kabe1:


It it carries out close air support for ground troops it is an attack helicopter.

jl115:
ever heard of the dunning kruger effect?

kabe1:

Ever heard the NAF designates the A-109K as an attack helicopter?

jl115:

Look at the AH6.... It has flir, targeting systems, Hmd...... It was designed primarily for Attack roles from the get go.... Even if you look at the secondary roles: "Light Attack, Precision Attack, Anti-armor, Close Combat Attacks, Reconnaissance, Security & Escort, Troop Insertion/Extraction, Combat Search & Rescue" ..... Except for troop insertion, all the other roles are also fulfilled by dedicated AHs.

On the other hand the A109 was never designed with the primary role of being an attack helicopter like the Ah6.

jl115:
Apparently not

Jimi24:


On the contrary, the A109CM/K/M was the first Euro effort at an attack helicopter. The succedent effort A129 Mangusta was not even successful although it has the aggressive lines and profile that some of you guys might want in an AH.

Your arguments are not tenable.
Service defines the designation and the A109s meant for attack actually have enhancements to achieve that role.
EO/IR
Targeting systems
Data comms
Some armouring inserts for cockpit.

Lets talk about C130 transport aircraft.

Americans converted it to a highly lethal gunship for use by Special Forces.
It carries a high rate of fire 105mm howitzer. High caliber, super accurate shelling from 10,000ft.
Nobody calls that aircraft a C130 transport.
It is NOT a C130 transport.
It is an area denial/ precision targeting special mission platform of impressive capabilities. They needed to have enhanced the airframe structure, cut off large sections of fuselage, loaded the aircraft with sensors and so many other things. Thats not C130 anymore and they rightfully dont even call it that

jl115:
you know what never mind I'm tired of explaining myself to ignorant people

kabe1:

Like yourself.

jl115:
if you haven't noticed you and jimi are the only people calling it an AH.....

The rest tried to help you, but I guess they are ignorant as well

jl115:

The person who wrote the article sounds dumb..........Xbee007 is 100% correct, your Mi35 are AHs not A109s...........honestly Bro, A109s are good helicopters and a great addition to your Air Force........Nobody is bashing them, it just you, that wants to hold on to this false narrative that they are AHs

Xbee007:

I have read articles from popular news platforms where journalist referred to the Alpha Jet as an aircraft that travels at the speed of light.

Kabe1 enjoys pointless arguments because I don't understand why anyone would call a utility helicopter an attack helicopter.

MI-17 and Sikorsky UH-60 Black Hawk are helicopters that pack more ordinance than A109 yet they are still officially referred to as utility helicopters. But facts don't matter to Kabe1.

kabe1:


If a helicopter provides close air support it is an attack helicopter.

Xbee007:

I have read articles from popular news platforms where journalist referred to the Alpha Jet as an aircraft that travels at the speed of light.

Kabe1 enjoys pointless arguments because I don't understand why anyone would call a utility helicopter an attack helicopter.

MI-17 and Sikorsky UH-60 Black Hawk are helicopters that pack more ordinance than A109 yet they are still officially referred to as utility helicopters. But facts don't matter to Kabe1.

Jimi24:


Kindly tell if there are any special distinguishing features of an AH compared to an ordinary chopper.
NONE.
Some say the thinner profile of AH64 compared with Sikorsky UH-60 Blackhawks making them harder to shoot down BUT the MI 24s and MI 35s dont have thin profile.

Agility, A109s may be faster and agile than MI 35s. In fact MI 24s used to get shot down easily Stringer missiles.

As far as I am concerned A109K is a counter insurgency class ATTACK HELICOPTER.
I wont send it out against Algerian armour but it will destroy Boko Haram gun trucks and unhardened bunkers

Jimi24:


Kindly tell if there are any special distinguishing features of an AH compared to an ordinary chopper.
NONE.

kabe1:

This is the primary role of this aircraft.

You too dull.

Jimi24:


Kindly tell if there are any special distinguishing features of an AH compared to an ordinary chopper.
NONE.

Jimi24:


As far as I am concerned A109K is a counter insurgency class ATTACK HELICOPTER.
I wont send it out against Algerian armour but it will destroy Boko Haram gun trucks and unhardened bunkers

kabe1:

They are attack helicopters.

Odunayaw:
You deduced this how?

jl115:
I guess our Oryx are also attack helicopters now.....

dragon2:


LoL,you killed your own argument.look at the description in the picture,I have circled it for you .Tell us what it says.
You MUST tell us.

jl115:

Look at the discription again

dragon2:

What is encircled?

jl115:

Read the last sentence

dragon2:

Stop trying to sound wise,what matters is the description of the platform.The supa puma became the oryx and was described as as ............. You answer that.

jl115:
just read the last sentence bro what does it say?

dragon2:


This became the first orynx. So?

jl115:
Exactly and what became our attack helicopter?

dragon2:


You still don't know what an attack helicopter is. It is in the designation not the name. If a helicopter is designated in the attack role that is what it is,not if future adaptations were made.At the time of the picture it was designated as an attack helicopter which means it could fulfill the role. Speed,manoeuvrability, armour,night/stand-off capability, anti-armour or otherwise are add-ons.
Your own people told you that the helicopter in the picture is an attack helicopter at the time and you are trying hard to deny it. SAD.