kabe1:


Mr Komekn, please endeavour to conduct proper research before posting off comments.

It's something you hardly do.

According to your wild claims, 50 million dollars would be enough to purchase 50 armed UAVs.

I mean, so why is Tunisia paying $240 million for 6 units of Anka-S drones from Turkey.

I am using Turkey-Tunisia UCAV deal as it is the most recent foreign military sale of UAVs today.


Anka-S is the serial production variant of Anka, shown here, which is a medium-altitude, long-endurance UAV. (Turkish Aerospace Industries)
ANKARA, Turkey — Tunisia has awarded a contract to Turkish Aerospace Industries for the supply of six Anka-S drones, three ground control stations and an unspecified level of technology transfer.

Turkish procurement officials said TAI had been awaiting a deal with the government there for more than a year to sell its Anka-S drone. Industry sources said the contract is worth $240 million.

https://www.defensenews.com/unmanned/2020/03/16/turkeys-tai-sells-six-anka-s-drones-to-tunisia/

https://www.armyrecognition.com/march_2020_news_defense_global_security_army_industry/tunisia_to_purchase_turkish-made_anka-s_unmanned_aerial_vehicles.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ahvalnews.com/turkey-drones/tunisia-purchase-six-anka-s-drones-turkeys-tai%3famp



In essence Nigeria purchased 12 Super Tucano for 329 million dollars, 496 million dollars when you add infrastructure, training of 100 personnel, ammunition and ISR capabilities.

https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contracts/Contract/Article/1700404/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.channelstv.com/2018/04/26/496m-aircraft-purchase-senators-call-for-buharis-impeachment/amp/


Tunisia purchased 6 units of Anka-s from Turkey for 240 million dollars including GCS, training and ammunition.



Yet this clown wants us to believe that 50 million dollars would get Nigeria 50 armed drones.


Some of the guys who comment here dream up fantasies and pass it off as facts. Really amusing.

mekussa:


The fact that Turkey sold her drones for 40 million dollars doesn't mean all drones have to be 40 million dollars. The WING LOONG II he mentioned were purchased by Saudi Arabia and the UAE for less than 5 million USD a unit.They are low altitude drones that are easily shout down but, giving how cheap they are and their good(not excelect) strike capabilities, countries that the US refused to sell the reaper to, love them. The Chinese have been flooding the market with low cost drones which middle east countries are buying.
I don't pray Nigeria goes for the WING LOONG II drone because its performance rating is poor but is it dirt cheap compared to others? Yes.
Its also not nice to call everyone with a contrary opinion names.

kabe1:


The WING LONG II is in the same class as the Anka-S.

All military vehicles in the same class have similar costs.

The Anka-S is the most recent drone foreign military sale, that's what you would use to gauge.

Until you know the total cost of the Saudi deals you cannot use to compare.

mekussa:


But you that ALSO doesnt know the cost of the Saudi deal is sure the figures quoted are wrong because someone else paid higher for another drone of the same class?

kabe1:


Mr Komekn, please endeavour to conduct proper research before posting off comments.

It's something you hardly do.

According to your wild claims, 50 million dollars would be enough to purchase 50 armed UAVs.

I mean, so why is Tunisia paying $240 million for 6 units of Anka-S drones from Turkey.

I am using Turkey-Tunisia UCAV deal as it is the most recent foreign military sale of UAVs today.


Anka-S is the serial production variant of Anka, shown here, which is a medium-altitude, long-endurance UAV. (Turkish Aerospace Industries)
ANKARA, Turkey — Tunisia has awarded a contract to Turkish Aerospace Industries for the supply of six Anka-S drones, three ground control stations and an unspecified level of technology transfer.

Turkish procurement officials said TAI had been awaiting a deal with the government there for more than a year to sell its Anka-S drone. Industry sources said the contract is worth $240 million.

https://www.defensenews.com/unmanned/2020/03/16/turkeys-tai-sells-six-anka-s-drones-to-tunisia/

https://www.armyrecognition.com/march_2020_news_defense_global_security_army_industry/tunisia_to_purchase_turkish-made_anka-s_unmanned_aerial_vehicles.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ahvalnews.com/turkey-drones/tunisia-purchase-six-anka-s-drones-turkeys-tai%3famp



In essence Nigeria purchased 12 Super Tucano for 329 million dollars, 496 million dollars when you add infrastructure, training of 100 personnel, ammunition and ISR capabilities.

https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contracts/Contract/Article/1700404/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.channelstv.com/2018/04/26/496m-aircraft-purchase-senators-call-for-buharis-impeachment/amp/


Tunisia purchased 6 units of Anka-s from Turkey for 240 million dollars including GCS, training and ammunition.



