Just30:
Yes it has worked in Ghana

By ending poverty you mean they have food to eat(most villagers in SA also don't lack food, they produce a lot of what they consume), or they are also making a living out of this practice ? I would love to hear more on this,you can recommend articles and all.

AmenhotepZuid:
@lionessza, if SA would take all the land in the hands of the biers they will go back to being useless beggers just like they did during the 1880s and 1940s...most them are poorer than English speakers.

Lol, I think you guys underestimate Boers. I visited my sister some time late last year. She lives in one of the suburbs in Pretoria West. Not too far from the area, there's a white squatter camp. Those people live in shacks, right? But the way they're so pimped-out Some even have lawns, gardens & yards. They've put in the work, to spruce up their surroundings. Without any bias, I think Boers know how to make the best out of any situation. Wouldn't be surprised if there're people feeling some type of way about the area Black people need to adopt an I CAN attitude & stop feeling like everything is set up against them because even if they could be given the world on a platter, without the know-how, all of that will not amount to much. I'm completely against the victim & take, take, take mentality because it's hindering. I dislike it with every fiber of my being.

jln115:
Just like the Brits didn't find cities in Nigeria....case closed

You can keep deluding yourself but concrete facts on ground proofs otherwise. Gbam.

That's what white racists want to present to the world. To make people believe they met primative in Nigeria. Far from it. EOD

Been looking for that helicopter ride on youtube without much success. Those cliffs at edge of oceans - with waterfalls - look like nothing I have seen before. More like Vikings greenland scenes.

Lionessza6:


It was either from KZN or the Eastern Cape province ,they both have some of the most beautiful scenes and not to mention that many people are using that city money to build " cities " in villages. If you took a drive using the N2 from KZN ,EC to the WC you would think those were city houses . I'm loving the movement and the appreciation more SA are showing towards rural living not to mention the opportunities there .

Precisely. Boers and Americans are the same. They have a protestant work ethic that is to be admired. The Europeans are way too lazy for Americans and Boers.

XhosaNostra:



Lol, I think you guys underestimate Boers. I visited my sister some time late last year. She lives in one of the suburbs in Pretoria West. Not too far from the area, there's a white squatter camp. Those people live in shacks, right? But the way they're so pimped-out Some even have lawns, gardens & yards. They've put in the work, to spruce up their surroundings. Without any bias, I think Boers know how to make the best out of any situation. Wouldn't be surprised if there're people feeling some type of way about the area Black people need to adopt an I CAN attitude & stop feeling like everything is set up against them because even if they could be given the world on a platter, without the know-how, all of that will not amount to much. I'm completely against the victim & take, take, take mentality because it's hindering. I dislike it with every fiber of my being.

rvp20182:
Precisely. Boers and Americans are the same. They have a protestant work ethic that is to be admired. The Europeans are way too lazy for Americans and Boers.

Exactly! That's why I laugh when people think if you strip them of everything, they'll remain like that for eternity. They're some of the most resourceful people I have ever met.

In life, I choose the impersonal approach & I'm very observant. So I tend to notice a lot- weaknesses, strengths...you name it, I can spot it because how I view things is not influenced by emotions. I can see differences between people clearly. They say study your opponent well

Lionessza6:

LMFAO, so I go around making excuses for baby mamas and black losers? . Look here ,we all have our stories about some buttholes; in Jozi I live in the East rand farming community and most people there are white lazy drunkards who blame the ANC for everything . Most wake up and hang placards on their necks to beg for change near mall@carnival or carnival city and them .these are people with huge plots of land who claim to be looking for Jobs, but we all know they go there to beg motorists . I experienced the same shyt when I lived in PTA west for a short period ,they would rather go and sell pussy ;Dand give their verword RDP houses to drug dealers than maintain and make profit out of them. So plleazzzzzz!!! . And yes they have sassa cards and use them to swipe at tops too. There are many people who need that productive land but have to apply, and wait for months if not years to get it..

