Tjayjosh:

These are "Fables and endless genealogies." All I can deduce is a lengthy write up with no scriptural backup, filled with inaccuracies. Going by what you have written so far, 1 Thessalonians 4: 17, and 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 does not hold water and has no significance whatsoever. The word "rapture" was never found in Scriptures, but however, the Latin word raptu, which means "caught away" or "caught up" is equivalent and refers to an event which must occur. The "caught up" and the second coming are similar but separate events. At the former, The Lord comes in the cloud to meet believers in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17), and this event will occur before the tribulation and the great tribulation respectively, and at the latter (The second coming), The Lord descends all the way to the earth to stand on the mount of olives resulting in a great earthquake (Zechariah 14:3-4 and Mathew 24:15-30). The second coming will end the tribulation and the great tribulation. These are the sequence of the events that will occur.

Gent:
Let me not be selfish, I`ll post mine.

Experience 1.

My strange experiences started...

Gent:
Let me not be selfish, I`ll post mine.

Experience (Testimony) 1.

My strange experiences started when I was in Primary 3. Many nights while sleeping, I would experience an unseen force pressing me down to my bed, can`t move any part of my body, the only thing I could do then was to control my eyes and breath. This experience never left me, I always had it in many nights. Doesn`t matter whether I was at home, school, company accommodation, or anywhere else. I noticed that the force, likely demonic, was more prominent whenever I`m living in SIN. Anytime I`m close to Jesus Christ, especially been strong in prayer, I`m protected. At times, the demonic force is so strong that even during the day, I experience it in my sleep. But I have never seen strange things like shadows, spirits, etc during the activity.
About 6 months ago, something happened in my company apartment that put an end to this rubbish. In my room, one end of the bed is close to the wall, with time, I noticed that whenever I sleep at that end of the bed, I MUST BE PRESSED in my sleep. Hence, I always avoided that part, and I got some respite, at least to an extent. Then on this fateful night, that demonic force pressed me, and consequently, I was highly provoked and couldn`t wait for the next night to come, so that we will know who is who.
Before I conclude experience 1, let me mention certain things I found out about this demonic force, at least, by my calculation, I have been under its power for about 40 years, so I know one or two things about it. The power it exerts on its victims is strongest when

a. when u are sleeping at night.
b. when u are sleeping alone.
c. Sleeping with your back on the bed and your face facing the ceiling, i.e. facing up.
d. absolute silence in the room.
e. room lights off, thus dark room. etc.

On the fateful night, I personally invited this demonic power for a show, then I was really very angry with it. Then, I was alone in my room at my company apartment. Though I couldn`t see the power or its source, just before sleeping for the night, I told the evil force that I will create a conducive environment that will maximize its power, like

a. sleeping on the part of the bed close to the wall.
b. sleep while facing up.
c. ensuring that both the room lights and outside lights are off.
d. ensuring there is absolute silence in the room by making certain the TV, radio, etc are off. etc.

I spoke to the power, I said after making the room okay for its operation, I invite it to press me. I told it that if it succeeds, then it means the God I worship, Jesus Christ my Lord and the Holy Spirit are powerless. Then I made the room very conducive for its operation, and slept. My brother and sister, since then till now which is a period of about 6 months, that demonic force don pick race, I never experience it again. It doesn`t matter whether my room is conducive or not for its operation, I`m free! Appreciation to God for its intervention.

Tomorrow, or next tomorrow, will publish Experience 2. God bless us all.

elated177:
CharlyG1, Nnamdiosu, etc, could you assist with the interpretation of this?



A man looks at a tree about 100ft away and says in his heart he wants the branches of the tree to move. He raises his hand, sways to left and the branches of the tree sway to the left. He sways to the right and the branches do the same. He stops and brings down his hand and the tree branches stop swaying.

What do you all have to say about this?

CharlyG1:


A man who imagines or dreams this, is a wizard. Whether he knows it or not. The power of control (witchcraft) whatsoever does not come from God. Whether it's the manipulative control of people (like Jezebel), or using magic on various things and objects. It's not from God. It's the superhuman stuff that belongs to the doctrine of demons i.e Dr Strange, Superman, etc.


And if a man imagines himself constantly trying to be like this "Dr Strange personality", then he is messing with occult spirits and he's in darkness already.

elated177:


I wonder why it took you this long to reply.
What if an individual actually has the ability to do this in real life?

CharlyG1:


I am really sorry I took so long to reply you and some others who contacted me via mails and others that will still send me mails. Maybe it's because I have other things to attend to now and then, and I can't do everything at the same time, after all I'm human.

