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Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by MuttleyLaff: 10:16am On Feb 14, 2020 |
AntiChristian:I already know that comprehension is a challenge for you, besides English language isnt your first tongue, so I forgive you and excuse your inability to understand what "based upon the teaching of Injeel " means, lol May be if you stand on feet, and not be crawling on your belly, your belly wont sore so much. Oopsy daisy, I almost forgot, that you have no legs to stand on, lol 1 Like |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by AntiChristian: 10:27am On Feb 14, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Sorry! No vex! Is the injeel the gospel according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? 2 Likes |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by MuttleyLaff: 10:38am On Feb 14, 2020 |
AntiChristian:Save the sorry and no vex for yourself AntiChristian:Its the other way round 1 Like |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by Nobody: 12:06pm On Feb 14, 2020 |
CAPSLOCKED: Perhaps you've not taken the time to identify TRUE Christians, because Jesus (founder of Christianity) likens his own followers to sheep! John 10:16,27 So instead of being confused with the label pagans claiming Christians are giving themselves, why not study for yourself to know the TRUE Christian group? For your information, there is just one TRUE Christian group and all the qualities you can think of about sheep is found in their organized! |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by AntiChristian: 12:12pm On Feb 14, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: The Injeel was given to 'Eesa himself. Not written years after him by mostly people he knew not while alive. Don't force yourself to be a liar for Christ. |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by MuttleyLaff: 12:20pm On Feb 14, 2020 |
AntiChristian:What did Eesa Himself come to earth to announce, hmm? When Issa was on earth what was it called what He was preaching, hmm my Muslim brother C'mon now, don't play the ignorance card here 1 Like |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by AntiChristian: 12:23pm On Feb 14, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Injeel for "Eesa! Torah For Musa Zabur for Dawud Qur'an for Muhammad And in their footsteps, We sent 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), confirming the Taurat (Torah) that had come before him, and We gave him the Injeel (Gospel), in which was guidance and light and confirmation of the Taurat (Torah) that had come before it, a guidance and an admonition for Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V. 2:2). Qur'an 5 vs 46 |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by MuttleyLaff: 12:42pm On Feb 14, 2020 |
AntiChristian:Thank you very much my dear Muslim brother. Yep, Injeel is the Gospel, the Good News, lol. Everything in the Torah is pointing to and was talking about Eesa, lol, the promised Saviour of the world 1 Like |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by paxonel(m): 4:32pm On Feb 14, 2020 |
Bodydialect57:we are still saying the same thing. Let's assume Muslims do not have the spirit of Christ and they are non of Christ according to this scripture you quoted. Then, must you as a Christian fight God's battle? That battle between Christ and Muslims is only meant for God to fight and not for you. As a matter of fact, God will never side you for hating a Muslim because he doesn't believe in Christ. And if you choose to love them, God will be very happy for you because you are behaving like his child. Therefore,your own is to show everyone love irrespective of who they are without any discrimination. |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by AntiChristian: 5:12pm On Feb 14, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Trying to change topic now? Is Okay! Injeel given to "Eesa is lost! Your Gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke & John ain't it! Your OT ain't Torah! Torah was revealed to Moses! So when David was killing Uriah and sleeping with his wife was that also about Jesus? You said everything in bold up there! |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by paxonel(m): 5:35pm On Feb 14, 2020 |
Maximus69: An English dictionary definition of the word Liberal one who forms opinions on the basis of reason independently of authority; especially : one who doubts or denies religious dogma An English definition of the word Dogma a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative or doctrine without adequate grounds I will say it is as a result of the inadequacies in most church doctrines and points of view which are dogma, that has resulted to liberalism in Christianity today. So, there are liberal Christians and Muslims it is a very good and welcomed development especially when the freethinkers point of view comes from good reasoning. we don't run marriage by faith, we run marriage by understanding. So leave faith out of marriage. Faith is faith, marriage