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Re: . by okpalaAnambra: 6:52pm On Feb 01, 2020
Afam4eva:

I mostly agree with your assertion. But I hope you know that as you came Igbo was an artificial creation which I agree with, so is your NGWA, NKANU and most of the Igbo sub-groups that we know today. It's a slippery slope.
If some group of people will say they're more Igbo than others(even when we know different groups existed differently),and migrated from different places and that's why I don't believe there is a single spot of migration people claim esp the NRI crap, it is more of a political grandstanding..So are different sub-igbo groups have right to say whether they're Igbo or not..is so simple
Re: . by Nobody: 6:53pm On Feb 01, 2020
okpalaAnambra:
Yes you're people are well to do in the bush cheesy grin grin

Alright,. even in wider bush with edifice.
Just help Chinenye your brother because I can't help him...
Case closed.

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Re: . by okpalaAnambra: 6:54pm On Feb 01, 2020
ChinenyeN:


You're trying to tell the narrative of a context that did not apply. Igbo identity was borne from the Biafran war, plain and simple. There was no "Igbo people" until Europeans created "Igbo people", and then "Igbo people" (post-Biafra) came to cement that and adopt it for themselves, but an all-encompassing blanket did not exist.
You're right again...Igbo is mostly a post- war something after the Biafran war...even though the British found similar groups
Re: . by okpalaAnambra: 6:56pm On Feb 01, 2020
MelesZenawi:



Alright,. even in wider bush with edifice.

Just help Chinenye your brother because I can't help him...

Case closed.
You're not supposed to talk in Igbo affairs..yes chinenye is my brother from Abia while I'm from Nnewi..so why are you pained
Re: . by Nobody: 6:56pm On Feb 01, 2020
okpalaAnambra:

Well I will agree with u here,..If some group of people will say they're more Igbo than others(even when we know different groups existed differently),and migrated from different places and that's why I don't believe there is a single spot of migration people claim esp the NRI crap, it is more of a political grandstanding..So are different sub-igbo groups have right to say whether they're Igbo or not..is so simple


Lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Always throwing missiles at anambra....lolzz

You're not different from ChinenyeN.

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Re: . by Nobody: 6:58pm On Feb 01, 2020
okpalaAnambra:

You're not supposed to talk in Igbo affairs..yes chinenye is my brother from Abia while I'm from Nnewi..so why are you pained


Lolzzzzzzzzzz. Are you serious with this claim.

Anyway no time, no be today you started this outrageous claims.

Ndi Abia Ekene mu unu..

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Re: . by okpalaAnambra: 7:45pm On Feb 01, 2020
Igbo bu Igbo
Anambra kwenu
Imo kwenu
Ebonyi kwenu
Abia kwenu
Enugu kwenu
Anioma kwenu
Ikwerre kwenu
Igbanke kwenu
Benue Igbos kwenu
Cross River Igbos kwenu
Akwa Ibom Igbos kwenu
Kogi Igbos kwenu

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Re: . by Abia1stboy: 8:02pm On Feb 01, 2020
NRI bu Isi igbo. I am from Abia state and I approve this message.

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Re: . by NaijirianKing: 8:03pm On Feb 01, 2020
Interesting.

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Re: . by NaijirianKing: 8:09pm On Feb 01, 2020
Interesting.

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Re: . by NaijirianKing: 8:11pm On Feb 01, 2020
Interesting.

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Re: . by NaijirianKing: 8:13pm On Feb 01, 2020
Interesting.

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Re: . by NaijirianKing: 8:17pm On Feb 01, 2020
Interesting.

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Re: . by Nobody: 8:20pm On Feb 01, 2020
The thread is becoming something else. I still repeat that nairaland is an avenue where bitter people thrive. People who should take their bitterness to their villages and get solutions arw venting it on innocent forumites.

Chinenye go and consult your clan men and stop dissipating your energy here. The wasted efforts you've spent since the past 10 years may have been productive offline. Form a consensus amongst your people and send your request to your brother Abaribe and Ikepeazu. Let them sponsor a bill that would create a new ethnic identity for your people.

This is a discussion thread is for Ndigbo, whose focus is to foster unity and economic development in Alaigbo. Please open your own thread and promote your divisive agenda there.

And Pazienza please, stop quoting Chinenye. Let him take his agenda to his people and stop disturbing our ears here biko.

