The Yoruba we speak today is over 50% kemitic Egyptian, yet it is classified as Niger Congo. The pidgin English spoken in Nigeria today maybe classified as Niger Congo in 2000 years.

absoluteSuccess:






LOL, do you have to guess after I have my link to the facebook profile on my older thread where you are a contributor? Your style of lying is of ivy league university class. No wonder thrash started coming to my facebook timeline once I added you as friend, only God know the extent you wont go with your penchant for hatred.

And thank you for weeping for me, I've discovered my "place of primary assignment" in Yoruba oral tradition, and I am very committed to it. It serves me more than all the great jobs and degree in this world and I have burn all my certificates for the pearl that I have found in Yoruba tradition, keep the key to your harvard.



Go back to my post and read very well I know how taking ones point out of context is important to you. I am only giving constructive critism on education and a caveat to taking 'false history' as gospel truth in Yoruba history.

It does not take a magician to know that you have no specialised education nor regard for methodology, what a university trained individual would have developed.
You are only seeking relevance and testing the waters thinking history is an easy discipline to milk with imaginary tales and word plays that don't add up ie. "Aramean is Oranmiyan", "Ebora is Abraham", "Edo is Edomite" and all that. Unfortunately there's no money for you to make but you might mislead unsuspecting readers and no lover of knowledge or educator should be ok with that
Me your facebook friend?
You must think I ever pay you any regard

lawani:
The Yoruba we speak today is over 50% kemitic Egyptian, yet it is classified as Niger Congo. The pidgin English spoken in Nigeria today maybe classified as Niger Congo in 2000 years.

that is not how historical linguistics work

Pidgin English can't be Niger-Congo because despite local words in pidgin, it's diachronic nature is simply not related to other Niger - Congo languages.
What you mean might be that pidgin English gets dropped after greatly influencing a Niger-Congo language

Take the Turkish language for example, it is a turkic language that the Turks adopted after a possible switch from a Farsi related language... Hence cognate words are found in Farsi and Turkish... A relic from the time before the Turks spoke Turkish
Another example is Norman French which when the Vikings switched to French retained some Norse words


So if Yoruba people ever spoke Egyptian/Kemetic, we must have switched to a different language
Same applies to those who think Yoruba language is semitic

Of course in all of this there's no evidence that Yoruba language even has any Kemitic or Semitic inheritance

macof:
that is not how historical linguistics work

Pidgin English can't be Niger-Congo because despite local words in pidgin, it's diachronic nature is simply not related to other Niger - Congo languages.
What you mean might be that pidgin English gets dropped after greatly influencing a Niger-Congo language

Take the Turkish language for example, it is a turkic language that the Turks adopted after a possible switch from a Farsi related language... Hence cognate words are found in Farsi and Turkish... A relic from the time before the Turks spoke Turkish
Another example is Norman French which when the Vikings switched to French retained some Norse words


So if Yoruba people ever spoke Egyptian/Kemetic, we must have switched to a different language
Same applies to those who think Yoruba language is semitic

Of course in all of this there's no evidence that Yoruba language even has any Kemitic or Semitic inheritance

I am surprised you don't know the Yoruba we speak is over 50% kemitic Egyptian by vocabulary. What I call kemitic Egyptian is what olu317 calls ancient Hebrew.

lawani:
I am surprised you don't know the Yoruba we speak is over 50% kemitic Egyptian by vocabulary. What I call kemitic Egyptian is what olu317 calls ancient Hebrew.

Nobody can know this without evidence oga
Lets not water down what it means to "know" something
If you THINK Yoruba people ever spoke Kemitic Egyptian, that one is your own o but there's no evidence of that and I think study of yoruba language has gone so far that if Egyptian influence was over 50% like you say it should be obvious and very easy to highlight

And what you call Egyptian is not what he calls Hebrew. Both languages are two distinct languages not even in the same immediate language family

absoluteSuccess:
@nlposter you might really enjoy this: I cant find the post where you and metaphysical were conversing on tribal mark. i think I came about a crucial understanding of an aspect of the tribal mark of the yoruba people. enjoy it.

The Origin Of Yoruba Tribal Mark

When the Yoruba folks sees a man or woman that has just been bereaved of either of his parents, they says "omo oloku, abaja lorun.' What on earth does that mean? We have to travel back in time through the Yoruba bloodline to connect the Yoruba ancestors because we wont get the root of this through the doors of the university.

If I'm correct, they would throw a band on the neck of the person so referred anytime he or she returns to the midst of friends. Let's take the band or yoke as symbolic. However, abaja is the "yoke", its the word for a yoke in a language known to the ancient Yoruba. Since the word is not accesible in Yoruba descriptive semantics, its proto Youba.

What does this tradition tries to symbolize? All we have to do is search through history to see where a yoke is on the neck of a man or beast of burden during burial. Well, its possible this symbolizes the burial procession of rich aristocrats in any nearby culture where beasts of burden serves as cart puller.

Well, thats the tradition in the ancient Egypt and the Levant. History told of how Herod almost killed himself when the cart carrying his mother to Nabatea tumbled and flung the poor woman to the ground. He's earlier buried his father in such progression.

However, cart does not exist in ancient Yoruba that settled in west Africa, as beast of burden never pull a cart in Yoruba tradition known to us.
It's impossible to device such in a tropical rain forest. Howeverr, this could have been a tradition of the Yoruba tracing back to stone age, which has lapsed before the Yoruba came to settle here in west Africa.

They may have brought horses through the sea, but it never survived. The Yoruba cavalry men, the onikoyi were renown horsemen right from inception. But the Eshinlokun, by name means, 'horse-marines', were probably the original horsemen drafted into the Yoruba marines of old.

This implies that the Yoruba were familiar with the horse long enough in their history before it later came through the sahel to foster the prosperity of the Oyo empire. Just the same way they're familiar with the cart but no longer have it.

The Tribal Mark

One of the tribal mark known to adorn the cheeks of the Yoruba is so called "abaja". Every of the different marks have their unique names, but gombo, keke and abaja looks similar. Indeed, tribal mark is known as Ila in Yoruba, and may have been invented by the Alabe.