So to answer your other question, the only people that will be able to do such things are "Witches" and "Wizards" by the use of diabolical powers.


That goes back to my previous answer that such abilities come only from Satan and demons. God don't give powers to control things. He blesses His children with spiritual gifts for the advancement of His kingdom here on earth and He puts His Spirit in His children to help them overcome all the wiles and powers of darkness.

I hope I have answered your question sir.
Thank you.

elated177:


I will get back to this. Let me suspend it for now.

Let's look at the issue involving chelseafan99, I can use his monicker now that he has replied, what did he say in that thread that made you and the other guys classify his experiences as demonic? I have asked the question already. Didn't you see it?

CharlyG1:


A man who imagines or dreams this, is a wizard. Whether he knows it or not. The power of control (witchcraft) whatsoever does not come from God. Whether it's the manipulative control of people (like Jezebel), or using magic on various things and objects. It's not from God. It's the superhuman stuff that belongs to the doctrine of demons i.e Dr Strange, Superman, etc.


And if a man imagines himself constantly trying to be like this "Dr Strange personality", then he is messing with occult spirits and he's in darkness already.

elated177:
CharlyG1, Nnamdiosu, etc, could you assist with the interpretation of this?

A man looks at a tree about 100ft away and says in his heart he wants the branches of the tree to move. He raises his hand, sways to left and the branches of the tree sway to the left. He sways to the right and the branches do the same. He stops and brings down his hand and the tree branches stop swaying.

What do you all have to say about this?

nnamdiosu:
Hi.
This is so incomplete.. First we dont know if it'd a dream, trance or vision.
Secondly....we dont know the beginning or ending of the dream.

By itself, we can't know the interpretation unless the holy spirit aids us.
Try retelling it again, and explain every single detail.

Thanks sir

elated177:
Let's say a person saw himself/herself doing so in the dream.

nnamdiosu:
You still need to explain all that transpired before and after that in the dream

Also how did you feel when you woke up? Happy, sad, indifferent?

elated177:
It appears you are having a difficult time grasping the whole thing. Is that the case? If so, you can let it go.

There is nothing more to add to what was described above. Let's suspend this for now.

I have read only a few pages of this thread.
I don't really give too much attention to dreams and their interpretations. Don't get me wrong, not saying that they are not important.

Let me draw your attention to page seventy-five (75) of this thread. The issue you people handled there and how you handled it attracted my attention. I guess I kinda followed the thread where it was raised to this one. I don't actually know if what the young man, I suppose he is a youngman, shared there was about himself or someone else.

What did the youngman say there that made you people classify it as demonic?

Can we revisit the issue, if you don't mind?

CharlyG1, sonofthunder.

elated177:
CharlyG1, Nnamdiosu, sonofthunder, I am still waiting for your responses.

CharlyG1:
A man who imagines or dreams this, is a wizard. Whether he knows it or not. The power of control (witchcraft) whatsoever does not come from God. Whether it's the manipulative control of people (like Jezebel), or using magic on various things and objects. It's not from God. It's the superhuman stuff that belongs to the doctrine of demons i.e Dr Strange, Superman, etc.

And if a man imagines himself constantly trying to be like this "Dr Strange personality", then he is messing with occult spirits and he's in darkness already.

elated177:
I wonder why it took you this long to reply.
What if an individual actually has the ability to do this in real life?

CharlyG1:
I am really sorry I took so long to reply you and some others who contacted me via mails and others that will still send me mails. Maybe it's because I have other things to attend to now and then, and I can't do everything at the same time, after all I'm human.

So to answer your other question, the only people that will be able to do such things are "Witches" and "Wizards" by the use of diabolical powers.

That goes back to my previous answer that such abilities come only from Satan and demons. God don't give powers to control things. He blesses His children with spiritual gifts for the advancement of His kingdom here on earth and He puts His Spirit in His children to help them overcome all the wiles and powers of darkness.

I hope I have answered your question sir.
Thank you.

elated177:
I will get back to this. Let me suspend it for now.

Let's look at the issue involving chelseafan99, I can use his monicker now that he has replied, what did he say in that thread that made you and the other guys classify his experiences as demonic? I have asked the question already. Didn't you see it?

Finallydead:
Sir, my little contribution about your dream is to say not every dream is a parable that requires interpretation. Some dreams are simply a projection or anatomy into your spiritman, and most times your soul.