Yet this clown wants us to believe that 50 million dollars would get Nigeria 50 armed drones.


Some of the guys who comment here dream up fantasies and pass it off as facts. Really amusing.

kabe1:


The WING LONG II is in the same class as the Anka-S.

All military vehicles in the same class have similar costs.

The Anka-S is the most recent drone foreign military sale, that's what you would use to gauge.

Until you know the total cost of the Saudi deals you cannot use to compare.

komekn:


Consider the proposition you have presented in bold. I have to be brutally honest with you it's nonsensical without any substance whatsoever.

Every country sells it UAV hardware at different prices simply because they can.

But there are huge disparities in price and indeed difference in quality which is open to never ending debate.

Nonetheless, currently BOKO don't have high end technology in terms of anti aircraft mitigation then a Chinese UAV will be more than sufficient.

GabrielYulaw:
Did someone really say a Sukhoi 35 should cost $80 million because that's the price jets in its class sell for? Lol. Best joke I've heard today.

komekn:


[s]I want to presume that you went university at least. Having that thought in mind, you should transfer the basic methodology that underpins research.

Albeit this is not academic but even if you were presenting before a corporate board. You would approach matters with objectivity, substantive deduction and projection under pinned with rational.

First of all why all the insult and degradation. This is supposed to be a forum.

Why don't you do some basic open source investigation to prove me wrong.

You completely evade the topic, you do not address the issues directly, you dismiss substantive deduction but with nothing of substance. You are emotive and not objective

Your approach is to you use comparison by conjecture to make a conclusion. However, it has zero weighting in method or logic. The variables you use do not converge for inferences by comparison to be made.

Then you call me a clown with delusion based fantasy, that's derogatory.

I will use your own confused irrational unit of measurement to address your misguided response. [/s]

Turkey are doing a transfer of technology agreement with Tunisia as well as building 3 ground control stations. The 6 Drones are part of the package of the $240 million contract. How much does it cost to build one ground control station ❓ ow much does it cost per unit for each drone.❓❓

There are a number of variables you would have to consider in the Turkey to Tunisia UAV contract. For instance the existing communications infrastructure and if Indeed if they have any.

The next thing what value has Turkey put on, intellectual capital and how that relates to the contract sum. Before you can make any projections on unit cost of the actual UAV. However you do none of these things and yet you call me a clown.

I talked about unit price per Chinese UAV these costs are well documented on the global UAV market.

Ukraine bought 12 UAV'S from Turkey for a unit price of $4-5 million, the contract sum for the 12 UAV's was $69 million. I am using specialist global consultancies as my reference point. Although l do not have the full report that could cost upwards of $5000. I have the basic information which is suffice for our purposes here.

So using your unit of measurement in which it is implied by you that each UAV cost $40 million. That's about 10 time or more the actual cost of Turkish UAV. As you are quite obviously wrong.

What than does that make you ❓ Does that make something much more than a clown❓❓❓

So because Turkey sell thier UAV for $4 million and the USA sells thier for $30 million and China sells thier $1 million. It must be untrue and a fantasy.

It seems you are one of those people that take comfort in ignorance of the truth and rather support the lie to feed your emotive based prejudices and misguided sense of patriotism.

Expecting an apology from you would be too much, I guess.

GabrielYulaw:


You try.
Just lookit what a grown ass adult is saying- that all jets in the same class cost about the same. What comedy
Going by the same logic all policemen here take the same bribe. Which means those that collect 1K instead of 100 naira are crazy.

komekn:


And that same person is calling me a clown.

I am not offended but amused.

A Forum should be a place for exchange of ideas, thoughts and opinion. It's not a exactly a think tank but it should be beneficial to all.

Not a place for cheap jibes and unnecessary insults IMO

My two penny.

komekn:


Consider the proposition you have presented in bold. I have to be brutally honest with you it's nonsensical without any substance whatsoever.

Every country sells it UAV hardware at different prices simply because they can.

But there are huge disparities in price and indeed difference in quality which is open to never ending debate.

Nonetheless, currently BOKO don't have high end technology in terms of anti aircraft mitigation then a Chinese UAV will be more than sufficient.

Actually the Wing Loong II is classed with the USA MQ that costs $30 million but costs a fraction of that price at $1million.

kabe1:


You go out of your way to constantly and deliberately misinform unsuspecting individuals in this thread.

