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There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by ikechukwu21(m): 11:57am On Apr 10, 2020 |
I can almost see the expression on you face right now. "This guy must be either naive or daft to even think this" you may say. But hold on follow me closely. Don't conclude I am wrong just yet. I don't have time for much write up so let's get down to business fast. if you wish for your child to be formally educated where do you take them? The Church or Mosque? No! You must take them to a proper school right? Why was the Church created? Please note that by church here I don't mean Christian religious denominations because that's where most people get it wrong. A denomination is not a church. Why did I say so? It is because denominations thrive mostly on man-made doctrines and human differences that has steamed from individuals interpretation of scriptures. So it is based on this interpretation and understanding of these individuals that denominations are formed. Let me return... Why was the Church formed? It was formed basically for the spiritual and mental growth, transformation, maturing and edification of believers all over until everyone of them can become a replica of Jesus Christ in every way. (please refer to Ephesians 4: 11-16). So there you have it. The Church is a school of the Spirit but unfortunately many do not care to grow in this school. They would rather worship and revere the word of their pastor over God's Word any day anytime. It's just like someone who is a student but would party from the beginning of the semester till the end and then expect to copy answers from someone during examination whom he isn't sure of whether they are giving the right answers to questions asked or not. So just like this student, unfortunately these are the majority of "Christians" that make up the church today. They don't want to go through the stress of knowing God because it is quite costly. They'd rather pay FULL attention to their jobs and hustle and go listen to pastor precah on Sunday. Is Pastor saying the right thing? They don't know(1 John 4:1). These set of Christians are forever dependent on others (Hebrews 5:12). It is not permitted in this School of the Spirit called the Church. Lastly, as long as your primary aim of "seeking God" is to be blessed you'll continue to be scammed full time. If you're in that category I want to direct you to your ancestors... Jesus encountered them during His time here on earth (John 6:23-27). These guys as Jesus said, were not interested in learning the system that governed the kingdom. They were not at all interested in being part of this kingdom which Jesus was teaching rather they were oy following because of bread which He gave them the previous day. Apostle Paul encouraged us to "study to show ourselves competent as workmen, as citizens of this kingdom (2 Tim. 2:15). But guess what? Alot of Christians are way too lazy to do this. Studying entails deep searching of truth with the 100% involvement of the Teacher himself - the Holy Spirt. Oh! How I love Him. So there you have it. Stop saying that Pastors are scam. If you want them to stop scamming you go and tread the path that all serious Christians have once treaded on or are presently treading. Stop being lazy! Because there's no how you'll stay with God's Word and have a commited prayer life (not the kind of prayer that you're always asking God for blessing. I mean a prayer life which is built solidly on a hunger to know God) and you won't grow. It's not possible. Most people are not interested in this. They don't want to know God. So that's where the problem lies. So if you've been doing this, it's time for you to stop and pursue God sincerely then you'll become a mighty man with power and grace. No one will scam you anymore. I hope you understand my caption now? PS: It's good to have someone as a physical guide but please don't make them God to yourself. They may not always be right you know? The fact that that great man of God heard from God yesterday doesn't mean He heard from God today. Only the wise will understand. 2 Likes
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Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by ikechukwu21(m): 11:58am On Apr 10, 2020 |
I wish Christians were taught on how to know Christ rather than how to convince them to belong or remain loyal to a particular pastor or denomination. COVID-19 has proved that without going to "Church" on Sundays, most people can't connect to God by themselves. So I'm thinking... What if you can't watch your pastor preach online or on TV during this lockdown... Will you still be able to grow by yourself or will you wait until the lockdown is over to continue feeding from where you stopped? 3 Likes |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by Faithful4real(m): 3:55pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
ikechukwu21:But the bible said in the last day(which we are in) false prophet shall arise. |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by sonmvayina(m): 4:00pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