This is one of the functions of God's Logos light in the believer(Heb4:12). If the believer is sanctified and well severed from his Adamic foundation. Then what you've described here maybe dormant resident power's in your spirit (psychokinesis) which may or may not manifest in your physical universe depending on your maturity in Christlike love and reaching the point of sonship, as well as God's sovereign will for you. Yet in the course of the Logos light inspection of your spirit, it may simply observe this residual ability in the spirit.

This may be the case of your dream, but still depends on the witness in your spirit at the time of the dream to tell you the source of this dream and your discernment to tell you the kind of spirit (whether witchcraft) behind it. Regardless of the case, it is never wisdom to focus on any such things than simple perfecting the love of God and development of holy faith. God bless.

CharlyG1:


A man who imagines or dreams this, is a wizard. Whether he knows it or not. The power of control (witchcraft) whatsoever does not come from God. Whether it's the manipulative control of people (like Jezebel), or using magic on various things and objects. It's not from God. It's the superhuman stuff that belongs to the doctrine of demons i.e Dr Strange, Superman, etc.


And if a man imagines himself constantly trying to be like this "Dr Strange personality", then he is messing with occult spirits and he's in darkness already.

elated177:


I will get back to this. Let me suspend it for now.

Let's look at the issue involving chelseafan99, I can use his monicker now that he has replied, what did he say in that thread that made you and the other guys classify his experiences as demonic? I have asked the question already. Didn't you see it?

elated177:



This was not a dream, trance or vision. It was not an imagination. This was a real life event featuring the power of YHVH Almighty.

The power of what control? How did Jezebel factor into this. The case of Jezebel, as portrayed in the Scriptures, is clearly different from this issue. Superman stuff? So if Dr Strange or Superman actually existed in real life you would ascribe his power to Satan? Hilarious!

A man who imagines himself doing what Dr Strange or Superman did is messing with the occult? Really! Ludicrous! If occultism had such power to give, many occultists in this world would have acquired or achieved it. Again, if Satan actually had such power, the power to do what Dr Strange or Superman did, many of his servants, especially the numerous witches in this country, would have acquired such power. Besides, I don't even know why you dragged Dr Strange and Superman into this issue.

I doubt if you can actually differentiate between occult spirit and the Spirit of YHVH Almighty.

elated177:
This was not a dream, trance or vision. It was not an imagination. This was a real life event featuring the power of YHVH Almighty.

The power of what control? How did Jezebel factor into this. The case of Jezebel, as portrayed in the Scriptures, is clearly different from this issue. Superman stuff? So if Dr Strange or Superman actually existed in real life you would ascribe his power to Satan? Hilarious!

A man who imagines himself doing what Dr Strange or Superman did is messing with the occult? Really! Ludicrous! If occultism had such power to give, many occultists in this world would have acquired or achieved it. Again, if Satan actually had such power, the power to do what Dr Strange or Superman did, many of his servants, especially the numerous witches in this country, would have acquired such power. Besides, I don't even know why you dragged Dr Strange and Superman into this issue.

I doubt if you can actually differentiate between occult spirit and the Spirit of YHVH Almighty.

CharlyG1:
I thought you were just ignorant. Now I see that you're more foolish than I could imagine.
So this power you talk of was given to you by God to make trees move and dance around? Well done sir. You are too powerful. So Dr Strange is not from the occult? You haven't seen the occultic symbologies Dr Strange uses when he invokes those powers? So you think all these superheroe stuff you see on TV is just for entertainment? You don't know they're inspired by the occultic powers behind Hollywood who worship these spirits as gods (superheroes).


I guess you don't believe that the so called "Spiderman" is infact a real demon. You don't know the scriptures nor do you research.

Demons regard themselves as "Superheroes", "Men of renown" even as said in the Bible. And during deliverances, many demons will boast about who they are and what they can do.

Continue moving objects with your mind or hands. I respect you so much because you are so powerful.

Continue with your foolishness until you enter into the depths of the snare of the enemy. Only God can save you.

I have no more advice for you.

And don't stirr any more issues here, and that's a warning!

CharlyG1:


I am really sorry I took so long to reply you and some others who contacted me via mails and others that will still send me mails. Maybe it's because I have other things to attend to now and then, and I can't do everything at the same time, after all I'm human.

So to answer your other question, the only people that will be able to do such things are "Witches" and "Wizards" by the use of diabolical powers.


That goes back to my previous answer that such abilities come only from Satan and demons. God don't give powers to control things. He blesses His children with spiritual gifts for the advancement of His kingdom here on earth and He puts His Spirit in His children to help them overcome all the wiles and powers of darkness.

I hope I have answered your question sir.
Thank you.

elated177:
Please, quit with the "sir" and false humility. I don't have time for such.

