raumdeuter:


Let them go first now and show us the evidence

Ordinary scoreline we dey beg for na audio

Enter America without plane or ship from Naija mba

But na unverifiable things dem specialize in

raumdeuter:


Because its a scam.

The pastor is telling you to drop a percentage of your money to get blessings. Is he not interested in that blessing? Let him find money, sell his house his blood and invest in that tithes to get the blessing and not depending on other peoples money to be rich

larride:


Bros, let this one go. You obviously don’t understand the concept of what you are arguing against.

No Pastor will tell you to go sell your house or anything to come pay tithe, you are just assuming things you don’t know. At least if you want to criticize something, make sure you understand how it works.

odizeey:

Even if they do it you won't believe.
Roman 1:18-23 talks about how people saw the hand of God but looked otherwise. The miracles of idahosa and other great men you no believe, na Corona you go believe?

Nobody is forcing you to believe. You can believe what you want to.

raumdeuter:


If a society believes some people are harmful to the collective wellbeing of the general population they can be justifiably killed

That is why BokoHaram or a potential suicide bomber can be shot dead without it being a crime

raumdeuter:


What are these miracles of Idahosa? Can he lay hands on Asaba soil and a bridge will grow to connect Onitsha?
Can he sit in Benin and find himself in California?

We need roads and railway in Nigeria no pastor has been able to lay hands on the soil and roads and rail spring up but na one fiction of wetin science or nature don do finish they will be claiming glory for

A scientist can tell you give me these items and within 6months I will build a car, road, a house etc that we can all see and touch

airmark:


Boko haram have been proscribed by the state and soldiers/police are empowered by law to arrest or kill their group members.

The collection of tithes is not yet illegal, so don't juxtapose it with killing of twins or any criminal act. Until a law backs the killing of twins, it's illegal to kill them.

raumdeuter:


A tithe that pastors feed on is money from what people already made. The tithe is an investment to make more

That's why we hear about people giving 1m and got 1billion

Shebi the pastor sef go like that 1billion, why can't he find that 1million and sow it as a seed to get the 1billion

How is it different from MMM, give/sow 1m to get 1billion back? Why is the MMM founder not looking for the 1m himself and sowing it to get his own 1billion

odizeey:

Even God, when he wanted Noah to build the ark, told Noah to get materials and do it. God did not suddenly bring one from heaven. Noah spent years building it.
Baba this no be cartoon. The Bible does not preach against science. Science did not start today.

raumdeuter:


No one is talking about legality here. Its challenging the belief that giving tithes and sowing seeds in churches lead to financial increase.

Do you have evidence that can be tested rigorously that it does?

raumdeuter:


Which is why I said if you give to help the poor, I don't see a problem with that cause Bill Gates sef an atheist gives most of his money to fight diseases in Africa.

Do you think he is doing it to get some blessings? He is simply compassionate on suffering people

airmark:


You likened collecting tithes to killing of twins and explained why they were not the same.

Evidence that can be tested rigorously? Go and ask those paying tithes why they haven't stopped.

diggz:


Lol... except you've never given before there's always a good feeling which comes with it. You can interpret the good feeling to mean several things or in several ways. Na blessing be that good feeling ogbeni

Try being kept and fed with howfar you've come in life, expecting handouts from your partner / wife and sibling for a change. You will understand the difference between giving and receiving.

raumdeuter:


What are these miracles of Idahosa? Can he lay hands on Asaba soil and a bridge will grow to connect Onitsha?
Can he sit in Benin and find himself in California?

larride:


Like I said, you don’t understand the concept of tithing so I’m not going to continue arguing in circles with you.

raumdeuter:

This is simple logic fail again
Both are compared because they are beliefs not by legality

So if we are talking about celebrities and I compare Ronaldo to Beyonce, next thing you will ask is how many Grammy has Ronaldo won or how many balon dor can Beyonce dribble

raumdeuter:


There are those who believe twins should be killed because they bring ill luck. Should that not be faulted also?

Anyone can believe anything but some can be faulted

Just like those who believed 5G caused Corona were faulted

Ibime:


Audio miracles like Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland and co.

raumdeuter:


Was God performing a miracle in that instance?
According to the bible there were miracles like falling the walls of Jericho, saying let there be light without having to connect cables to national grid etc

izzou:
Raumdeuter, let me just drop these two stories here. They are the experiences of two people I know...One is my uncle, the other is a colleague where I worked. I actually did not believe them sha, but it did happen to them. So whether I believe or not doesn't matter. It did work
**************************************************
I have this uncle of mine. He's the richest in my extended family. He imports in one of the markets in Lagos. In fact, he's a known name in that market. A multimillionaire to be specific.

