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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by mekussa(m): 7:14am On Apr 18, 2020 |
kabe1: The fact that Turkey sold her drones for 40 million dollars doesn't mean all drones have to be 40 million dollars. The WING LOONG II he mentioned were purchased by Saudi Arabia and the UAE for less than 5 million USD a unit.They are low altitude drones that are easily shot down but, giving how cheap they are and their good(not excellent) strike capabilities, countries that the US refused to sell the reaper to, love them. The Chinese have been flooding the market with low cost drones which middle east countries are buying. I don't pray Nigeria goes for the WING LOONG II drone because its performance rating is poor but is it dirt cheap compared to others? Yes. Its also not nice to call everyone with a contrary opinion names. 12 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by kabe1: 8:25am On Apr 18, 2020 |
mekussa: The WING LONG II is in the same class as the Anka-S. All military vehicles in the same class have similar costs. The Anka-S is the most recent drone foreign military sale, that's what you would use to gauge. Until you know the total cost of the Saudi deals you cannot use to compare. 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by mekussa(m): 11:47am On Apr 18, 2020 |
kabe1: But you that ALSO doesnt know the cost of the Saudi deal is sure the figures quoted are wrong because someone else paid higher for another drone of the same class? 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by kabe1: 12:03pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
mekussa: Like I said, you use the cost of the most recent foreign military UCAV sale of same class to make your comparison. There is nothing like the same. If an F-15QA the latest variant costs 90 million dollars, it means that the SU-35 would cost between 80 and 85 million dollars. If a JF-17 costs 40 million, the Tejas should cost around 35 and 45 million dollars. They are all in the same class and would have similar costs. The most recent MALE purchase cost 240 million dollars for 6 units, as such it is completely disingenuous to claim Nigeria can get 50 units of UCAV for 50 million dollars. It's a subtle jab at the Nigerian Air Force, plain and simple calling the Air Force incompetent, and making spurious poorly researched claims. |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 12:51pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
kabe1: I want to presume that you went university at least. Having that thought in mind, you should transfer the basic methodology that underpins research. Albeit this is not academic but even if you were presenting before a corporate board. You would approach matters with objectivity, substantive deduction and projection under pinned with rational. First of all why all the insult and degradation. This is supposed to be a forum. Why don't you do some basic open source investigation to prove me wrong. You completely evade the topic, you do not address the issues directly, you dismiss substantive deduction but with nothing of substance. You are emotive and not objective Your approach is to you use comparison by conjecture to make a conclusion. However, it has zero weighting in method or logic. The variables you use do not converge for inferences by comparison to be made. Then you call me a clown with delusion based fantasy, that's derogatory. I will use your own confused irrational unit of measurement to address your misguided response. Turkey are doing a transfer of technology agreement with Tunisia as well as building 3 ground control stations. The 6 Drones are part of the package of the $240 million contract. How much does it cost to build one ground control station ![]() There are a number of variables you would have to consider in the Turkey to Tunisia UAV contract. For instance the existing communications infrastructure and if Indeed if they have any. The next thing what value has Turkey put on, intellectual capital and how that relates to the contract sum. Before you can make any projections on unit cost of the actual UAV. However you do none of these things and yet you call me a clown. I talked about unit price per Chinese UAV these costs are well documented on the global UAV market. Ukraine bought 12 UAV'S from Turkey for a unit price of $4-5 million, the contract sum for the 12 UAV's was $69 million. I am using specialist global consultancies as my reference point. Although l do not have the full report that could cost upwards of $5000. I have the basic information which is suffice for our purposes here. So using your unit of measurement in which it is implied by you that each UAV cost $40 million. That's about 10 time or more the actual cost of Turkish UAV. As you are quite obviously wrong. What than does that make you ![]() So because Turkey sell thier UAV for $4 million and the USA sells thier for $30 million and China sells thier $1 million. It must be untrue and a fantasy. It seems you are one of those people that take comfort in ignorance of the truth and rather support the lie to feed your emotive based prejudices and misguided sense of patriotism. Expecting an apology from you would be too much, I guess. 8 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by SamuelAnyawu(m): 1:01pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
Any update on the recent military operations led by COAS here in the North East? ![]() |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 1:06pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
kabe1: Consider the proposition you have presented in bold. I have to be brutally honest with you it's nonsensical without any substance whatsoever. Every country sells it UAV hardware at different prices simply because they can. But there are huge disparities in price and indeed difference in quality which is open to never ending debate. Nonetheless, currently BOKO don't have high end technology in terms of anti aircraft mitigation then a Chinese UAV will be more than sufficient. Actually the Wing Loong II is classed with the USA MQ that costs $30 million but costs a fraction of that price at $1million. 5 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by GabrielYulaw(m): 1:06pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
Did someone really say a Sukhoi 35 should cost $80 million because that's the price jets in its class sell for? Lol. Best joke I've heard today. ![]() 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by GabrielYulaw(m): 1:08pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
komekn: You try. Just lookit what a grown ass adult is saying- that all jets in the same class cost about the same. What comedy ![]() Going by the same logic all policemen here take the same bribe. Which means those that collect 1K instead of 100 naira are crazy. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 1:12pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