is marriage. Just like a scripture says what is flesh is flesh, and what is spirit is spirit. If you mis-run your marriage, there is no amount of faith that can save it by the time it crumble. But if you run your marriage well and both of are enjoying it, you can never give faith the credit for that but you give the credit to the understanding both of you have for each other. please don't conclude that because the people involved may be of separate religion therefore they are totally separate individuals in all aspects as that kinda conclusion will always come from a very wrong premises the bible did not admonish that it must be only in the lord. Before i come speaking i have read through the whole new testament pertaining to who a Christian should marry or not. I don't know where you got that from that is because you have never seen it work before. I did my nysc in the north i know what i saw. you haven't successfully established that a Christian cannot be a freethinker. Are you saying that for one to be a Christian he should not have brain to think on his own? But on the contrary, everytime i read Jesus Christ in the bible confounding the scribes and Pharisees and their dogma, He always use parables which require thinking to understand. 2 Likes |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by Anas09: 7:07pm On Feb 14, 2020 |
AntiChristian:Oh, I thought allah said Jesus didn't die, but he deceived the Jews to think that they killed him? Allah said he stole Jesus away and killed an innocent man who looks like Jesus instead. You are calling your prophet derogatory names. Allah will deny you of virgins o. 3 Likes |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by MuttleyLaff: 7:36pm On Feb 14, 2020 |
AntiChristian:We are still on topic AntiChristian:The Synoptic Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke along with John's are based on Injeel, the Gospel proclaimed, announced, preached and taught by Jesus (i.e. that's Isa to you, lol). AntiChristian:"Jesus said to them, “These are the words I spoke to you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms.”" - Luke 24:44 "Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see My day. He saw it and was glad." - John 8:56 Keep on deceiving yourself behaving as if you really don't know what the "everything" in that sentence means. That slippery serpent archetype belly-ache, lol, AntiChristian always again at it, misunderstanding scripture and making a dog's dinner out of it, lol The law and prophecies were revealed to Moses and the prophets. Do you at all know the reason why Moses and Elijah appeared in form of a vision that the trio Peter, John and James together and at once witnessed on the Mount of Transfiguration, hmm? I very much doubt you do my dear Muslim brother friend else you wouldn't be embarrassing yourself with your public show of lack of basic bible knowledge 1 Like |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by Nobody: 11:01pm On Feb 14, 2020 |
paxonel:]No paxonel, we aren't saying the same thing. We are talking about marriage here but you are bringing in love/ hate situation. The fact that a believer can't marry a Muslim does not culminate into hatred and the fact that a believer loves a Muslim or any unbeliever, agape love, does not mean marrying such. The point l made earlier which l will reiterate is that since a believer does not share the same faith, does not possess the same Spirit with an unbeliever, the union of the two will be chaotic. 1 Like |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by paxonel(m): 1:43am On Feb 15, 2020 |
Bodydialect57:ok, I agree with you that a believer not marrying a Muslim does not mean hate. But again, if a Muslim with good intention request to marry a Christian and she refuse simply because they do not possess the same spirit, then that isn't a good reason for her to reject him. Therefore, there are some reservations that she is having against Muslims generally. I understand that a good number of Muslims are not well mannered,the conservative ones among them can be annoying with serious fundamental issues towards people they consider unbelievers and so on, but I'm saying that not all Muslims are like that. So, it will be wrong for a Christian to generalise that because most Muslims behaves this way, then it is the different spirit they have that is controlling them to behave that way therefore i can't marry anything Muslim. It will be wrong to generalise like that. |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by Nobody: 8:22am On Feb 15, 2020 |