Now this is the point: if abaja is a yoke, it follows that iko olokun eshin is a descriptive phrase from the same imagination.

iko is akin to ikola, iko means hook, olokun, having rope, eshin, horse. Abaja derived from the same source as the hook, rope or cart. I really do not know which, but Aja may be Yoruba for cart.

This is because they did not have the cart brought down to Yorubaland, but they used to know it. A good proof of this is the term "keke", it means cart. Yet, it is a variant of abaja. So keke is a "mercedes" while abaja is 'limousine'. Since Keke is a variation of abaja, both were an ancient craft.

We can now break the code. A particular type of the Yoruba tribal mark (such as you have in onila's dp) depicts the cart; the frame and the two lines that will form when the wheel is drawn on the ground. This is known as Keke.

The meaning of this on the cheek of the Yoruba is to tell the Yoruba beholder that the fellow bearing the mark hails from the aristocratic family of their people and should be accorded due respect due to such.

Aina

indeed, the cart is the private jet of its time. Aina was drawn in the same, as we've earlier encountered her personality. The purpose of the tribal mark was to "impress" cart on the consciousness of the Yoruba psyche when they no longer have it, so that the bearer can be accorded due respect as a princeling.

It does not intend to immortalize cart per se, but to depict opulence that "baba mi l'eshinle kan" sort of. That simply implies that the original tribal mark of the Yoruba was meant to depict cart, (or opulence) and gradually it began to depict what we may not also know for now.

There are intangible things that the ancient Yoruba have telling of their origin, one of them is the concept of the tribal mark and we may have just come to the root of it.

I got wind of the real meaning of abaja in the course of the day. A-ba-ja. The term means "the bearer of fighter".

Thus, Keke is a luxury cart while abaja implies 'armoured personnel cart'. Put more aptly, abaja is the ancient Yoruba for chariot.

Back to the time of the siege of Samaria, the prophet foretold the event of the next day...

King James Bible
Then a lord on whose hand the king leaned answered the man of God, and said, Behold, if the LORD would make windows in heaven, might this thing be? And he said, Behold, thou shalt see it with thine eyes, but shalt not eat thereof.
2Kings 7:2.

What we are particular about here is"the man on whose hand the king leaned".

He was the armour bearer for the King on his chariot. He is what the Yoruba would call akoda, swordman. He helps the king maintain balance while he prosecute warfare on his chariot.

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macof:

It does not take a magician to know that you have no specialised education nor regard for methodology, what a university trained individual would have developed.

Again, I will tell you that adding "Niger Congo" (from Greenberg) and "4000 years" ago (from John Hunter-Duvar) and matching it up with some place names in Yoruba as "The origin of the Yoruba people" is a "history" that a university professor would have "developed" for your kind.

It's scandalous.

If that's education to you, better keep it and keep the gate shot eternally to me. I am confidence in the oral records of the Yoruba, I don't need to ask for your permission to choose my convictions.

You are only seeking relevance and testing the waters thinking history is an easy discipline to milk with imaginary tales and word plays that don't add up ie. "Aramean is Oranmiyan", "Ebora is Abraham", "Edo is Edomite" and all that.

I have infested your brain. What I can remember from you is "methods", "Niger Congo", "linguistics", "anthropology", and horde of insults. You claim to know but your knowledge is stuck somewhere.

All you do here is fight with watery basics. You lack hold on any Yoruba tradition, only grammar, polemics and insults. You have no joy because you have nothing that gives you one, so you must rob others of their own.

Unfortunately there's no money for you to make but you might mislead unsuspecting readers and no lover of knowledge or educator should be ok with that

My confidence is backed up by my background: omo iwaju oloko tii s'owo. The Yoruba explorers of old were paid for their works of exploration and discoveries as that piece portends, I will earn healthy profit from my talk about them. You have no need to cry over this na.

Me your facebook friend?
You must think I ever pay you any regard

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I thought you used to have a counter thread to this one? Did you ever smell me opening it? So it's not enough to do your bidding, why pay me any regards being on my thread when you are that grandiose?

Bro, I don't think I'm doing this to rob you of your fame. You are a pathological case and a gay, can you please get behind me, devil?

I know you have subtle means of making your wrong turn to right. Please from now on, pay me no regards. I am writing from my ancestral pedegree. I am not ashame of it. Please live your life and let me live mine, dirty psychopath.

Oriki As 'Domestic Rite' Dating Back To Yoruba Origin

My grandma was Ohori, and in the Levant we have the Horites. Her oriki goes thus: "Jaka ara 'weme, omoba tente lori omi".

Weme means "people of the book", omoba tente lori omi means "progeny of the king on the surface of the sea".

The Horites were the original people that inhabited Edom, where did they went? Here we have Hori who claimed to have came through the sea.

My maternal grandpa was Fon: and a line in this family pedegree goes thus: "aho mede yonwe, nyon en, aho mede gbewe, n gbe eh":

The family trace back to Ahoru Jaka, and the people pride themselves as "Waenu" meaning "people of the grey haired couple" fuwa or ewu is owa in Fon, meaning grey hair.

What do their oriki implies? To the Fon, oriki means "Ako" which is ultimately from Yoruba, where the word means "pride". Therefore, the wae-agomenu (where I hailed from) pride themselves as

"atin gragra no donu dawata, aho degbato masiken, aho mede yonwe nyon en, aho mede gbewe ngbeh e'

That's such a meaningful piece: a despiteful stick is sounding to become a sought after merchandise, the royal that crush civilizations is wary of no foe: royal who knows you, I know him, royal who forsake you I foresook"

The tetgrammation

The name of God among my mom's lineage is Jehweh, and among the Fon, "Yahwehnor" is their word for "man of God". This is the sacred tetgrammation with the Hebrew. So all this are mere coincidence?

However, it doesn't mean they were followers of Judaism. They have their own totem called "manumanu" or "dagbe". It's the root for Dahome, meaning home of the boa. The totem is called "baba", meaning "father".

