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Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by Lukuluku69(m): 2:58pm On Jan 26, 2020 |
blueAgent: My question was: how do you treat it in your Church? There is a punishment prescribe in your bible, do you still carry it out as the muslims do according to their quran? Do you? If no, then why are you saying God's can not be changed? |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by Nobody: 3:11pm On Jan 26, 2020 |
blueAgent: He's got your time Sir, i'm not interested in your fruitless arguments. The Watchtower organization has proved their worth by making the one and only group that's able to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshippers globally, with one single line of thought! Micah 4:3-4 compared to 1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3 If you can't point to such achievement, then it means that both your God and the Faith you're having is DEAD? James 2:26 There is no distinction between your God and that of the people you're trying to convert! You worship, they worship. You see wonders, they see wonders. You preach virtue, they preach virtue. You sing praises to God, they do the same. Adherents kill one another, as they do the same. So what's the evidence that your God is the Supreme Being if he's unable to settle all the differences amidst his worshipers (who are claiming to be his children)? Even you no matter how stupid you can be, will make sure there is PEACE amongst your children to prove yourself a capable Father! That's why Paul said you people are having a form of godly devotion but proving FALSE to God's ability! 2Timothy 3:5 So prove the efficacy of your God by pointing to his children amidst whom PEACE reigns! |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by blueAgent(m): 3:15pm On Jan 26, 2020 |
Maximus69: Crap. Even Muslims and non Christians also have the same achievements. |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by Nobody: 3:30pm On Jan 26, 2020 |
blueAgent: It's only Jehovah's Witnesses that i know globally that will NEVER carry a weapon to kill no matter what you do to them! So if you're truthful with what you just typed up there, please who are those fighting and killing people today? |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by blueAgent(m): 3:32pm On Jan 26, 2020 |
Lukuluku69:. First you fail to understand that God's ten commandments are different from the Levitical laws which prescribed punishment for those who transgressed the 10commandments. When the adulteress woman was brought Before Jesus to be stoned to death according to the Judicial laws or Levitical laws. Jesus refused to consent to the demand of the people who wanted to stone the woman rather Jesus offered the woman grace which he offers to every one of us. When the people left Jesus instructed the woman to go and sin no more. (not to transgress the law or break the law) You can see that the 10commandments is still valid because Jesus asked the woman not to commit adultery. God does not demand that we stone people to death or flog people in this present time, those laws were done away with through the death of Christ. but the 10commandments still stand because the define what is sin, what we can do and what we cannot do that is not pleasing to God. And as Paul said are we now allowed to sin or continue in sin because we are all be given grace? Paul's answer is no rather we uphold the law. Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Note. God allowed those who broke the law to be stoned to death to demonstrate to the Israelites that the wages of Sin is death. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death ; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by blueAgent(m): 3:34pm On Jan 26, 2020 |
Maximus69: Weather you choose to kill or not what matters to God is adherence to his word the 10 commandments. |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by Nobody: 3:45pm On Jan 26, 2020 |
blueAgent: My friend what is the evidence that your so called 10 commandments is of any benefit when adherents are killing one another? Please my ancestors have rules that i abandoned to accept the Bible, but i did so because of what Jehovah's Witnesses (TRUE Christians) were able to do with that book called Bible. Otherwise there is NOTHING special in any law that has been rendered fruitless by those striving to TEACH others! Matthew 23:15 |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by blueAgent(m): 4:03pm On Jan 26, 2020 |
Maximus69: You fail to understand that anyone who truly loves God keeps his commandments and all of it. those who keep his commandments do not kill, commit adultery,steal or do anything nothing pleasing to God. For you to be righteous in God's eyes you must keep the 10commandments not some. This is not my word but God's word. James 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by Lukuluku69(m): 4:20pm On Jan 26, 2020 |
blueAgent: If I get you right, there is a 10 commandnent and also the levetical prescription by the priest namely stone the adulterer. Fine. The 10 came from God and the other from who? In the case of that woman, don't you think it was just that jesus saved that woman!!? Where was her partner? Or was she using a cucumber on herself? That episode was a lie tacked on later to show that jesus can forgive sin! Remember only john recorded it. So, in your church you tell them to go and sin no more? That is not God's Law, |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by blueAgent(m): 4:39pm On Jan 26, 2020 |