paxonel: I fully grasp your point of view on the issue but i want you to know that Christianity has NOTHING in common with liberalism. Granted the Jews lived their lives in line with worthless dogmas of no benefit. But Jesus (Christ) the founder of Christianity made it clear in his speeches that he is not liberal! John 8:28 According to Jesus, he has no thought of his own when dealing with other creatures from his father, he doesn't even try having his own mind in crusial cases that has to do with his very own life! Luke 22:42 The God of the Jews claims to be the one and only Creator, through his written words he made us to understand that DEATH is not part of his plan for humans, but when the first human couple (Adam and Eve) chose to have the minds of their own on issues that he suppose to give them guidance {Genesis 2:17} he allowed them to choose their course and that's why we are dying till today! The purpose of Jesus' coming to the earth is to redeem mankind from the consequences of Adamic sin, and lay down the precedence of dealing with God as OBEDIENT children {Philippians 2:8} it's WRITTEN that only those who accept to live their lives harmony with his thoughts words and actions will be allowed to regain what Adam and Eve lost "everlasting life"! John 3:16 So let's talk about marriage! If it's about the success of living together till death, of course two separate individuals who share the same hobby, attitude, taste for food, clothes, social life, sex and so on may last as partners. But God's word is not just about the life now, God's original plan from the beginning is for OBEDIENT human couples to fill the earth. Genesis 1:27-28 They can last as a couple but what about their dealings with neighbours? Are they a source of blessing to those living around them? What type of children will faithless couples raise? Sex reduces stress, most times faithless couples assaults, curse, cheat and do so many other things to hurt each other but after a quicky they put all those things behind them and continue living together again. Children born/raised in such atmosphere will see all of these and it's certain that they may not survive such if they grow up to find themselves in the same situation! That's why God is saying "MARRY ONLY IN THE MIDST OF MY SERVANTS" There is just one Christian group on planet earth today, if you're careful to observe their marriages you'll see that they last and their children are law-abiding, peaceful, easygoing with simple lifestyles. In times past most religionists have launched complains about this group's restrictions when talking about marriage, because they will never marry outside their group. But because people love to have members of this group as husbands and wives, many went ahead to join them with the intention of getting married to them. Today such marriages are having problems because it's not both spouse that's truly dedicated servants of God, while one is having God in his/her mind, the disguised partner just want a faithful partner that's all, so when the test of faith arises the marriage can't survive! I'm talking about Jehovah's Witnesse! We know that there are marriages that's not based on faith yet they last, but it doesn't end there. Servants of God must be fully competent and completely equipped to serve efficaciously as a wife, husband or child! 2Timothy 3:16-17 God bless you! |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by AntiChristian: 9:23am On Feb 15, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Based on Injeel means it is different from Injeel and derived from it. That means the Injeel is lost and not among the Bible books! |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by MuttleyLaff: 9:28am On Feb 15, 2020 |
AntiChristian:You're unbelievable. Injeel is alive, it is the same proclaimed, announced, preached and taught by Jesus (i.e. that's Isa to you, lol) 2000 years ago, that is now, mister AntiChristian olodo nla rapata upon twenty, smh. |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by AntiChristian: 9:38am On Feb 15, 2020 |
Anas09: Our beliefs are different from your beliefs! Your God killed his son on the cross as a curse for your salavtion! Death by hanging He said! How sensible is this? Only a Dibia needs blood to perform rituals! |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by AntiChristian: 9:39am On Feb 15, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Where is the proof that Injeel is the Bible? |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by Nobody: 10:28am On Feb 15, 2020 |
paxonel:unless you want to be your own Lord and disregard the Bible then go ahead and marry a Muslim. I believe Samson was told not to marry from a certain tribe same as Solomon etc even though in the knowledge of these person's they were comparable. It didn't start today |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by Nobody: 10:32am On Feb 15, 2020 |
AntiChristian:But yours that isn't a dibia needs loyal slaves who can kill per second, detonating themselves and slitting throats in promise that enough bloodbath and chaos would move him to send the Al Mahdi who would come save the world from his induced chaos |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by paxonel(m): 10:35am On Feb 15, 2020 |
