advocatejare:
Imagine the foolish question you're asking me, do I pray SALAT? Salat/Solat is the Arabic word for prayer, and you're asking me if I pray prayer?

I see. There is no need for me to be waste my time with you. Salat was legislated and it had format from the time of Abraham to Muhammad(PBUT). What you christians are doing today is not SALAT(prayers) but praises. SALAT is worship and it is specific format. Praises come anytime and anywhere. Sujud is Worship.

advocatejare:
Gospel means "Goodnews" Gospel according to John simply means "The Goodnews Jesus preached as reported by John"

It was the illiterate Muhammad that messed up your brains by lying to you that Jesus brought a book called Gospel. Gospel is not a book brought by Jesus, gospel is the Goodnews of salvation preached by Jesus which was later compiled into a book by his disciples

Stop wasting your time. Where is Gospel according to Jesus?

Empiree:
why then Jesus will not be able to safe these people?

Many will say to me on that day, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?” Then I will tell them plainly, “I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!” (Matt 7:22-23)


Someone asked him, “Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?” He said to them, “Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Sir, open the door for us.’ But he will answer, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from.’ Then you will say, ‘We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’ But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!’” (Lk 13:23-27)
Later the other virgins also came, saying, “Lord, lord, open up for us.” But he answered, “Truly I say to you, I do not know you.” Be on the alert then, for you do not know the day nor the hour (Mat 25:12-13).


So, the Hadith and verse of Quran you quoted is telling you that you have to have your own faith. You can not really rely on your parent's faith to make heaven

That was Jesus highlighting the fact that if you call him Lord and you still engage in evil, you won't enter the Heavens inhabited by him and the Holy God, it's only your filthy paradise where there will be orgies that will accommodate evil doers

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Empiree:
Stop wasting your time. Where is Gospel according to Jesus?

It's like you're asking me to show you the Hadith written by Muhammad.

Or show me the book written by Allah.


Your Hadiths will say "as narrated by... "
That's the same way the Gospel Jesus preached was narrated by his disciples

Show me the Hadith written by Muhammad and I will show the Gospel written by Jesus.

Did Muhammad write any book or did your Allah write any book?

Empiree:
I see. There is no need for me to be waste my time with you. Salat was legislated and it had format from the time of Abraham to Muhammad(PBUT). What you christians are doing today is not SALAT(prayers) but praises. SALAT is worship and it is specific format. Praises come anytime and anywhere. Sujud is Worship.

Legislated by who? Show me the proof that Allah legislated it, show me from the Book written by Allah and not from the book dictated by a jinn whom you erroneously call Gabriel.

Show me direct word from Allah, not through an intermediary, where salat was legislated

advocatejare:
your god is limited to one direction, if you don't face that direction he cant answer your prayers, my God is everywhere, he's omnipresent, he's not limited by direction or anything i don't need to face any direction to pray to him, my God is not a fallen meteorite, a black stone that you all go to Mecca to kiss. My God is Yahweh. I don't worship 3 gods. My God is One, He Has Jesus Christ as the only begotten Son

Your god is Allah the idol of the Quarysh, the Blackstone of the Kaaba

I only replied to that comment so that others will find something educative and informative in what I wrote and not just because I want to convince a daft and illiterate fool like you. I will advise that you get busy with your delusional wander for I have no second to waste on wasted zygote like you.

advocatejare:
Legislated by who? Show me the proof that Allah legislated it, show me from the Book written by Allah and not from the book dictated by a jinn whom you erroneously call Gabriel.

Show me direct word from Allah, not through an intermediary, where salat was legislated

Guy, SALAT legislated in your Bible exactly or almost exactly the way muslims pray salat. Let me take you to the Book of Nehemiah 8:4-6

And Ezra the scribe stood upon a pulpit of wood, which they had made for the purpose; and beside him stood Mattithiah, and Shema, and Anaiah, and Urijah, and Hilkiah, and Maaseiah, on his right hand; and on his left hand, Pedaiah, and Mishael, and Malchiah, and Hashum, and Hashbadana, Zechariah, and Meshullam

And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people; (for he was above all the people) and when he opened it, all the people stood up:

And Ezra blessed the Lord, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the Lord with their faces to the ground.


To better understand this SALAT mentioned in this Bible verses, I have posted short video for better understanding below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WagXsAg5jTE

You may watch the full version in the video below from 13-16 mins or better still, watch the entire debate with your open heart


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbHnZoXF2yY


Now watch this muslim SALAT and compared to Nehemiah 8 vs 4-6

advocatejare:
It's like you're asking me to show you the Hadith written by Muhammad.