Lukuluku69: You dear call the word of God a lie? Those levetical laws were also given by God but they were temporary. God expect Churches to admonish members who sinned or committed audletry. If you read the bible carefully you would find out that God does not allow or consent to and adulterer to hold posts in the Church. https://www.preparingforeternity.com/mosevs10.htm https://tifwe.org/resource/moral-law-and-the-ten-commandments/ https://www.christiantruthcenter.com/difference-between-god-laws-and-mosaic-law/ If you understand the fact that sin cannot be imputed where there is no law, you will get to know that the 10commandments were existing even before God gave it to Moses and the Israelites on mount Sinai. https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/the-new-covenant-does-it-abolish-gods-law/did-the-ten-commandments-exist-before-moses |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by blueAgent(m): 4:59pm On Jan 26, 2020 |
Lukuluku69: Did the Ten Commandments Exist Before Moses? The Bible shows that the Ten Commandments did not originate with Moses or in his time. They believe that the Sinai Covenant and God’s commandments came into existence together and went out of existence together. But is such reasoning biblical? The facts show it is not. A close look at the Scriptures reveals that breaking the Ten Commandments was a sin before the covenant at Mt. Sinai, so arguments that they came into existence with that covenant and were terminated with it cannot be true. Let’s notice the scriptural proof. God’s Word defines sin as “the transgression of the law” ( 1 John 3:4 , KJV) or “lawlessness” (New King James Version, NIV). Therefore, “where there is no law there is no transgression” ( Romans 4:15 ). This is what the Bible clearly says! So do we find transgressions of the Ten Commandments described as sinful before Mt. Sinai? Clearly we do. For example, Genesis 13:13 tells us that “the men of Sodom were exceedingly wicked and sinful against the Lord.” Since sin is violating God’s law, the people of Sodom could not have been punished for being wicked and sinful if no law condemned what they were doing. We must conclude, therefore, that God had already made available the knowledge of what is sinful. Here is a clear example. Genesis 20:3-9 and Genesis 39:7-9 describe adultery as “a great sin” and a “sin against God.” Adultery breaks the Seventh Commandment . In Genesis 3:6-17 , God punishes Adam and Eve for their coveting and stealing— breaking the Tenth and Eighth Commandments . They also dishonored Him as their parent, violating the Fifth Commandment . In Genesis 4:9-12 , God punishes Cain for murder and lying—violations of the Sixth and Ninth Commandments . In Exodus 16:4 , several days to several weeks before God established His covenant with the Israelites at Mt. Sinai, we find God giving them a test to see “whether they will walk in My law or not.” His test involved whether they would rest on the seventh-day Sabbath as He commanded in the Fourth Commandment of that law—with which they were at least partly familiar. The seventh day had been hallowed—set aside as holy by God—from the time of Adam and Eve ( Genesis 2:1-3 ). God’s reaction to their disobedience is revealing. He exclaims, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws?” ( Exodus 16:28 ). God clearly speaks of both His “commandments and … laws” as already existing and in force well before He listed the Ten Commandments verbally at Mt. Sinai, as described four chapters later! Therefore, the Ten Commandments were only codified —written in stone as part of a formal covenant—at Mt. Sinai. Scripture clearly shows that they existed and were in force well before then. This is stated explicitly in Genesis 26:5 , where God tells Isaac that He blessed his father Abraham “because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.” This event took place centuries before the covenant at Mt. Sinai, centuries before Moses and two generations before Judah, head of the tribe that much later would become known as the Jews, was born! (Be sure to read “Did Abraham Keep the Same Commandments God Gave to Moses?” on page 13). In Leviticus 18:21-27 , God calls the idolatrous practices of the people of the land of Canaan “abominations”—actions so filthy and degrading that God compared their expulsion to being “vomited out” of the land ( Leviticus 18:28 ). What was their sin? Among other things, idolatry (the worship of false gods) and human sacrifice, which violated the First, Second and Sixth Commandments . The Bible shows that the Ten Commandments did not originate with Moses or in his time. Nor were they in any way limited only to the Jews. They were in effect and known long before Moses or a people known as the Jews existed. They are the foundation of God’s laws that show us how to love God (defined by the first four Commandments) and how to love our fellow man (defined by the last six). This is why, after Jesus Christ returns to establish His glorious Kingdom on earth, Isaiah 2:3 tells us that “many people shall come and say, ‘Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, and we shall walk in His paths.’ For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.” At that time, all of mankind will at last be taught to live according to all of God’s laws and commandments! |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by Nobody: 7:26pm On Jan 26, 2020 |