And yes there are house negros and there are critics of black filth, and there is a difference.

This is more of a reply I expect from a South African we might differ in opinion but doesn't mean we have to make generalizations and racist remarks as you have made against me and white people in general in previous posts, contrary to what you believe White people don't mind seeing black people exceed, there is no conspiracy to keep wealth in white hands and there is no WMC, the fact is Government has not done enough to uplift Black people after 26 years and as much as you hate to admit it Zuma has driven more Black people in to poverty than any president before him.

As i said before Im a massive patriot, I love my country and its people(all ethnicity's), if i didn't i wouldn't be here bragging/defending my country. Do you think i like seeing people in poverty?, or our high unemployment rate?or our crime? ect ect ect all I want is a prosperous SA for all.............

However I don't get the idea you want the same, you would rather tank the economy and have everybody live in poverty to spite the Whitey with racist policies, You'd rather have a Government that takes from the Whites and gives to it self vs a Government that works to uplift people with sound economical policies! You have a revengeful attitude, and even though you know very well that EWC could very possibly destroy our economy and plunge the same people you want to uplift into poverty, you'd rather have that sweet revenge!!

forgiveness:



You can keep deluding yourself but concrete facts on ground proofs otherwise. Gbam.

That's what white racists want to present to the world. To make people believe they met primative in Nigeria. Far from it. EOD

All Im saying is if Nigerians had cities then so did Black SAns and If the Brits and whites built SA then the same applies to Nigeria!

I don't believe your logic, since I believe both Blacks and Whites built SA.....which would also imply that Nigerians built Nigeria!! However if you choose to believe your logic then that's fine with me

Lionessza6:



Has subsistance farming reduced poverty in other parts of the world & Africa in particular? I'm genuinely asking ,you can give examples if you can .

It hasn't

AmenhotepZuid:
@lionessza, if SA would take all the land in the hands of the biers they will go back to being useless beggers just like they did during the 1880s and 1940s...most them are poorer than English speakers.

LMFAO, so I'm guessing you be my master ( English) . Anyways, what is the excuse of these bores, they were given handouts from the verword error,given preference in business,skills development etc. Basically during the whole apartheid system they had no competition in creating wealth or atleast enough money to last them some generations. Less than 3 decades of not being prioritised in handouts, many are now competing with Africans who were subjugated in how well they handle poverty and we are supposed to look up to them . This is worse than pathetic . They have owned plotties they call them all over the East rand, and guess what most are lying unproductive while the owners are begging for change in casinos .hay we have our filth Korea this is on another level. These people weren't mentally broken or purposely under- skilled,yet thet are taking Grants and even building squatta camps? . I'm defeated . Boers must stop blaming the ANC for their fuckeries ,its embarrassing. I have never seen anglos and Jews begging ,why them ?

AmenhotepZuid:
Real Boers are learning everyday on Facebook and other sites that theyre not "white" but descendants of SLAVES who were assimilated into whiteness while 1 black dark pilchard eater (Jl115) keeps telling everyone on nairaland that he's a Boer. I would like to handle this fake piece of shut on Facebook or twitter.

Give me your facebook profile or twitter handle.....then we cn sort this out...............and as i've said before you are Nigerian, even lionessza6 has discovered the same

jln115:
All Im saying is if Nigerians had cities then so did Black SAns and If the Brits and whites built SA then the same applies to Nigeria!

I don't believe your logic, since I believe both Blacks and Whites built SA.....which would also imply that Nigerians built Nigeria!! However if you choose to believe your logic then that's fine with me

Did Boer meet a single city in South Africa? How is this logic?


Did British meet cities in Nigeria? Simple question. Read below and refresh your brain before you answer.



Benin City was also one of the first cities to have a semblance of street lighting. Huge metal lamps, many feet high, were built and placed around the city, especially near the king’s palace. Fuelled by palm oil, their burning wicks were lit at night to provide illumination for traffic to and from the palace.

