gregyboy:


Sicko

I bet you are peddling your way into her abode and that's why your are following her sheeplessly

ahahahahahahahaha
Mumu lick your wound.

OgboAto:



Isn't Nyfe some other name used for Nupe/Tapa?

That was assumed.

The first account of Nyffe appeared in relation to its Statehood and was passed on by Arabs in Massina (present day Mali). These Arabs were first to document history of the people of Sudan belt and produced maps of who was where in the belt.
They served as source of knowledge for the new Fulani States in Hausaland.

Before Sokoto sacked Hausa Kings Priest-Kings controlled City-States in the Sudan.

Crossing from about 1750 to 1880 rapid wars across the belt had transformed the landscape and put power in hands of Imperial-Kings. One of these was Oyo.

Oyo had surpassed Ife as central authority on Yoruba politics.

Arabs knew Yoruba as Nyffe and made the record of their roots in Canaan.

Sokoto which rose to power much later behind the Arab travellers knew Yoruba as Oyo.

In relating the history of Yoruba to Clapperton in Sokoto in 1824, Sultan Bello described the people, their history, their landscape and their political relationship with Muslims.

Clapperton returned in 1825 to tour from coast upward to desert and see the Niger.

He came in through Badagry. He visited Egba and Abeokuta.

Well Abeokuta was a resettlement....a city of refuge for the Egba, Owu, who were defeated in Yoruba political conflicts and were chased out of their original towns in hinterland.

These internal wars and others with external opponents was responsible for the quick emergence of Oyo as Yoruba State.

Sultan did not mention Nupe as a State. The history of Nyffe as a State and remnants of a Canaan stock is inconsistent with Nupe origin, which was an offshoot of Igala.

The old capital of Nupe was Raba. It was Fulani that relocated it to Bida.

Clapperton visited Raba but did not reconcile it with what he was told by Sultan a year before, as he did in recollection on his visit to Oyo.

In fact, he linked the grandeur of Statehood in Oyo with that of the King's palace in Mali and mused about their consistency in observing protocols.

So, the identity of Nyffe in old Mali continued as a tradition, changing reference but never loosing form and target through the periods of contacts from Arabs and Moors to Sultan of Sokoto and later Clapperton.

gregyboy:


More research is going on by me to ascertain if ife and Oduduwa really had a connection if truly they didnt

Argument like who have the word oba
Who gave the word ubini
And so on will be forever settled

Do you know the Portuguese were the original people who had given the name benin to benin" before they arrived to africa they have had account of arabic merchant of a town name birni in the present kebbi state, Birni kebbi then was still a pagan state before our brother usman later converted all the pagan state in the north to islam, ibn buttua had already reported of a powerful pagan town birni kebbi to the Europeans on his venture to africa so Portuguese sailors had later set on a quest to sail to africa to spread Christianity and find Prester peter who had defeated the islamist spread on getting to africa they meant smaller disorganized kingdoms that didn't catch thier interest while they were sailing they meant some benins who were trading at the bight of benin they were well dressed and organized they had to stop to adress the benin people who later took them to the palace when they got to the palace the felt they had gotten to the Kingdom ibn buttua had mentioned birni" language barrier had made them unable to ask the name of the Kingdom they were, overtime time when language barrier was broken and they later knew it wasnt birni like they had thought it was already to late to change it. the name benin had already been imprinted to Europeans as benin city it was hard calling it the new name

This assertion can be proved because non of our neighbors had call us benin if true we had truly bore the name ubini or ile binu so how come it was only the Portuguese we had introduced the name only to, even when we conquered some areas even after the Portuguese arrival they had still maintained the corrupted form of edo( idu, ado)
It also not used in benin lexicon when a benin man identifes himself he identifes as ovbie edo
And never have they identified as ovbie binu " except the Portuguese were only the one who invented the name and had identified edo people as benin people, even without the benin people knowing they were been identified as benins by the Portuguese and not edo as thier name

Ile binu was just a construct by egharevba handwork to link benin with youruba ife people
Ife only became popular in the the early nigeria period as a result of artwork works found in ife it boasted the pretige of ife and it became a bedrock for thier mythology of thier history
Before then ife was not even recognize amongst yoruba at all


The fuuny things in this is our oba will still join them to say all this distorted history


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I agree with that it was the Portuguese who corrupted the name to Benin due to the difficulty in pronouncing ubinu, I Also agree with that the Benin don't introduce themselves as Benin because that word Benin is used to identify them foreigners.
I don't think the Benins have relationship with the yorubas except from the story of Izoduwa who the yorubas know as oduduwa.
Please be sure of your source of information during your research and you can also go to usen in edo state for more information if I may suggest. please keep us updated.