The people of the book

This folks were conversant with the tradition of the people of the book too: it's featured in their praise for their totem, Odan (serpent), and it says,

"Yan bio me wema ton, o baba o, o lese" meaning "pursued into the people of the book, the father, he can do it". Do we have a people of the book in Niger Congo antiquity, I will like to know, but until then, Phoenicians have it.

The people of the book were Canaanites, Byblos. This are good tradition or starters. Some have no pedegree, but I have and I'm exercising authority based on my pedegree. I am born in history bro.

There's no rule against finding out what you want to know from your antiquity in your oriki, which compares to "origin" in English. Both would have been cognates if you want.

Satanic bantu, get thee behind me.

macof:


Nobody can know this without evidence oga
Lets not water down what it means to "know" something
If you THINK Yoruba people ever spoke Kemitic Egyptian, that one is your own o but there's no evidence of that and I think study of yoruba language has gone so far that if Egyptian influence was over 50% like you say it should be obvious and very easy to highlight

And what you call Egyptian is not what he calls Hebrew. Both languages are two distinct languages not even in the same immediate language family

I don't know how to use this android phone to post links but you can search with keywords yorubic itsekiri Obama, you will find a work written by some itsekiri writers in 2010. I don't agree with all they say though but it serves to show the link between Yoruba and kemitic Egyptian.

absoluteSuccess:


Again, I will tell you that adding "Niger Congo" (from Greenberg) and "4000 years" ago (from John Hunter-Duvar) and matching it up with some place names in Yoruba as "The origin of the Yoruba people" is a "history" that a university professor would have "developed" for your kind.

It's scandalous.

If that's education to you, better keep it and keep the gate shot eternally to me. I am confidence in the oral records of the Yoruba, I don't need to ask for your permission to choose my convictions.



I have infested your brain. What I can remember from you is "methods", "Niger Congo", "linguistics", "anthropology", and horde of insults. You claim to know but your knowledge is stuck somewhere.

All you do here is fight with watery basics. You lack hold on any Yoruba tradition, only grammar, polemics and insults. You have no joy because you have nothing that gives you one, so you must rob others of their own.



My confidence is backed up by my background: omo iwaju oloko tii s'owo. The Yoruba explorers of old were paid for their works of exploration and discoveries as that piece portends, I will earn healthy profit from my talk about them. You have no need to cry over this na.




I thought you used to have a counter thread to this one? Did you ever smell me opening it? So it's not enough to do your bidding, why pay me any regards being on my thread when you are that grandiose?

Bro, I don't think I'm doing this to rob you of your fame. You are a pathological case and a gay, can you please get behind me, devil?

I know you have subtle means of making your wrong turn to right. Please from now on, pay me no regards. I am writing from my ancestral pedegree. I am not ashame of it. Please live your life and let me live mine, dirty psychopath.



Oriki As 'Domestic Rite' Dating Back To Yoruba Origin

My grandma was Ohori, and in the Levant we have the Horites. Her oriki goes thus: "Jaka ara 'weme, omoba tente lori omi".

Weme means "people of the book", omoba tente lori omi means "progeny of the king on the surface of the sea".

The Horites were the original people that inhabited Edom, where did they went? Here we have Hori who claimed to have came through the sea.

My maternal grandpa was Fon: and a line in this family pedegree goes thus: "aho mede yonwe, nyon en, aho mede gbewe, n gbe eh":

The family trace back to Ahoru Jaka, and the people pride themselves as "Waenu" meaning "people of the grey haired couple" fuwa or ewu is owa in Fon, meaning grey hair.

What do their oriki implies? To the Fon, oriki means "Ako" which is ultimately from Yoruba, where the word means "pride". Therefore, the wae-agomenu (where I hailed from) pride themselves as

"atin gragra no donu dawata, aho degbato masiken, aho mede yonwe nyon en, aho mede gbewe ngbeh e'

That's such a meaningful piece: a despiteful stick is sounding to become a sought after merchandise, the royal that crush civilizations is wary of no foe: royal who knows you, I know him, royal who forsake you I foresook"

The tetgrammation

The name of God among my mom's lineage is Jehweh, and among the Fon, "Yahwehnor" is their word for "man of God". This is the sacred tetgrammation with the Hebrew. So all this are mere coincidence?

However, it doesn't mean they were followers of Judaism. They have their own totem called "manumanu" or "dagbe". It's the root for Dahome, meaning home of the boa. The totem is called "baba", meaning "father".

The people of the book

This folks were conversant with the tradition of the people of the book too: it's featured in their praise for their totem, Odan (serpent), and it says,

"Yan bio me wema ton, o baba o, o lese" meaning "pursued into the people of the book, the father, he can do it". Do we have a people of the book in Niger Congo antiquity, I will like to know, but until then, Phoenicians have it.

The people of the book were Canaanites, Byblos. This are good tradition or starters. Some have no pedegree, but I have and I'm exercising authority based on my pedegree. I am born in history bro.

There's no rule against finding out what you want to know from your antiquity in your oriki, which compares to "origin" in English. Both would have been cognates if you want.



Satanic bantu, get thee behind me.

How to sight a fraud.

WOW friends!

Already I'm a month behind schedule. Have to go back to the bookwork. God help me.

Setting a time inclined goal must take in the SMAT process. We don't have more than a lifetime.

Perhaps if the info I promised could make it into the book, you might have to get a copy to learn more.

If not, I'll have to share it here or it comes in book 2, the tradition of Ajalorun is connected to the timeline of the oriki Eletu Iwase.

Yoruba tradition is a great source of scientific insights.

May it never die.

lawani:
I don't know how to use this android phone to post links but you can search with keywords yorubic itsekiri Obama, you will find a work written by some itsekiri writers in 2010. I don't agree with all they say though but it serves to show the link between Yoruba and kemitic Egyptian.

didn't find anything though

This thread is an embarrassment to Yoruba heritage

kayfra:
This thread is an embarrassment to Yoruba heritage

...whose ancestors were Charles Darwin's 'great ape' or Greenberg's "[proto]Bantu" proper.

What do I know without a university degree

Macof

Bloody clown
Linguistics and historians are wrong despite the evidence
But a Jobless frat like yourself who has been debunked time and time again is correct. You have failed to make a superior argument yet wish to be accorded superior respect

It's interesting how persistent you are in your phantom expertise and onerous debunkery business. Do you roll in as multipurpose linguistic and historian here?