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Re: . by NaijirianKing: 8:29pm On Feb 01, 2020
Interesting.

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Re: . by horsepower102: 8:38pm On Feb 01, 2020
UdechiHD:
The thread is becoming something else. I still repeat that nairaland is an avenue where bitter people thrive. People who should take their bitterness to their villages and get solutions arw venting it on innocent forumites.

Chinenye go and consult your clan men and stop dissipating your energy here. The wasted efforts you've spent since the past 10 years may have been productive offline. Form a consensus amongst your people and send your request to your brother Abaribe and Ikepeazu. Let them sponsor a bill that would create a new ethnic identity for your people.

This is a discussion thread is for Ndigbo, whose focus is to foster unity and economic development in Alaigbo. Please open your own thread and promote your divisive agenda there.

And Pazienza please, stop quoting Chinenye. Let him take his agenda to his people and stop disturbing our ears here biko.

Such characters thrive on Nairaland because of the anonymity it protects. I have over the years learnt not to take people’s anti-igbo unity comments too seriously. On Nairaland, you and I can pretend to be anyone we want to be.

Also, Nairaland gives a Microphone and loud speakers to extreme minority voices. Thereby making it look like their views are mainstream.

In the past, I was a big advocate of igbos leaving Nairaland to create their own space so we can have very progressive and productive conversations. BUT the problem with that idea is who is going to fight against all the lies and propaganda agains igbos in this site when we all leave?

My ideal scenario is that igbos maintain strong presence on Nairaland but also have our own separate forum where we can discuss our issues in peace and come up with solutions for them.

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Re: . by ChinenyeN(m): 8:49pm On Feb 01, 2020
NaijirianKing:
This is untrue.

Igbo language has been around for at least 2,000 years. The language was distinct and belonged to a distinct group. That group of people who spoke Igbo were and are the Igbo people. That's where your theory fails.

What you just stated is not factually based, nor is it historically based. That's like saying Abians didn't exist until the Naijirian state created Abia State.

No, it isn't. You are still conflating the two. What I am saying is not the same as the statement in the bold. There is a subtle but relevant difference. That a human population exists for a millennia is separate from how their self-identity and affiliations morph and change over that millennia. That is the difference between saying that there was no Abia people until the state was demarcated. Now, “Onye Abia” is an identity and affiliation that we acknowledge. We don’t identify Abia as an ethnic group per se, because we still acknowledge the individual identities within it and we are all alive to witness how Abia was arbitrarily created, but given the right conditions and another millennia, there could very well be an alternate timeline in which Abia develops into a separate ethnic identity of its own.

That is the statement I am making. There are conditions and changes created an Igbo identity for a people that already existed without such identity just a hundred years ago. As a consequence, there were no “Igbo people” until Europeans created them, though the people now identified as “Igbo” have since existed in their present locals.

If you do not understand this subtle, but relevant difference, then you will never understand the agency that people are seeking. This is what the entire “Igbo vs not Igbo” truly boils down to, and this is what will make it difficult for you to truly succeed in coercing your code on others.
Re: . by ChinenyeN(m): 8:54pm On Feb 01, 2020
UdechiHD, you are dense if you have not yet realized that I am also here to contribute to the topics of Igbo people’s destiny. I have spent the past decade contributing. There is not a single soul here that can deny me of that.

This is the second time in this thread that you have tried this nonsense of downplaying my involvement for Igbo here on NL, because I do not share your fanatical zeal for "Igbo Unity", UdechiHD. Igbo people like you disgust me when you resort to reactionary, low-balling tactics like this. It's a clear sign of hate and irrationality.
Re: . by Nobody: 9:24pm On Feb 01, 2020
NaijirianKing:



No, we need his theory to be on full display, and we need to show others where it fails. So that they will not be confused if they ever run into such nonsense.

Also, he is now more educated on a topic he may not have known. We need to kill these false narratives from the inception.

Otherwise, we may wake up with Ikwere people claiming that they migrated from Benin today, and tomorrow we may hear that they actually migrated from Fouto Djallon.
I understand. But the problem is that nobody seems to be taking his quest serious. All my life, I have never seen an Ngwa man seek to break away from the larger Igbo identity. Of course, certain issues may arise amongst them and their neighbours, but they know how to settle these problems amicably.

Chinenye relentlessness really amuses me. He appears a lone man fighting a lost cause. And to imagine his persistence despite more than a decade amuses me more.

