thorrvik55:


U and this ur John Terry agenda

He was one of the best CBs of his time... Put some respeck on his name

Carvalho >>>>>> Terry
Vidic >>>>>>> Ferdinand

Leyqute:


Carvalho >>>>>> Terry
Vidic >>>>>>> Ferdinand

thorrvik55:


U and this ur John Terry agenda

He was one of the best CBs of his time... Put some respeck on his name

Did not say he was the best...

raumdeuter:


Firminos influence in Liverpool is also overrated, vs Atletico was the only game he scored in Anfield in almost a year

Well....I don't know how high they rate Firminho, but he's very good at hold-up play which is one good attribute that has helped the team get some crucial points when they needed it.

He's very strong on the ball and difficult to ruffle up. He feeds Sallah and Mane which I think is their coach's game plan. If I have two pacy forwards like Sallah and Mane, I won't look for A Jamie Vardie or Aguero to complete the trio.....I will go for a Firminho to always help them jig things up

thorrvik55:




Did not say he was the best...

Yeah, I know. Just showing you that hype makes players seem better than they actually are.

Leyqute:


Carvalho >>>>>> Terry
Vidic >>>>>>> Ferdinand

Agreed, your head is correct!!

BlueRayDick:


Well....I don't know how high they rate Firminho, but he's very good at hold-up play which is one good attribute that has helped the team get some crucial points when they needed it.

He's very strong on the ball and difficult to ruffle up. He feeds Sallah and Mane which I think is their coach's game plan. If I have two pacy forwards like Sallah and Mane, I won't look for A Jamie Vardie or Aguero to complete the trio.....I will go for a Firminho to always help them jig things up

Even if Naby Keita and Shaqiri are playing regularly, he would say he has helped the team gather crucial points e.g the game vs Man Ud that sacked Mourinho
For an attacker, scoring and assisting is the most important attribute and it is the hardest part of the game
Giroud will also claim he is holding up play
Its when the wingers are more effective than the 9 that they start looking for other attributes to celebrate in the 9.
It was the inability of Firmino that forced Salah and Mane to step up, Its why they are forced to take tough shots because they know their 9 wont score

raumdeuter:


I was going to say the same, Within Liverpool sef, he can only compete with Wijnaldum and whoever partners Van Dijk. I will even pick Wijnaldum over him
Every other person on the field is better
If they ask what is his best attribute they will say leadership just like John Terry

Oga leave John Terry alone abeg

Leyqute:
What about Van Dijk?

Shouting ginger and pointing.

A40:
As they said, they have done verbal autopsy. Crazy people

Shey hypertension and malaria no dey before? Wetin cause this sudden spike

elrony:


The Covid-19 Coordinator say them do verbal autopsy

Leyqute:


Carvalho >>>>>> Terry
Vidic >>>>>>> Ferdinand

LMFAO....... To say one is better than the other will ALWAYS be a matter of opinion not facts. Ferdinand will always be rated higher than Vidic.

Unlimited22:

Oga leave John Terry alone abeg

Terry is well behind Carvalho,Vidic in CL pecking order. This is someone who couldn't win CL with a stacked Chelsea team and even missed a penalty to deny his team the win. Soon as he was suspended, they then won

spillo1:
LMFAO....... To say one is better than the other will ALWAYS be a matter of opinion not facts.

Some opinion are almost facts
e.g
Ronaldo better than Zaha

raumdeuter:
Some opinion are almost facts e.g Ronaldo better than Zaha

For those particular comparism he mentioned they are not facts.

raumdeuter:


Shouting ginger and pointing.

Henderson >>>>>>>>>>>>> VVD in that aspect.

spillo1:

LMFAO....... To say one is better than the other will ALWAYS be a matter of opinion not facts. Ferdinand will always be rated higher than Vidic.

It’s not a debate. If you you’ve watched these players play you’d know who the backbone is and who the hyped player is.

spillo1:

LMFAO....... To say one is better than the other will ALWAYS be a matter of opinion not facts. Ferdinand will always be rated higher than Vidic.

Will always be rated higher? By who?


Who rates Ferdinand higher than Vidic?

raumdeuter:

Even if Naby Keita and Shaqiri are playing regularly, he would say he has helped the team gather crucial points e.g the game vs Man Ud that sacked Mourinho
For an attacker, scoring and assisting is the most important attribute and it is the hardest part of the game
Giroud will also claim he is holding up play
Its when the wingers are more effective than the 9 that they start looking for other attributes to celebrate in the 9.
It was the inability of Firmino that forced Salah and Mane to step up, Its why they are forced to take tough shots because they know their 9 wont score

Well I don't think anybody hypes Firminho as one of the top 10 strikers in the Epl. Obviously he's not one. So I don't understand how he's overrated

It is Henderson that is being hyped by the British media when he has nothing really tí show for it aside pashun

Leyqute:


It’s not a debate. If you you’ve watched these players play you’d know who the backbone is and who the hyped player is.

LMFAO......Once again it remains your opinion as others will also have their own contrasting opinions. None of what you wrote are facts.

spillo1:

LMFAO......Once again it remains your opinion as others will also have their own contrasting opinions. None of what you wrote are facts.

LooL. K.

larride:


Will always be rated higher? By who?


Who rates Ferdinand higher than Vidic?

I surprise when me sef see am

larride:


Will always be rated higher? By who?


Who rates Ferdinand higher than Vidic?