Or show me the book written by Allah.


Your Hadiths will say "as narrated by... "
That's the same way the Gospel Jesus preached was narrated by his disciples

Show me the Hadith written by Muhammad and I will show the Gospel written by Jesus.

Did Muhammad write any book or did your Allah write any book?

See how you failed?. You failed woefully. Quran was documented in the lifetime of prophet muhammad(SAW) and compiled. Hadith was written after him so he is not the author of hadith and he is not author of Quran but he received Quran and was documented in his presence and reviewed it numerous times. It is true that hadith is narration as you rightly said which is clear. Now, reality is that something narrated by someone from someone can never ever be 100% accurate all the time. This is exactly what bible (gospel of Mark, Luke, Matthew and John) is but Quran is not. Quran is 100%. So yes, prophet muhammad did not author hadith

advocatejare:


That was Jesus highlighting the fact that if you call him Lord and you still engage in evil, you won't enter the Heavens inhabited by him and the Holy God, it's only your filthy paradise where there will be orgies that will accommodate evil doers

See how I humbled you. Before, you sounded like Jesus will make you enter Heaven no matter what. Now that you understood this, this is exactly what ayah of Quran and hadith you quoted are saying. That, prophet muhammad (SAW) can not help you. You must first help yourself by having correct faith (islam) and righteous conduct. Only then he will be able to intercede for good muslims. So when you said "Muhammad said he can not help you" it means you deceived yourself.

Empiree:
See how I humbled you. Before, you sounded like Jesus will make you enter Heaven no matter what. Now that you understood this, this is exactly what ayah of Quran and hadith you quoted are saying. That, prophet muhammad (SAW) can not help you. You must first help yourself by having correct faith (islam) and righteous conduct. Only then he will be able to intercede for good muslims. So when you said "Muhammad said he can not help you" it means you deceived yourself.

Jesus knew where he was going, Muhammad didn't. Jesus preached holiness, Muhammad didn't. Muhammad said you can keep on committing sins that you will enter his filthy paradise as long as your good deeds is more than your bad deeds, Jesus promised a holy heaven, and that no evildoers or sinners will enter. Muhammad said his own heaven is sex party. Jesus said the Heaven inhabited by the Holy Yahweh is a holy one where no sinful activities will take place.

You're here comparing a sinless man with a miserable demon possessed man that died on the top of a woman in active service.

advocatejare:
Jesus knew where he was going, Muhammad didn't. Jesus preached holiness, Muhammad didn't. Muhammad said you can keep on committing sins that you will enter his filthy paradise as long as your good deeds is more than your bad deeds, Jesus promised a holy heaven, and that no evildoers or sinners will enter. Muhammad said his own heaven is sex party. Jesus said the Heaven inhabited by the Holy Yahweh is a holy one where no sinful activities will take place.

You're here comparing a sinless man with a miserable demon possessed man that died on the top of a woman in active service.

okay, I have humbled you quiet right. It is obvious you have no real counter argument. You are speaking now without proofs.

I have no reason to engage you further because I have presented evidences from your Bible and our Qur'an but your lack of intellectual argument is a prove that you have lost this. My advice to you is, please ponder on Nehemiah 8 verses 4 to 6 because this is evidence against you.

Have a nice day buddy.

Empiree:
Guy, SALAT legislated in your Bible exactly or almost exactly the way muslims pray salat. Let me take you to the Book of Nehemiah 8:4-6

And Ezra the scribe stood upon a pulpit of wood, which they had made for the purpose; and beside him stood Mattithiah, and Shema, and Anaiah, and Urijah, and Hilkiah, and Maaseiah, on his right hand; and on his left hand, Pedaiah, and Mishael, and Malchiah, and Hashum, and Hashbadana, Zechariah, and Meshullam

And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people; (for he was above all the people) and when he opened it, all the people stood up:

And Ezra blessed the Lord, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the Lord with their faces to the ground.


To better understand this SALAT mentioned in this Bible verses, I have posted short video for better understanding below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WagXsAg5jTE

You may watch the full version in the video below from 13-16 mins or better still, watch the entire debate with your open heart


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbHnZoXF2yY


Now watch this muslim SALAT and compared to Nehemiah 8 vs 4-6

Do you know the meaning of legislation? Show me where in the Bible where the command was given that the way Ezra prayed is how people should pray.

David danced and sang to praise the Lord
Jesus went to the mountain to pray.

You wouldn't see those but because Ezra's own suits your argument you're quick to cite that one.

Did Ezra pray towards the Blackstone, did Ezra bow towards the East?

