Maximus69:


Do you know this is a REAL challenge?

So are you really ready for this?

Well if you're truly ready let's agree on some rules first.

No insults, No abusive speeches, and No curses!

Just simple questions and answers section!

I will represent JEHOVAH and you will represent whoever you believe!

Will you take on the challenge?

Maximus69:
@ Otem

Let's scrutinize the rule that says

(1) Use your brain!

There are humans in virtually every corner of the planet, they have different cultures and opinions, due to attractiveness of the male and female specie there has been intermarriages from time immemorial.

So let's use our brains!

(1)You sent your babygirl to school only to come back home with a pregnancy because she's been secretly sleeping with her NYSC boyfriend since she's (18+), as the father (using your brains) what is the next step?

(2)Will you agree if your daughter (18) now told you her lover is from the tribe where women are treated as the man's property?

(3)She insisted on marrying her supposed lover anyway and later she's been beaten by her so called "husband" when the law in your own side of the country forbids a man beating a woman but your in-laws believe it's normal. Will you feel comfortable?

Please your brains only!

Maximus69:
@ Otem

Let's scrutinize the rule that says

(1) Use your brain!

There are humans in virtually every corner of the planet, they have different cultures and opinions, due to attractiveness of the male and female specie there has been intermarriages from time immemorial.

So let's use our brains!

(1)You sent your babygirl to school only to come back home with a pregnancy because she's been secretly sleeping with her NYSC boyfriend since she's (18+), as the father (using your brains) what is the next step?

(2)Will you agree if your daughter (18) now told you her lover is from the tribe where women are treated as the man's property?

(3)She insisted on marrying her supposed lover anyway and later she's been beaten by her so called "husband" when the law in your own side of the country forbids a man beating a woman but your in-laws believe it's normal. Will you feel comfortable?

Please your brains only!

Maximus69:
So let's assume everyone believes in himself now and so how do you handle this situation?

LordReed:


So to you Children's day is a religious ceremony?

OtemAtum:

My brain which I'm using will tell me to seek advice from other people first(I mean other human beings like me). I will even go to a guidance and counsellor to seek their advice. I won't seek advice from any god, because the world is a psychophysical ground, not a psychospiritual ground(so the gods should stay their lane ). So you see that I actually used my brain to seek advice. Counter it, make I hear say na other people's brain I use, not mine.

paxonel:

Here are the difference!

A child is a person while atheism is a belief or doctrine as it applies to religion and it is not in anyway different from religion.

paxonel:

Here are the difference!

A child is a person while atheism is a belief or doctrine as it applies to religion and it is not in anyway different from religion.

OtemAtum:


I have never claimed to be an atheist and i don't worship Atum either. Atum does not like worship and this New Age era is not a time where humans should be worshipping people up and down. It is for scientific purposes either. Just that it was Atum who began the revelation of truth to me, that's all.

The three golden rules are:

1. Use your brain
2. Worship no god/God
3. Do good to humanity

Maximus69:

So nobody decides for him but JEHOVAH!

budaatum:

This is an untruth Max. You yourself detailed how you "inculcated Jehovah's principles in his/her heart" before the "child is eighteen years of age", so the child will not "be solely responsible for whatever decision he/she makes at that point in time!"

That's not to say one should not inculcate Jehovah's principles in his/her heart, just that it's not correct to then say it was "Jehova who decided for him". You, as a responsible parent, did. And it is you who is responsible for your child until it is eighteen.

Maximus69:


Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Right from childhood my offspring should be thought God's sovereignty, through my heartfelt prayer to God my child will know that i depend on someone else NOT my own PERSONAL discretion!

So teaching my child what i heard from JEHOVAH is like passing over the heritage NOT my own legacy!)

Maximus69:
So after growing up to know all these, the child can't stand up to confront me saying "There is no Jehovah" he or she may choose not to be a worshiper of JEHOVAH but i have played my own part!

Maximus69:

Therefore when such a child is shunned, he/she will know that it's the family heritage that he/she is rejecting NOT the father's legacy. That's why you'll hear shunned JWs condemning the organization NOT their parents because they knew that their parents are the best they can have, so they'll blame the global family instead of their immediately family!

budaatum:

There is a huge assumption being made here Max. You say, "NOT my own PERSONAL discretion", and while I want to agree with you, it really is your own personal discretion especially if you allow me to pressume "PERSONAL discretion" means your own beliefs and understandings. But the bigger assumption is claiming your beliefs and understanding are what you "heard from JEHOVAH".


You'd be amazed how many have turned atheist after being "inculcated". Its called growing up and thinking for oneself, especially if the inculcation was wrong.


Jesus did not teach "love only those who are inculcated like you", and you don't even practise such crap since we all know you do not shun those who do not believe what you do, so I must wonder why you'd be here preaching it!?

