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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by GabrielYulaw(m): 3:43pm On Apr 18, 2020
Whyem15:
Weapons procurement is not entirely based on current threats. Future possible threats, deterence, and countering enemies capabilities are also considered.
Buying 50 wing loong drones for $50million sounds like a good idea and would really help in the fight against bokoharam but considering the fact that the airforce doesn't have much aircrafts.
Are we going to deploy 50 of those drones if we get invaded by any of our neighbours? How effective would that be? How useful will they be in future conflicts that we might be facing? Does it go in line with our strategic plans?
Personally, I would prefer we have much multi role aircrafts first before we start getting dedicated ones.

You are right and wrong. The drone you are talking about is multi role too. It can carry either armaments or surveillance equipment. So, when the Boko issue is gone, we can use the drones to keep an eye on our borders, or loan it to the police to track bandits. And in case of invasion, these drones can do a good job of either bombing the invading army to bits or performing a reconnaissance mission.
The airforce doesn't have much aircraft. But can you ask them what happened to the Jaguar aircraft we bought a few decades ago and why they were allowed to rot. And why maintaining platforms here is incredibly difficult.

However, they are buying the JF-17 and that is multi-role enough.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Whyem15: 3:58pm On Apr 18, 2020
GabrielYulaw:


You are right and wrong. The drone you are talking about is multi role too. It can carry either armaments or surveillance equipment. So, when the Boko issue is gone, we can use the drones to keep an eye on our borders, or loan it to the police to track bandits. And in case of invasion, these drones can do a good job of either bombing the invading army to bits or performing a reconnaissance mission.
The airforce doesn't have much aircraft. But can you ask them what happened to the Jaguar aircraft we bought a few decades ago and why they were allowed to rot. And why maintaining platforms here is incredibly difficult.

However, they are buying the JF-17 and that is multi-role enough.

Quick questions, can the wing loong fire air to air missiles? Is it capable of taking on interceptors and other aircrafts some of our neighbours posses? What is the probability of it surviving the air defense systems of our potential enemies?
What is the max payload it can carry, how many bombs will it be able to drop before returning to base?

If we have excess money and already has aircrafts performing other roles, why not? It is even advisable getting it.
Note: transferring armed drones to the NPF when they are only using the helicopters they have for VIP transport is an irresponsible thing to do grin
When it's not as if we want to be assasinating criminals sef.
Giving the customs and immigration is a better idea.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by GabrielYulaw(m): 4:31pm On Apr 18, 2020
Whyem15:


Quick questions, can the wing loong fire air to air missiles? Is it capable of taking on interceptors and other aircrafts some of our neighbours posses? What is the probability of it surviving the air defense systems of our potential enemies?

If we have excess money and already has aircrafts performing other roles, why not? It is even advisable getting it.
Note: transferring drones to the NPF when they are only using the helicopters they have for VIP transport is an irresponsible thing to do grin
Giving the customs and immigration is a better idea.

I don't really know if the Wing Loong can fire AAMs, but there are other drones that do. Defeating aircraft does not always mean shooting them down in the air. You can crater their runway so they can't take off or simply bomb them on the flight line if they are parked out in the open.
I stand to be corrected, but I don't think our neighbors have a modern air defense system in place. I could attach wings to my house and fly it to Ghana or Cameroon and they won't know till I land. If you want to see modern air defense, look to Egypt, Algeria and South Africa.

As for the NPF using helicopters for VIP transport, that happens but not all the time. But then what do you expect wink

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 4:43pm On Apr 18, 2020
kabe1:


the Tejas should cost around 35 and 45 million dollars.


I can confirm LCA mk1a cost per unit is 42-45 million dollars .
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 4:47pm On Apr 18, 2020
Habib Yusuf Al-Barnawi, the ex leader of ISWAP Shura council & son of Bokoharam founder is dead. He was killed by Ba idrissa loyalists of ISWAP on the 27 February 2020 in Tumbum Allura on L/C over disagreements on accepting amnesty.
He is survived by 3 wives & children

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 4:56pm On Apr 18, 2020
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 5:02pm On Apr 18, 2020
NAF bombs BHT hidden structures under hidden vegetation in Sambisa forest





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM5UwR5O4t0

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 5:04pm On Apr 18, 2020
COAS motivates soldiers on the ongoing onslaught



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plW9nIF7ZDM

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by SamuelAnyawu(m): 5:19pm On Apr 18, 2020
A Quick question?

Why is NAF Coordinating more bombings in Sambisa than the lake Chad basin?