All pastors are fakes and liers ...How can you look somebody in the eyes and tell them a woman got pregnant without a man's sperm.... You can only have a PhD in fakery and lying. 3 Likes |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by ikechukwu21(m): 6:26pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
sonmvayina: If you can't explain how u were able to enter into this world without an aircraft or a vehicle or how something as watery as sperm could form a human out of you then you're the FOOL here. With all your wisdom you can't create an ant yet you have guts to talk about something you can't fathom. You think you're wise because opera mini dashed you 50mb to browse. Foolish children everywhere 4 Likes |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by ikechukwu21(m): 6:29pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Faithful4real:Yes you're right. And that's what my post is portraying. It's talking about everyone searching for God by themselves so that no fake pastor or prophet will be able to decieve them. One love 1 Like |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by hakeem4(m): 6:32pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Actually, there are also no real pastors or religious leaders anywhere. We just have people who can not comprehend the awesomeness of the universe and life. So they have to attribute it to a creator 5 Likes |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by Professorcplus(m): 6:35pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
[b]...a life full of mysteries, uncertainty and challenges; here we found ourselves. We're traped in life full of challenges yet, the only way to exist it is through death. ...It will be a nightmare for human to think they're all alone on a lifeless rock called earth. But who will they lean on in dark time full of terror. ...Some were strong enough to comfort themselves in harsh times but some were not for their psychological desires can't withstand it. Why do people go to church? To feel among, not to get lonely, to seek divine help, no other places to go, to hookup with life partner, to socialize, to add meaning to life, To find comforter, seek for joy, to feel go, to lean on. No doubt these attributes aren't bad for human in normal sense. But the problem is why hold unto a belief you aren't guaranteed of. This belief are harmful, toxic, Confirmatory biased, poisonous to human mental being. Until human can stand up to the reality of their existence, face their challenges and find the answers to the mysteries that surrounds them, they will always be a slave to dogma belief. [/b] 2 Likes |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by ikechukwu21(m): 7:11pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
hakeem4: I have just one task for you "smart man" I want you to tell me the exact time you fall asleep tonight. I'm not talking about when you close your eyes o. I'm talking about the exact time you fall asleep If you can do that, then I'll agree with your theory but if you can't then your brain is too small. Almighty "Comprehender." Comprehend ko comprehension ni. 2 Likes |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by ikechukwu21(m): 7:15pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Professorcplus: Explain how you were formed sir. Convince me. 1 Like |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by Professorcplus(m): 7:54pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
ikechukwu21:[b]...I know your point of view. But I assume I don't know. To begin with your biblical story of how man was formed which was written on CONFIRMATION BIAS. 1. When animals and human died, it begins to decompose rotten, and degraded back to mix with soil. Many have witnessed it then and becomes generally acceptable. So it is easier to tell the people that God made them from sand/dust. Obviously they know not any other answer to the mystery because they weren't exposed to enough knowledge. 2. God created Eve from Adams rib. This is also said/written based on confirmation bias. According to Holy Bible, Moses wrote Genesis. So if Moses was born in a society where men goes to war, bring goodies of war for women to feed on. Men take major decisions and affair of the nation. The only useful thing women does was to give the men s x and born children. Infact some tribe, women who born more males is given honor among her peer. So if God wants to talk to a prophet, it would be insane for God to create women same as He's created men because it's patriarchal society. This is information age! google, you can find out how you are formed but don't let your belief cloud your sense of judgement [/b] 1 Like |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by CAPSLOCKED: 7:57pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
ikechukwu21: LOL, YOU DON'T WANT TO BE CONVINCED. YOU JUST WANT TO ARGUE AND QUOTE BIBLE VERSES. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by ikechukwu21(m): 8:24pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