Sarah20A:
I agree with that it was the Portuguese who corrupted the name to Benin due to the difficulty in pronouncing ubinu, I Also agree with that the Benin don't introduce themselves as Benin because that word Benin is used to identify them foreigners.
I don't think the Benins have relationship with the yorubas except from the story of Izoduwa who the yorubas know as oduduwa.
Please be sure of your source of information during your research and you can also go to usen in edo state for more information if I may suggest. please keep us updated.

There is no such thing as Izoduwa, or Idoduwa, or Imadoduwa.

The Ekaladerhan-Izoduwa idea have been disproven by world-renowned historians to be a fake rewriting of history.

The only recognized history by historians all over the world is of a Yoruba kingdom, Ife who made a prince available to the Edo to go rule over them.

I am willing to provide you with the evidence for this if you're willing to update yourself.

Let me know what you think.

Peace!

TAO11:


There is no such thing as Izoduwa, or Idoduwa, or Imadoduwa.

The Ekaladerhan-Izoduwa idea have been disproven by world-renowned historians to be a fake rewriting of history.

The only recognized history by historians all over the world is of a Yoruba kingdom, Ife who made a prince available to the Edo to go rule over them.

I am willing to provide you with the evidence for this if you're willing to update yourself.

Let me know what you think.

Peace!

first let me see the evidence first before asking further questions

Sarah20A:
I agree with that it was the Portuguese who corrupted the name to Benin due to the difficulty in pronouncing ubinu, I Also agree with that the Benin don't introduce themselves as Benin because that word Benin is used to identify them foreigners.
I don't think the Benins have relationship with the yorubas except from the story of Izoduwa who the yorubas know as oduduwa.
Please be sure of your source of information during your research and you can also go to usen in edo state for more information if I may suggest. please keep us updated.

Intelligent submission

Sarah20A:
first let me see the evidence first before asking further questions

Check out my quite short reply to the Ekaladerhan/Izoduwa fabrication at this particular link.

https://www.nairaland.com/5738539/benin-governor-kneels-greet-king/11#87682523


Read it carefully. I also provided full referencing.

TAO11:


Check out my quite short reply to the Ekaladerhan/Izoduwa fabrication at this particular link.

https://www.nairaland.com/5738539/benin-governor-kneels-greet-king/11#87682523


Read it carefully. I also provided full referencing.

this are not evidence but personal opinions.when you said you're doing some research I thought it was about reading books from the both sides,going to places to ask questions, finding some geological evidence and not some written opinion.

Sarah20A:
this are not evidence but personal opinions.when you said you're doing some research I thought it was about reading books from the both sides,going to places to ask questions, finding some geological evidence and not some written opinion.

Lol. I gave you the submission of experts --- the leading historian on Benin history, and you said it's personal opinions.

He is no Yoruba by the way!

Moreover, there is no account in Benin history of any Izoduwa, etc. anywhere on this planet before the year 1970.

Yet Benin has written history long before the year 1970.

What does that mean to you?

Historians know who first came up with the Ekalderhan joke in the year 1970. His name is S. B. Omoregie.

I can give you references to his work if you please.

TAO11:


Lol. I gave you the submission of experts --- the leading historian on Benin history, and you said it's personal opinions.

He is no Yoruba by the way!

Moreover, there is no account in Benin history of any Izoduwa, etc. anywhere on this planet before the year 1970.

Yet Benin has written long before the year 1970.

What does that mean to you?

Historians know who first came up with the Ekalderhan joke in the year 1970. His name is S. B. Omoregie.

I can give you references to his work if you please.

a leading historian opinion doesn't make the matter true or false and he didn't state that the Benins came from yoruba,he didn't also state the yorubas gave the Benins king and I would like to know his opinion about oduduwa and which palace in yorubaland gave the Benins a king.

Sarah20A:
a leading historian opinion doesn't make the matter true or false and he didn't state that the Benins came from yoruba,he didn't also state the yorubas gave the Benins king and I would like know his opinion about oduduwa and which palace in yorubaland gave the Benins a king.

It's your personal opinion that you call an historical fact an opinion.

An historian does not just wake up one day and grab his computer to start typing that the Izoduwa theory is a joke.

No what they do is to gather and thoroughly examine the accounts (for contradiction, exxagerations, improbabilities, outright fabrications, etc.) from the actual people involved.