So, "Niger Congo" and "late Stone Age" are debunkery of my claims? Or slamming my posts with "furgery" and what's not a debunkery?

You can never think out of the box or box me up in your convenient convictions. Your claims are your views, not fact. No one argues with fact. So, your education is not my education, so just keep your lane.

I have never mocked any oriki. I mocked your interpretation of it as an obsessed attempt to link Yoruba to Hebrews. Nothing in the Eletu Iwase oriki connects the family to Hebrews
What's more you try to apply the oriki of a single family to the origin of all Yoruba. How dumb is that

Well it's because you are not Yoruba. If you are, you would know that when Yoruba says "nigba Iwase" they were referring to "the inception".

Now that you know, don't mesmerize, just give another better word for this in your findings or understanding. Use it to butress your next points.

If a section of the Yoruba, a family for that matter has a credible contribution to add to the memoirs of the antiquity of the Yoruba, would it be dumb to categorize the entry in a time suitable to the PLOT of the oriki?

@the bolded, by the name of the family in question, Eletu Iwase means "coordinator of the arrival at inception". If you have a better meaning, offer it.

So, how do you expect me to understand this about the oriki and still fail to see that the pioneer of that family line played a crucial role at the inception of Yoruba?

I am not the one doing the talking, the oriki is my guide. The patriarch was long gone but a family kept the memoirs, others might be descended here that have lost connection.

Many leaders were on the ships of the founding fathers, and we have contacted the family whose father captained the ship. Oduduwa was not everything Yoruba. There were others too.

Even members of the Eletu Iwase and Eletu Odibo families in Lagos who have the "ọmọ odiyan" in their oriki have never claimed to be from Israel or Jordan or anywhere in the middle East but some frat wants to use their oriki to say something that isn't there

And "omo oyinbo f'oju orun s'ona" means that they were trying to establish their confidence in "Niger Congo linguistics" and had never had contact with any other race talkless of spotting a mention of such in their pedegree?

What stops them from mentioning a place like Fon or Igbo that better butress your point? How did I implied Odiyan means Israel or Jordan or anywhere in the middle East?

Instead of searching for a parralel (oriki Eletu odibo) and referring us further to "what we cannot see" as "fact", kindly do us a favor,

1. Pick the one you have and tell us what it's plot is all about,

2. Compare it's content with that of the parralel if necessary.

At some point, history calls on folk tradition. Let's see how your proficiency solve this traditional problem. It's not Everytime you have to insults, sometimes you delve into tradition.

You talk of METHODOLOGY very often, apply it on this piece as an authority.

macof:


Confused nincompoop. You have no idea of anything in this world
So it is religion/spirituality that determines language classifications Not syntax, not vocabulary, not Semantics but religion
The religion/spirituality in question that is also very steeped in West Africa and similar to that of yoruba neighbours.
What a dumb fuvk, a disgrace to the Ọbàlùfọ̀n you claim to descend from
So in your mind Yoruba spirituality is not related to that of the Igbo or Fon or other West Africans but rather similar to Judaism/Yahwism of the Hebrews

Unfortunately for you, Yoruba is a Niger-Congo language

Retard Bantus Do you know the essence of religion in human evolution ..At what point did yoruba break away from Niger congo batoid..40,000yrs or what .?laughing caged brain some much believe all junk written by white people that can still be disproved later .. read books written by African scholars

2prexios:


It's interesting how persistent you are in your phantom expertise and onerous debunkery business. Do you roll in as multipurpose linguistic and historian here?

So, "Niger Congo" and "late Stone Age" are debunkery of my claims? Or slamming my posts with "furgery" and what's not a debunkery?

You can never think out of the box or box me up in your convenient convictions. Your claims are your views, not fact. No one argues with fact. So, your education is not my education, so just keep your lane.



Well it's because you are not Yoruba. If you are, you would know that when Yoruba says "nigba Iwase" they were referring to "the inception".

Now that you know, don't mesmerize, just give another better word for this in your findings or understanding. Use it to butress your next points.

If a section of the Yoruba, a family for that matter has a credible contribution to add to the memoirs of the antiquity of the Yoruba, would it be dumb to categorize the entry in a time suitable to the PLOT of the oriki?

@the bolded, by the name of the family in question, Eletu Iwase means "coordinator of the arrival at inception". If you have a better meaning, offer it.

So, how do you expect me to understand this about the oriki and still fail to see that the pioneer of that family line played a crucial role at the inception of Yoruba?

I am not the one doing the talking, the oriki is my guide. The patriarch was long gone but a family kept the memoirs, others might be descended here that have lost connection.

Many leaders were on the ships of the founding fathers, and we have contacted the family whose father captained the ship. Oduduwa was not everything Yoruba. There were others too.



And "omo oyinbo f'oju orun s'ona" means that they were trying to establish their confidence in "Niger Congo linguistics" and had never had contact with any other race talkless of spotting a mention of such in their pedegree?

What stops them from mentioning a place like Fon or Igbo that better butress your point? How did I implied Odiyan means Israel or Jordan or anywhere in the middle East?

Instead of searching for a parralel (oriki Eletu odibo) and referring us further to "what we cannot see" as "fact", kindly do us a favor,

1. Pick the one you have and tell us what it's plot is all about,

2. Compare it's content with that of the parralel if necessary.

At some point, history calls on folk tradition. Let's see how your proficiency solve this traditional problem. It's not Everytime you have to insults, sometimes you delve into tradition.