GabrielYulaw: And that same person is calling me a clown. I am not offended but amused. A Forum should be a place for exchange of ideas, thoughts and opinion. It's not a exactly a think tank but it should be beneficial to all. Not a place for cheap jibes and unnecessary insults IMO My two penny. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by kabe1: 1:13pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
komekn: You go out of your way to constantly and deliberately misinform unsuspecting individuals in this thread. Again you have falsely claimed Ukraine paid 69 million dollars for 12 UCAVs from Turkey. In direct opposite to this information all credible sources show Ukraine paid turkey 69 million dollars for 6 units of Earlier this year, Baykar Makina won a $69-million contract to sell six Bayraktar TB2 UAVs, advanced reconnaissance and intelligence drones, to Ukraine. https://www.defensenews.com/unmanned/2019/01/14/turkish-firm-to-sell-drones-to-ukraine-in-69-million-deal/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/ahvalnews.com/turkey-russia/expanded-turkey-ukraine-defence-cooperation-focuses-drones%3famp You constantly go out of your way to make spurious claims on this thread, and for what agenda if I may ask? You false made a claim that 50 million dollars would give the Nigerian Air Force 50 UCAVs from China, this is a lie!!! In the event that Nigeria purchases 50 units of Wing loong UCAVs for above 50 million dollars you would be the first to run to town with claims of corruption. As can be seen from various sources I have posted it's is not possible. Referring to you as a clown is not an insult, it is a representation of the laughable posts you are soon keen on making in this thread. As you continue to make spurious claims in your false hope that no one researches to verify them, be rest assured I will verify each of your claims. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 1:18pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
GabrielYulaw: Just LAUGH that's all 4 Likes
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by GabrielYulaw(m): 1:19pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
komekn: When people resort to insults rather than conveying their thoughts and opinions in a calm and reasonable manner, that means they don't have anything tangible to say. Their wish is that you descend to their level and slug it out in the mud with them. Sometimes I oblige their wish. Other times, I just shake my head and go. Take the latter option whenever you can. Save your energy for more important battles. 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by kabe1: 1:25pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
komekn: Countries sell military equipment at competitive prices, it's basic common sense. They do not sell at different prices because they can. This is literally the worst comment I have read online. Why would an MRAP in Nigeria and South-Africa cost about the same? If a customer pays for an MRAP in South-Africa for 50 naira, why would he pay for that same vehicle in the same class for 1000 naira? This is why your post makes no sense. I don't disagree with you on the use of UAVs, intact this is the only good idea I have read from you since you began commenting on this thread. I however disagree on your spurious claims, mainly poorly researched with regards to costs. |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 1:26pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
kabe1: Double post sorry |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 1:27pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
kabe1: You are now giving a full circus performance in the theatre you are going to get a standing ovation. You should look before you leap 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by kabe1: 1:29pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by kabe1: 1:31pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
komekn: You are confusing the Turkey armed forces deal and the Ukraine government deal. Kindly continue exposing yourself. 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by kabe1: 1:32pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
komekn: You see why I say you don't research at all? How can you be confusing a Turkey government deal with Ukraine armed forces? |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by kabe1: 1:34pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
komekn: Don't post estimates in this thread. I have shared confirmed deals, with confirmed numbers and you're posting estimates. Does that make any sense to you, posting estimates when I'm posting confirmed contracts? |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 1:34pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
kabe1:
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by kabe1: 1:35pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
komekn: Please stop deleting your posts in this thread. |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by rka2: 1:39pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
I'll just leave this one here. You get what you pay yor. https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-no-one-wants-buy-chinas-ch-4-killer-drone-anymore-92546 |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by GabrielYulaw(m): 1:51pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
rka2: Indeed you do. The article says Jordan and Iraq are having difficulties maintaining their Chinese drones. It doesn't say the drones are maintenance intensive, nor does it say they are crap. Jordan is selling it's drones mainly because it wants to buy American ones for their better sensors. As for Iraq, I guess they didn't sign a maintenance contact or something with the Chinese. But like I said, the article never stayed Chinese drones are crap or require an unusual amount of maintenance. The article also said the American Sca eagle drone is problematic. Worth remembering is that China has sold a lot of these drones to a lot of countries. Why is only Jordan and Iraq complaining? And complaining not about sensor or weapons effectiveness, but about maintenance. I would take a $1-2 million Chinese drone over a Reaper drone costing many times that. For the cost, they are unbeatable. 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by rka2: 2:23pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
GabrielYulaw: https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a27926078/predator-drone-chinese/ |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by GabrielYulaw(m): 2:30pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