When the Portuguese first “discovered” the city in 1485, they were stunned to find this vast kingdom made of hundreds of interlocked cities and villages in the middle of the African jungle. They called it the “Great City of Benin”, at a time when there were hardly any other places in Africa the Europeans acknowledged as a city. Indeed, they classified Benin City as one of the most beautiful and best planned cities in the world.

Lionessza6:


By ending poverty you mean they have food to eat(most villagers in SA also don't lack food, they produce a lot of what they consume), or they are also making a living out of this practice ? I would love to hear more on this,you can recommend articles and all.

Exactly!! subsistence farming does not end poverty, as it doesn't create any income!! if they made a living out of Subsistence farming then it wouldn't be called Subsistence farming anymore but commercial farming

Lionessza6:

LMFAO, so I go around making excuses for baby mamas and black losers? . Look here ,we all have our stories about some buttholes; in Jozi I live in the East rand farming community and most people there are white, lazy drunkards who blame the ANC for everything . Most wake up and hang placards on their necks to beg for change near mall@carnival or carnival city and them .these are people with huge plots of land who claim to be looking for Jobs, but we all know they go there to beg motorists for free money for free money. I experienced the same shyt when I lived in PTA west for a short period ,they would rather go and sell pussy ;Dand give their verword RDP houses to drug dealers than maintain and make profit out of them. So plleazzzzzz!!! . And yes they have sassa cards and use them to swipe at tops too. There are many people who need that productive land but have to apply, and wait for months if not years to get it..

And yes there are house negros and there are critics of black filth, and there is a difference.

XhosaNostra, what says thou? Over to you, miss no South African beggars. Thank you.

Lionessza6:



Has subsistance farming reduced poverty in other parts of the world & Africa in particular? I'm genuinely asking ,you can give examples if you can .

Btw,most villagers in SA have always lived on their produce like the rest of the continent. I live in a village in the Easterm Cape province ,the poorest province in the country & mostfamilies here own fields ,but the issue us that we mostly have grazing land. & mind you this is the 2nd biggest province in landmass but most of the arable land is still under colonisers. Not to mention that water is still " colonised " as well . People were pushed to this side of the capes because it is one of the most difficult places to "get water". Most of the natural dams are privately owned ,this is also a huge problem nationally btw. These are some of the reasons causing the migration to the major cities where people go and work in farms . Zuma prioritised rural development and in many places surrounded by the ocean people were returning to take advantage of the oceans economy ,but that has since been stopped because now you need a fishing boat worth a million rands as a requirement to start working the ocean and we all can guess what this means for the villagers ...
. So the land issue in SA is not only about the soil my guy , so much shyt is entangled in this . But one thing is for sure ,we are heading the Zim way ( whatever that means ) and if it goes bad Congo will look like paradise because i don't see anyone that will back down from this , everyone has a lot at stake. Not to mention that all sides have been infiltrated or are being " assisted " by outsiders who need something in SA . Only foolish people talk of apartheid in past tense, when we are yet to gain economic liberation from our masters ;

Hahahaha
Jln 115 must swallow those pills which u prescribed above. Surely,the land issue in SA isn't a child's play.a lot are at stake.
I wonder how it will end up,may be as you said,zim way.

forgiveness:



Did Boer meet a single city in South Africa? How is this logic?


Did British meet cities in Nigeria? Simple question. Read below and refresh your brain before you answer.



Benin City was also one of the first cities to have a semblance of street lighting. Huge metal lamps, many feet high, were built and placed around the city, especially near the king’s palace. Fuelled by palm oil, their burning wicks were lit at night to provide illumination for traffic to and from the palace.

When the Portuguese first “discovered” the city in 1485, they were stunned to find this vast kingdom made of hundreds of interlocked cities and villages in the middle of the African jungle. They called it the “Great City of Benin”, at a time when there were hardly any other places in Africa the Europeans acknowledged as a city. Indeed, they classified Benin City as one of the most beautiful and best planned cities in the world.