An organisation that shuns someone for thinking different is more or less a cult, and parents that shun their own children do not love their own flesh and blood and reasonable people would ask if they love their neighbours or their enemies even.

Maximus69:


You said

"I BELIEVE IN MYSELF"

But now you're suggesting 'going to consult a counselor' who also should only believe in himself/herself!

Hmmmmmmmm.

OK so your girl is married to her lover whose culture allows him to whip (beat) his wife, your daughter is still under his roof because he has paid her dowry. Now you're going to someone else to seek advice whereas you said "everyone should BELIEVE IN HIMSELF/HERSELF"

Please how do you correlate the two contradicting concept?

Riduane:
Atheism should be the dumbest philosophical position in this century. What are they to celebrate.

Bacteriologist:


Sure. Because believing books where slavery, talking snakes and talking donkeys is considered normal is the "wisest philosophical decision."

Thumbs up.

Riduane:
Atheism should be the dumbest philosophical position in this century. What are they to celebrate.

ATHEISTS ARE FOOLS, THEY DON'T KNOW THE WORD OF GOD.

Maximus69:
@ Otem!

So let's move to the second RULE,

©Worship No God!

(1)Since you say people should Worship NO God, then how do you intend to unite people from different races, languages, classes, skin colours and so on?

For humans to make this planet a Haven, we must learn to cohabit in peace and that means there should be a common line of thought on right and wrong!

Now that people have different opinions on what is right and wrong, and each race have this self esteem, please how do you think we can live in Peace with your so called golden rule "Worship NO God" ?

Maximus69:


Well we worship JEHOVAH and he asked the Israelites to EXTERMINATE any of their own people who chooses not to follow the heritage! Deuteronomy 13:6-9

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OtemAtum:
believing in yourself doesn't mean living in isolation. It means trusting your own judgement. Remember, the counselors I consult will not make the judgement for me, I'll still do.

budaatum:

Not true Max. First, here's verse 9.

But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

Note its a command, and not an "ask". But the lie is in claiming you worship Jehova when the truth is you worship a book. That said, I'm personally delighted that though I'd find it reprehensible that you'd be here attempting to "EXTERMINATE any of their own people who chooses not to follow the heritage", I'm delighted to find you don't fruitify your beliefs except in your own head or you'd be exterminating those who don't believe what you do.

Did Christ not say, “[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+2%3A27&version=NLT]The Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people, and not people to meet the requirements of the Sabbath[/url]". Do you not understand that means, 'learn from the Word', and not its, [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Corinthians+3%3A4-6&version=NKJV]letters[/url]?

Got to ask Max, what's you opinion of Christ Witness, as in, those who witness to Christ?

Maximus69:


Jehovah's worshipers also consult one another for counseling but each will make his own final conclusion in line with Jehovah's judicial decisions, because we all believe in JEHOVAH!

The point here is you can't impose your judgment on others because each person will BELIEVE IN HIMSELF if we're to go by your standard (golden rules)

That's where the friction awaits you all!

Riduane:


Oh yeah, we talking about the wisest now? I suppose believing something came out of nothing is the wisest thing right? Smh.

Bacteriologist:


Fortunately for people who can use their head, assigning YOUR own meaning to words doesn't make those words automatically become what you want them to mean.

Saying atheism is a belief or doctrine does not truly mean that atheism is belief or doctrine. It only means that YOU FOOLISHLY love to define it so. Despite efforts of the sane world to save you from drowning in your own folly.

Atheism is a lack of belief in all gods including yours. Need I say that again? A LACK.

A-theism: NO belief in a God. None. Nada. ZERO. Zilp. Zilch.

It's no more a belief than "Not swimming" is a hobby.
Or "off" is a TV channel.

I understand how difficult that may seem for you. Logic can be difficult. Especially for god apologists. I suggest you read it like 4-5 times. Take all the time you need.

paxonel:
No!
I just uploaded a screen shot of a dictionary definition of atheism, I didn't define it that way. For that definition to come out that way in an English dictionary that means there was a consensus.

paxonel:

[s] so, the sane word you are talking about did not see English dictionary? [/s]

paxonel:

before I come to this, I want to ask you a simple question. How do you define religion?

LordReed:


First off, I don't know how many times this will be said to you, atheism is not a belief. It is a lack of belief in gods.

Doctrine is not a word exclusive to religion. The military for example have doctrines. It doesn't connotes religion.

Atheism has no objects of worship, no creed, no immutable holy text, no devotions, no trappings of religion whatsoever.

OtemAtum:


No, majority of believers do exactly what their pastors ask them to do without thinking twice. Or what do you think the "This Is Church, You Won't Be Needing This(Brain) is for?"