Maximus69:very true! But a Christian who want to be liberal has power to be so at the same he remains a Christian. John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them,When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. there is nothing in this statement that shows that Jesus is conservative. Doing what his father has thought him does not mean being conservative. you are not getting the definition of the word Liberal as it applies. That's why i brought out the definition from a dictionary for you to see. Take note of the word dogma in that definition. Are you saying what God thought Jesus to do is a dogma and Jesus has to do the instructions not minding the instructions are dogma? I told you, being liberal implies the individual ignoring the aspects of the doctrine that are dogma and uphold those doctrines that adequate. Infact, that's what makes a person a good Christian. Not that everything you hear pastors teaching ,bad or good, you unhold them simply because simply because a pastor you admire so much is preaching the doctrine. And a pastor who preaches to you that it is wrong to marry a Muslim as a Christian, that pastor is preaching a dogma and as a liberal christian you have to scrutinize that kinda faulty doctrine and stand by the truth. Adam and eve were primitive people, they had primitive minds that's why they could not obey simple instruction from God. But you are more educated today than Adam and eve and moreover, there is no such instruction from God that a Christian should not marry a Muslim. If your heart goes to a Muslim and you are in love enough to marry her and you do, that will never affect your relationship with God neither will it affect her relationship with the Islam and Muhammad she believes so long both of you respect your different beliefs. See, religion is just absolutely nothing. Religion is one major problem that is causing division among people. We have the power to control the tenets of religion towards having a better life not that religion will be controlling us. I don't get it, what do you mean by faithless couples? One of them having faith(a Christian) and the other does not have faith in Christ(a Muslim), is that what you mean by faithless couple? If the couples themselves have personal moral values(remember the assumption is that both parents are good people) then they should pass their morals to their children and a good parent should not impose any of the religions to any of their children. Let them choose for themselves which of the religions they want. there are Christian couples who do all these too. Infact, I have a lot of them in church who abandoned their children to become wayward Personally, i don't recommend a Christian to marry a Muslim because of all these matrimonial vices and problems, but all I'm saying is if both the Christian and Muslim understand each other enough to marry and avoid these problems, then their religion diffences does not have any ground against their union. those ones they are not people now, who in his right senses will marry a Jehovah witness? |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by paxonel(m): 10:44am On Feb 15, 2020 |
Mikehot:that was the old testament. Show me something like that in the new testament where there is Christianity? |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by Nobody: 10:47am On Feb 15, 2020 |
AntiChristian:Christianity is clear on it's limit concerning marriage to not be unequally yoked with an unbeliever who renounces the finished work of Christ. Does that spells hatred for the unbeliever no, show love to all. This is just a cheap blackmail to shift goal post, what we all own ourselves as humans is love, respect for human life/opinions and peace. Question is to a large extent are Christian's doing this yes, (everyone can feel save, loved, and unhindered in a Christian space). Can same be said of those who forcefully convert people to Islam at gun point (shekaharu etc) who hinders opinions of others through hisbah, jihad and other appendages even in secular countries. Who kill others per second slitting throats and detonating themselves to end other lives. These are the real questions not the hypocritical marriage to a Muslim only to go get suppressed and later converted |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by Nobody: 11:02am On Feb 15, 2020 |
paxonel:is 2corinthas 6vs 14 old testament? Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers, and it's been pointed out to you here an unbeliever is the one who denounces the death and resurrection of Christ of such spirit is also of the Antichrist. My reference to old testament was that specifically on marriage there has been ordinances where God himself directed his people on where to marry from. You probably looking at it from new testament after Christ new beginning but fail to realize that even though Christ died for everyone, the purpose and actualization of his death only exist for those who believe he died and resurrected for them. So why we have no problem with an unbeliever, we must remember they still denounce the evidence of Christ (of such spirit is of the Antichrist) and you can't be the temple of Christ while been spiritually yoked by marriage with an Antichrist (remember the bond between a husband and wife has deep spiritual bind) |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by Nobody: 11:55am On Feb 15, 2020 |