This man is religious and so believes in tithing. To the extent that his sales girls must calculate his tithes from every day's sales and pay it in the bank that day. If they make any sale after they've paid, they will add it to the next day. He has a particular bank account for his tithes.

Now me, I'm not a consistent tither. I pay when I want and if I want. But when I discuss with my uncle. He tells me

"If you know where and what tithing has done and taken me to, you won't ask me to stop"

So what should I do? Argue with him that it's a lie? It's his experience. It's his testimony. I don't believe in it doesn't change the fact that he saw something in it.

Second story

In my previous place of work, one of the secretaries was my friend. We talked and all that. So one day, we were discussing about spirituality, and I said I don't believe in Witchcraft ( truly o don't). S

She laughed and told me I know nothing. She told me her story. She has only one child: a girl. She was barren for 17 years....17 good years. There was no form of healthcare they didn't try, but they could find nothing. They even tried surrogacy but it failed.

Until one day, a relative called for her and started confessing of how she is the cause of her not giving birth. And pleaded for forgiveness. The next year, she gave birth. She had her only child at the age of 43. Showed me pics and everything

So do I argue with her? Or .......

I didn't believe in Witchcraft, but here was someone it happened to.

Like I said, because you don't believe in something doesn't make it false. Let everybody do what they feel works for them

This life sometimes cannot be explained

Skimpledawg:

Succintly put.


It cannot my brother.

izzou:
Raumdeuter, let me just drop these two stories here. They are the experiences of two people I know...One is my uncle, the other is a colleague where I worked. I actually did not believe them sha, but it did happen to them. So whether I believe or not doesn't matter. It did work
**************************************************
I have this uncle of mine. He's the richest in my extended family. He imports in one of the markets in Lagos. In fact, he's a known name in that market. A multimillionaire to be specific.

This man is religious and so believes in tithing. To the extent that his sales girls must calculate his tithes from every day's sales and pay it in the bank that day. If they make any sale after they've paid, they will add it to the next day. He has a particular bank account for his tithes.

Now me, I'm not a consistent tither. I pay when I want and if I want. But when I discuss with my uncle. He tells me

"If you know where and what tithing has done and taken me to, you won't ask me to stop"

So what should I do? Argue with him that it's a lie? It's his experience. It's his testimony. I don't believe in it doesn't change the fact that he saw something in it.

Second story

In my previous place of work, one of the secretaries was my friend. We talked and all that. So one day, we were discussing about spirituality, and I said I don't believe in Witchcraft ( truly o don't). S

She laughed and told me I know nothing. She told me her story. She has only one child: a girl. She was barren for 17 years....17 good years. There was no form of healthcare they didn't try, but they could find nothing. They even tried surrogacy but it failed.

Until one day, a relative called for her and started confessing of how she is the cause of her not giving birth. And pleaded for forgiveness. The next year, she gave birth. She had her only child at the age of 43. Showed me pics and everything

So do I argue with her? Or .......

I didn't believe in Witchcraft, but here was someone it happened to.

Like I said, because you don't believe in something doesn't make it false. Let everybody do what they feel works for them

This life sometimes cannot be explained

airmark:


You are always forgetful.

Below was your question, after likening killing of twins to collecting tithes.



Where are they killing twins now, to start with? You would just bring unreasonable things. No pastor should do what is against the law of the land. Tithing is a religious belief that is not criminal, by law. So it shouldn't be faulted and called a fraud.

raumdeuter:


Characteristics of audio

I cannot explain it
It cannot be reproduced using the same ingredients
It cannot be questioned
Just take it like that

odizeey:

Have you not heard when saints pray that rain be stopped for a program?

Idahosa prayed and a broken skull was joined back.

E A Adeboye prayed in a service and I saw a lame boy child starting to walk.

You choose not to acknowledge the ones you see expecting someone to bring miracle show to you.

If you want entertainment, go to the circus.

raumdeuter:


Some people give to those they will never see and don't even have the assurance that it gets to them

Some people give and dont get anything back in any way

raumdeuter:


We have many challenges in Nigeria how about they pick some of these

Miracle road, hospital school airport electricity etc

There is a psychiatry in Yaba, maybe cripple in Agege but audio doesn't do what can be verified

Ibime:


What is the concept of Tithing?

Abraham gift to Melchizedech

Or

Tax to keep the Jewish State civil service funded?

I am interested to know what your concept is.

izzou:
https://www.nairaland.com/5789553/chad-gives-nigeria-april-22

Larride, what do you think about this?

I think Deby is now full of himself. Which one be deadline to withdraw troops and HE WONT PARTICIPATE IN OPERATIONS OUTSIDE HIS NATIONAL BORDER?