Ezra and the Israeli worshipped the Holy God not Allah the Quarysh idol, a filthy sexually immoral god.

Ezra and the Israeli read from the Book of Moses inspired by Almighty God, they didn't read from the jargon, meaningless compilation from a jinn that tormented Muhammad in the cave of Hira.

Empiree:
okay, I have humbled you quiet right. It is obvious you have no real counter argument. You are speaking now without proofs.

I have no reason to engage you further because I have presented evidences from your Bible and our Qur'an but your lack of intellectual argument is a prove that you have lost this. My advice to you is, please ponder on Nehemiah 8 verses 4 to 6 because this is evidence against you.

Have a nice day buddy.

There is no where in the Nehemiah you quoted where God legislated that that's how people should pray to him.

You're just trying to add to the Word of the Lord to suit your argument and God has cursed people like you who add to his word, he said he will add to your calamities.

Empiree:
See how you failed?. You failed woefully. Quran was documented in the lifetime of prophet muhammad(SAW) and compiled. Hadith was written after him so he is not the author of hadith and he is not author of Quran but he received Quran and was documented in his presence and reviewed it numerous times. It is true that hadith is narration as you rightly said which is clear. Now, reality is that something narrated by someone from someone can never ever be 100% accurate all the time. This is exactly what bible (gospel of Mark, Luke, Matthew and John) is but Quran is not. Quran is 100%. So yes, prophet muhammad did not author hadith

Quran is 100% what? Only a foolish God would have inspired such a meaningless, haphazardly arranged book.

If the Quran was compiled by Muhammad as you said, those that compiled after he died wouldn't have asked for two witnesses before they included what people were reciting, they would simply have gone to pick the one Muhammad compiled and publish it.

Asking for two witnesses meant that either

1. Muhammad didn't compile anything before he died or

2. They didn't trust Muhammad, maybe they doubted his sanity.

If not, why would they need someone else to confirm what Muhammad who was the original recipient of the message, had compiled?

3. There wouldn't have existed other codices and Uthman wouldn't have ordered the other codices to be burnt.

4. Shia wouldn't have said the Quran was corrupted by Abu Bakr and the rest.

So try again, the Quran you have today is authored by Zaid bin Thabit and edited by Uthman the third Calipha.

Birniwa:

I only replied to that comment so that others will find something educative and informative in what I wrote and not just because I want to convince a daft and illiterate fool like you. I will advise that you get busy with your delusional wander for I have no second to waste on wasted zygote like you.

Truth is bitter, exposing that what you practice is pure idolatry is already setting fire to your bossom

Empiree:
okay, I have humbled you quiet right. It is obvious you have no real counter argument. You are speaking now without proofs.

I have no reason to engage you further because I have presented evidences from your Bible and our Qur'an but your lack of intellectual argument is a prove that you have lost this. My advice to you is, please ponder on Nehemiah 8 verses 4 to 6 because this is evidence against you.

Have a nice day buddy.

I will show you the proof that Muhammad died miserably

.'That during his fatal ailment, Allah's Apostle, used to ask his wives, "Where shall I stay tomorrow? Where shall I stay tomorrow?" He was looking forward to 'Aisha's turn. So all his wives allowed him to stay where he wished, and he stayed at 'Aisha's house till he died there.Aisha added: He died on the day of my usual turn at my house. Allah took him unto Him while his head was between my chest and my neck and his saliva was mixed with my saliva.
Sahih Bukhari 7:62:144

Some even said that he died with is erection in place and Aisha was angry that she and the other wives would have bathe him to hide the shame of seeing the so-called prophet of God die during sex and taking his erection to heaven.

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: [...] Aisha used to say: If I had known beforehand about my affair what I found out later, none would have washed him except his wives.
Sunan Abu Dawud 20:3135


Today, Christians say it loud boldly that Christ was crucified for us, he died on the cross to save humanity and rose up the third day.

Can you boldly say that your prophet Muhammad died on top of a woman?

advocatejare:

Your case is irredeemable. You just go in between a chapter and copy without reading from above, do you think that the Bible is haphazardly arranged and meaningless like the Quran?

If you read from the verse 12 of the 1 Kings you quoted above, you will realize that Solomon was only praying to God. It wasn't God that instructed anyone to pray towards the Temple.
You're just as ignorant like Muhammad.

1king 8:12
Then Solomon prayed, “O Lord, you have said that you would live in a thick cloud of darkness.

1king 8:44-45
“If your people go out where you send them to fight their enemies, and if they pray to the Lord by turning toward this city you have chosen and toward this Temple I have built to honor your name,

then hear their prayers from heaven and uphold their cause."