paxonel: There is no dogma in true Christianity! The word "BELIEVE" connotes "TRUST", so before we put our trust in any teaching we first listen to the doctrines (theories) ask for the way to go about it (practical application) and examine what will come out of it (benefits). That's why Jehovah's Witnesses study the Bible thoroughly with an interested person for a lengthy period of time before such a person could become one of us. He must know what we believe, learn how to go about it and examine what will be the outcome. This is totally different from worthless religious dogmas infused in the brains of churchgoers, making them members of a religious organization that they can't even preach or teach what they were taught to trust (believe) with efficacy. That's why it's only Jehovah's Witnesses that can stand to preach, teach and defend their BELIEFS (WHAT THEY TRUST) anytime, anywhere and before anyone! As for marriage, Many tried all their effort to marry a dedicated JW but they couldn't! Do you still remember Michael Jackson? Well his mother became one of Jehovah's Witnesses and because Michael love his mother so much, he tried to gain her concent before getting married, his mother insisted that she can't bless his marriage if he's not marrying one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Michael decided to please his mother but since the mother is a bonafide member who knew all our rules, she tried to help her son get a DEDICATED JW for him all to no avail! WHY? Because he couldn't meet up with the requirements of a dedicated servant of Jehovah! That was what took him so long before he finally gave up and married one out of billions of those dying to have him as a husband outside our organization! For your information, Michael wasn't wayward because he has learnt so much about true Christian doctrines from his mother, even most people who noticed that he's not flirting with any girl thought he must be gay, when they got to know that is not the case, they concluded he is a pedophile because he loves children. They accused him of pedophilia several times but after his death all of them took to the social media saying "We lied against Michael just to get money from him, he never committed any of those crimes" I'm telling you this for you to know how so many people out there are dying to have dedicated servants of Jehovah as their soulmate! 1 Like |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by paxonel(m): 11:57am On Feb 15, 2020 |
Mikehot:the scripture says do not be equally yoked together with unbelievers, it did not say do not marry unbelievers. We have already established that to be equally yoked together in the context of that scripture does not mean marrying unbelievers, rather it means to believe what unbelievers believe that is against the believe of Christ. |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by Nobody: 12:06pm On Feb 15, 2020 |
paxonel: Are you a believer? Do you believe in prayer? Should couples pray together? In what name should they pray? Can they just pray when one doesn't believe (trust) in Jesus name? 1 Like |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by Nobody: 12:07pm On Feb 15, 2020 |
paxonel:Either you a Muslim or trying to be religiously correct. The Bible and the English word is clearly explicit on what yoke meant not in your perceived concept
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Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by AntiChristian: 12:09pm On Feb 15, 2020 |
Mikehot: No, Christians marry Muslims and take all their kids to Church! |
Re: Is It OK For A Christian To Marry A Muslim? by paxonel(m): 4:36pm On Feb 15, 2020 |
Mikehot:wrong diagnosis! Why is that when people are not looking at things at your point of view you tend to conclude that they are not Christians? Most Christians of the African extract are always guilty of that fallacy and the application of the word yoke necessarily implies the couple sharing problems in marriage? What about a believer sharing the problems of not believing in Christ with an unbeliever as it is applied to that scripture, what happens to that one, you have abandoned it and your mind is going to problems in marriage? Read the whole chapter of that scripture and draw out the basic idea Paul was trying to point out. Let me say this clearly, when Paul wrote that scripture "do not be equally yoked together with unbelievers" he never had marriage in mind. Infact, there is no verse of the whole of that chapter that marriage was mentioned that you will now draw from there to say that Paul was talking about marriage. According that scripture, the problem a Christian will have when he decides to join with unbelievers and stop believing in Christ is that he will loose his salvation like the unbeliever. (Whosever does not believe is condemned already. John 3:18). That is what it meant to be equally yoked together with unbelievers. The yoke there represent loosing salvation which arises from not believing in Christ and that is the problem shared. |
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