CAPSLOCKED: Its very simple. I want to be convinced. Guys all over say there's no God so I want those questions I asked up there to be addressed first. We can begin from there. 1 Like |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by CAPSLOCKED: 8:32pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
ikechukwu21: THEY DON'T SAY THERE'S NO GOD. THEY'RE USED TO HEARING YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR GOD AND ITS EXISTENCE, SO THEY'RE THE ONES WHO SHOULD BE CONVINCED THAT YOUR CLAIM IS CORRECT. 3 Likes |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by CAPSLOCKED: 8:39pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Faithful4real: WE'RE NOT IN THE LAST DAY. YOU WILL DIE, YOUR CHILDREN WILL DIE, THEIR CHILDREN WILL DIE, AND THEIR GREAT GREAT GRAND CHILDREN WILL DIE, AND THE EARTH WILL STILL BE IN EXISTENCE. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN LIVING HERE FOR OVER 10,000 YEARS. MAYBE IN THE YEAR 4085, NIGERIA WILL BE THE MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY, AND PEOPLE WILL SIMPLY FORGET ABOUT THE COMING OF A CERTAIN JEWISH CHRIST AND JUST CARRY ON WITH THEIR LIVES. 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by ikechukwu21(m): 11:07pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
CAPSLOCKED: If they have told you that your whole life would change because of a global disease you go gree? Na so rapture go take be you like film too. No worry MATTHEW 24:37 downwards. KJV:But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 KJV:For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 KJV:And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 KJV:Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 KJV:Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42 KJV:Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43 KJV:But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 KJV:Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by ikechukwu21(m): 11:19pm On Apr 10, 2020 |
Professorcplus: Very funny. Using google to find out about how you were created. This has got to be the funniest thing I've read in a long long time. 1 Like |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by MuttleyLaff: 12:00am On Apr 11, 2020 |
sonmvayina:[img]https://s6/images/s-l640.jpg[/img] Who is the liar here now, lol? This is one of the beauties of the Convenient Virus. It is conveniently allowing me to catch up on reading stacking high up to almost ceiling literally, unread subscriptions to the New Scientist magazine. I just pray sonmvayina, that your ignorance, wont be the end of you, lol sonmvayina:Yinmu. sonmvayina Mr Walking Contradictions himself, lol. You would know about contradicting yourself, fakery(ies) and lying, lol |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by hakeem4(m): 1:52am On Apr 11, 2020 |
ikechukwu21: How does this prove that 1) Jesus is the son of god? 2) Mohammed is the last prophet 3) Jesus died and came back after 3 days And lastly This your question doesn’t make any sense 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by orisa37: 9:15am On Apr 11, 2020 |
Where two or three are gathered in my Name, there I am in their midst. |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by ikechukwu21(m): 12:22pm On Apr 11, 2020 |
hakeem4: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are (spiritually discerned. (1 Cor. 2:14) In this kingdom we don't argue. Rather we instruct those who are willing to come to Christ. Cheers! 1 Like |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by kumulus(m): 12:48pm On Apr 11, 2020 |
ikechukwu21: Are you any wiser than he in what you've said....that you don't know how sperm became flesh and blood doesn't mean no one knows. If I told you organs had been successfully GROWN in labs you most probably would call me unprintable names too. Your write-up was great for the most....don't ruin it by unnecessary submissions. The wise is he who didn't know. -Lloyd 1 Like |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by sonmvayina(m): 2:12pm On Apr 11, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: I will give you time to figure out the stupidity in your post... If you are sincere to yourself... |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by MuttleyLaff: 3:18pm On Apr 11, 2020 |
sonmvayina: ![]() Yinmu. Poverty is a bastard, lol, lemme finish eating. Mr Walking Contradictions, Mr stupider, will of course, recognise and/or know what he stupidly wrongly though stupidity is, lol. Mr olodo rapata upon twenty. Smh Since hin no go beta for poverty's father and you wont fork out money to subscribe to the New Scientist magazine, I will paste excerpt from page 31 for you to read and eat your heart out. This is 2000 years after and doing catching up "YUE SHAO wasn’t trying to create an embryo. But, a few years ago, working in a lab at the University of Michigan, he witnessed something mind-boggling. The cells he was working with seemed to assemble themselves into what looked just like an early-stage human. “We were looking for something else,” says Shao, a bioengineer now