Finallydead:

Sir, my little contribution about your dream is to say not every dream is a parable that requires interpretation. Some dreams are simply a projection or anatomy into your spiritman, and most times your soul. This is one of the functions of God's Logos light in the believer(Heb4:12). If the believer is sanctified and well severed from his Adamic foundation. Then what you've described here maybe dormant resident power's in your spirit (psychokinesis) which may or may not manifest in your physical universe depending on your maturity in Christlike love and reaching the point of sonship, as well as God's sovereign will for you. Yet in the course of the Logos light inspection of your spirit, it may simply observe this residual ability in the spirit. This may be the case of your dream, but still depends on the witness in your spirit at the time of the dream to tell you the source of this dream and your discernment to tell you the kind of spirit(whether witchcraft) behind it. Regardless of the case, it is never wisdom to focus on any such things than simple perfecting the love of God and development of holy faith. God bless.

MuttleyLaff:
What I would say about something like this is to start with first asking probing questions like:
1/ Why does he want the branches of the tree to move?
2/ What is he trying to prove by wanting and/or getting the branches of the tree to move.?
3/ Is he that vain, he just has to get the branches of the tree to move ni?
4/ What's the benefit, whats he to gain from having the branches of the tree to move?
5/ To what purposes does he want to have the branches of the tree to move?
6/ What power is influencing him to want to have the branches of the tree to move?

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https://www.nairaland.com/2705292/seeing-demons-angels-fallen-angels/74#43080656
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by Chelseafan99: 11:50pm On Feb 19, 2016

Correct me if I am wrong elated177, but the above link is the written or spoken statement of Chelseafan99 you're referring to, hmm?
C'mon now elated177, when pesin dey cry, pesin still sabi see ground for road now. Chelseafan99 admitted to a chequered life of frequent and regular visits to to native doctors and the likes. He admitted that occultism is a tradition in his family, even revealed that his grand father was the chief native doctor in their village.

elated177, the writing is all over on the wall now, and showing clear signs that Chelseafan99 has so long pried and stared into darkness, that darkness too, has decided to turn round and stare back at Chelseafan99, lol.

Only God can help Chelseafan99, to show him light to beam at the darkness and defy darkness with the light. If there's no one around to hand over a torchlight, candle or anything to help with him with, then he needs to pronto get out of the frigging black abyss he's got sucked into and immersed in

I have another two cent to give next below aside the already one I just above have given

Gbam!

I would suspect such individual

Gbam

elated177, I trust you now can see, in the CharlyG1 response, the relevance of those 6 questions above, at the beginning of this post, I asked, hmm?

Also elated177 what Chelseafan99 narrated wasnt a dream/vision/trance but it was an actual event that happened to him in real life

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elated177, lol, about your "a man looks at a tree about 100ft away and says in his heart he wants the branches of the tree to move" I am going to be brutal frank and honest with you.

I am getting elated177, that there has been a misunderstanding in what the core lesson is that Jesus was teaching in Matthew 17:20 and Matthew 21:21. The man in your narrative, has taken literally what Jesus said in Matthew 17:20 and Matthew 21:21, but that isnt what Jesus taught in there that we do. What Jesus taught in Matthew 17:20 and Matthew 21:21 was to have fair, sensible, strong, intelligent, logical, appropriate and reasonable faith

You see elated177, that Jesus' remark, ''...you could say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it would move. Nothing would be impossible'' is a hyperbole and if anybody has taken the ''move mountain'' remark literally, then the posssible only mountain moved by such will be done using earth moving machineries such as JCB or Caterpillar bulldozers, lol.

I could compliment with more light and add more value to that my brother/sister Finallydead contribution, but whats up there is suffice, so I wouldnt, unless someone personally requests for it

MuttleyLaff:
elated please be specific. Are you saying all that moving tree narrative is about you ni? That you have the ability to with just ordinarily your mind, physically uproot and move trees from point A to point B, hmm?

CharlyG1, go easy on elated177, it hasnt yet got to labelling anyone with foolishness yet. If this was some other poster, yeah maybe, but elated177, hmm, maybe something has gone awry somewhere in his/her theology and biblical studies

Please suffer him/her a bit further, let's see how high in the air he/she is and how low she/he will land. I wouldnt just like that wash hands off him/her and then left to be thrown under the bus

elated177:
See muttleylaff waltzing in, probing and all. Ludicrous!

elated177:
Go and sit down somewhere and have yourself one glass of chilled Irish rum and freshly baked scotch egg, dude. You know zilch about this issue.

