ikechukwu21:
I can almost see the expression on you face right now. "This guy must be either naive or daft to even think this" you may say. But hold on follow me closely. Don't conclude I am wrong just yet.

I don't have time for much write up so let's get down to business fast.

if you wish for your child to be formally educated where do you take them? The Church or Mosque? No! You must take them to a proper school right?

Why was the Church created? Please note that by church here I don't mean Christian religious denominations because that's where most people get it wrong. A denomination is not a church. Why did I say so? It is because denominations thrive mostly on man-made doctrines and human differences that has steamed from individuals interpretation of scriptures. So it is based on this interpretation and understanding of these individuals that denominations are formed.

Let me return... Why was the Church formed? It was formed basically for the spiritual and mental growth, transformation, maturing and edification of believers all over until everyone of them can become a replica of Jesus Christ in every way. (please refer to Ephesians 4: 11-16). So there you have it. The Church is a school of the Spirit but unfortunately many do not care to grow in this school. They would rather worship and revere the word of their pastor over God's Word any day anytime. It's just like someone who is a student but would party from the beginning of the semester till the end and then expect to copy answers from someone during examination whom he isn't sure of whether they are giving the right answers to questions asked or not. So just like this student, unfortunately these are the majority of "Christians" that make up the church today. They don't want to go through the stress of knowing God because it is quite costly. They'd rather pay FULL attention to their jobs and hustle and go listen to pastor precah on Sunday. Is Pastor saying the right thing? They don't know(1 John 4:1).

These set of Christians are forever dependent on others (Hebrews 5:12). It is not permitted in this School of the Spirit called the Church.

Lastly, as long as your primary aim of "seeking God" is to be blessed you'll continue to be scammed full time. If you're in that category I want to direct you to your ancestors... Jesus encountered them during His time here on earth (John 6:23-27). These guys as Jesus said, were not interested in learning the system that governed the kingdom. They were not at all interested in being part of this kingdom which Jesus was teaching rather they were oy following because of bread which He gave them the previous day.

Apostle Paul encouraged us to "study to show ourselves competent as workmen, as citizens of this kingdom (2 Tim. 2:15). But guess what? Alot of Christians are way too lazy to do this. Studying entails deep searching of truth with the 100% involvement of the Teacher himself - the Holy Spirt. Oh! How I love Him.

So there you have it. Stop saying that Pastors are scam. If you want them to stop scamming you go and tread the path that all serious Christians have once treaded on or are presently treading. Stop being lazy! Because there's no how you'll stay with God's Word and have a commited prayer life (not the kind of prayer that you're always asking God for blessing. I mean a prayer life which is built solidly on a hunger to know God) and you won't grow. It's not possible. Most people are not interested in this. They don't want to know God. So that's where the problem lies. So if you've been doing this, it's time for you to stop and pursue God sincerely then you'll become a mighty man with power and grace. No one will scam you anymore. I hope you understand my caption now?

PS: It's good to have someone as a physical guide but please don't make them God to yourself. They may not always be right you know? The fact that that great man of God heard from God yesterday doesn't mean He heard from God today. Only the wise will understand.

sonmvayina:
All pastors are fakes and liers ...How can you look somebody in the eyes and tell them a woman got pregnant without a man's sperm....

You can only have a PhD in fakery and lying.

Faithful4real:
But the bible said in the last day(which we are in) false prophet shall arise.

hakeem4:
Actually, there are also no real pastors or religious leaders anywhere.



We just have people who can not comprehend the awesomeness of the universe and life. So they have to attribute it to a creator

Professorcplus:
[b]...a life full of mysteries, uncertainty and challenges; here we found ourselves. We're traped in life full of challenges yet, the only way to exist it is through death.

...It will be a nightmare for human to think they're all alone on a lifeless rock called earth. But who will they lean on in dark time full of terror.

...Some were strong enough to comfort themselves in harsh times but some were not for their psychological desires can't withstand it.