Yes the Zulu Kingdom had several Cities in it empire by the time the Boere mad contact with the Zulus

Lionessza6:


LMFAO, so I'm guessing you be my master ( English) . Anyways, what is the excuse of these bores, they were given handouts from the verword error,given preference in business,skills development etc. Basically during the whole apartheid system they had no competition in creating wealth or atleast enough money to last them some generations. Less than 3 decades of not being prioritised in handouts, many are now competing with Africans who were subjugated in how well they handle poverty and we are supposed to look up to them . This is worse than pathetic . They have owned plotties they call them all over the East rand, and guess what most are lying unproductive while the owners are begging for change in casinos .hay we have our filth Korea this is on another level. These people weren't mentally broken or purposely under- skilled,yet thet are taking Grants and even building squatta camps? . I'm defeated . Boers must stop blaming the ANC for their fuckeries ,its embarrassing. I have never seen anglos and Jews begging ,why them ?

SMH!!

You are no different than Amenhotepzuid..............and he is a fvcking ret@rd

Just30:
I think it is a good thing because at least, some poor people will get a small piece of land to do subsistance farming on and reduce poverty.

Zimbabwe is what it is because economic activities have been sanctioned badly

Subsistence farming is the beginning of poverty.

forgiveness:


XhosaNostra, what says thou? Over to you, miss no South African beggars. Thank you.

You brought up the case of beggars & even posted some hobos. I told you that there's no proof that the people you posted are South Africans because the beggars that I have met were of Zimbabwean nationality etc. Then you posted a picture of a white guy, looking for work blah blah blah. The fact remains, very few South Africans take the begging route. The same poor white people, majority choose to work as car guards than beg...at least in Pretoria where I stay.

jln115:

Yes the Zulu Kingdom had several Cities in it empire by the time the Boere mad contact with the Zulus

What is the name of the city. I want to show you something.

XhosaNostra:



You brought up the case of beggars & even posted some hobos. I told you that there's no proof that the people you posted are South Africans because the beggars that I have met were of Zimbabwean nationality etc. Then you posted a picture of a white guy, looking for work blah blah blah. The fact remains, very few South Africans take the begging route. The same poor white people, many choose to work as car guards than beg...at least in Pretoria where I stay.

@bolded. Thank you very much for confirming the bolded. Gracias.

forgiveness:


@bolded. Thank you very much for confirming the bolded. Gracias.

So what do you believe you have achieved with that "confirmation"?

forgiveness:


What is the name of the city. I want to show you something.

You always say you want to show me something but you never do

Ulundi
kwaBulawayo
umGungundlovu

XhosaNostra:



So what do you believe you have achieved with that "confirmation"?

Just dubunked something.

forgiveness:


Just dubunked something.

Okay.

*eyeroll*

jln115:

You always say you want to show me something but you never do

Ulundi
kwaBulawayo
umGungundlovu

I promise to show you. See Ulundi and tell me how it is a city.

Who gave account of Ulundi as a city?

XhosaNostra:



Okay.

*eyeroll*

Roll am well well.

forgiveness:


Roll am well well.

I am.

obaaderemi:
He is the same as the KwameApe ediot.
A confused black South African kaffir who hates his black skin and thinks dissing blacks will make him feel better. The really pity are the Kenyans and fellow black South Africans edging him on when he insults Nigerians turning a blind eye to his madman frustrated rants against black skin in general. He even tags some of them for support when Nigerians and Ghanaians hit him hard.

He's deranged.

His Nairaland footprints give him away.
Noted Mate!

forgiveness:


I promise to show you. See Ulundi and tell me how it is a city.

Who gave account of Ulundi as a city?

Haaahaaaa.

Shaka Zulu would bïtch Slap anyone who called this a City.

forgiveness:


Just dubunked something.

I dey with you Omo iya!

vaxx1:
Accra...

This what we called city. Clean roads and better planned. Unlike shitthol nairobi.