There is no historical account of any Izoduwa in all of Benin history prior to the year 1970.

Omoregie was the first to publish it despite earlier extant Benin history saying otherwise.

Oba Erediauwa was the first to formally pronounce it to the Benin public during his coronation.

Before then, such history was unheard of by the Bini man, woman, boy, or girl --- prior to that sudden change in their history.

And for the boldened part of your comment:
He did specifically state that which you said he didn't.

Wait! How do you know all the statements in an article before reading it?

You obviously haven't read the article.

Sarah20A:
a leading historian opinion doesn't make the matter true or false and he didn't state that the Benins came from yoruba,he didn't also state the yorubas gave the Benins king and I would like to know his opinion about oduduwa and which palace in yorubaland gave the Benins a king.

Dont mind that TAO11 of a guy


The ekaladeran story existed but Oduduwa story didnt exist i can give you prove to that

First of all are you benin

Am not only going to give you scholar opinion but also factual opinion

TAO11:


It's your personal that you call an historical fact an opinion.

An historian does not just wake up one day and grab his computer to start typing that the Izoduwa theory is a joke.

No what they do is to gather and thoroughly examine the accounts (for contradiction, exxagerations, improbabilities, outright fabrications, etc.) from the actual people involved.

There is no historical account of any Izoduwa in all of Benin history prior to the year 1970.

Omoregie was the first to publish it despite earlier extant Benin history saying otherwise.

Oba Erediauwa was the first to formally pronounce it to the Benin public during his coronation.

Before then, such history was unheard of by the Bini man, woman, boy, or girl --- prior to that sudden change in their history.

And for the boldened part of your comment:
He did specifically state that which you said he didn't.

Wait! How do you know all the statements in an article before reading it?

You obviously haven't read the article.

it was unheard of by the Benin men and women doesn't mean that some of them don't know and oba Erediauwa needed to state the son of who he was because the yorubas were saying otherwise.
We the Benins are not in competition with anyone but the yorubas should stay in own lane .please tell me his opinions about the stories of oduduwa,the palace in yorubaland that gave the Benins a king.

gregyboy:

[s]Dont mind that TAO11 of a guy
The ekaladeran story existed but Oduduwa story didnt exist i can give you prove to that
First of all are you benin
Am not only going to give you scholar opinion but also factual opinion.[/s]

This confused dummy again.

Ekaladerhan founded the town of Ughoton where he lived and died when he was banished from Igodomigodo.

The idea that he later resurrected from the dead and went to Ife is what world-renowned historians have examined and laughed at as a joke.

The account of Oduduwa has been documented indigenously since as early as the 1800s first by Bishop Ajayi Crowther, then Sir Moses, Lijadu, even before our Reverend Samuel Johnson all in the 1800s.

The account of Ekaladerhan on the other hand wasn't documented in Benin until in the year 1934 by Chief Egharevba whom you all ironically think is a liar.

So if any of the two stories never really existed, then it is that which came to be written only recently.



I have warned you severally --- I am not on your stupid gutter level when it comes to history.


Go away from here, let your parents talk to me.

MetaPhysical:


That was assumed.

The first account of Nyffe appeared in relation to its Statehood and was passed on by Arabs in Massina (present day Mali). These Arabs were first to document history of the people of Sudan belt and produced maps of who was where in the belt.
They served as source of knowledge for the new Fulani States in Hausaland.

Before Sokoto sacked Hausa Kings Priest-Kings controlled City-States in the Sudan.

Crossing from about 1750 to 1880 rapid wars across the belt had transformed the landscape and put power in hands of Imperial-Kings. One of these was Oyo.

Oyo had surpassed Ife as central authority on Yoruba politics.

Arabs knew Yoruba as Nyffe and made the record of their roots in Canaan.

Sokoto which rose to power much later behind the Arab travellers knew Yoruba as Oyo.

In relating the history of Yoruba to Clapperton in Sokoto in 1824, Sultan Bello described the people, their history, their landscape and their political relationship with Muslims.

Clapperton returned in 1825 to tour from coast upward to desert and see the Niger.

He came in through Badagry. He visited Egba and Abeokuta.

Well Abeokuta was a resettlement....a city of refuge for the Egba, Owu, who were defeated in Yoruba political conflicts and were chased out of their original towns in hinterland.

These internal wars and others with external opponents was responsible for the quick emergence of Oyo as Yoruba State.