I used to know of one Solomon Omojie who was quite vocal about Ika separation from Ndigbo and kinship with Benin. And it happened that despite all his noise, he got frustrated and took his fight to Facebook. Now, he has manage to team up with other Edophilic Ika's in both Ika world and Anioma voice to carry out a more brutal onslaught there. The same applies to Lauretta Onochie who was an Igbophobic personae in several fora. She too joined others to continue the onslaught in Anioma voice and has continued to show such animosity in an higher platform as an aide to President Buhari.

I have come to understand that some persons derive joy in blaming Igbo's for their woes. Entities who should look deep into their individual limitations or clans failings usually cast their inferiority complex on the larger Igbo family.

The Ikwerre for instance blamed Ndigbo for so many atrocities after the civil war. They finally got their ethnic status borne out of Igbo hate. But today, the reverse seems to be the case.
1. Laziness didn't stop in their land.
2. They accused Ndigbo for dominating Port Harcourt politics. But since they tastes power, they've shown their true colours. Greediness with power is an understatement and if they have the opportunity, they'll chase other ethnic group out of the state.
3. They accused Ndigbo for imposing the central Igbo on them. They later went on to impose a single dialect on the all the clans that makes up what is now the Ikwerre nation. But today, some clans are fighting against that imposition while maintaining their uniqueness, some groups such as the Ogbakiri are even going as far as claiming kinship with the Ijaw while trying to break away from them.

Take a look also at the Ukwuani's. Many thought that by antagonizing the larger Igbo that their ethnic status would be cemented. The Ndokwa ethnic nation was floated, but rather than give them the much touted freedom, it has fragmented them, with some groups such as the Aboh's disassociating from that agenda and firming their own ethnicity Ndosimili.

There is something being Igbo that most people don't realize. It transcends the physical and is deep rooted in the supernatural. Those who intend to tear us apart will have both the living and the dead to contend with, peace will always elude them. And as someone said, Ndigbo needs to limit the ethnic status to only a few trusted clans or groups.

It's high time we restrict this identity to a few clans who have overtime shown undying patriotism and sacrifice to the Igbo identity. Let us form this new Igbo nation amongst these few groups and build a stronger ethnicity amongst us and become a force to be reckoned similar to something as the pre-civil war. I assure you that these denials will come begging on their knees. And any group who have collectively in one time in the past disavowed their Igboness, either in print or broadcast will be chastised and pushed away.

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Re: . by NaijirianKing: 9:32pm On Feb 01, 2020
Interesting.

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Re: . by NaijirianKing: 9:36pm On Feb 01, 2020
Interesting.

Re: . by ChinenyeN(m): 9:40pm On Feb 01, 2020
No, I have not been disproved. Rather, people like you, NaijirianKing insist on an agenda of hostility that attempts to deny others of agency. You want to create your empowerment against so much friction. If nothing else, my words are entirely pragmatic, based on history and the actual context we face today. We need progress with as little friction as possible, rather than the wasted energy some of you want to expend.
Re: . by horsepower102: 9:44pm On Feb 01, 2020
UdechiHD:
I understand. But the problem is that nobody seems to be taking his quest serious. All my life, I have never seen an Ngwa man seek to break away from the larger Igbo identity. Of course, certain issues may arise amongst them and their neighbours, but they know how to settle these problems amicably.

Chinenye relentlessness really amuses me. He appears a lone man fighting a lost cause. And to imagine his persistence despite more than a decade amuses me more.

I used to know of one Solomon Omojie who was quite vocal about Ika separation from Ndigbo and kinship with Benin. And it happened that despite all his noise, he got frustrated and took his fight to Facebook. Now, he has manage to team up with other Edophilic Ika's in both Ika world and Anioma voice to carry out a more brutal onslaught there. The same applies to Lauretta Onochie who was an Igbophobic personae in several fora. She too joined others to continue the onslaught in Anioma voice and has continued to show such animosity in an higher platform as an aide to President Buhari.

I have come to understand that some persons derive joy in blaming Igbo's for their woes. Entities who should look deep into their individual limitations or clans failings usually cast their inferiority complex on the larger Igbo family.