You talk of METHODOLOGY very often, apply it on this piece as an authority.

you had posted this before and I ignored it being another useless irrelevant post which you are known for
Editing it to mention me to it doesn't make it less useless

I have addressed everything here from the importance of having a methodology and taking folk traditions seriously to what language families are all about. Thinking outside the box does not mean dismiss every fact and present delusions in its place. You are not thinking outside any box, you don't even understand or know what the box is
Coming from a dullard who couldn't comprehend what the idea of Green sahara is or any other thing you jump on to attack

Neither Oriki nor any form of yoruba traditions is your "guide" you have here on this very thread proclaimed Yoruba traditions wrong when you cannot overstretch Hebrew into it. The Eletu in question traces his origin in that oriki to Benin and not Edom or Jordan or Israel. And nothing implies the act of migration in the words "Eletu Iwase".. And even if we start talking about migration, why Semitic people, chiefly Hebrews?
When you are obsessed with Hebrews you want to see them reflected everywhere

I have also taught you severally that saying Yoruba are local West Africans doesn't mean Yoruba are uncivilised. Africans are not uncivilised people who need the middle East to "have a history"
But of course a relevance-seeking-know-nothing cannot get it and would rather keep running in circles

Obalufon:


Retard Bantus Do you know the essence of religion in human evolution ..At what point did yoruba break away from Niger congo batoid..40,000yrs or what .?laughing caged brain some much believe all junk written by white people that can still be disproved later .. read books written by African scholars

1. Languages are not grouped by the religion of the people.
2. Yorùbá religion/spirituality is not of the middle East but very West African

oh do tell me what books you have ever read in this your life
If only you knew how dumb you are

macof:


1. Languages are not grouped by the religion of the people.
2. Yorùbá religion/spirituality is not of the middle East but very West African

oh do tell me what books you have ever read in this your life
If only you knew how dumb you are

me dumb says macof bantu pikin accepted .i know nothing ,,speaking big grammar and all the junks you have accumulated in your small brain doesn't make you smart”.i am laughing Mr macof you have caged brain you are castigating people that are thinking out of the box.. Knowledge is not static

macof:
you had posted this before and I ignored it being another useless irrelevant post which you are known for
Editing it to mention me to it doesn't make it less useless

I don't know what you are referring to here bro. Yoruba dun l'ede, baaba ka eru, inu eru a baje. You are not Yoruba, so I understand your frustrations.

I have addressed everything here from the importance of having a methodology and taking folk traditions seriously to what language families are all about.

How does methodology became a crucial subject on this thread brother? You don't often get it when I push you to the edge of your intellect. "Methodology" is a "process", not "result".

You apply a process to get results. How I wish you understand the difference. A good instance present itself to you earlier, but you blow it with the need to be a 'phantom authority'.

It's not methodology that's the next port of call. It''s appraisal and classification. You seem to be stuck to the word and failed to learn further.

Classification And Appraisal

You can classify an oriki by it's literary specifics as inherent in it's content and plot of it's composition to enable valid appraisal on it's historical importance.

Methodology was the word I first used here replying you at page 3, at page 42, it enter into your lexicon and recently, it's your validation for development of history by a university product. History is not all about this register, you can talk about something else.

Folk tradition derived from a group of people on their own, the details are transmitted orally or otherwise through the culture, and it gets to the receiver at the other end of time.

There's no methodology about this other than mouth to mouth transmission of ancestral pedegree. This was how oriki get to us.

Must everything be endlessly enslaved to methodology?

Thinking outside the box does not mean dismiss every fact and present delusions in its place. You are not thinking outside any box, you don't even understand or know what the box is

Well the box you operates from is apparent to me. Your character defines you: your SKA Skill, Knowledge and Attitude is the feedback from rational reactions to the Hamitic theory of the last century.

This theory produced a historical activism in you as in many and people react to it differently. People are unique and your angle is a good example of this.

Coming from a dullard who couldn't comprehend what the idea of Green sahara is or any other thing you jump on to attack

Well sorry if I've attacked you. What do I know when all I know is that I don't know anything. Tell me what Green Sahara means. Seems history depends on it.

Neither Oriki nor any form of yoruba traditions is your "guide" you have here on this very thread proclaimed Yoruba traditions wrong when you cannot overstretch Hebrew into it.

Kindly call my attention to it. How do I come to that conclusion? Except you want me to buy any junk that cannot be validated by another tradition as pristine tradition.

The Eletu in question traces his origin in that oriki to Benin and not Edom or Jordan or Israel. And nothing implies the act of migration in the words "Eletu Iwase"..

My brother, you are not Yoruba, so don't bother your head trying to teach me my language. But if you must do, Yoruba is a tonal language, try interpret the word to suit your argument. Then give us your version.

That's the deal. I am waiting.

And even if we start talking about migration, why Semitic people, chiefly Hebrews?
When you are obsessed with Hebrews you want to see them reflected everywhere

Well I don't know how to get you to understand. Let's say the history of the Yoruba has some entries that matches with the history of the Levant in place names, this create double entry in human history.

If such come across to you as phenomenal, you are at liberty to write about it to further the understanding of knowledge enthusiasts. The same thing may be thrash to another person.

It's the same thing that inspired at first the interest in Indo-European language, which spiralled down to Greenberg work and classification of the language in linguistics. I never learn this from you, but now you know.

This gives a hypothetical framework of the original language that the people so classified could have spoken originally. Note "hypothetical".

If you have scientific background, you should know that idea moves from observation to hypothesis then to theory and if unchallenged, it becomes a principle. Your own is from observation to principle.

I have also taught you severally that saying Yoruba are local West Africans doesn't mean Yoruba are uncivilised. Africans are not uncivilised people who need the middle East to "have a history"

This is the core of your intellect. You need not teach me your worldview. Rather, it's like saying "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder". I don't equate "emigration" to "civilization". You are aware of your limitations, not mine.

I know things are hard for you to swallow. I duly respect every source of Yoruba tradition and do not buy into seeking from the Oduduwa stories to validate my findings, but from common Yoruba tradition. So, I don't share the imperial bug.

I don't peddle Hamitic theory, I never claimed some people mixed up with the Yoruba. I said Yoruba ancestors emigrated from the Levant, I know that's breathtaking, kajiko? Hence the Yoruba claims to be "omo anibi ni Iran."

The Yoruba Civilization

Civilization is human property. Civilization is part of the characteristics of man. Every human being that gathers and agree to common purpose and fraternity are already on the way to building a civilization thousands of years ago.

The moment the Yoruba ancestors migrated from the Levant, a civilization is borne. Wherever they anchored, they become a civilization and since they were derived from earlier civilization, you have token from such in their culture.