Sultan did not mention Nupe as a State. The history of Nyffe as a State and remnants of a Canaan stock is inconsistent with Nupe origin, which was an offshoot of Igala.

The old capital of Nupe was Raba. It was Fulani that relocated it to Bida.

Clapperton visited Raba but did not reconcile it with what he was told by Sultan a year before, as he did in recollection on his visit to Oyo.

In fact, he linked the grandeur of Statehood in Oyo with that of the King's palace in Mali and mused about their consistency in observing protocols.

So, the identity of Nyffe in old Mali continued as a tradition, changing reference but never loosing form and target through the periods of contacts from Arabs and Moors to Sultan of Sokoto and later Clapperton.

Bro, I don't know about all of these Canaanland angle. However, several publications, both by explorers and academics, have referred to Nyffe as 'Nupe' so I'm unsure who assumed or is assuming but I hear you sha.

Sarah20A:
it was unheard of by the Benin men and women doesn't mean that some of them don't know and oba Erediauwa needed to state the son of who he was because the yorubas were saying otherwise.
We the Benins are not in competition with anyone but the yorubas should stay in own lane .please tell me his opinions about the stories of oduduwa,the palace in yorubaland that gave the Benins a king.

You seem to be missing out only the most relevant parts of my comment.

Let me bolden it:
--------------------------
Before 1970, Benin had its own written history, by the Binis. And that pre-1970 written history says the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the revisionists came up with from the 1970s upwards.

Do you now understand what I said?


Now, to the boldened part lf your comment.

First, historians don't simply give opinions as if it is something random --- doing that means that the subject called history is a joke.

Second, you obviously are shying away from reading by yourself yet you want to debate history.

Anyways, for all historians studying Yoruba history, Odudwa is the Yoruba king who became the first central king of a unified Ile-Ife.

And it is the same Ife palace from where he and his descendants rule that gave Benin its king.

The same palace visited by Oba Ewuare II in 2018, from where he then proceeded to pay homage at the burial site lf the h3@ds of certain Benin Obas.

See timestamp 00:22 to 00:34 in the attaced Channels TV video below


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZhU2AmpvJk&t=40s

TAO11:


You seem to be missing out only the most relevant parts of my comment.

Let me bolden it:
--------------------------
Before 1970, Benin had its own written history, by the Binis. And that pre-1970 written history says the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the revisionists came up with from the 1970s upwards.

Do you now understand what I said?

You don’t know how foolish you sound.
Every article you have ever posted is about Benin because Benin Kingdom was the only real Kingdom to have been documented in details. When Europeans and early writers visited this parts the only Kingdom they met was Benin Kingdom which they described as a powerful Kingdom.
No writer from even thousands of years ago saw Ife. Even the Arab writer you referenced wrote about the myths he heard about Ife. All articles written about Ife are always myths with no evidence to back it up.

All great Kingdoms and empires are always discussed in details with facts. Empires older than Ife are well documented in details even Oyo empire is well written about but Ife dwells on myth and false narratives.

The only thing u have succeeded in doing is promoting the greatness of Benin.

TAO11:


Lol. I gave you the submission of experts --- the leading historian on Benin history, and you said it's personal opinions.

He is no Yoruba by the way!

Moreover, there is no account in Benin history of any Izoduwa, etc. anywhere on this planet before the year 1970.

Yet Benin has written hostory long before the year 1970.

What does that mean to you?

Historians know who first came up with the Ekalderhan joke in the year 1970. His name is S. B. Omoregie.

I can give you references to his work if you please.

the Benin kingdom is dated back to 2500 years and their history is been passed down through oral and artworks .
When the kingdom was invaded in 1897 those artworks were stolen and the city walls were destroyed, meaning in 1897 their history was destroyed leaving them with just the oral version of history.You haven't still answered my questions about oduduwa and the palace that gave the Benins their king

davidnazee:

[s]You don’t know how foolish you sound.
Every article you have ever posted is about Benin because Benin Kingdom was the only real Kingdom to have been documented in details. When Europeans and early writers visited this parts the only Kingdom they met was Benin Kingdom which they described as a powerful Kingdom. No writer from even thousands of years ago saw Ife. Even the Arab writer you referenced wrote about the myths he heard about Ife. All articles written about Ife are always myths with no evidence to back it up. All great Kingdoms and empires are always discussed in details with facts. Empires older than Ife are well documented in details even Oyo empire is well written about but Ife dwells on myth and false narratives. The only thing u have succeeded in doing is promoting the greatness of Benin.[/s]

I am trashing the lies of lyin Benin Nairalanders, yet what this poor boy want me to cite is Yoruba articles and not Benin articles.