CharlyG1:
I'm sorry to say foolishness. I should have said "Beyond foolishness". It's not an insult. It's a prideful spirit that tries to deny God and yet having a form of godliness (2 Timothy 3:5)

CharlyG1:
This young man believes all the diabolical stuff but tends to paint them in a good way like Simon the sorcerer.

Now he talks about Elijah bringing fire down from heaven and Jesus walking on water. Those are signs and wonders actually done by God. God brought the fire down using Elijah because at that time Israel were under the bondage of Jezebel and Ahab.

God sought to return His people back to Him using Elijah, Moses and all the signs and wonders that happened back then.

Jesus is God, and Him walking on water and Peter walking on water was actually a teaching to strengthen the faith of His disciples to make them know that they can do all things if they have faith in Him. The thing about these signs and wonders is the motive behind it. The motive was God's and it was just and good. And it was only permitted by God. Didn't Elijah pray to God before the fire fell? Didn't Peter ask Jesus if he could come to him on the water?

Satan himself performs signs and wonders and many will fall in the last days because of this.

There are some things that should be addressed with a tough hand and not gently, and this is one of those cases.

There is a form of pride seen in his previous posts, feels like he's struggling with something on the inside, and now he tries to unleash all that here and make me the victim. Someone who should humble himself thinks he knows it all.

What a pity.

MuttleyLaff:
Foolishness is not an insult. It actually is a statement of fact. It means taking wrong decisions, it means deliberating or contemplaring unwise action. For example, it will be unwise (i.e. foolish) to, without looking left right and left again, cross a busy fast moving dual carriage highway road. It will be foolish or unwise to ignore a pedestrian overhead walkway bridge and attempt playing chicken crossing a multi-lane motorway.

"So Jesus said to them, “Because of your unbelief; for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you."
- Matthew 17:20

"Then Jesus told them, “I tell you the truth, if you have faith and don’t doubt, you can do things like this and much more.
You can even say to this mountain, ‘May you be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ and it will happen."
- Matthew 21:21

elated177, is simply just temporarily misguided. He has mistaken and misunderstood what Matthew 17:20 and Matthew 21:21 are all about In his overzealousness, he has decided to want to live out the dreams/fantasies of literally moving objects like trees/mountains from point A to point B, lol

MuttleyLaff:
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The scenery is captivating.

Why did you not respond, when I typed, what I would say about something like this, is to start with, first asking probing questions like:
1/ Why does he want the branches of the tree to move?
2/ What is he trying to prove by wanting and/or getting the branches of the tree to move.?
3/ Is he that vain, he just has to get the branches of the tree to move ni?
4/ What's the benefit, whats he to gain from having the branches of the tree to move?
5/ To what purposes does he want to have the branches of the tree to move?
6/ What power is influencing him to want to have the branches of the tree to move?

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Forgive me, for doing the due dilligence of trying find out, if all that talk and/or the moving tree narrative is about you. C'mon now, dont be shy to own up. Do you have the ability and extraordinary gift, to with, just ordinarily your mind, physically uproot and move trees from point A to point B, hmm elated177?

CharlyG1:


I'm sorry to say foolishness. I should have said "Beyond foolishness". It's not an insult. It's a prideful spirit that tries to deny God and yet having a form of godliness (2 Timothy 3:5)

This young man believes all the diabolical stuff but tends to paint them in a good way like Simon the sorcerer.


Satan himself performs signs and wonders and many will fall in the last days because of this.


There are some things that should be addressed with a tough hand and not gently, and this is one of those cases.

There is a form of pride seen in his previous posts, feels like he's struggling with something on the inside, and now he tries to unleash all that here and make me the victim. Someone who should humble himself thinks he knows it all.

What a pity.

CharlyG1:


I thought you were just ignorant. Now I see that you're more foolish than I could imagine.


So this power you talk of was given to you by God to make trees move and dance around? Well done sir. You are too powerful. So Dr Strange is not from the occult? You haven't seen the occultic symbologies Dr Strange uses when he invokes those powers? So you think all these superheroe stuff you see on TV is just for entertainment? You don't know they're inspired by the occultic powers behind Hollywood who worship these spirits as gods (superheroes).


I guess you don't believe that the so called "Spiderman" is infact a real demon. You don't know the scriptures nor do you research.


Demons regard themselves as "Superheroes", "Men of renown" even as said in the Bible. And during deliverances, many demons will boast about who they are and what they can do.


Continue moving objects with your mind or hands. I respect you so much because you are so powerful.


Continue with your foolishness until you enter into the depths of the snare of the enemy. Only God can save you.

I have no more advice for you.

And don't stirr any more issues here, and that's a warning!