blueAgent: The Pharisees can quote the scriptures and they were applying it to the best of their understanding, they make sure they keep each word found in those scriptures. But they failed in the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what they're reading, and there was NO BENEFITS of their so called obedience in Israel. When Jesus our own Master, Lord and King began teaching people the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what those religionists thought they knew, it was like what is happening today. Jesus' followers applied everything the way he taught them and everyone could SEE the BENEFITS, but those hopeless religionists were antagonizing Jesus' followers with the intent that the Christians and their founder weren't honouring God's word. Yet all those antagonists couldn't produce the FRUIT of God's holy spirit with all their religious practices! So keep spewing your gibberish that Satan have infused in your empty skulls to make you stand against those who supposed to TEACH you how to get the BENEFITS of what you're reading! |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by blueAgent(m): 8:07pm On Jan 26, 2020 |
Maximus69: More trash as ever. Keep fool yourself. |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by Nobody: 8:38pm On Jan 26, 2020 |
blueAgent: Just exactly what the religionists of Jesus' day said, even when his teachings is yielding fine FRUIT! John 10:20 So you're still on track Sir! |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by blueAgent(m): 9:33am On Jan 27, 2020 |
Maximus69:You need to understand the fact that no matter your fruits if you do not obey God's commandments you are not going to inherit the Kingdom of God. This is not my opinion or my word but God's word. Like you can see this people Jesus rejected had fruits did signs and wonders in the name of Jesus but still they were rejected because of not obeying the commandments of God. Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by Nobody: 10:05am On Jan 27, 2020 |
blueAgent: We are still saying the same thing Sir! You are quoting the LAWS given to the Israelites, which is just to lead them to the Christ who will teach them what they needed to qualify for God's kingdom! When some Jewish Christians taught the Christians in Galatia that they must apply the LAWS to be saved. Apostle Paul (whom the Lord Jesus appointed over all other nations to make them Christians) said "WE DON'T NEED THE LAWS GIVEN TO THE NATION OF ISRAEL, BECAUSE IT'S PURPOSE HAS BEEN FULFILLED WHEN THE CHRIST WALKED THEIR LAND" Galatians 3:1-25 Note the closing of that Chapter! Paul said we've become Abraham's offspring by FAITH not by the LAWS. Abraham was declared RIGHTEOUS without those LAWS, so the laws has fulfilled it's purpose when the Christ arrived! And as for Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus was telling his listeners that no matter what powerful works you do in his name, it's all useless if you failed to do God's will! For clarity sake, Jesus is the PRINCE of PEACE, so anyone who is able to make PEACE with his neighbours with the expectations of living in Paradise (land of PEACE) has fulfilled the LAW of Christ who is the PRINCE of PEACE. Any other works you do is worthless if your organization failed to accomplish this! Isaiah 2:1-4 compared to 9:6 That's the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what you quoted Sir! |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by blueAgent(m): 11:41am On Jan 27, 2020 |
Maximus69: Stop confusing yourself the law been referred to in Galatians 3:1-25 is not the ten commandments but the law contained in Ordinance which is the ceremonial laws and levitical laws which were given to only the Children of Israel, those where the law that were done away with the death of Christ. The 10commandments still exist and they the laws that Christ l, Paul and James asked Christians to teach,establish and obey. By works is no one saved only by faith and obedience to God's word can one be saved. |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by blueAgent(m): 11:43am On Jan 27, 2020 |
Maximus69: You can claim to love God without keeping his commandments. John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by blueAgent(m): 11:44am On Jan 27, 2020 |
Maximus69: If the purpose of the law has been fulfilled as you claim, why do we still have sin, why is God going to reject some people from entering Heaven? Could it be that they did not show much love? |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by Nobody: 12:03pm On Jan 27, 2020 |
blueAgent: You're still quoting the same thing, yet failed woefully to work out something worthwhile with all your Bible reading! 2Timothy 3:7 For your information, you can't claim to LOVE God whom you're NOT SEEING if you're unable to make PEACE and LOVE your fellow man that you can SEE! 1John 4:20 Your fellow believer from any part of the earth supposed to be your brother in Christ, so if your religious organization failed to make LOVE stand above RACIAL prejudice in your midst, then all those LAWS and SCRIPTURES you're quoting is USELESS! James 2:18-26 Your so called FAITH in an invisible God that's not able to make you LOVE dearly your fellow worshippers that you can SEE is DEAD! |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by blueAgent(m): 1:00pm On Jan 27, 2020 |