So that he can cry wolf saying: nA YoRuBa ArTiClE yOu DeY cItE.

BENIN LOGIG --- BNLGC 101.

Anyways, I did cite some like Professor R. C. C. Law's "The Heritage of Oduduwa" where he confirmed the practice of sending the heads of Benin kings to Ife for burial.

Are you satisfied now??

TAO11:


You seem to be missing out only the most relevant parts of my comment.

Let me bolden it:
--------------------------
Before 1970, Benin had its own written history, by the Binis. And that pre-1970 written history says the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the revisionists came up with from the 1970s upwards.

Do you now understand what I said?


Now, to the boldened part lf your comment.

First, historians don't simply give opinions as if it is something random --- doing that means that the subject called history is a joke.

Second, you obviously are shying away from reading by yourself yet you want to debate history.

Anyways, for all historians studying Yoruba history, Odudwa is the Yoruba king who became the first central king of a unified Ile-Ife.

And it is the same Ife palace from where he and his descendants rule that gave Benin its king.

The same palace visited by Oba Ewuare II in 2018, from where he then proceeded to pay homage at the burial site lf the h3@ds of certain Benin Obas.

See timestamp xxxx in the attaced Channels TV video below

Everything you have been doing is an example of Myth vs History.. you have been trying hard to prove your myths are true and history as false.
You keep referencing European explorers and early writers in your futile attempt at replacing known history with your foolish myths.
These Europeans and writers you referenced, many of them actually visited these parts and what did they meet or see?

They never saw a great Ife, not even ruins that point to an ancient great Kingdom of Ife. The only ruins they saw was of Oyo Kingdom.
But instead they saw a great and powerful Benin Kingdom which ruled over most of Yorubaland and your ancestors and that is exactly what they documented.

TAO11:


You seem to be missing out only the most relevant parts of my comment.

Let me bolden it:
--------------------------
Before 1970, Benin had its own written history, by the Binis. And that pre-1970 written history says the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the revisionists came up with from the 1970s upwards.

Do you now understand what I said?


Now, to the boldened part lf your comment.

First, historians don't simply give opinions as if it is something random --- doing that means that the subject called history is a joke.

Second, you obviously are shying away from reading by yourself yet you want to debate history.

Anyways, for all historians studying Yoruba history, Odudwa is the Yoruba king who became the first central king of a unified Ile-Ife.

And it is the same Ife palace from where he and his descendants rule that gave Benin its king.

The same palace visited by Oba Ewuare II in 2018, from where he then proceeded to pay homage at the burial site lf the h3@ds of certain Benin Obas.

See timestamp xxxx in the attaced Channels TV video below

I didn't care to read it because it's a history based on opinion not facts, I would also like to see his opinion about oduduwa which you earlier stated didnt exist.which of the Benin kings are buried in ife?

TAO11:


I am trashing the lies of lyin Benin Nairalanders, yet what this poor boy want me to cite is Yoruba articles and not Benin articles.

So that he can cry wolf saying: nA YoRuBa ArTiClE yOu DeY cItE.

BENIN LOGIG --- BNLGC 101.

Anyways, I did cite some like Professor R. C. C. Law's "The Heritage of Oduduwa" where he confirmed the practice of sending the heads of Benin kings to Ife for burial.

Are you satisfied now??

The only person lying is you. You cannot change Benin history, the details you are trying to debunk has been known for hundreds of years.
Better for you to talk about Ife history if there’s anything to really talk about.

Fact:: Benin Kingdom was far greater than Ife.
Fact:: Oduduwa is NOT Yoruba.

Sarah20A:
the Benin kingdom is dated back to 2500 years and their history is been passed down through oral and artworks .
When the kingdom was invaded in 1897 those artworks were stolen and the city walls were destroyed, meaning in 1897 their history was destroyed leaving them with just the oral version of history.You haven't still answered my questions about oduduwa and the palace that gave the Benins their king

I boldened the first part of your comment to tell you to provide the academic evidence for the 2500 yeaars. Please i dont want to laugh.

See ehn my sister, anybody can type up any number and say for example that the Yorubas have been living in their homeland since 7000BC --- that is, more than 5000 years ago --- which is actually true unlike your own false claim.

The oldest humain remains found in the whole of West Africa was found in Yorubaland at Iwo Eleru and the bones date to 7000BC.


