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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by odizeey(m): 6:13pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
raumdeuter:Even if they do it you won't believe. Roman 1:18-23 talks about how people saw the hand of God but looked otherwise. The miracles of idahosa and other great men you no believe, na Corona you go believe? Nobody is forcing you to believe. You can believe what you want to. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by larride(m): 6:13pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
raumdeuter: Bros, let this one go. You obviously don’t understand the concept of what you are arguing against. No Pastor will tell you to go sell your house or anything to come pay tithe, you are just assuming things you don’t know. At least if you want to criticize something, make sure you understand how it works. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by odizeey(m): 6:17pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
All these proclaimed atheist. Na una I fear pass. Many of una dey do things wen mouth no fit speak, many of una dey spiritual. In the realm if the dark world, ignorance is bliss so these top "atheist" fool their followers to believe that this world is black and white. I laugh. You guys are the ones that need to be freed. ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 6:17pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
larride: A tithe that pastors feed on is money from what people already made. The tithe is an investment to make more That's why we hear about people giving 1m and got 1billion Shebi the pastor sef go like that 1billion, why can't he find that 1million and sow it as a seed to get the 1billion How is it different from MMM, give/sow 1m to get 1billion back? Why is the MMM founder not looking for the 1m himself and sowing it to get his own 1billion 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 6:19pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
odizeey: What are these miracles of Idahosa? Can he lay hands on Asaba soil and a bridge will grow to connect Onitsha? Can he sit in Benin and find himself in California? We need electricity roads and railway in Nigeria no pastor has been able to lay hands on the soil and roads and rail spring up but na one fiction of wetin science or nature don do finish they will be claiming glory for A scientist can tell you give me these items and within 6months I will build a car, road, a house etc that we can all see and touch 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 6:28pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
raumdeuter: Boko haram have been proscribed by the state and soldiers/police are empowered by law to arrest or kill their group members. The collection of tithes is not yet illegal, so don't juxtapose it with killing of twins or any criminal act. Until a law backs the killing of twins, it's illegal to kill them. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by odizeey(m): 6:30pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
raumdeuter:Even God, when he wanted Noah to build the ark, told Noah to get materials and do it. God did not suddenly bring one from heaven. Noah spent years building it. Baba this no be cartoon. The Bible does not preach against science. Science did not start today. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 6:32pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
airmark: No one is talking about legality here. Its challenging the belief that giving tithes and sowing seeds in churches lead to financial increase. Do you have evidence that can be tested rigorously that it does? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by larride(m): 6:33pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
raumdeuter: Like I said, you don’t understand the concept of tithing so I’m not going to continue arguing in circles with you. Cheers. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 6:36pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
odizeey: Was God performing a miracle in that instance? According to the bible there were miracles like falling the walls of Jericho, saying let there be light without having to connect cables to national grid etc |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 6:47pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
raumdeuter: You likened collecting tithes to killing of twins and explained why they were not the same. Evidence that can be tested rigorously? ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 6:48pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
raumdeuter: Lol... except you've never given before there's always a good feeling which comes with it. You can interpret the good feeling to mean several things or in several ways. Na blessing be that good feeling ogbeni ![]() ![]() Try being kept and fed with howfar you've come in life, expecting handouts from your partner / wife and sibling for a change. You will understand the difference between giving and receiving. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 6:52pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
airmark:This is simple logic fail again Both are compared because they are beliefs not by legality So if we are talking about celebrities and I compare Ronaldo to Beyonce, next thing you will ask is how many Grammy has Ronaldo won or how many balon dor can Beyonce dribble 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 6:53pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
diggz: Some people give to those they will never see and don't even have the assurance that it gets to them Some people give and dont get anything back in any way |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 6:54pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
raumdeuter: Audio miracles like Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland and co. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 6:56pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
larride: What is the concept of Tithing? Abraham gift to Melchizedech Or Tax to keep the Jewish State civil service funded? I am interested to know what your concept is. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 6:59pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
Raumdeuter, let me just drop these two stories here. They are the experiences of two people I know...One is my uncle, the other is a colleague where I worked. I actually did not believe them sha, but it did happen to them. So whether I believe or not doesn't matter. It did work ************************************************** I have this uncle of mine. He's the richest in my extended family. He imports in one of the markets in Lagos. In fact, he's a known name in that market. A multimillionaire to be specific. This man is religious and so believes in tithing. To the extent that his sales girls must calculate his tithes from every day's sales and pay it in the bank that day. If they make any sale after they've paid, they will add it to the next day. He has a particular bank account for his tithes. Now me, I'm not a consistent tither. I pay when I want and if I want. But when I discuss with my uncle. He tells me "If you know where and what tithing has done and taken me to, you won't ask me to stop" So what should I do? Argue with him that it's a lie? It's his experience. It's his testimony. I don't believe in it doesn't change the fact that he saw something in it. Second story In my previous place of work, one of the secretaries was my friend. We talked and all that. So one day, we were discussing about spirituality, and I said I don't believe in Witchcraft ( truly o don't). S She laughed and told me I know nothing. She told me her story. She has only one child: a girl. She was barren for 17 years....17 good years. There was no form of healthcare they didn't try, but they could find nothing. They even tried surrogacy but it failed. Until one day, a relative called for her and started confessing of how she is the cause of her not giving birth. And pleaded for forgiveness. The next year, she gave birth. She had her only child at the age of 43. Showed me pics and everything So do I argue with her? Or ....... I didn't believe in Witchcraft, but here was someone it happened to. Like I said, because you don't believe in something doesn't make it false. Let everybody do what they feel works for them This life sometimes cannot be explained 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 7:00pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