at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology – but “serendipity hit”. The idea that scientists could create the first steps towards human life is astonishing, but Shao’s discovery wasn’t the first. A year before he published his results in 2017, research by a team in Japan led to the birth of live mouse pups using eggs the team made from adult skin cells. Discoveries like these are bringing us closer to solving some of the most intractable problems in reproductive biology and medicine. By recreating these first days of development in the lab, researchers are breaking open the black box of early pregnancy, a poorly understood and fragile time at which most miscarriages happen and fertility treatments fail. Now 40 years after the birth of the first test-tube baby, the potential of these breakthroughs is heralding a new biological revolution, one that forces us to rethink what it means to reproduce and make a baby. And there’s a lot to consider. Imagine being able to conceive a child from someone’s skin cells, for instance – with or without their consent. Given the ability to make a human artificially, we need to decide whether we want to. Already, some 1.5 per cent of all babies born in western Europe, North America and Australia are conceived …" - Making babies: How to create human embryos with no egg or sperm Artificial wombs and embryos made from skin cells – remarkable new techniques could revolutionise reproductive biology and help bring an end to infertility 11 April 2018 New Scientist magazine "For the first time, artificial embryos made without sperm or eggs have started to form live fetuses after being implanted in female mice. However, the embryos had some malformations and we are still a long way from being able to make human babies this way. The artificial mouse embryos were made from scratch using special stem cells called extended pluripotent stem cells. These have the ability to generate all three cell types found in early embryos. Jun Wu at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center and his colleagues coaxed the stem cells to turn into the three embryo cell types and self-assemble into embryo-like structures by soaking them in nutrients and growth stimulants. “They essentially did the job on their own – you could see the cells that would become the placental tissue moving to the outside while others that would form the fetus moved to the inside,” he says. The team then transferred the artificial embryos to the uteruses of female mice, where 7 per cent successfully implanted. A week later, the implanted embryos were surgically removed by caesarean section. Microscopic examination showed they had started to form early fetal structures, albeit with major malformations. “The tissue structure and organisation were not as good as in normal embryos,” says Wu. How embryos grow: This experiment is the first time artificial embryos have started to develop into fetal tissue in a uterus. Other groups have made artificial mouse embryos from stem cells but they haven’t successfully implanted or have only been able to form placental cells but not the other cell types once implanted. The challenge now will be to fine-tune the artificial mouse embryos so they can develop into perfectly formed fetuses, says Wu. This may involve growing them in a mix of nutrients and growth stimulants that more closely matches the environment that embryos are normally exposed to inside the body, he says. However, the reason for doing this isn’t to generate offspring, says Wu. Testing the ability of artificial embryos to grow in the womb allows us to see how realistic they are, he says. Once they are considered realistic enough, researchers will be able to use them as substitutes for real embryos that are normally harvested from mice. “Our goal is to have a scalable system for producing hundreds or even thousands of these embryo-like structures,” says Wu. The embryo models could be studied in dishes to better understand early mammalian development, optimise IVF conditions and screen drugs for their potential to cause birth defects, says Wu. Babies from ears? - Nevertheless, the findings do hint that it may be possible to generate offspring from artificial embryos, says Wu. Some of the extended pluripotent stem cells his team used to make the artificial embryos were originally made by reprogramming ear cells from adult mice. Hypothetically speaking, if we could do the same with human ear, skin or other non-reproductive cells, we could generate viable human embryo-like structures without sperm or eggs. “But this remains science fiction,” says Wu. There are no good scientific or medical reasons to make human babies from artificial embryos made without sperm or eggs, says Nicolas Rivron at the Institute of Molecular Biotechnology in Vienna, Austria" - Early mouse fetuses generated without sperm or eggs for first time Health 17 October 2019 New Scientist magazine 1 Like |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by kkins25(m): 3:30pm On Apr 11, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Sonmvayina is somewhat right you know. We know that in some organisms like comodo dragon a process called parthenogenesis where by females get pregnant without the influence of spermcells takes place naturally. You are also correct and of course the articles you posted prove your point. However, there is one loophole in the virgin birth of jesus that makes sonmvayina win this battle... Should i Continue...? 1 Like |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by MuttleyLaff: 3:34pm On Apr 11, 2020 |