Regarding your second boldened claim, the Binis do not have indigenous written history prior to Egharevba 1934, okay? Don't say what you don't know again oo. This is your last chance.


For the last part where you said I haven't answered you, I think it shows clearly that you don't read what you reply to.

It doesn't portray you well when you take your time to compose a reply in response to a comment that you know you didn't read. Think about that!

Sarah20A:
[s]I didn't care to read it because it's a history based on opinion not facts, I would also like to see his opinion about oduduwa which you earlier stated didnt exist.which of the Benin kings are buried in ife?[/s]

How do you know the detailed content of a paper you havent seen or read??

Please share this skill with me, I also need it.

And regarding your question about Oduduwa, I have already answered you since the first time you asked. You need to start reading what you will be replying to.

Also, please point out where I noted that Oduduwa did not exist. You can't afford to start chipping in lies. Leave that to the Benin boys.

Regarding burial, I have addressed that in details on this same thread Go back a few pages to study. I'm sorry you missed it.

You may also refer to the video I have attached inthe above comment for a sneak peek of what to expect.

TAO11:


How do you know the detailed content of a paper you havent seen or read??

Please share this skill with me, I also need it.

And regarding your question about Oduduwa, I have already answered you since the first time you asked. You need to start reading what you will be replying to.

Also, please point out where I noted that Oduduwa did not exist. You can't afford to start chipping in lies. Leave that to the Benin boys.

Regarding burial, I have addressed that in details on this same thread Go back a few pages to study. I'm sorry you missed it.

You may also refer to the video I have attached inthe above comment for a sneak peek of what to expect.

What do have to say about what your brother Metaphysical wrote below.

Re: Is This Not AROCHUKWU KINGS? Who Is OGANE To The East Of Bini? by MetaPhysical: 12:35pm
I reproduced it in clearer texts.

That document supports what you said in Eri being a Priest-King.

I had thought it was Arochuckwu that had Priest-Kings.

The point is a King in the East was above Oba of Benin in supremacy.

We said it couldn't be East....that the King was actually West, not East. But Edos themselves said no that we are wrong. They pointed us to what a Portuguese man said in mid-1500s and said the man was accurate.

That accuracy is what Im exploring. It seems to be yielding fruits based on that document. That was produced by Catherine Acholonu.

I know the Easterners have always said Edos migrated out of Onitsha going by narratives of Olaudah Equaino. What pushed Benin to prominence was contact with Portuguese and Dutch.....and if that contact had not been there Edo would be nobody.

It is beginning to make sense now. However, there is a missing link.

The missing link is the seat of power of that Superior King in East with brass cross. I opened this thread for that discovery.

Thanks for highlighting Eri. From that hint I found Acholonu's document. Read it yourself, it says a lot.

It did not once attribute any divine or kingship power to Bini as a founding member or even a principal source of divine authority from the source in Niger-Benue. It said Oduduwa and Eri held supremacy.

The document even took information from a son of Edo who wrote a book called Great Benin Classics and the book pointed to Supremacy elsewhere, not Benin.

So it agrees again with the claim that what made Benin great was contact with Europeans....among its peers in the native region Benin was inferior, and this agrees with the account of numerous writers, of European origin themselves.

davidnazee:

[s]Everything you have been doing is an example of Myth vs History.. you have been trying hard to prove your myths are true and history as false.
You keep referencing European explorers and early writers in your futile attempt at replacing known history with your foolish myths.
These Europeans and writers you referenced, many of them actually visited these parts and what did they meet or see?

They never saw a great Ife, not even ruins that point to an ancient great Kingdom of Ife. The only ruins they saw was of Oyo Kingdom.
But instead they saw a great and powerful Benin Kingdom which ruled over most of Yorubaland and your ancestors and that is exactly what they documented.[/s]

davidnazee:


[s]The only person lying is you. You cannot change Benin history, the details you are trying to debunk has been known for hundreds of years.
Better for you to talk about Ife history if there’s anything to really talk about.

Fact:: Benin Kingdom was far greater than Ife.
Fact:: Oduduwa is NOT Yoruba.[/s]

It is not my fault that your base thinking, your single digit IQ, and your thick skull does not make you realize that to be taken seriously by intelligent folks, you need to cite academic substantiation to buttress every single controvertible assertion you make.

You don't just tell an intelligent person that something is a fact and then pray that they will nod along in agreement without asking you for evidence, proof, or reason.

I can as well ask my four-year old daughter to take over the keyboard and type up any grandiose imagination from her mind about Yorubaland --- which is basically what you and your ilks have been doing.