Maximus69: That means you have only fulfilled one obligation and that is to love your neighbor but you have failed to do the order which is to love God. ◄ Luke 10:27 So he answered and said, “ ‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’ Loving God means obeying the first four commandments and loving your neighbor is keeping the other 6. |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by Nobody: 3:06pm On Jan 27, 2020 |
blueAgent: You're 100% correct Sir, it's just that your logic is neither working anywhere nor with any group! |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by blueAgent(m): 11:21am On Jan 28, 2020 |
Maximus69: Do you think JW is the only church that love theirselvesn? do you think it is only JW that their members do not fight wars? |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by Nobody: 1:39pm On Jan 28, 2020 |
blueAgent: You claim to be a Christian, so apply the logic to the church you attend FIRST. If your Church isn't in harmony with that then know that you're NOT worshiping in the midst of TRUE Christians! LOVE is the predominant attribute of the Almighty God! 1John 4:8 There are other attributes like POWER, JUSTICE, WISDOM. So you may found religious groups practicing the HYPOCRITICAL LOVE, but it can never be as sound and widely notable like those practicing the LOVE taught by Christ! People may have reasons for avoiding wars, but it can never be widely notable like that of Christ's followers! POWER is the ability to do WORK. So God's people will be noticed by their activeness and efficiency in God's work! JUSTICE is doing things orderly without nepotism. God's people will treat all adherents equally no matter their financial status, physical capability or race. WISDOM means the ability to convince other right thinking persons to willingly join you in doing what is beneficial for all. So God's people will attract faithful people to join them in doing God's work! |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by blueAgent(m): 1:01pm On Jan 29, 2020 |
Maximus69: Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. The reason you are on Earth is to keep the commandments of God not showing love. Love is the product of keeping God's commandments. when you keep God's commandments love fellows immediately. |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by Nobody: 1:14pm On Jan 29, 2020 |
blueAgent: That's exactly what i've been telling you since! Jesus is the new law that all earthly servants of God must keep in their hearts! Romans 10:4 If you can't find LOVE actively working in your midst, it simply means your religious group have failed woefully in keeping God's commandments that's in Christ Jesus our Lord! Romans 8:38-39 So stop and have a rethink because Satan has BLINDED billions making them think they're keeping God's LAW, yet that sign "LOVE" which is the proof of what they claim is missing in their midst! 2Corinthians 4:4 |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by Nobody: 1:38pm On Jan 29, 2020 |
I've noticed how you've been arguing blindly in support of the Sabbath day on Nairaland. Whereas the LAW of the Sabbath came much later after Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Job have died and gone! Hebrew 11:4-22 compared If that LAW must be kept as you're insinuating now, do you think God will declare all those people righteous without keeping the Sabbath? Galatians 3:18 So my friend, don't let anyone deceive you with their FRUITLESS miracles and wonders. When God created Adam and Eve, he gave them JUST ONE RULE, it was their disobedience that led us to this stage. We don't need LAWS to worship God in SPIRIT and TRUTH, what we need is LOVE GOD and OUR NEIGHBOURS, and the one evidence to back that is if the religious organization you're associating with is able to make LOVE work in their midst! |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by blueAgent(m): 2:11pm On Jan 29, 2020 |
Maximus69: You are just hidding the truth with stories and misconception of what God wants from us. Matthew 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. The law is still valid and we are told to teach people about it. These are Jesus own words. Love does not define or proceed God's law rather it is God's law that help us prove our love for God or our fellow man. |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by Nobody: 2:52pm On Jan 29, 2020 |
blueAgent: Keep doing it and let's SEE the aftereffects Sir! Matthew 5:14-16 |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by blueAgent(m): 9:23pm On Feb 27, 2020 |