NAF please we need more surveillance and bombings in Lake Chad especially that LGA called Gudzamala

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 5:28pm On Apr 18, 2020
GabrielYulaw:


You are right and wrong. The drone you are talking about is multi role too. It can carry either armaments or surveillance equipment. So, when the Boko issue is gone, we can use the drones to keep an eye on our borders, or loan it to the police to track bandits. And in case of invasion, these drones can do a good job of either bombing the invading army to bits or performing a reconnaissance mission.
The airforce doesn't have much aircraft. But can you ask them what happened to the Jaguar aircraft we bought a few decades ago and why they were allowed to rot. And why maintaining platforms here is incredibly difficult.

However, they are buying the JF-17 and that is multi-role enough.

How can someone say a drone is a multi-role platform for an air asset ? In what form and how is it multi-role !
Do you really know what the term “multi-role” means ; some people can make you laugh and crazy at the same time grin

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by rka2: 5:55pm On Apr 18, 2020
bidexiii:


How can someone say a drone is a multi-role platform for an air asset ? In what form and how is it multi-role !
Do you really know what the term “multi-role” means ; some people can make you laugh and crazy at the same time grin

I tire o!. Multi-role in the proper sense means it can carry out CAP, CAS, Strike, Interdiction, Intercept, surveillance missions (air to air and air to ground missions) when asked to do so when on a sortie. It can change roles while on a mission.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 6:08pm On Apr 18, 2020
SamuelAnyawu:
A Quick question?

Why us NAF Coordinating more bombings in Sambisa than the lake Chad basin?

NAF please we need more surveillance and bombings in Lake Chad especially that LGA called Gudzamala

I support your on this for the very first time.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 6:10pm On Apr 18, 2020
rka2:


I tire o!. Multi-role in the proper sense means it can carry out CAP, CAS, Strike, Interdiction, Intercept, surveillance missions (air to air and air to ground missions) when asked to do so when on a sortie. It can change roles while on a mission.

Even air space cover/ projection or when it comes to dog fight.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 6:32pm On Apr 18, 2020
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 6:34pm On Apr 18, 2020
bidexiii:


How can someone say a drone is a multi-role platform for an air asset ? In what form and how is it multi-role !
Do you really know what the term “multi-role” means ; some people can make you laugh and crazy at the same time grin

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by GabrielYulaw(m): 6:51pm On Apr 18, 2020
bidexiii:


How can someone say a drone is a multi-role platform for an air asset ? In what form and how is it multi-role !
Do you really know what the term “multi-role” means ; some people can make you laugh and crazy at the same time grin

The drone we are talking about is not a true multirole aircraft. It's also not a one-trick pony as it can perform both reconnaissance and attack missions.
Lots of people are crazy and deluded on this platform. Thankfully I'm not among them.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by blacKDalia: 7:19pm On Apr 18, 2020
bidexiii:
Habib Yusuf Al-Barnawi, the ex leader of ISWAP Shura council & son of Bokoharam founder is dead. He was killed by Ba idrissa loyalists of ISWAP on the 27 February 2020 in Tumbum Allura on L/C over disagreements on accepting amnesty.
[/b]He is survived by 3 wives & children[b]


Are you announcing an obituary?

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 7:30pm On Apr 18, 2020
blacKDalia:



Are you announcing an obituary?


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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by kabe1: 8:24pm On Apr 18, 2020
Let me just drop this one here.

Rocket Accidentally Fired by Chadian Air Force Su-25 Frogfoot Nearly Hits French C-130H at NDjamena Airport

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by rka2: 8:54pm On Apr 18, 2020
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 9:09pm On Apr 18, 2020
GabrielYulaw:


You are right and wrong. The drone you are talking about is multi role too. It can carry either armaments or surveillance equipment. So, when the Boko issue is gone, we can use the drones to keep an eye on our borders, or loan it to the police to track bandits. And in case of invasion, these drones can do a good job of either bombing the invading army to bits or performing a reconnaissance mission.
The airforce doesn't have much aircraft. But can you ask them what happened to the Jaguar aircraft we bought a few decades ago and why they were allowed to rot. And why maintaining platforms here is incredibly difficult.

However, they are buying the JF-17 and that is multi-role enough.

People should not get stuck up on definitions they are fluid and are determined by the use you put the particular asset too.,

If something can be modified then it can be used for whatever you decide too use it for, that makes it multi use and therefore multi role.

With regard to Sepecat Jaguar , probably the best set of air craft the NAF have ever acquired in recent times all 18.

