPresident1: Oh, so if the Jews could get dark as a result of famine (assuming that’s what the scriptures even really means there), doesn’t that tell you the Jews were never blacks or dark to start with....hmmm? |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by OkCornel(m): 10:05am On Dec 30, 2019 |
MrPresident1: And the Semitic people are black too? ![]() ![]() |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by Scottallen: 10:05am On Dec 30, 2019 |
OkCornel: Don't mind them. I believe they are suffering from inferiority complex. Just because, the Jews are successful, everyone wants to associate with them. What's wrong in being African? What's wrong in taking pride in our mud houses, in our masquerade, oracles, and other elements of our culture? What's wrong with being African? Why do people claim what they are not? I'm an Igboman and I'm a proud African. We were created here in Nigeria, West Africa. I'm really tired of our people! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by OkCornel(m): 10:06am On Dec 30, 2019 |
Scottallen: My brother, I tire for am ooo. Lol. 1 Like |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by OkCornel(m): 10:14am On Dec 30, 2019 |
blessedlibra: OLIVE SKIN; Olive skin is a human skin color spectrum. It is often associated with pigmentation in the Type III to Type IV and Type V ranges of the Fitzpatrick scale. It generally refers to light or moderate brown, brownish, or tannish skin, and it is often described as having yellowish, greenish, or golden undertones. People with olive skin can sometimes become more pale if their sun exposure is limited. Lighter olive skin tans more easily than does fair skin, and generally still retains notable yellow or greenish undertones. Geographic distribution Type III pigmentation is frequent among populations from parts of the Mediterranean, Asia, and Latin America. It ranges from cream to darker olive skin tones. This skin type sometimes mildly burns and tans gradually, but always tans. Type IV pigmentation is frequent among populations from the Mediterranean, as well as parts of Asia and Latin America. It ranges from brownish or darker olive to moderate brown, typical Mediterranean skin tones. This skin type rarely burns and tans easily. Type V pigmentation is frequent among populations from the Middle East, parts of the Mediterranean, parts of Africa, Latin America, and the Indian subcontinent. It ranges from oliveto tan, Middle Eastern skin tones. This skin type very rarely burns and tans quite easily. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_skin NOW, ARE THE PRESENT OCCUPANTS OF THE MIDDLE EAST (ARABS, TURKS, ARMENIANS ETC) ARE THESE RACES ALSO OLIVE SKINNED OR NOT? |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by OkCornel(m): 10:17am On Dec 30, 2019 |
MrPresident1: Come again please, are you in anyway suggesting Abraham was from the lineage of Ham? And this Cushan-Rishathaim you speak of, was he the king of Mesopotamia prior to when Abraham was born? Did you ever consider whether he became king of Mesopotamia via war and conquest several centuries after the existence of Abraham? I just dey laugh una... |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by MrPresident1: 10:18am On Dec 30, 2019 |
OkCornel: Abraham was from Assyria, he was Shem. He was melanated. Genesis 10:22 The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram. Deuteronomy 26:5 And thou shalt speak and say before the Lord thy God, A Syrian ready to perish was my father, and he went down into Egypt, and sojourned there with a few, and became there a nation, great, mighty, and populous: Assyria and Syria are the same people |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by MrPresident1: 10:19am On Dec 30, 2019 |
OkCornel: How turns black in suffering? A darkskinned person turns black upon severe hardship |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by MrPresident1: 10:21am On Dec 30, 2019 |
Scottallen: Black is the primordial germ. |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by MrPresident1: 10:24am On Dec 30, 2019 |
OkCornel: You dont know basic history. Abraham was a Syrian or Assyrian, from the line of Asshur, Asshur is from Shem Genesis 10:22 The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram. |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by OkCornel(m): 10:26am On Dec 30, 2019 |
MrPresident1: Assyria (Asshur) and Syria (Aram) are different Abraham was from the Chaldeans, not Assyria. Very good anyways, we are making progress. I hope you know the following races are also Semitic alongside Assyria 1) Persians (now Iranians and parts of Iraq) 2) Lydians or Ludites (now Turkey) Are these people not also olive skinned up till this present day? Why aren’t they classified as blacks too? Cc: Zirimane, Scottallen |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by OkCornel(m): 10:27am On Dec 30, 2019 |
MrPresident1: Stop making a mess of basic history. Abraham was a Chaldean, not Assyrian. The Chaldeans descended from Arphaxad. The Assyrians descended from Asshur. The Syrians descended from Aram. Abraham hailed from Ur. Ur is always known as Ur of the Chaldees (Chaldean) Go and do your research properly abeg! |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by MrPresident1: 10:33am On Dec 30, 2019 |
OkCornel: The verse I showed you says a 'Syrian ready to die was my father', this is Moses speaking to the Israelites. Your second point speaks to to the resurrection of the dead. God spiritually killed Egypt (Ham), Assyria, and Israel, all darkskinned people. Isaiah 19:24-25 24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land: 25 Whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance. |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by MrPresident1: 10:39am On Dec 30, 2019 |
OkCornel: Genesis 11:11-28 King James Version (KJV) 11 And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters. 12 And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah: 13 And Arphaxad lived after he begat Salah four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters. 14 And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber: 15 And Salah lived after he begat Eber four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters. 16 And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg: 17 And Eber lived after he begat Peleg four hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters. 18 And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu: 19 And Peleg lived after he begat Reu two hundred and nine years, and begat sons and daughters. 20 And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug: 21 And Reu lived after he begat Serug two hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters. 22 And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor: 23 And Serug lived after he begat Nahor two hundred years, and begat sons and daughters. 24 And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah: 25 And Nahor lived after he begat Terah an hundred and nineteen years, and begat sons and daughters. 26 And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran. 27 Now these are the generations of Terah: Terah begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran; and Haran begat Lot. 28 And Haran died before his father Terah in the land of his nativity, in Ur of the Chaldees. Sorry for the long Bible passage, I wanted you to have good perspective. Now take note of verse 11 which begins with Shem, now go to verses 24, 26, 28 1 Like |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by OkCornel(m): 10:43am On Dec 30, 2019 |
MrPresident1: Further lies. So please explain to us how the following Semitic races closely related to the Jews are olive skinned but yet not blacks or dark skinned; 1) Lydians (now Turkey) 2) Aram (now Syria) 3) Elamites (later known as Persia or present day Iran) Why are the Turks, Syrians and Iranians not also considered blacks like their Jewish brothers hmmm? |
Re: Are Hebrews Really Black People ? by OkCornel(m): 10:46am On Dec 30, 2019 |
MrPresident1: First off, you claimed Abraham was an Assyrian/Syrian... I was just laughing at you. Look at that genealogy properly, did Abraham descend from either Asshur(Assyria) or Aram (Syria)? Look very well before you answer. |
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