But of course a relevance-seeking-know-nothing cannot get it and would rather keep running in circles

Thanks.

macof:
that is not how historical linguistics work

Pidgin English can't be Niger-Congo because despite local words in pidgin, it's diachronic nature is simply not related to other Niger - Congo languages.
What you mean might be that pidgin English gets dropped after greatly influencing a Niger-Congo language

Take the Turkish language for example, it is a turkic language that the Turks adopted after a possible switch from a Farsi related language... Hence cognate words are found in Farsi and Turkish... A relic from the time before the Turks spoke Turkish
Another example is Norman French which when the Vikings switched to French retained some Norse words


So if Yoruba people ever spoke Egyptian/Kemetic, we must have switched to a different language
Same applies to those who think Yoruba language is semitic

Of course in all of this there's no evidence that Yoruba language even has any Kemitic or Semitic inheritance

Your examples are Turkish, Vikings, Norse and French when you are dealing with a Niger Congo linguistics. So no worthy examples within the linguistic family?

You are a good 'electronic historian', you have no intelligence to postulate instances in the languages you claim to know so much about.

But you know everything about distance languages that you can draw instance from such to explain your blind spot.

Your blind spot is that you are not versed in any indigenous language that you can't figure out online.

Africa is not uncivilized not like ibos that are well known documented cannibals and naked people . you have to be specific because Africa are not the same..like the way your white master says negro is different from Africa," laughing "Are you negro or Africa with lips plate or hairy ass ... Asked you several times what do you know about Senegalese, bornu ,mande ,bariba soninke tribe. hausa , Fulani. Dogon. and Why most Mediterranean have DNA admixture of Senegalese in them even southern Italy some italian have Senegalese DNA as high as 20 % in them and Spain , Portugal also some northern Europeans go and read books by hated African scholars ..Anta diop.

Obalufon:
ibo macof ..

2prexios:


I don't know what you are referring to here bro. Yoruba dun l'ede, baaba ka eru, inu eru a baje. You are not Yoruba, so I understand your frustrations.



How does methodology became a crucial subject on this thread brother? You don't often get it when I push you to the edge of your intellect. "Methodology" is a "process", not "result".

You apply a process to get results. How I wish you understand the difference. A good instance present itself to you earlier, but you blow it with the need to be a 'phantom authority'.

It's not methodology that's the next port of call. It''s appraisal and classification. You seem to be stuck to the word and failed to learn further.

Classification And Appraisal

You can classify an oriki by it's literary specifics as inherent in it's content and plot of it's composition to enable valid appraisal on it's historical importance.

Methodology was the word I first used here replying you at page 3, at page 42, it enter into your lexicon and recently, it's your validation for development of history by a university product. History is not all about this register, you can talk about something else.

Folk tradition derived from a group of people on their own, the details are transmitted orally or otherwise through the culture, and it gets to the receiver at the other end of time.

There's no methodology about this other than mouth to mouth transmission of ancestral pedegree. This was how oriki get to us.

Must everything be endlessly enslaved to methodology?



Well the box you operates from is apparent to me. Your character defines you: your SKA Skill, Knowledge and Attitude is the feedback from rational reactions to the Hamitic theory of the last century.

This theory produced a historical activism in you as in many and people react to it differently. People are unique and your angle is a good example of this.



Well sorry if I've attacked you. What do I know when all I know is that I don't know anything. Tell me what Green Sahara means. Seems history depends on it.



Kindly call my attention to it. How do I come to that conclusion? Except you want me to buy any junk that cannot be validated by another tradition as pristine tradition.



My brother, you are not Yoruba, so don't bother your head trying to teach me my language. But if you must do, Yoruba is a tonal language, try interpret the word to suit your argument. Then give us your version.

That's the deal. I am waiting.




Well I don't know how to get you to understand. Let's say the history of the Yoruba has some entries that matches with the history of the Levant in place names, this create double entry in human history.

If such come across to you as phenomenal, you are at liberty to write about it to further the understanding of knowledge enthusiasts. The same thing may be thrash to another person.

It's the same thing that inspired at first the interest in Indo-European language, which spiralled down to Greenberg work and classification of the language in linguistics. I never learn this from you, but now you know.

This gives a hypothetical framework of the original language that the people so classified could have spoken originally. Note "hypothetical".

If you have scientific background, you should know that idea moves from observation to hypothesis then to theory and if unchallenged, it becomes a principle. Your own is from observation to principle.



This is the core of your intellect. You need not teach me your worldview. Rather, it's like saying "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder". I don't equate "emigration" to "civilization". You are aware of your limitations, not mine.

I know things are hard for you to swallow. I duly respect every source of Yoruba tradition and do not buy into seeking from the Oduduwa stories to validate my findings, but from common Yoruba tradition. So, I don't share the imperial bug.

I don't peddle Hamitic theory, I never claimed some people mixed up with the Yoruba. I said Yoruba ancestors emigrated from the Levant, I know that's breathtaking, kajiko? Hence the Yoruba claims to be "omo anibi ni Iran."

The Yoruba Civilization

Civilization is human property. Civilization is part of the characteristics of man. Every human being that gathers and agree to common purpose and fraternity are already on the way to building a civilization thousands of years ago.

The moment the Yoruba ancestors migrated from the Levant, a civilization is borne. Wherever they anchored, they become a civilization and since they were derived from earlier civilization, you have token from such in their culture.



Thanks.