However, our military has always from inception been cursed with political wranglings, tribalism and religious discrimination, the British started it as a means to prevent the south from agitating for independence.

But back to recent times, the suspicion of coup and counter coup created deep mistrust as well as undue paranoia with the senior officers. The NAF as well as the Navy required a certain degree of academic excellence and knowledge for progression. As a consequence the ability to flood the NAF and or the Navy with your own kinsmen in the past was limited.

There was a coup planned against Babangida in which NAF officers was heavily involved. They were in their positions by merit. Babangida could not control or manipulate the NAF. So he essentially rendered it impotent and the first victims were the Jaguars which they feared so much. A group of technicians came from India years back to do some assessment in civilian times and were shocked at how the aircraft were in such good condition. The all had very flight hours comparative to their ages. I expected the NAF to revive those airframes (for small money) which are still better than those Chinese rebadged Mig 21's we bought for stupid money IMO. Thankfully we are leaving those dark days behind. Unfortunately have not been able to deal with corruption completely.

It is the same historic mentality that has plagued the NPF, it seems the only weapon they have are assault rifles. Police forces across the world are equipped with MRAPS, HMG , Grenade launchers and multiple heavy to light weapons. But the fear that the NPF would therefore be equpped to stop the NA from carrying out coups or limiting the NA influence has seen that tent continue.

Because in all honesty the Mobile police force should be equipped with HMG, LAV, RPG7, Multiple light weapons Sniper rifles, and should be able to contend with BOKO. The police many a time are outgunned by criminals and why have their weapons not been upgraded to reflect the current threat levels bot with bandits and terrorists. That would free up the NA to concentrate on its core task.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by GabrielYulaw(m): 9:25pm On Apr 18, 2020
komekn:


People should not get stuck up on definitions they are fluid and are determined by the use you put the particular asset too.,

If something can be modified then it can be used for whatever you decide too use it for, that makes it multi use and therefore multi role.

With regard to Sepecat Jaguar , probably the best set of air craft the NAF have ever acquired in recent times all 18.

However, our military has always from inception been cursed with political wranglings, tribalism and religious discrimination, the British started it as a means to prevent the south from agitating for independence.

But back to recent times, the suspicion of coup and counter coup created deep mistrust as well as undue paranoia with the senior officers. The NAF as well as the Navy required a certain degree of academic excellence and knowledge for progression. As a consequence the ability to flood the NAF and or the Navy with your own kinsmen in the past was limited.

There was a coup planned against Babangida in which NAF officers was heavily involved. They were in their positions by merit. Babangida could not control or manipulate the NAF. So he essentially rendered it impotent and the first victims were the Jaguars which they feared so much. A group of technicians came from India years back to do some assessment in civilian times and were shocked at how the aircraft were in such good condition. The all had very flight hours comparative to their ages. I expected the NAF to revive those airframes (for small money) which are still better than those Chinese rebadged Mig 21's we bought for stupid money IMO. Thankfully we are leaving those dark days behind. Unfortunately have not been able to deal with corruption completely.

It is the same historic mentality that has plagued the NPF, it seems the only weapon they have are assault rifles. Police forces across the world are equipped with MRAPS, HMG , Grenade launchers and multiple heavy to light weapons. But the fear that the NPF would therefore be equpped to stop the NA from carrying out coups or limiting the NA influence has seen that tent continue.

Because in all honesty the Mobile police force should be equipped with HMG, LAV, RPG7, Multiple light weapons Sniper rifles, and should be able to contend with BOKO. The police many a time are outgunned by criminals and why have their weapons not been upgraded to reflect the current threat levels bot with bandits and terrorists. That would free up the NA to concentrate on its core task.

Bro, hope you know the Nigerian Police is hopelessly corrupt and incompetent. Not a week passes by without their killing innocents and getting away with it. And your solution is to give them heavy arms?
No, first they need to be massively retrained and the crazies among them weeded out. Even then, I don't think they should have heavy weaponry. But replacing their AK with something more modern would be nice.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by rationalhuman(m): 9:29pm On Apr 18, 2020
Why this wastage of money? JF-17 is metallic architecture and it has only single axis Fly by wire(It would be good by late 90s era) that is why China(Manufacturer) is not even using this and selling this trash to few desperate countries.. Future is in composite Fibers. Look at their neighbor India they took time and developed their LCA Tejas from scratch, it took them time but they were determined to develop Composite materials for different section and all Axis Fly By Wire. I would say instead of buying and relying this copy trash from China it would be far far better to have few used MIG 29 etc from Russia.
GabrielYulaw:


You are right and wrong. The drone you are talking about is multi role too. It can carry either armaments or surveillance equipment. So, when the Boko issue is gone, we can use the drones to keep an eye on our borders, or loan it to the police to track bandits. And in case of invasion, these drones can do a good job of either bombing the invading army to bits or performing a reconnaissance mission.
The airforce doesn't have much aircraft. But can you ask them what happened to the Jaguar aircraft we bought a few decades ago and why they were allowed to rot. And why maintaining platforms here is incredibly difficult.