Again you have falsely claimed Ukraine paid 69 million dollars for 12 UCAVs from Turkey. In direct opposite to this information all credible sources show Ukraine paid turkey 69 million dollars for 6 units of

Earlier this year, Baykar Makina won a $69-million contract to sell six Bayraktar TB2 UAVs, advanced reconnaissance and intelligence drones, to Ukraine.

https://www.defensenews.com/unmanned/2019/01/14/turkish-firm-to-sell-drones-to-ukraine-in-69-million-deal/


https://www.google.com/amp/s/ahvalnews.com/turkey-russia/expanded-turkey-ukraine-defence-cooperation-focuses-drones%3famp


You constantly go out of your way to make spurious claims on this thread, and for what agenda if I may ask?



You false made a claim that 50 million dollars would give the Nigerian Air Force 50 UCAVs from China, this is a lie!!!

In the event that Nigeria purchases 50 units of Wing loong UCAVs for above 50 million dollars you would be the first to run to town with claims of corruption.

As can be seen from various sources I have posted it's is not possible.

Referring to you as a clown is not an insult, it is a representation of the laughable posts you are soon keen on making in this thread.

As you continue to make spurious claims in your false hope that no one researches to verify them, be rest assured I will verify each of your claims.

kabe1:


You go out of your way to constantly and deliberately misinform unsuspecting individuals in this thread.

Again you have falsely claimed Ukraine paid 69 million dollars for 12 UCAVs from Turkey. In direct opposite to this information all credible sources show Ukraine paid turkey 69 million dollars f

Earlier this year, Baykar Makina won a $69-million contract to sell six Bayraktar TB2 UAVs, advanced reconnaissance and intelligence drones, to Ukraine.

https://www.defensenews.com/unmanned/2019/01/14/turkish-firm-to-sell-drones-to-ukraine-in-69-million-deal/


https://www.google.com/amp/s/ahvalnews.com/turkey-russia/expanded-turkey-ukraine-defence-cooperation-focuses-drones%3famp


You constantly go out of your way to make spurious claims on this thread, and for what agenda if I may ask?



You false made a claim that 50 million dollars would give the Nigerian Air Force 50 UCAVs from China, this is a lie!!!

In the event that Nigeria purchases 50 units of Wing loong UCAVs for above 50 million dollars you would be the first to run to town with claims of corruption.

As can be seen from various sources I have posted it's is not possible.

Referring to you as a clown is not an insult, it is a representation of the laughable posts you are soon keen on making in this thread.

As you continue to make spurious claims in your false hope that no one researches to verify them, be rest assured I will verify each of your claims.

komekn:


Double post sorry

komekn:


Double post sorry

komekn:


You are now giving a full circus performance in the theatre you are going to get a standing ovation.

You should look before you leap

kabe1:


You are confusing the Turkey armed forces deal and the Ukraine government deal.

Kindly continue exposing yourself.

komekn:


You are now giving a full circus performance in the theatre you are going to get a standing ovation.

You should look before you leap

rka2:
I'll just leave this one here. You get what you pay yor.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-no-one-wants-buy-chinas-ch-4-killer-drone-anymore-92546

GabrielYulaw:


Indeed you do. The article says Jordan and Iraq are having difficulties maintaining their Chinese drones. It doesn't say the drones are maintenance intensive, nor does it say they are crap.

Jordan is selling it's drones mainly because it wants to buy American ones for their better sensors. As for Iraq, I guess they didn't sign a maintenance contact or something with the Chinese. But like I said, the article never stayed Chinese drones are crap or require an unusual amount of maintenance. The article also said the American Sca eagle drone is problematic.

Worth remembering is that China has sold a lot of these drones to a lot of countries. Why is only Jordan and Iraq complaining? And complaining not about sensor or weapons effectiveness, but about maintenance.

I would take a $1-2 million Chinese drone over a Reaper drone costing many times that. For the cost, they are unbeatable.

rka2:


https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a27926078/predator-drone-chinese/

GabrielYulaw:


No specifics were mentioned. They are not happy about the drones, but we don't know why. Could you go to Jordan and ask them. We will contribute money for visa

In any case, the drone we are talking about came out in 2016. This is 2020 and since then China has gained a lot of experience and expertise building drones. Newer versions of that drone are available.

By the way, since you are committed to showing that Chinese drones are faulty, why not provide links to the unreliability of the American Scan Eagle drone. Yes, the one mentioned in the first article.

rka2:


You mean like the way you guys went all out to say the Tucano was a bad idea, or looking for all the negatives in the fight against terrorism in the NE or only seeing the good with Chad? Should I go on?

The Jordanians are just being diplomatic. The CH-4 won't last before it starts being maintenance intensive etc.

As I first stated, you get what you pay for. Chinese drones are not yet mature. Better to wait for improvements or continue to develop your own.