This dullard just likes hyping himself
I am not yoruba so I will not understand? your father is not more Yoruba than me.. Go and ask him for your Hebrew ancestors

I learnt the principle of using a methodology in historical research from you??
No, not my professors, not my studies but some dullard on nairaland who doesn't even respect nor use a methodology

The folk traditions you keep mentioning very well dispel any idea of Hebrew origin, the oriki and sayings do not remotely imply Hebrew connection. Your obsession for Hebrews is so unhealthy and I've said it before that you have never seemed psychological OK
The elders are clear on the fact that Yoruba believe to be the source, not sourced from others
But a dullard who has no single significance is so out seeking for relevance to challenge those who know better than you... Where the case such that your challenge came with points that actually disprove the position of your betters, we would have taken your claims seriously and maybe even awarded you honours for seeing what scholars and elders failed to see

After stating that science is borne of observation and evolves through stages to become fact
You still went ahead to proclaim Yoruba migration from Isreal as if it were a fact
Your so called observations have already been flogged off as obsessions and overstretch. You already have a conclusion and only use word play to attempt to fill the gap between observation and conclusion, basically refusing anything that could lead you away from Hebrews
You are not after facts... You are after Hebrews
You are a fraud and a mentally sick one

2prexios:


Your examples are Turkish, Vikings, Norse and French when you are dealing with a Niger Congo linguistics. So no worthy examples within the linguistic family?

You are a good 'electronic historian', you have no intelligence to postulate instances in the languages you claim to know so much about.

But you know everything about distance languages that you can draw instance from such to explain your blind spot.

Your blind spot is that you are not versed in any indigenous language that you can't figure out online.

Deal with the post if you have anything to say.. Those are valid examples of languages inheriting words and elements from the original language of its native speakers but of course as it doesn't lead to Hebrews you must attack it.. If I had said Osun is Esther oh woah you would have gotten an erection.
Rather than try to look for my blind spot show how that post is wrong if you think it is
Dullard

lawani:
I don't know how to use this android phone to post links but you can search with keywords yorubic itsekiri Obama, you will find a work written by some itsekiri writers in 2010. I don't agree with all they say though but it serves to show the link between Yoruba and kemitic Egyptian.

It seems you think that I am novice of some sort on this subject matter. Sir, I know paleography and I am familiar with written books by Yorubas or Africans or western researchers on Yoruba and even with the so called language of spoken in Egypt at one time or the other. However, kindly answer the following questions if you think Yoruba didn't traveled from Mesoptamia through Egypt and West Africa Nigeria.

1. Why did the Yoruba language you claimed to be Egyptian's not written in hieroglyphs ?

2. Why was a siniatic language different from the real Classic Hebrew found in Egypt ?

3. Why were the headgears of ancient Yoruba kings not like the ones found in Egypt?

4. Do you know the year the language left Egypt ?

5. Why didn't the Egyptian's kings head wear not having birds designed inscription in their crowns ?

6. Why isn't the opa oranmiyan obelisk not classified as Egyptian lettering but Hebrew's?



Let me stop here. And wait for your response .

Olu317:
It seems you think that I am novice of some sort on this subject matter. Sir, I know paleography and I am familiar with written books by Yorubas or Africans or western researchers on Yoruba and even with the so called language of spoken in Egypt at one time or the other. However, kindly answer the following questions if you think Yoruba didn't traveled from Mesoptamia through Egypt and West Africa Nigeria.

1. Why did the Yoruba language you claimed to be Egyptian's not written in hieroglyphs ?

2. Why was a siniatic language different from the real Classic Hebrew found in Egypt ?

3. Why were the headgears of ancient Yoruba kings not like the ones found in Egypt?

4. Do you know the year the language left Egypt ?

5. Why didn't the Egyptian's kings head wear not having birds designed inscription in their crowns ?

6. Why isn't the opa oranmiyan obelisk not classified as Egyptian lettering but Hebrew's?



Let me stop here. And wait for your response .

@lawani
This is not my business as both Egyptian and semitic origin of yoruba holds no water but its interesting how every single one of you who are adamant on a "into West Africa migration of yoruba language and civilization" don't agree on a single point
Everyone is so dependent on their imagination

@olu
Every single question you have here is valid as scrutiny against lawani yet similar questions you cannot answer for your claim on Hebrews

How is it that you become a good critic and wish to be analytic when it came to Egypt but all that drops when it comes to Hebrew
@nlposter, kayfra are you seeing this?

macof:


@lawani
This is not my business as both Egyptian and semitic origin of yoruba holds no water but its interesting how every single one of you who are adamant on a "into West Africa migration of yoruba language and civilization" don't agree on a single point
Everyone is so dependent on their imagination

@olu
Every single question you have here is valid as scrutiny against lawani yet similar questions you cannot answer for your claim on Hebrews

How is it that you become a good critic and wish to be analytic when it came to Egypt but all that drops when it comes to Hebrew
@nlposter, kayfra are you seeing this?

macof, I have answered many questions through my paleography knowledge and the transliteration . But your uncultured vulgar words pisses one off because, you are contesting what you don't have knowledge, which is highly shocking. Therefore, if you want intellectual juxtaposition, then rebrand yourself and I will teach you more on Classic Hebrew's language. In fact,the comparison between the Hebrew block letters that came into use after the Babylonian captivity (that commenced about 586 BC), the proposed original alphabet of "Proto-Hebrew" and the Egyptian Hieroglyphs may have been the basis for many of the letters. (from Douglas Petrovich)

Additionally, the discovery of many other alphabetic inscriptions in the Canaan area dated to the period from 1200-1050 BC helped facilitate the understanding of This lettering and its migration which was also found in Egypt.

Mind you, I am from an ancestor whose is from ‘Oru', which imminent in my general oriki. And it is of good note that,Oru/Or, are true cognate with same in meaning.

macof:


@lawani
This is not my business as both Egyptian and semitic origin of yoruba holds no water but its interesting how every single one of you who are adamant on a "into West Africa migration of yoruba language and civilization" don't agree on a single point
Everyone is so dependent on their imagination

@olu
Every single question you have here is valid as scrutiny against lawani yet similar questions you cannot answer for your claim on Hebrews

How is it that you become a good critic and wish to be analytic when it came to Egypt but all that drops when it comes to Hebrew
@nlposter, kayfra are you seeing this?

Egypt o gbe pali ni

macof:


This dullard just likes hyping himself
I am not yoruba so I will not understand? your father is not more Yoruba than me.. Go and ask him for your Hebrew ancestors

This further proves that you are not Yoruba. However you want to hide by bringing me to insulting you.

I have left that level of conversation. It should be your strength for lack of home training and ethics of public speaking. Nkiise omo irankiran. Baaba ka eru, inu eru a baje.