Why do people go to church? To feel among, not to get lonely, to seek divine help, no other places to go, to hookup with life partner, to socialize, to add meaning to life, To find comforter, seek for joy, to feel go, to lean on.

No doubt these attributes aren't bad for human in normal sense. But the problem is why hold unto a belief you aren't guaranteed of. This belief are harmful, toxic, Confirmatory biased, poisonous to human mental being.

Until human can stand up to the reality of their existence, face their challenges and find the answers to the mysteries that surrounds them, they will always be a slave to dogma belief.
[/b]

ikechukwu21:


Explain how you were formed sir. Convince me.

ikechukwu21:


Explain how you were formed sir. Convince me.

CAPSLOCKED:


LOL, YOU DON'T WANT TO BE CONVINCED. YOU JUST WANT TO ARGUE AND QUOTE BIBLE VERSES.

ikechukwu21:


Its very simple. I want to be convinced. Guys all over say there's no God so I want those questions I asked up there to be addressed first. We can begin from there.

Faithful4real:
But the bible said in the last day(which we are in) false prophet shall arise.

CAPSLOCKED:


WE'RE NOT IN THE LAST DAY.
YOU WILL DIE, YOUR CHILDREN WILL DIE, THEIR CHILDREN WILL DIE, AND THEIR GREAT GREAT GRAND CHILDREN WILL DIE, AND THE EARTH WILL STILL BE IN EXISTENCE.
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN LIVING HERE FOR OVER 10,000 YEARS. MAYBE IN THE YEAR 4085, NIGERIA WILL BE THE MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY, AND PEOPLE WILL SIMPLY FORGET ABOUT THE COMING OF A CERTAIN JEWISH CHRIST AND JUST CARRY ON WITH THEIR LIVES.

Professorcplus:

[b]...I know your point of view. But I assume I don't know. To begin with your biblical story of how man was formed which was written on CONFIRMATION BIAS.

1. When animals and human died, it begins to decompose rotten, and degraded back to mix with soil. Many have witnessed it then and becomes generally acceptable. So it is easier to tell the people that God made them from sand/dust. Obviously they know not any other answer to the mystery because they weren't exposed to enough knowledge.

2. God created Eve from Adams rib. This is also said/written based on confirmation bias. According to Holy Bible, Moses wrote Genesis. So if Moses was born in a society where men goes to war, bring goodies of war for women to feed on. Men take major decisions and affair of the nation. The only useful thing women does was to give the men s x and born children. Infact some tribe, women who born more males is given honor among her peer. So if God wants to talk to a prophet, it would be insane for God to create women same as He's created men because it's patriarchal society.

This is information age! google, you can find out how you are formed [/b]but don't let your belief cloud your sense of judgement

sonmvayina:
All pastors are fakes and liers ...
How can you look somebody in the eyes and tell them a woman got pregnant without a man's sperm....

sonmvayina:
You can only have a PhD in fakery and lying.

ikechukwu21:


I have just one task for you "smart man" I want you to tell me the exact time you fall asleep tonight. I'm not talking about when you close your eyes o. I'm talking about the exact time you fall asleep If you can do that, then I'll agree with your theory but if you can't then your brain is too small. Almighty "Comprehender."
Comprehend ko comprehension ni.

hakeem4:


[b]How does this prove that
1) Jesus is the son of god? [/b]
2) Mohammed is the last prophet
3) Jesus died and came back after 3 days
And lastly

This your question doesn’t make any sense

ikechukwu21:


If you can't explain how u were able to enter into this world without an aircraft or a vehicle or how something as watery as sperm could form a human out of you then you're the FOOL here. With all your wisdom you can't create an ant yet you have guts to talk about something you can't fathom. You think you're wise because opera mini dashed you 50mb to browse. Foolish children everywhere

MuttleyLaff:
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Who is the liar here now, lol?

