komekn:


We are not contending with Algeria or Egypt it's Boko Haram it's not conventional warfare.

Not what we need and therefore not fit for purpose. IMO

AskiaHarem:


Get the Bleep out of here coon. It's braindeads like you that are the reason countries like France and beyond still have much of the continent under uninterrupted economic and soilshilogic slavery and why there about to test bio agents here.

komekn:


Don't piggy back on some one elses comments that's a bit weak.

And if you do, of you can take a screen shot of my comments you can of his.

I was very specific not general.

You comment but you don't address the issue in any way or form.

komekn:


I have one answer for you SILENCE

komekn:


90% of Boko combatants will have an mainly light arms. Then the smaller % will have RPG's and of course the obligatory sometimes battered gun trucks with HMG.

When the lead starts flying what's your survival chance in the back of a pick up truck then if you survive that of course you would have taken casualties. What's then is your response afterwards, not very effective my opinion. You are now trying to stay alive, disorientated and shocked.

Which would you rather be in a BTR 80 with 30mm that will give protection from the Ak raining round around you. And a chance to respond. If we retrofit cage armour you have negated the RPG threat to some degree.

In addition BTR is great off road, never have to follow the same track twice. Very difficult to set up IED ambush.

Which would your prefer to be in, a $50 K used BTR or a $50k brand new Toyota truck.

komekn:
Topic for discussion and question.

Quite recently well last 18 months a lot of talk went into the procurement from the USA of 12 Super Tucano A29 light attach aircraft.

Cost of procurement for 12 aircraft $600 million.

It's been presented by quite a few as the game charger we need in the SE to completely turn the tide in this seemingly never ending war.

Is this " best value " and best use of our very limited resources for the greatest impact and best outcome delivery.

If you do agree why ❓ and if you don't what would be your alternative procurement model and or approach.

phazotron:
The fact is that our soldiers aren't the ones to be blamed for the prolonged nature of this war. The people who are responsible for this mess is the men in charge of our security and intelligence infrastructure.

The president
National security adviser
The minister of defense
Our intelligence agencies
The army and air force leadership

This war can be won fairly quickly (1yr) using the right tactics and weapons.

We need better long endurance aerial reconnaissance and striking hardware that can be in the air 24/7 being on the lookout, ready to strike at moments notice. Dozens of armed drones to patrol our borders. Even more to watch sambisa forest and the lake chad region. Its not every time we need to send our boys to put their lives in danger on the ground. With the right aerial strategy and weapons, we can make BH afraid to move in the open.

these tucanos don't look like they'll be able to take heavy fire.we need heavy duty stuff

Su25s
Ac130s if possible
More mi35 helos

There is no battlefield command, control and coordination system. Especially BTW the army and air force. Do we have laser designators and other targeting equipment we can use to relay targets to our aerial platforms?

Our guys need better weapons and vehicles with heavy armor. These Toyota pickups we use is rubbish. None of our ifvs should be lightly armored. What happend to tanks? There are many good Tanks that aren't expensive na.

The boys need upgraded armor. What about sniper teams? Night vision goggles and thermal imaging devices? Those will make it easy for us to strike at night thereby giving us the element of surprise.

How I wish I was head of procurement for NA

our intelligence agencies are the greatest failure and embarrassments of this war. Identifying the logistic and organizational structure of BH/iswap should be the job of the DSS nia and dmi rather than intimidating innocent citizens and making a joke of themselves. The saying "drain the pond to kill the fish" comes to play here. We must also have an emphasis on degrading the organizational and logistics structure of BH. If we can identify how they get fuel and tools for their vehicles, how the get funding, movement patterns then we can get ahead of this thing.

Intelligence gathering is the biggest key to this fight. The sooner we do these the better. Enough of reactive strategy, its time for us to be proactive.

phazotron:



I don't know why we keep choosing these tucanos


We can do so much better.

phazotron:
The fact is that our soldiers aren't the ones to be blamed for the prolonged nature of this war. The people who are responsible for this mess is the men in charge of our security and intelligence infrastructure.

The president
National security adviser
The minister of defense
Our intelligence agencies
The army and air force leadership

This war can be won fairly quickly (1yr) using the right tactics and weapons.

We need better long endurance aerial reconnaissance and striking hardware that can be in the air 24/7 being on the lookout, ready to strike at moments notice. Dozens of armed drones to patrol our borders. Even more to watch sambisa forest and the lake chad region. Its not every time we need to send our boys to put their lives in danger on the ground. With the right aerial strategy and weapons, we can make BH afraid to move in the open.

these tucanos don't look like they'll be able to take heavy fire.we need heavy duty stuff

Su25s
Ac130s if possible
More mi35 helos

There is no battlefield command, control and coordination system. Especially BTW the army and air force. Do we have laser designators and other targeting equipment we can use to relay targets to our aerial platforms?

Our guys need better weapons and vehicles with heavy armor. These Toyota pickups we use is rubbish. None of our ifvs should be lightly armored. What happend to tanks? There are many good Tanks that aren't expensive na.

The boys need upgraded armor. What about sniper teams? Night vision goggles and thermal imaging devices? Those will make it easy for us to strike at night thereby giving us the element of surprise.

How I wish I was head of procurement for NA

our intelligence agencies are the greatest failure and embarrassments of this war. Identifying the logistic and organizational structure of BH/iswap should be the job of the DSS nia and dmi rather than intimidating innocent citizens and making a joke of themselves. The saying "drain the pond to kill the fish" comes to play here. We must also have an emphasis on degrading the organizational and logistics structure of BH. If we can identify how they get fuel and tools for their vehicles, how the get funding, movement patterns then we can get ahead of this thing.