blueAgent: JMAN05 THE SABBATH FIRST QUESTION IS, WHEN WAS THE SABBATH INSTITUTED? THOSE who are in the habit of reading the Scriptures just as they find them, and of understanding them according to the established rules of interpretation, will never be at a loss to understand so plain a passage as the following: “And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it; because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.” Genesis 2:3 Moses, when referring to it, says to the children of Israel, “This is that which the Lord hath said , to-morrow is the REST of the holy Sabbath unto the Lord.” Exodus 16:23 {SC1 3.1} Then we understand that God established the seventh day Sabbath in Paradise, on the very day when he rested from all his work, and not one week, nor one year, not two thousand five hundred and fourteen years afterwards, as some would have it. Is it not plain that the Sabbath was instituted to commemorate the stupendous work of creation, and designed by God to be celebrated by his worshipers as a weekly Sabbath, in the same manner as the Israelites were commanded to celebrate the Passover, from the very night of their deliverance till the resurrection of Jesus from the dead; or as we, as a nation, annually celebrate our national independence; or as type answers to antitype, so we believe this must run down, to the “keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God” in the immortal state. {SC1 3.2} It is argued by some, that because no mention is made of the Sabbath from its institution in Paradise till the falling of the manna in the wilderness, mentioned in Exodus 16:15 , that it was therefore here instituted for the Jews, but we think there is bible argument sufficient to sustain the reply of Jesus to the Pharisees, “that the Sabbath was made for MAN and not man for the Sabbath.” If it was made for any one exclusively it must have been for Adam, the father of us all, two thousand years before Abraham (who is claimed as the father of the Jews) was born. John says, the old commandment was from the beginning - 1 John 2:7 {SC1 3.3} There is pretty strong inference that the antediluvians measured time by weeks from the account given by Noah, when the waters of the deluge began to subside. He “sent out a dove which soon returned.” Genesis 8:8, 9 At the end of seven days he sent her out again; and at the end of seven days more, he sent her out a third time. Now why this preference for the number seven ? why not five or ten days, or any other number? Can it be supposed that his fixing on upon seven was accidental? How much more natural to conclude that it was in obedience to the authority of God, as expressed in the 2nd chap. of Gen. A similar division of time is incidentally mentioned in Genesis 29:27, 28 fulfill her week and we will give thee this also; and Jacob did so and fulfilled her week .” Now the word week is every where used in Scriptures as we use it; it never means more nor less than seven days (except as symbols of years) and one of them was in all other cases the Sabbath. But now suppose there had been an entire silence on the subject of the Sabbath for this twenty-five hundred years, would that be sufficient evidence that there was none. If so, we have the same evidence that there was no Sabbath from the reign of Joshua till the reign of David, four hundred and six years, as no mention is made of it in the history of that period. But who can be persuaded that Samuel and the pious Judges of Israel did not regard the Sabbath. What does God say of Abraham? that he “obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments , my statutes and my laws. (See what he calls them in Exodus 16:27, 30 ) This, of course, includes the whole. Then Abraham reverenced God’s Sabbath. Once more, there is no mention of the circumcision from the days of Joshua till the days of Jeremiah, a period of more than eight hundred years. Will it be believed that Samuel and David, and all those pious worthies with the whole Jewish nation, neglected that essential seal of the covenant for eight hundred years? It cannot be admitted for a moment. How then can any one suppose from the alleged silence of the sacred history that Adam, Enoch, Noah and Abraham, kept no Sabbath, because the fact was not stated? If we turn to Jeremiah 9:25, 26 , we find that they had not neglected this rite of circumcision, only they had not circumcised their hearts; so that the proof is clear, that silence respecting the keeping any positive command of God, is no evidence that it is not in full force. {SC1 4.1} Again, if the Sabbath was not instituted in Paradise, why did Moses mention it in connection with the creation of the world? Why not reserve this fact for two or three thousand years in his history, until the manna fell in the wilderness, (see Exodus 16:22, 23) and then state that the seventh day Sabbath commenced, as some will have it? I answer, for the very best of reasons, that it did not commence there. Let us examine the text. “And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread as on any preceding day, and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses . And he said unto them this is that which the Lord hath said, to-morrow is the rest of the holy Sabbath. bake that which ye will bake, etc.etc.” If this had been the establishing of the holy Sabbath and Moses had said to-morrow shall be the Sabbath, then would it have been clear; but no, he speaks as familiarly about it as we do when we say that to-morrow is the Sabbath, showing conclusively that it was known before, or how could the people have known that they must gather two day’s manna on Friday the sixth day, unless they had had some previous knowledge of the Sabbath? for Moses had already taught them not to “leave any of it until the morning” -v.19 The 20th verse shows that the Sabbath had not yet come since their receiving the