This is one of the beauties of the Convenient Virus. It is conveniently allowing me to catch up on reading stacking high up to almost ceiling literally, unread subscriptions to the New Scientist magazine.

I just pray sonmvayina, that your ignorance, wont be the end of you, lol

Yinmu. sonmvayina Mr Walking Contradictions himself, lol. You would know about contradicting yourself, fakery(ies) and lying, lol

sonmvayina:
I will give you time to figure out the stupidity in your post...
If you are sincere to yourself...

MuttleyLaff:

Yinmu. Poverty is a bastrad, lol, lemme finish eating.

Mr Walking Contradictions, Mr stupider, will of course, recognise and/or know what he stupidly wrongly though stupidity is, lol. Mr olodo rapata upon twenty. Smh

Since hin no go beta for poverty's father and you wont fork out money to subscribe to the New Scientist magazaine, I will paste excerpt from page 31 for you to read and eat your heart out. This is 2000 years after and doing catching up

"YUE SHAO wasn’t trying to create an embryo. But, a few years ago, working in a lab at the University of Michigan, he witnessed something mind-boggling. The cells he was working with seemed to assemble themselves into what looked just like an early-stage human.

“We were looking for something else,” says Shao, a bioengineer now at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology – but “serendipity hit”.

The idea that scientists could create the first steps towards human life is astonishing, but Shao’s discovery wasn’t the first. A year before he published his results in 2017, research by a team in Japan led to the birth of live mouse pups using eggs the team made from adult skin cells.

Discoveries like these are bringing us closer to solving some of the most intractable problems in reproductive biology and medicine. By recreating these first days of development in the lab, researchers are breaking open the black box of early pregnancy, a poorly understood and fragile time at which most miscarriages happen and fertility treatments fail.

Now 40 years after the birth of the first test-tube baby, the potential of these breakthroughs is heralding a new biological revolution, one that forces us to rethink what it means to reproduce and make a baby. And there’s a lot to consider. Imagine being able to conceive a child from someone’s skin cells, for instance – with or without their consent. Given the ability to make a human artificially, we need to decide whether we want to.

Already, some 1.5 per cent of all babies born in western Europe, North America and Australia are conceived …"

kkins25:
Sonmvayina is somewhat right you know. We know that in some organisms like comodo dragon a process called parthenogenesis where by females get pregnant without the influence of spermcells takes place naturally.

You are also correct and of course the articles you posted prove your point.

However, there is one loophole in the virgin birth of jesus that makes sonmvayina win this battle... Should i Continue...?

MuttleyLaff:
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Who is the liar here now, lol?

This is one of the beauties of the Convenient Virus. It is conveniently allowing me to catch up on reading stacking high up to almost ceiling literally, unread subscriptions to the New Scientist magazine.

I just pray sonmvayina, that your ignorance, wont be the end of you, lol

Yinmu. sonmvayina Mr Walking Contradictions himself, lol. You would know about contradicting yourself, fakery(ies) and lying, lol

CaveAdullam:
Please link to the article above.

MuttleyLaff:
If you are in town I can loan you my hardcopy version, if not then make do with the below link. I have plugged in the search strings for you, to save you groping about, lol
https://www.newscientist.com/search/?q=no+eggs+no+sperm+no+womb

MuttleyLaff:
Sonmvayina, isnt saying anything new or something I dont already know

Please do continue, as after you, I would place my long stick alongside yours and then both of us together can examine both sticks to see which is crooked or not, as in which isnt straight, lol

PS: There isnt a loophole in the virgin birth anywhere ojaare, stop deceiving yourselves, lol. Oinnn

Have you read anything like whats in that New Scientist magazine before?. OK, given you maybe havent, please explain kkins25, how before the virgin birth..

Bio-ninja mode activated.

.. an impotent old man and his long overgone menopause elderly wife were able to have and give birth to a bonny bouncing baby boy son, hmm?

kkins25:
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