kkins25:Sonmvayina, isnt saying anything new or something I dont already know Please do continue, as after you, I would place my long stick alongside yours and then both of us together can examine both sticks to see which is crooked or not, as in which isnt straight, lol PS: There isnt a loophole in the virgin birth anywhere ojaare, stop deceiving yourselves, lol. Oinnn. Have you read anything like whats in that New Scientist magazine before?. OK, given you maybe havent, please explain kkins25, how before the virgin birth, an impotent old man and his long overgone menopause elderly wife were able to have and give birth to a bonny bouncing baby boy son, hmm? |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by CaveAdullam: 4:37pm On Apr 11, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:Please link to the article above. |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by MuttleyLaff: 4:48pm On Apr 11, 2020 |
CaveAdullam:If you are in town I can loan you my hardcopy version, if not then make do with the below link. I have plugged in the search strings for you, to save you groping about, lol https://www.newscientist.com/search/?q=no+eggs+no+sperm+no+womb |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by CaveAdullam: 4:52pm On Apr 11, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:Thanks. 1 Like |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by Nobody: 5:10pm On Apr 11, 2020 |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by kkins25(m): 6:06pm On Apr 11, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: well of course, i appropriately crowned you metatron. Lol. Please do continue, as after you, I would place my long stick alongside yours and then both of us together can examine both sticks to see which is crooked or not, as in which isnt straight, lol ![]() PS: There isnt a loophole in the virgin birth anywhere ojaare, stop deceiving yourselves, lol. Oinnni thought we were going to analyse together. If you already have an opinion then why bother me, huh? : ![]() Have you read anything like whats in that New Scientist magazine before?. OK, given you maybe havent, please explain kkins25, how before the virgin birth.. first, let us dance with the tune of the virgin birth, shall we? Jesus was conceived (allegedly) in the womb of a virgin girl. Bio-ninja mode activated. ![]() ![]() You already know that women are XX while males are XY. For the sake of those not in the "know", please allow me to discuss just a tiny-little-winsy bit. Mary being a woman would posses the chromosome XX which determines are feminine nature. But the 'XX' may be misleading. So let me call it X1X Because X1, the first 'X' is the framework of the human body. Mary being a female(XX) posses and can only produce the second 'X' for reproductive purposes. If jesus christ had being a female then i would not be brawling with metatron but this is not the case. Jesus christ was indeed a man and possessed visible musculine features(as we are made to believe). Thus, we can conclude that jesus was a MAN. Boy, guy or man, he would have carried the X1Y chromosomes. This is where the loop hole in the virgin birth is buried. THE RULES OF NATURE CANNOT BE BROKEN! Where did the Y chromosome come from? Wether it was a mriacle or not as long as jesus was a man we must ask where he got his Y chromosome from. Bearing this in mind, we now conclude that mary was some how innoculated with DNA- a foreign DNA. Now with regards to the matter of "NO EGG, NO SPERM, NO WOMB" Can we continue our discussion? Ok, thanks. The cells used are not just any cells my friend. They are progenitor or as popularly known as stem cells. Mind you, those your articules are not talking about reproduction but rather CLONING(i could explain if you want me to). Jesus was not a clone of marry. Its on this premise that we dismiss the legendary tale of virgin birth. .. an impotent old man and his long overgone menopause elderly wife were able to have and give birth to a bonny bouncing baby boy son, hmm?As for this, i do not know for certain the miracle happened in the circumstances decribe in the bible. You believe your own stories even without evidence yet you would dispute that prophet mohammed(pbuh) didn't slice the moon in two? Huh? Nonetheless, even in todays era of no miracles: we have aged people getting pregnant. I haven't really looked into the matter. MuttleyLaff . Oga MuttleyLaff |
Re: There Are No Fake Pastors Anywhere! by MuttleyLaff: 6:10pm On Apr 11, 2020 |
kkins25:What is taking you that so long to continue fa? 1 Like |
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