rka2: No specifics were mentioned. They are not happy about the drones, but we don't know why. Could you go to Jordan and ask them. We will contribute money for visa ![]() In any case, the drone we are talking about came out in 2016. This is 2020 and since then China has gained a lot of experience and expertise building drones. Newer versions of that drone are available. By the way, since you are committed to showing that Chinese drones are faulty, why not provide links to the unreliability of the American Scan Eagle drone. Yes, the one mentioned in the first article. 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by lebuhsi(m): 2:50pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
By [b][/b]David Otto Be it military or civilian based approach or both, the level of success or failure in counter insurgency operations is highly dependent on timely intervention. From strategic planning to launching ground and aerial operations and implementing local Prevent Violent Extremism (PVE) programmes to Counter Violent Extremism (CVE) interventions, perfect timing is everything and everything is perfect timing. There is no better time than now for all impacted states of the Lake chad basin (Nigeria, Cameroon, Chad and Niger) to combine all available multi-agency resources and measures to crush (at least militarily) Boko Haram and the Islamic State of West Africa province (ISWAP). The armed groups are divided, weak and in a state of total chaos; never experienced since Boko Haram pledged allegiance to the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant (ISIL/ISIS) in 2015. Jama’atu Ahlis Sunnah Lidda’ awati Wal-Jihad, otherwise known as Boko Haram terrorists’ group and splinter factions linked to the ISWAP have been forced to focus their criminal and terrorist activities largely on the fringes of Lake Chad and the porous borders of Nigeria – Cameroon – Niger Republic and Chad. The Lake Chad border region host a complex terrain of deep forest, lakes, islands and caves, which provides natural cover for armed jihadist groups. It is equally rich in agriculture, pastoralism, fishing and arms smuggling routes required by Boko Haram ISWAP jihadist for sustenance and survival. The Lake Chad region is also a magnet for wealthy merchants. These merchants frequently travel along the lagone and Chari divisions of Cameroon, the Hadjer – Lamis regions of Chad and the lake Chad/Sahel in general. The trade route presents an ideal operating theatre for armed Boko Haram/ISWAP to mount water and road checking points and raise huge funds on a weekly basis. However, all these beneficial activities are in serious jeopardy due to internal splits, karma and recent offensives from regional states and the Multinational Joint Task Force (MNJTF)....... |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by rka2: 2:54pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
GabrielYulaw: You mean like the way you guys went all out to say the Tucano was a bad idea, or looking for all the negatives in the fight against terrorism in the NE or only seeing the good with Chad? Should I go on? The Jordanians are just being diplomatic. The CH-4 won't last before it starts being maintenance intensive etc. As I first stated, you get what you pay for. Chinese drones are not yet mature. Better to wait for improvements or continue to develop your own. |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by GabrielYulaw(m): 3:29pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
rka2: Who is "you guys"? Is the Tucano a bad idea? In my humble opinion that is an unqualified yes. For one we are simply not buying enough. And two they won't be delivered any time soon. By the time they are delivered ISWAP might be sipping burukutu in a joint somewhere in Abuja. We need attack jets NOW NOW NOW, not the next hour or tomorrow. Third, they are not carrying enough armaments. Fourth not enough armor. Five, they are far too expensive for what we are paying for. How the hell can they be worth $16 million apiece. That's nonsense. The YAK-130 is slightly cheaper and it is superior in most parameters. Yes, I see a lot of negatives in the fight against terrorism here. Like lack of commitment, gross incompetency and corruption, and lack of ability to innovate in the face of an enemy that delights in innovating. So, I am supposed to see all these and stay silent? And why do I criticize? So that we can learn and do better. In case you didn't notice, neither you nor I don't have the ability to influence policy. So, we are all here to learn from each other and proffer solutions to varied military issues, but for our own amusement. The problem with people like you is that you all see any slight criticism of the armed forces as a personal attack. That is not the case and I am not going to waste time proving otherwise. I only see good with Chad? Lol. What you should be asking yourself is how a poor and arid country like Chad that the likes of E-money can buy a million times is so good at what they do- war. Their soldiers are bold and utterly fearless. Can you say the same for our forces? If they were really professional, our generals would have long gone to Chad and learned a lot from them. Or gone to other countries that fought insurgencies like ours and learned what works and what doesn't. Read about the Chadian-Libyan war when you have the time. As for the Wing Loong being maintenance-intensive, no country has come out to say that with its chest. So, we can discount that as rumors. Let them hold a press conference and we will see. Jordan mainly makes use of Western weaponry. Its buying the Wing Loong was an act of desperation because Washington wouldn't sell it Reapers and Predators. Now that the Orange One is president, Jordan sees an opportunity to get what was denied it by Obama. And that I think is what all this drama is about. We bought some Chinese drones a while ago. Where are they now? Are they grounded because of lack of maintenance or did the money budgeted for the maintenance get eaten by a toad, monkey or snake that wrote WAEC? 5 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Whyem15: 3:34pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
Weapons procurement is not entirely based on current threats. Future possible threats, deterence, and countering enemies capabilities are also considered. Buying 50 wing loong drones for $50million sounds like a good idea and would really help in the fight against bokoharam but considering the fact that the airforce doesn't have much aircrafts. Are we going to deploy 50 of those drones if we get invaded by any of our neighbours? How effective would that be? How useful will they be in future conflicts that we might be facing? Does it go in line with our strategic plans? Personally, I would prefer we have much multi role aircrafts first before we start getting dedicated ones. 1 Like 1 Share |
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