The Ikwerre for instance blamed Ndigbo for so many atrocities after the civil war. They finally got their ethnic status borne out of Igbo hate. But today, the reverse seems to be the case.
1. Laziness didn't stop in their land.
2. They accused Ndigbo for dominating Port Harcourt politics. But since they tastes power, they've shown their true colours. Greediness with power is an understatement and if they have the opportunity, they'll chase other ethnic group out of the state.
3. They accused Ndigbo for imposing the central Igbo on them. They later went on to impose a single dialect on the all the clans that makes up what is now the Ikwerre nation. But today, some clans are fighting against that imposition while maintaining their uniqueness, some groups such as the Ogbakiri are even going as far as claiming kinship with the Ijaw while trying to break away from them.

Take a look also at the Ukwuani's. Many thought that by antagonizing the larger Igbo that their ethnic status would be cemented. The Ndokwa ethnic nation was floated, but rather than give them the much touted freedom, it has fragmented them, with some groups such as the Aboh's disassociating from that agenda and firming their own ethnicity Ndosimili.

There is something being Igbo that most people don't realize. It transcends the physical and is deep rooted in the supernatural. Those who intend to tear us apart will have both the living and the dead to contend with, peace will always elude them. And as someone said, Ndigbo needs to limit the ethnic status to only a few trusted clans or groups.

It's high time we restrict this identity to a few clans who have overtime shown undying patriotism and sacrifice to the Igbo identity. Let us form this new Igbo nation amongst these few groups and build a stronger ethnicity amongst us and become a force to be reckoned similar to something as the pre-civil war. I assure you that these denials will come begging on their knees. And any group who have collectively in one time in the past disavowed their Igboness, either in print or broadcast will be chastised and pushed away.

Hats off to you. This is a beautiful piece capturing the dangerous situations these denialists are putting themselves and future generations.

Some idiots just think that by separating from the main group, their own group will remain together.

Just watch out what will happen to these groups in the coming years. One day, they will find themselves in a situation where each village becomes its own tribe.

Igbophobia is a disease.

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Re: . by topboss1: 9:44pm On Feb 01, 2020
ChinenyeN:
No, I have not been disproved. Rather, people like you, NaijirianKing insist on an agenda of hostility that attempts to deny others of agency. You want to create your empowerment against so much friction. If nothing else, my words are entirely pragmatic, based on history and the actual context we face today. We need progress with as little friction as possible, rather than the wasted energy some of you want to expend.


u are diaappointing Ndi Abia like Nnamdi Kanu that will sacrifice everybody for Igbo.


calm down


Mr Raw Nwa Abia





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxg-zO7ta8E

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Re: . by ChinenyeN(m): 9:46pm On Feb 01, 2020
topboss1:



u are diaappointing Ndi Abia like Nnamdi Kanu that will sacrifice everybody for Igbo.


calm down


Mr Raw Nwa Abia





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxg-zO7ta8E

I have no respect for Kanu. Mentioning his name does not make me all of a sudden sorry for my words.
Re: . by topboss1: 9:47pm On Feb 01, 2020
ChinenyeN:


I have no respect for Kanu. Mentioning his name does not make me all of a sudden sorry for my words.


Mr Raw Nkwanu


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFDKuRNgkaQ

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Re: . by topboss1: 9:48pm On Feb 01, 2020
ChinenyeNwa respect the culture we share together.

Is it a bad thing to have Nwanne?
Re: . by ChinenyeN(m): 9:48pm On Feb 01, 2020
topboss1:



Mr Raw Nkwanu


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFDKuRNgkaQ

Raw does not inspire me. So no. I have no reason to feel sorry for my words at the mention of his name.
Re: . by topboss1: 9:49pm On Feb 01, 2020
ChinenyeN:


Raw does not inspire me. So no. I have no reason to feel sorry for my words at the mention of his name.


u are disrespecting Nwa Abia


people all about the igbo culture, be very careful, take your time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3daQJ1C59VM

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Re: . by ChinenyeN(m): 9:51pm On Feb 01, 2020
topboss1:
ChinenyeNwa respect the culture we share together.

Is it a bad thing to have Nwanne?

Notice, not once did I disrespect Igbo as a culture. If anything, I am in support of people acknowledging that Igbo is a legitimate identity and people. But you people want to deny others of agency based off propagandist heritage. That is where my disagreement lies.
Re: . by topboss1: 9:51pm On Feb 01, 2020

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Re: . by ChinenyeN(m): 9:51pm On Feb 01, 2020
topboss1:



u are disrespecting Nwa Abia


people all about the igbo culture, be very careful, take your time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3daQJ1C59VM

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