Anyways, you have already confessed to be dvmb and scared to death to read written text without pictures.

In response to your confession, I have recommended "Queen Primer". Another recommendation is "My Book of Bible Story".

Despite your base level, you think you can challenge my four year-old daughter to a debate?

Like I have told you earlier, go away and let your parents talk to me.

You are way dvmber than I had thought.

samuk:



What do have to say about what your brother Metaphysical wrote below.

Re: Is This Not AROCHUKWU KINGS? Who Is OGANE To The East Of Bini? by MetaPhysical: 12:35pm
I reproduced it in clearer texts.

That document supports what you said in Eri being a Priest-King.

I had thought it was Arochuckwu that had Priest-Kings.

The point is a King in the East was above Oba of Benin in supremacy.

We said it couldn't be East....that the King was actually West, not East. But Edos themselves said no that we are wrong. They pointed us to what a Portuguese man said in mid-1500s and said the man was accurate.

That accuracy is what Im exploring. It seems to be yielding fruits based on that document. That was produced by Catherine Acholonu.

I know the Easterners have always said Edos migrated out of Onitsha going by narratives of Olaudah Equaino. What pushed Benin to prominence was contact with Portuguese and Dutch.....and if that contact had not been there Edo would be nobody.

It is beginning to make sense now. However, there is a missing link.

The missing link is the seat of power of that Superior King in East with brass cross. I opened this thread for that discovery.

Thanks for highlighting Eri. From that hint I found Acholonu's document. Read it yourself, it says a lot.

It did not once attribute any divine or kingship power to Bini as a founding member or even a principal source of divine authority from the source in Niger-Benue. It said Oduduwa and Eri held supremacy.

The document even took information from a son of Edo who wrote a book called Great Benin Classics and the book pointed to Supremacy elsewhere, not Benin.

So it agrees again with the claim that what made Benin great was contact with Europeans....among its peers in the native region Benin was inferior, and this agrees with the account of numerous writers, of European origin themselves.

The following is his reply in relation to that.

He was simply mocking your megalomania and your kinsmen's; knowing that you will run away from Ife and run into another kingdoms underlay.

The only shocking thing here is that you never realized even up till now that he was indeed mocking your megalomania and delusions of grandeur.

SMH!

MetaPhysical:


Yes, I know without doubt this was all in reference to Ife.

What is striking is all the writers on Benin agreed the Oba has a superior....whether they associate it to Ife, to Nupe/Igala or to Ibo.

That thread was to highlight East and its possibilities in advantage back to Ife.

Catherine Acholonu emphasized Oduduwa as the Idu of creation, the divine-King, as told by narratives of Great Benin classics.


So even if I point to East and Ibo country as the superior monarch mentioned.....there are classical history there to loop and acknowledge superiority and pre-Eminence of Ife.


I believe even Thornton, or perharps Ryder mentioned that even the Northern Arabs, Ibn Batutta specifically, recognized Nyffe (Iffe/Ife) as most powerful and most recognized King-Priest of the region.

No account has ever said Ooni reported to a superior....unlike Benin which every chronicler indeed said was inferior to another king.
This is key!

TAO11:




It is not my fault that your base thinking, your single digit IQ, and your thick skull does not make you realize that to be taken seriously by intelligent folks? then you need to cite academic substantiation to buttress every single controvertible assertion you make.

You don't just tell an intelligent person that something is a fact and then pray that he will nod along in agreement without asking you for evkdence, proof, or reason.

I can as well ask my four-year old daughter to takeover the key board and type any grandiose imagination about Yoruba land --- which is basically what you and your ilks have been doing.

Anyways you have already confessed to be dvmb and scared to death to read written text but just picture like Queen Primer and My Book of Bible Story. Yet you think you can challenge ny four year old daughter to debate.

Like I have told you earlier, go away and let your parents debate with me. You are way dvmber than I thought.

Fool leave your kid out of it before people start swearing for her lol.
Anyways why are you upset at my post? Isn’t it true?
Benin Kingdom was far greater than Ife, oduduwa is not Yoruba and all your argument centres around myths and false narrative.
Someone writing his opinion about what he thinks doesn’t make it true. What is true is what they witnessed and that is a powerful Benin ruling over most of Yorubaland and that is something that you can never change.

Anyways don’t forget Oduduwa is not Yoruba, he is a foreigner that came to rule your ancestors.. So what you are trying to prove with Benin is exactly what you Yorubas have accepted as your own case.