However, they are buying the JF-17 and that is multi-role enough.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by rationalhuman(m): 9:38pm On Apr 18, 2020
Completely Agree with you,, This Chinese copy 90s era JF-17 is wastage of money, Even Chinese are not using this. It would be more feasible and logical to make an arrangement with India to upgrade and renovate these already existing inventory of Jaguars also there could be opportunity to get India`s BVR ASTRA missile with upgrade as well . This is utter wastage of funds by planners or may be there was some pressure from China?
komekn:


People should not get stuck up on definitions they are fluid and are determined by the use you put the particular asset too.,

If something can be modified then it can be used for whatever you decide too use it for, that makes it multi use and therefore multi role.

With regard to Sepecat Jaguar , probably the best set of air craft the NAF have ever acquired in recent times all 18.

However, our military has always from inception been cursed with political wranglings, tribalism and religious discrimination, the British started it as a means to prevent the south from agitating for independence.

But back to recent times, the suspicion of coup and counter coup created deep mistrust as well as undue paranoia with the senior officers. The NAF as well as the Navy required a certain degree of academic excellence and knowledge for progression. As a consequence the ability to flood the NAF and or the Navy with your own kinsmen in the past was limited.

There was a coup planned against Babangida in which NAF officers was heavily involved. They were in their positions by merit. Babangida could not control or manipulate the NAF. So he essentially rendered it impotent and the first victims were the Jaguars which they feared so much. A group of technicians came from India years back to do some assessment in civilian times and were shocked at how the aircraft were in such good condition. The all had very flight hours comparative to their ages. I expected the NAF to revive those airframes (for small money) which are still better than those Chinese rebadged Mig 21's we bought for stupid money IMO. Thankfully we are leaving those dark days behind. Unfortunately have not been able to deal with corruption completely.

It is the same historic mentality that has plagued the NPF, it seems the only weapon they have are assault rifles. Police forces across the world are equipped with MRAPS, HMG , Grenade launchers and multiple heavy to light weapons. But the fear that the NPF would therefore be equpped to stop the NA from carrying out coups or limiting the NA influence has seen that tent continue.

Because in all honesty the Mobile police force should be equipped with HMG, LAV, RPG7, Multiple light weapons Sniper rifles, and should be able to contend with BOKO. The police many a time are outgunned by criminals and why have their weapons not been upgraded to reflect the current threat levels bot with bandits and terrorists. That would free up the NA to concentrate on its core task.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Xbee007(m): 9:42pm On Apr 18, 2020
rationalhuman:
Why this wastage of money? JF-17 is metallic architecture and it has only single axis Fly by wire(It would be good by late 90s era) that is why China(Manufacturer) is not even using this and selling this trash to few desperate countries.. Future is in composite Fibers. Look at their neighbor India they took time and developed their LCA Tejas from scratch, it took them time but they were determined to develop Composite materials for different section and all Axis Fly By Wire. I would say instead of buying and relying this copy trash from China it would be far far better to have few used MIG 29 etc from Russia.
Use your real account to make this inane post maybe you will get a proper response.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by demolition: 9:56pm On Apr 18, 2020
Tchadian Office of the Prosecutor today in a statement revealed the sudden death of 44 #BokoHaram Jihadi prisoners among the 58 captured in L/C. Autopsy on 4 of the corpses point to severe asphyxiation of the heart.
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Odunayaw(m): 11:23pm On Apr 18, 2020
demolition:
Tchadian Office of the Prosecutor today in a statement revealed the sudden death of 44 #BokoHaram Jihadi prisoners among the 58 captured in L/C. Autopsy on 4 of the corpses point to severe asphyxiation of the heart.
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 12:10am On Apr 19, 2020
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Xbee007(m): 12:51am On Apr 19, 2020
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 1:43am On Apr 19, 2020
Xbee007:

Not referring to you at all

Feeling foolish now that every sorted out

Again my apologizes

Please delete the post of mine you quoted
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 5:47am On Apr 19, 2020
44 Boko Haram members found dead in prison




https://punchng.com/44-boko-haram-members-found-dead-in-prison/

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