I learnt the principle of using a methodology in historical research from you??
No, not my professors, not my studies but some dullard on nairaland who doesn't even respect nor use a methodology

Who cares where you learn methodology from fella? Use the process to solve problem, nna. If you like, learn it from Cambridge, better insight await man from least expected people and places than what you think you know.

I've told you before that your education made you push value around rather than create value. We're not talking about process, but application of process for results. Leave the hide and seek game unless you can't.

I've asked you to tell everyone what you mean by Green Sahara, you are no longer talking about that. So kiddish. Soon you bring that up again as though it's something worth keeping. I don't blame you, I get your time na im cos.

The folk traditions you keep mentioning very well dispel any idea of Hebrew origin, the oriki and sayings do not remotely imply Hebrew connection. Your obsession for Hebrews is so unhealthy and I've said it before that you have never seemed psychological OK

This doesn't interpret the antique word "Eletu Iwase" or "nigba Iwase". Does it? We are tired of your grammar, exploit methodology and let's see how you use the process on the simple historical words.

That it's costing you this stress implies that you have no idea. Tell us something. Talk is cheap. Polemics don't solve this problem, when you realize that, you have good attitude naturally.

The elders are clear on the fact that Yoruba believe to be the source, not sourced from others
But a dullard who has no single significance is so out seeking for relevance to challenge those who know better than you...

Bro, I am Yoruba. Bomode o batan, onilati ba arobba. Aroba ni baba itan. Omode gbon Agba gbon lafi dale'fe Ife. Owo Omode ko to pepe, tagbalagba o wo keregbe.

Elders in Yoruba are people who want to know why an oriki of the great Ooni would say "omo agbegbede Oyinbo", (Olu will also want to know), or that of Eletu Iwase, omo oyinbo f'oju orun s'ona.

It's not my first encounter with such either, I also have mine that says "mogbo ayato, omo oyinbo aise, omo afija sinu pete erin..." from my maternal grandmother.

Although she's Wae Agonnenu like my paternal grandfather. Her mom was the Scion of Agoro, resident in idojigan quarter of Ado. I dwell on this for a purpose.

At age 9, my family were preparing for "agogbo" meaning great burial feast. I was sick and laying beside my grandma. She was speaking about her mom and said if she knew how to write, she would have written about her mom.

It's at this conversation it occurred to me that people actually wrote books, I said in my mind, "when I grow up, I will write my book" So, I'm not seeking relevance here, I'm just on my path to greatness.

So, what is constant here is the "Oyinbo" and it's no crime in finding out more. You have no such experience as mine, I understand your concern, you are a necessary obstacle to become a stepping stone.

Where the case such that your challenge came with points that actually disprove the position of your betters, we would have taken your claims seriously and maybe even awarded you honours for seeing what scholars and elders failed to see

You are not capable of thinking out of the box. This imaginary authorities have cowered your ability to be free and formulate your thoughts based on what you can see through tradition, I veered off such influences from you to me..

You can read up on the philosopher called Baruch Espinoza, he was the first to introduce historico-criticism of the Bible. He was excommunicated from the synagogue, but he was fulfilled by the simplicity of his works.

Espinosa teaches that God is not the master puppeteer, but that he lives in us to make the choices we make. We are thus like a miniscule passing in the aeons of time, doing what is in our nature to do.

You are doing what is in your nature to do, being a stumbling block. I am doing what is in my nature to do, using you as a stepping stone. So, we are here helping each other to be fulfilled.

After stating that science is borne of observation and evolves through stages to become fact
You still went ahead to proclaim Yoruba migration from Isreal as if it were a fact
Your so called observations have already been flogged off as obsessions and overstretch.

If so, have you found the Niger Congo to be a historical claim that had evolved to become a better fact? When was that discovery? According to Goethe, "a man who cannot draw from 3,000 years ago is living from hands to mouth."

Okay, so the classifications that came after the observation of the similarities in Sanscrit and European languages equally explain the origin of Yoruba? Because it was the explanation for the European language, it's 'history' to Yoruba?

An hypothetical classification of language in the same family for linguistic identify became our antiquity in the hand of scholars as longitude and latitude become real lines to quack geographers.

If that's the case, the folks concerned should speak mutually intelligible languages, share common origin in their folklore. Do we have that as the case? So this classification is hypothetical.

You are not sick.

You already have a conclusion and only use word play to attempt to fill the gap between observation and conclusion, basically refusing anything that could lead you away from Hebrews
You are not after facts... You are after Hebrews
You are a fraud and a mentally sick one

Use the same words and their true meaning to burst my ruse. If I say ijebu is double for Jebusite or Jebus as you have it in the Bible, you use the true meaning of Ijebu to expose me.

Just as I am after Hebrew, you are not. "For the product of an action to be in equilibrium, there must be equal and opposite reactions." Says Sir Isaac Newton.

You are equally sick from the opposite direction.

Olu317:
macof, I have answered many questions through my paleography knowledge and the transliteration . But your uncultured vulgar words pisses one off because, you are contesting what you don't have knowledge, which is highly shocking. Therefore, if you want intellectual juxtaposition, then rebrand yourself and I will teach you more on Classic Hebrew's language. In fact,the comparison between the Hebrew block letters that came into use after the Babylonian captivity (that commenced about 586 BC), the proposed original alphabet of "Proto-Hebrew" and the Egyptian Hieroglyphs may have been the basis for many of the letters. (from Douglas Petrovich)

Additionally, the discovery of many other alphabetic inscriptions in the Canaan area dated to the period from 1200-1050 BC helped facilitate the understanding of This lettering and its migration which was also found in Egypt.

Mind you, I am from an ancestor whose is from ‘Oru', which imminent in my general oriki. And it is of good note that,Oru/Or, are true cognate with same in meaning.

Even the Hebrew you claim to know we haven't seen the result of this master fluency in classical Hebrew in your attempt to link it to Yoruba

We have dealt with this, I specifically opened a thread for you to go wild with your knowledge only for you to make more ludicrous baseless claims and turning the whole thread into a shit show
Knowledge can be verified, this your own knowledge na only your imagination e dey