LMFAO.....Ferdinand is always rated above Vidic by United fans and will make a United greatest xi before Vidic.

They are 2 different positions in central defence....5 & 6.
One is the first to tackle/mark/intercept (Vidic, Carvalho, Kompany), the other cover up, organize the back 4, and also the brain of the defence, good with the ball, can join attack( Ferdinand, Terry, Van dirk).

You can't just say one is better than the other....

The vidic/Carvalho/Kompany will struggle against skillful attackers but overcome strong attackers...

Ferdinard/Terry will struggle against physical attackers but overcome skillful attackers.

post=88913512:
They are 2 different positions in central defence....5 & 6.
One is the first to tackle/mark/intercept (Vidic, Carvalho, Kompany), the other cover up, organize the back 4, and also the brain of the defence, good with the ball, can join attack( Ferdinand, Terry, Van dirk).

You can't just say one is better than the other....

The vidic/Carvalho/Kompany will struggle against skillful attackers but overcome strong attackers...

Ferdinard/Terry will struggle against physical attackers but overcome skillful attackers.

Can't believe I am agreeing with you but you nailed it.In modern defending the centrebacks act as a partnership, one attacks the ball, the other tracks the runner. Both Centre backs dont do the same job. Most people will always believe the more aggressive partner is better than the calm ones who read the game better that's why it always comes down to preference and style of play we like.

spillo1:

Can't believe I am agreeing with you but you nailed it.In modern defending the centrebacks act as a partnership, one attacks the ball, the other tracks the runner. Both Centre backs dont do the same job. Most people will always believe the more aggressive partner is better than the calm ones who read the game better that's why it always comes down to preference and style of play we like.

People do think the CB that tackle most is the best....

Terry/Ferdinard/Van dirk study the game better....

Check Liverpool back line organization last season/this season, most opponent attack end up bn offside, ....Mr Van dirk will point and shout to arrange the offside trap, making defending easy for them.

Leyqute:
Henderson >>>>>>>>>>>>> VVD in that aspect.

Well thats the only thing Henderson has to sell. Forming activity

spillo1:

LMFAO.....Ferdinand is always rated above Vidic by United fans and will make a United greatest xi before Vidic.

Who will watch the game and rate Ferdinand higher? Maybe because he is English

Ferdinand left, Vidic is still pairing Evans OShea Brown to win league titles

Leyqute:
Henderson is not slightly above average. He’s the king of average.

Passing technique, vision, positional intelligence and other attributes of a top midfielder are absent from his repertoire. He’s only rich in shouting, ginger and maggi.

He’s not even close to the 25th best player in the league.

apparently, none of liverpool midfield can be rated top class..
All of them re average at best... the only thing pushing them through is that team work.

Expert17:
They are 2 different positions in central defence....5 & 6.
One is the first to tackle/mark/intercept (Vidic, Carvalho, Kompany), the other cover up, organize the back 4, and also the brain of the defence, good with the ball, can join attack( Ferdinand, Terry, Van dirk).

You can't just say one is better than the other....

The vidic/Carvalho/Kompany will struggle against skillful attackers but overcome strong attackers...

Ferdinard/Terry will struggle against physical attackers but overcome skillful attackers.

These category are those who hide from the ball and claim they are organising defence, When Ferdinand left who was organising Man Utd defence? Was it Evans or Oshea

Football is an activity not a presentation where you will be pointing and organising

How come Chelsea won the CL without their so called brain of the defence

Between Ramos and Varane who won 3 CL, who was the brain of the defence?

When Kompany paired Mangala, Lescott, Otamendi Demichelis who was the brain of the defence? Does it sound right that Mangala, Otamendi Demichelis or Lesscott were the brain of anything? When they left City how is that brain working for them

spillo1:

Can't believe I am agreeing with you but you nailed it.In modern defending the centrebacks act as a partnership, one attacks the ball, the other tracks the runner. Both Centre backs dont do the same job. Most people will always believe the more aggressive partner is better than the calm ones who read the game better that's why it always comes down to preference and style of play we like.

That is a big fallacy, You play football its not powerpoint presentation. You go out there and put your body on the line. Its easy to point here and there

Shebi all of us go dey studios and viewing centers pointing what this person should have done or not. Shebi all dem Neville go dey carry touchpad dey talk what someone should have done or not

Remove these so called brains and the agressive partners can still hold the defence like Vidic showed in Man Utd, but any defender whose game is based on pointing and pointing how will he cope

raumdeuter:


Who will watch the game and rate Ferdinand higher? Maybe because he is English

Ferdinand left, Vidic is still pairing Evans OShea Brown to win league titles

LMFAO. .....Believe Whatever rocks your boat. Lol what an old statement. Xavi left and iniesta Was still winning league titles with rakitic. Xavi must have been useless. Rest with this your agenda.

Expert17:


People do think the CB that tackle most is the best....

Terry/Ferdinard/Van dirk study the game better....

Check Liverpool back line organization last season/this season, most opponent attack end up bn offside, ....Mr Van dirk will point and shout to arrange the offside trap, making defending easy for them.

Lol, you sha don agree that VVD is a point and shout defender.

spillo1:

LMFAO. .....Believe Whatever rocks your boat. Lol what an old statement. Xavi left and iniesta Was still winning league titles with rakitic. Xavi must have been useless. Rest with this your agenda.

Xavi left there was still Busquets and Iniesta.

With your logic was it Johnny Evans or Oshea that was reading the game for Vidic to win the league