If you read the next chapter, where God later spoke to Solomon, God didn't make any comments of whether Israelites should pray towards the Temple or not. So it was never a command from God.

Why should Solomon's prayer be included in the Bible? Was he speaking as Solomon or as God's anointed?

Are you saying Solomon was not inspired to have said that? You should tell us in plain words which Bible verses are inspired by God and which ones are just mere human thoughts!

advocatejare:

And since you must copy all the foolish things he did, why dont you also pour semen on your clothes like Muhammad did?

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 229:
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it (water spots were still visible).

If one is married this can happen and there's no shame in this.
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I pray you be like Paul or Jesus never getting married till you die! Say Aamin!

advocatejare:

Jesus never commanded us to fast for 40days, Jesus didn't create a cult, he brought salvation, the things he require from us is to live a life of holiness.

We are not foolish people that will be kissing stones or drink camel urine because a demon possessed man asked us to.

We follow Muhammad and we pray as he did!

Why do you sing, clap, dance, screen, etc in Church?

advocatejare:



Muhammad himself was a pagan, an idol worshipper, he was always part of the idolatry practice of the Quarysh, he fasted like them on Mondays, he circumbulated round the Kaaba like they did, he used to go into seclusion like they did, it was during one of those seclusions in the cave of Hira that he got possessed by a jinn.

Muhammad worshipped stones like they did and he retained worshipping of the Blackstone.

It's documented in the Hadiths that Arabs had always been stone worshippers.

Narrated By Abu Raja Al-Utaridi
We used to worship stones, and when we found a better stone than the first one, we would throw the first one and take the latter, but if we could not get a stone then we would collect some earth (i.e. soil) and then bring a sheep and milk that sheep over it, and perform the Tawaf around it. When the month of Rajab came, we used (to stop the military actions), calling this month the iron remover, for we used to remove and throw away the iron parts of every spear and arrow in the month of Rajab. ...
Sahih Bukhari 5:59:661

The Arabs were pagans before the light of Islam embraced them.

But you brought a lie again! Where did you see Muhammad worshipping stones?

It was the narrator and not Muhammad!
May Allah heal you of the demon of telling lies!

AntiChristian:


The Arabs were pagans before the light of Islam embraced them.

But you brought a lie again! Where did you see Muhammad worshipping stones?

It was the narrator and not Muhammad!
May Allah heal you of the demon of telling lies!

It's like you're getting confused by the day.

It was narrated that ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) came to the Black Stone and kissed it, then he said: “I know that you are only a stone which can neither bring benefit nor cause harm. Were it not that I had seen the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) kiss you, I would not have kissed you.”
(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1520; Muslim, 1720)

You were the same that shared that Hadith of how Muhammad was kissing the Blackstone and you're now claiming here again that Muhammad never worshipped the Blackstone.

So the kissing he gave the Blackstone was for what? To have sex with the stone right

AntiChristian:


The Arabs were pagans before the light of Islam embraced them.

But you brought a lie again! Where did you see Muhammad worshipping stones?

It was the narrator and not Muhammad!
May Allah heal you of the demon of telling lies!

It's like you're getting confused by the day.

It was narrated that ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) came to the Black Stone and kissed it, then he said: “I know that you are only a stone which can neither bring benefit nor cause harm. Were it not that I had seen the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) kiss you, I would not have kissed you.”
(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1520; Muslim, 1720)

You were the same that shared that Hadith of how Muhammad was kissing the Blackstone and you're now claiming here again that Muhammad never worshipped the Blackstone.

So the kissing he gave the Blackstone was for what? To have sex with the stone right

Oh you were ashamed to comment on the other point I raised of how Muhammad fasted on Mondays like the pagan and retained the practice and you also kept quiet on how he was always doing seclusion like them and how he got possessed by the jinn that tormented him in the cave of Hira during one of those seclusions.

advocatejare:


It's like you're getting confused by the day.



You were the same that shared that Hadith of how Muhammad was kissing the Blackstone and you're now claiming here again that Muhammad never worshipped the Blackstone.

So the kissing he gave the Blackstone was for what? To have sex with the stone right

Oh you were ashamed to comment on the other point I raised of how Muhammad fasted on Mondays like the pagan and retained the practice and you also kept quiet on how he was always doing seclusion like them and how he got possessed by the jinn that tormented him in the cave of Hira during one of those seclusions.

So when you kiss something you have worshipped it?

AntiChristian:


We follow Muhammad and we pray as he did!

Why do you sing, clap, dance, screen, etc in Church?

Go and ask all your Islamic musicians why they sing and dance too.