Intelligence gathering is the biggest key to this fight. The sooner we do these the better. Enough of reactive strategy, its time for us to be proactive.

bidexiii:
Someone sighted the MBT been transported from Apapa


https://twitter.com/vitoaop1231/status/1248023975629918208?s=21

jln115:
If some people actually understood COIN warfare then they wouldn't be saying Nigeria should've gotten more T-72s.................

Firstly because its COIN warfare, you aint going to drive columns of Tanks in to the battle field!! thus what's the point in buying 100 T-72, when you are only going to have a handful in the battle field in the first place?

Secondly what's the most common anti tank weapon used by rebels/insurgence? its the RPG, Now I don't know if any of you have seen what an RPG-7 can do to a T-72? it cooks it, that's what it does. The VT4 on the other hand would shrug of an RPG-7 hit as if its nothing, the only thing that can destroy a VT4 is modern ATGMs and modern RPG-28s which aren't freely available to Insurgence like BH.

Coupled with the SH-5 105mm(C130 transportable) and ST1 AFV this has been so far one of the smartest Nigerian defence force acquisitions to date!!

AskiaHarem:


Not bad but I'd rather see a squadron or two of Su30s. At least the Airforce is getting J-17s.

America will NEVER EVER sell Nigeria a single AC130 or any type of sophisticated heavy weapons systems no matter what! When will you guys ever accept this?

phazotron:



Na only us dey sell them? We can buy used ones from 3rd party sellers like countries who want to upgrade their hardware. A little diplomatic maradonna may be involved, but its possible.

jln115:
If some people actually understood COIN warfare then they wouldn't be saying Nigeria should've gotten more T-72s.................

Firstly because its COIN warfare, you aint going to drive columns of Tanks in to the battle field!! thus what's the point in buying 100 T-72, when you are only going to have a handful in the battle field in the first place?

Secondly what's the most common anti tank weapon used by rebels/insurgence? its the RPG, Now I don't know if any of you have seen what an RPG-7 can do to a T-72? it cooks it, that's what it does. The VT4 on the other hand would shrug of an RPG-7 hit as if its nothing, the only thing that can destroy a VT4 is modern ATGMs and modern RPG-28s which aren't freely available to Insurgence like BH.

Coupled with the SH-5 105mm(C130 transportable) and ST1 AFV this has been so far one of the smartest Nigerian defence force acquisitions to date!!

AskiaHarem:


I agree I'd rather see some SUs or Migs but the tucanos are just so much more cost efficient for dealing with these types of insurgencies. At least the Airforce is getting the J-17s.

slimthugchimee2:


And don't forget we have ordered and receiving a lot of MRAPS from proforce ARA and EZUGWU, so what's the need buying outside again

slimthugchimee2:


US can still block that sale if they want to

Remember the brazil super tucano?

Sizzorkay:
What on earth are you talking about?
Why are you guys straying from topic, i don't care about the politics of things or what dealing went on in the dark.
My comment was about whether the US military can wipe out the Taliban militarily if they wanted to. Nothing more.
And answer is Yes, if they wanted to, without consideration for the loss of civilian lives or infrastructure.
And unless you live under a rock, I'm sure there is infrastructure in Afghanistan, they don't sleep on sand over there. There are homes, businesses etc, telephone networks, Govt buildings. Schools etc. That's what i meant by infrastructure.

Sizzorkay:
What's the importance of that region to Nigeria's economy? That's a serious question.
Now imagine if BH/ ISWAP is doing this in Lagos State or Abuja, would the response have been different?
In other words, if there is little economic harm being done, could that be the reason why they show such lack of seriousness.
I don't know, just wondering out loud.
I mean, if this was happening in more economic vibrant regions of the country, they'd be in recession by now, or are they already? ha, have no clue

phazotron:



Someone said 15 for $600m. Very cost ineffective bro. I Don't think that's true sha. But still, we need heavily built, full cas attack aircraft that have endurance capabilities and can pummel BH 3 hours nonstop. These tucanos isn't just it. We could have gotten more su25s, mi35, ka25s, a ton of attack drones and the Russian equivalent of the ac130 and b52 bomber.


I think the air force leadership needs some real punishment/sanctioning. They're pretty much the reason why our bases fall to BH and our boys have to retreat from time to time. In the general Adeniyi video, man complained they came under at least 100 RPGs fired from BH. They were flanked on all sides. So many stories of no air support during a 2-3hr gunfight whereas in the us army it would have been the opposite. Na air force bombers go dey do d work while marines go dey flex.

phazotron:



Okay let's say ure right. The Russians will have an ac130 equivalent definitely. I know it. Like I said earlier, why am I not coas/hop for Nigerian armed forces?

slimthugchimee2:


US can still block that sale if they want to

Remember the brazil super tucano?

AskiaHarem:


Not bad but I'd rather see a squadron or two of Su30s. At least the Airforce is getting J-17s.

America will NEVER EVER sell Nigeria a single AC130 or any type of sophisticated heavy weapons systems no matter what! When will you guys ever accept this?

kabe1:


Nigeria needs a minimum of 24 JF-17, this one we are buying 3 units doesn't make any sense.

kabe1:


The Russians don't have an AC-130 equivalent.

kabe1:


The US can block a sale from Russia and China if they want.

The US blocked the sale of SU-35 fighter jets Indonesia wants to buy from Russia.