raumdeuter: You are always forgetful. Below was your question, after likening killing of twins to collecting tithes. raumdeuter: Where are they killing twins now, to start with? You would just bring unreasonable things. No pastor should do what is against the law of the land. Tithing is a religious belief that is not criminal, by law. So it shouldn't be faulted and called a fraud. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 7:02pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
Ibime: Characteristics of audio I cannot explain it It cannot be reproduced using the same ingredients It cannot be questioned Just take it like that 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by odizeey(m): 7:03pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
raumdeuter:Have you not heard when saints pray that rain be stopped for a program? Idahosa prayed and a broken skull was joined back. E A Adeboye prayed in a service and I saw a lame boy child starting to walk. You choose not to acknowledge the ones you see expecting someone to bring miracle show to you. If you want entertainment, go to the circus. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Skimpledawg(m): 7:07pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
izzou:Succintly put. ![]() It cannot my brother. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 7:18pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
https://www.nairaland.com/5789553/chad-gives-nigeria-april-22 Larride, what do you think about this? I think Deby is now full of himself. Which one be deadline to withdraw troops and HE WONT PARTICIPATE IN OPERATIONS OUTSIDE HIS NATIONAL BORDER? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 7:19pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 7:22pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
izzou: Thanks for sharing this. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 7:24pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
airmark: Killing of twins and tithing are beliefs |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 7:27pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
raumdeuter: All na Audio. Some of these top pastors that people are worshipping, I knew them personally. Some have stayed in my house. My popsie was very well connected within Christian circles and helped to organise crusades, found churches etc, but never took on ministry himself, saying that God only called him as a teacher, not to lead a flock, even despite some groups asking him to come and lead them, even as far as USA. My father taught me that the principle of Tithing is not a new Covenant principle and most of these guys emphasise it to get wealth. In the late 80s and early 90s, when many of these guys were coronating themselves as Bishop or Archbishop, many whom we knew personally, my popsie taught me that a man cannot ordain himself Bishop, and given there is no central structure to Pentecostal fellowship, who is ordaining them? Now we have Prophet this, Bishop that, Archbishop that and people are worshipping them like some Supernaturally ordained people, not knowing they gave themselves those titles without recourse to any higher authority. That's how my popsie refused to attend one of his good friend Bishop naming ceremony, and another one, an Archbishop in PH now, who we grew up with, that one was seen ballot stuffing in 1992 Gubernatorial elections. Make una leave talk. Pentecostal ministry is a game. Those who know them initmately know how far. Adeboye can form Elijah to the public but he cannot lie to his son Lekan who knows him, knows the game, and decided to join the game to also profit from it. If you choose to worship a man and give him your hard earned money, na your problem be that. My own is that they should come and show their power in Isolation centre by laying hands on our Covid patients. 14 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 7:29pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
odizeey: We have many challenges in Nigeria how about they pick some of these Miracle road, hospital school airport electricity etc There is a psychiatry in Yaba, maybe cripple in Agege but audio doesn't do what can be verified 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 7:31pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
raumdeuter: My father told me years ago when you give, give with all your heart. You are likely never to receive back from the person you've given or helped, but you will always receive it. E never fail me until today guy. I don tell ibime say all man na per head, so do wetin you think works best for you ![]() ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 7:32pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
Religions, whether it's imported ones like Islam and Christianity, or local ones, are all a scam, and they've always been. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by odizeey(m): 7:33pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
raumdeuter:Let's forget. I can't keep arguing. I know who is my spiritual father and I follow him as he follows Christ. If he deviates from Christ, I'll keep following Christ. No need for back and forth. Believe what you want. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by larride(m): 7:35pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
Ibime: The concept of Tax is you give 10% of your total profit (it can be daily,weekly, monthly or however you decide to pay it) to the church. The tithe is then used to take care of the full time pastors who have no other work than pastorate work. Sure, there are some pastor that has abused this concept and they are practicing whatever it is they are practicing (Which can’t be Christianity really). Some misconceptions: 1. Tithe has nothing to do with your salvation. There are even some believers that don’t pay their tithe to the church they attend but some to other church’s and some to the orphanage. 2. Tithing is not a fast money scheme. Just like every giving, the general belief is that if you give out, somehow you will get it back. This is where most misconceptions about tithing comes from. I’m paying tithe not because my pastor forced me to pay but I pay because I want to be one of those who use my resource to help the church. If I stop paying, no one will hold my trouser. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by larride(m): 7:40pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
izzou: When I was telling airmark that Chad is just playing to the gallery, he thinks I’m joking. That’s the way Chad has always been behaving till BKH attached their base in Bohoma. Let them withdraw now, you will start hearing about BKH/ISWAP launching attacks and fleeing into Chad when the military are on the offensive. No be today. |
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