Go and ask Qamardeen Ayeloyun, Ibrahim Labaika and AbdulKabir Bukola Alayande who told them to sing and dance for Allah

AntiChristian:


So when you kiss something you have worshipped it?

Go and ask Muhammad that question. Ask him why he was kissing the stone

AntiChristian:


If one is married this can happen and there's no shame in this.

Only a foolish person who knew he was sick and having his aorta cut would still be having sex, for a so called prophet of god for that matter.

You his shameless followers always lie to yourselves that dying doing Hajj or while praying confer you straight ticket to paradise.

But it's a shame that your prophet died while fucking, he remained dirty while in death because he had not yet performed his ceremonial bath and the people that bathed him after his death didn't UnCloth him in order to be able to give him a better bathe as Muhammad himself prescribed for you Muslims, because they didn't want to expose his erect dick.

AntiChristian:


Why should Solomon's prayer be included in the Bible? Was he speaking as Solomon or as God's anointed?

Are you saying Solomon was not inspired to have said that? You should tell us in plain words which Bible verses are inspired by God and which ones are just mere human thoughts!

Maybe should tell me why Abraham's prayer was included in the Quran.




رَبِّ هَبْ لِى مِنَ الصّٰلِحِينَ
"My Lord, grant me [a child] from among the righteous."
(QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 100)

advocatejare:
Today, Christians say it loud boldly that Christ was crucified for us, he died on the cross to save humanity and rose up the third day.

he "died for your sins" but he cried out loud to his father for rescue him Matthew 27:46.

Did that sounds like someone who wanted to die for humanity?. Keep deceiving yourself

advocatejare:
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So try again, the Quran you have today is authored by Zaid bin Thabit and edited by Uthman the third Calipha.

Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction. 4:82



“(This is) revelation of the book in which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds. Or do they say he has forged it? Nay it is the truth from the Lord.” (32:2-3)



Verily We(Allah)! it is We who have revealed the Admonition(Qur'an), and verily We are the guardians thereof. (15: 9)


Where is Zaid bin Thabit mentioned here?

advocatejare:
There is no where in the Nehemiah you quoted where God legislated that that's how people should pray to him.

You're just trying to add to the Word of the Lord to suit your argument and God has cursed people like you who add to his word, he said he will add to your calamities.

throughout your Bible we found this mode of prayer by prophets and messangers watch means this was legislated mode of SALAT


And he (Jesus) went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed..." (Matthew 26:39)



"And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship..." (Joshua 5:14)



"And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they fell upon their faces…" (Numbers 20:6)



"And Abraham fell on his face..." (Genesis 17:3)



"…and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God." (Revelation 7:11)



"…then they bowed their heads and worshiped the Lord with their faces to the ground." (Nehemiah 8:6)

"…Then David and the elders of Israel, who were clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces." (1 Chronicles 21:16)



In many others places in the Bible where we find the method of prayer mentioned, it calls to mind the way Muslims pray. In the Bible book entitled Daniel we are able to read a description of Daniel praying to God in a time of great crisis.



"Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did a foretime." (Daniel 6:10)


It is interesting to note that Prophet Daniel prayed towards Jerusalem. In the early days of Prophet Mohammad’s mission the faithful also prayed towards Jerusalem.

So CHRISTIANs different so called prayers today are nothing but jokes

Empiree:
throughout your Bible we found this mode of prayer by prophets and messangers watch means this was legislated mode of SALAT


And he (Jesus) went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed..." (Matthew 26:39)



"And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship..." (Joshua 5:14)



"And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they fell upon their faces…" (Numbers 20:6)



"And Abraham fell on his face..." (Genesis 17:3)



"…and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God." (Revelation 7:11)



"…then they bowed their heads and worshiped the Lord with their faces to the ground." (Nehemiah 8:6)

"…Then David and the elders of Israel, who were clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces." (1 Chronicles 21:16)



In many others places in the Bible where we find the method of prayer mentioned, it calls to mind the way Muslims pray. In the Bible book entitled Daniel we are able to read a description of Daniel praying to God in a time of great crisis.



"Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did a foretime." (Daniel 6:10)


It is interesting to note that Prophet Daniel prayed towards Jerusalem. In the early days of Prophet Mohammad’s mission the faithful also prayed towards Jerusalem.

So CHRISTIANs different so called prayers today are nothing but jokes

You're a joker, before I answer you clarify the false claim you made earlier that God legislated the way Ezra prayed.

If you can't show me where God legislated it in the Bible, then it means you invented it and God had already cursed people like you that add to his words