TAO11:


The following is his reply in relation to that.

He was simply mocking your megalomania and your kinsmen's; knowing that you will run away from Ife and run into another kingdoms underlay.

The only shocking thing here is that you never realized even up till now that he was indeed mocking your megalomania and delusions of grandeur.

SMH!

That was his reply to a nairaland Igbo guy that is exploring Eri angle to Benin history, it was not his reply to me or a Benin person.

davidnazee:


[s]Fool leave your kid out of it before people start swearing for her lol. Anyways why are you upset at my post? Isn’t it true?Benin Kingdom was far greater than Ife, oduduwa is not Yoruba and all your argument centres around myths and false narrative.
Someone writing his opinion about what he thinks doesn’t make it true. What is true is what they witnessed and that is a powerful Benin ruling over most of Yorubaland and that is something that you can never change.
Anyways don’t forget Oduduwa is not Yoruba, he is a foreigner that came to rule your ancestors.. So what you are trying to prove with Benin is exactly what you Yorubas have accepted as your own case.[/s]

Anytime you have grown up enough to realize that repeating a lie many many many wil not turn it into a truth (n other words learn to provide evidence for your claims) then I will consider letting my forur-year old daughter stoop low to debate you.


For now, go away and let your parents talk to me.








Odudwa is Yoruba --- A full blooded Ife-Yoruba.

They want to cry!

TAO11:


How do you know the detailed content of a paper you havent seen or read??

Please share this skill with me, I also need it.

And regarding your question about Oduduwa, I have already answered you since the first time you asked. You need to start reading what you will be replying to.

Also, please point out where I noted that Oduduwa did not exist. You can't afford to start chipping in lies. Leave that to the Benin boys.

Regarding burial, I have addressed that in details on this same thread Go back a few pages to study. I'm sorry you missed it.

You may also refer to the video I have attached inthe above comment for a sneak peek of what to expect.

Below is what Metaphysical said about how stupid your Orun Oba Ado fallacy is

MetaPhysical:


You are still uncivilized gregyboy, still very uncivilized!

There are rites performed at succession to thrones and the new king takes a sacred oath over the body of the predecessor. This oath seals the continuity of dynasty. Once the predecessor is put into ground his remains can never, and must never, again come out. Its a taboo to exhume a king. This is reason they are never buried in cemetry.

If you exhume the heads of kings their successors will perish.

Willett was told by your chiefs in Edo the tradition of sending the head of your Oba for burial in Ife. Willett went to Ife and corroborated the story. He asked to see the site and it was shown to him. He went about digging the sites looking for buried heads. What a foolish Englishman! Did he expect the people to break their taboos because an Englishman wanted to prove their account? The most absurd request!

The fact that both side corroborate same account should be enuff.

Your elders say its tradition in Benin, Ife say its tradition but your forest-roaming instinct wants a dig.

People are not reckless like you and Willett.

TAO11:


I boldened the first part of your comment to tell you to provide the academic evidence for the 2500 yeaars. Please i dont want to laugh.

See ehn my sister, anybody can type up any number and say for example that the Yoruba have been living in their homeland for since 7000 BC --- that is more than 5000 years ago --- which is actually true unlike your own false claim.

The oldest humain remains found in the whole of West Africa was found in Yorubaland at Iwo Eleru and the bones date to 7000BC.


Regarding your second boldened claim, the Binis do not have indigenous written history prior to Egharevba 1934, okay? Don't say what you don't know again oo. This is your last chance.


For the last part where you said I haven't answered you, I think it shows clearly that you don't read what yoi reply to.

It doesn't portray you well when you take your time to compose a reply in response to a comment that you know you didn't read. Think about that!

yes that skull is 13,000 years old and more primitive than its age but doesn't have the resemblance of the modern human.
Don't get me wrong I said the Benins used artworks an evidence to support their oral history and when those artworks were stolen the authenticity of their history was questioned. Hope you understand me now.

I did read your response to my questions but you didn't reply my on time that was why I kept repeating myself .don't conclude without knowing if I read them or not.

I will try to mention you where you said oduduwa didn't exist and I will apologise if it wasn't you that said it.

I didn't see any video you made mentioned of and I don't want to read the whole of that article because it was based on personal opinion not facts. If you really want me to go through it then you'll have to send me an article about his opinion regarding oduduwa.

You can't make believe that my oba came from people who claimed that their king came from the sky others said he was from mecca and some are even saying Egypt .so please I would like to know his opinion on oduduwa then I can view my opinion to myself.