manna, because it spoiled and “bred worms by the next morning;” whereas, on the Sabbath morning it was found sweet and edible -24th v. This was the thirtieth day after leaving Egypt (1st v.) and twenty days before it was given on Sinai. The weekly Sabbath then was appointed before this or before the days of Moses. Where was it then? Answer, in the second chapter of Genesis and no where else; and the same week on which the manna fell, the weekly Sabbath was revived among or with God’s chosen people. Grotius tells us “that the memory of the creation’s being performed in seven days, was preserved not only among the Greeks and Italians, but among the Celts and Indians.” Other writers say Assyrians, Egyptians, Arabians, Britons and Germans, all of whom divide their time into weeks. Philo says “the Sabbath is not peculiar to any one people or country, but is common to all the world.” Josephus states “that there is no city either of Greeks or barbarians or any other nation , where the religion of the Sabbath is not known.” But as they, like the great mass of God’s professed people in christendom, paid little or no heed to what God had said about the particular day, (except the Jews, and a few others) they (as we are informed in history) adopted peculiar days to suit themselves, viz: the christian nations chose to obey the Pope of Rome, who changed the seventh day Sabbath to the first day, and call it the holy Sabbath; the Persians selected Monday; the Grecians Tuesday; the Assyrians Wednesday; the Egyptians Thursday; the Turks Friday, and the Jews the seventh day, Saturday, as God had commanded. Three standing miracles a week, for about forty years annually, ought to perpetuate the Sabbath. 1st, double the quantity of manna on the sixth day; 2nd, none on the seventh; 3rd, did not spoil on the seventh day. If it does not matter which day you keep holy to the Lord, then all these nations are right. Now reflect one moment on this, and then open your bible and read the commandment of the God of all these nations! “REMEMBER! (what you have been taught before) the Sabbath day to keep it holy;” (which day is it Lord?) “ The SEVENTH is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou not thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man servant nor thy maid servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger, that is within thy gates.” Who is the stranger? (Gentiles.) Now the reason for it will carry us back again to Paradise. “ For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested on the SEVENTH; wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it .” “Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations for a perpetual covenant ; it is a SIGN between me and the children of Israel forever . (Why is it Lord?) “ For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the SEVENTH day he rested and was refreshed .” Exodus 20 and 21 Which day now will you choose? O, says the reader, the seventh if I knew which of the days it was. If you don’t know, why are you so sure that the first day is right? O, because the history of the world has settled that, and this is the most we can know. Very well then, does not the seventh come the day before the eighth? If we have not got the days of the week right now, it is not likely that we ever shall. God does not require of us any more than what we know; by that we shall be judged. Luke 23:55, 56 {SC1 5.1} Once more: think you that the spirit of God ever directed Moses when he was giving the history of the creation of the world, to write that he (God) “blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because that in it he had rested from all his work,” unless he meant it to be dated from that very day? Why, this is as clear to the unbiased mind as it is that God created man the sixth day. Would it not be the height of absurdity to attempt to prove that God only intended Adam should be created at some future period, or that the creation of the heavens and earth was not in the beginning, but some twenty-five hundred years afterward? All this would be as cogent reasoning as it would be to argue that God did not intend this day of rest should commence until about twenty-five hundred years afterwards. (The word Sabbath signifies rest.) {SC1 7.1} It follows then irresistibly, that the weekly Sabbath was not made for the Jews only, (but as Jesus says, for ‘man’) for the Jews had no existence until more than two thousand years after it was established. President Humphrey in his essays on the Sabbath says, “That he (God) instituted it when he rested from all his work, on the seventh day of the first week, and gave it primarily to our first parents, and through them to all their posterity; that the observance of it was enjoined upon the children of Israel soon after they left Egypt, not in the form of a new enactment, but as an ancient institution which was far from being forgotten, though it had doubtless been greatly neglected under the cruel domination of their heathen masters; that it was reenacted with great pomp and solemnity, and written in stone by the finger of God at Sinai; that the sacred institution then took the form of a statute, with explicit prohibitions and requirements, and has never been repealed or altered since; that it can never expire of itself, because it has no limitation.” {SC1 7.2} In Deuteronomy 7:6-8 , God gives his reasons for selecting the Jews to keep his covenant in preference to any other nation; only seventy at first Deuteronomy 10:22 . God calls it his “Sabbath,” and refers us right back to the creation for proof. “For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth and sea, and all that in them is, and rested on the seventh,” etc. Here then we stand fixed by the immutable law of God, and the word of Jesus, that “the Sabbath was made for man!” Paul says, “there is no respect of persons with God.” Romans 2:11 . Isaiah shows us plainly that the Jew is not the only one to be blessed for keeping the Sabbath. He says “Blessed is the man (are not the Gentiles men) that keepeth the Sabbath from polluting it.” “Also the sons of the stranger, (who are these if they are not Gentiles?) every one that keepeth the Sabbath from polluting it, (does he mean me? yes, every Gentile in the universe, or else he respects persons) even them will I bring to my holy mountain and make them joyful in my house of prayer; for my house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.” Isaiah 56:2, 6, 7. If this promise is not to the Gentile as well as the Jew, then “ the house of prayer for all people.” is no promise to the Gentile. {SC1 7.3} Now we ask, if God has ever abrogated the law of the Sabbath? If he has it can easily be found. We undertake to say without fear of contradiction, he has not made any such record in the bible; but to the contrary, he calls it a perpetual covenant, a “sign between me and the children of Israel forever,” for the reason that he rested on the seventh day. Exodus 31:16, 17. Says one, has not the ceremonial law been annulled and nailed to the cross? Yes, but what of that? Why then the Sabbath must be abolished, for Paul to say that the seventh day Sabbath was made void or nailed to the cross at the crucifixion, when he never intended any such change; if he did, he certainly would have deceived the inhabitants of Jerusalem, in the promise which he made them about two thousand four hundred and forty-six years ago! Turn now to Jeremiah 17:25 , and tell me if he did not promise the inhabitants of Jerusalem that their city should remain forever if they would hallow the Sabbath day. Now suppose the inhabitants of Jerusalem had entered into this agreement, and entailed it upon their posterity (because you see it could not have been fulfilled unless it had continued from generation to generation,) to keep the Sabbath holy, would not God have been bound to let Jerusalem remain forever? You say yes. Well, then, I ask you to shew how he could have kept that promise inviolate if he intended in less than six hundred and fifty years to change this seventh day Sabbath, and call the first day of the week the Sabbath, or abolish it altogether? I say, therefore, if there has been any change one way or the other in the Sabbath, since that promise, it would be impossible to understand any other promise in the Bible; how much more reasonable to believe God than man. If men will allow themselves to believe the monstrous absurdity that FOREVER, as in this promise, ended at the resurrection, then they can easily believe that the Sabbath was changed from the seventh to the first day of the week. Or if they choose the other extreme, abolished until the people of God should awake to be clothed on with immortality. Hebrews 4:9 . {SC1 8.1} Now does it not appear plain that the Sabbath is from God, and that it is coeval and co-extensive (as is the institution of marriage) with the world. That it is without limitation; that there is not one thus saith the Lord that it ever was or ever will be abolished, in time or eternity. See Exodus 31:16, 17 ; and Isaiah 66:22, 24 ; Hebrews 4:4, 9. But let us return and look at the subject as we have commenced in the light of Paul’s argument to the Romans and Colossians, for here is where all writers on this subject, for the change or the overthrow of the seventh day Sabbath attempt to draw their strong arguments. The second question then, is this: {SC |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by Nobody: 4:03pm On Mar 16, 2020 |
blueAgent: I see the picture you want to paint. It is true that Daniel was judged from a law orchestrated by his enemies. Christ did die unjustly. however, there are differences that made the point not remarkable for me. 1. Daniel did not die for humans nor for his fellow Israelites. He was not even thrown into the den for the sin of anybody. 2. Daniel did sin against the Law of Persia that was newly enacted, although it was a witch-hunt. Christ did not sin against the law of God. 3. The law God gave the Israelites was changed.The Persian does not change. True, you say that the one that ended was the Mosaic law. Even at that, it was God that gave that law. 1 Like |
Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by blueAgent(m): 4:21pm On Mar 16, 2020 |
JMAN05: The purpose of that article was to demonstrate God's justice and mercy. The Mede's do not change their law, so also God could not change his law to save man or his son. How was the 10commandments or law given to the Isaeralites changed? Is auldtery,stealing,killing,liaring, using the name of God in vain, bowing to Idols, and all other 10laws no longer sin? If the law was changed can we now kill others? |
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