Xbee007:

Knowing the reputation of SBNN, how recent is this video?

He has got his twitter followers hooked on some tales by moonlight. Even defence headquarters has noticed him.

I see him claiming Nigerian Air Force JF-17 flew today. No other international source can verify this claim.

I think there is a lot of good content coming out from Nigeria. There is no need for people like SSBN to manufacture stories.

Xbee007:

Knowing the reputation of SBNN, how recent is this video?

I heard someone in the video saying AIT are there. It is to verify from AIT on YouTube.

kabe1:




He has got his twitter followers hooked on some tales by moonlight. Even defence headquarters has noticed him.

I see him claiming Nigerian Air Force JF-17 flew today. No other international source can verify this claim.

I think there is a lot of good content coming out from Nigeria. There is no need for people like SSBN to manufacture stories.

He's got people indoctrinated , anti-Franco-american sentiments litter his handle

lebuhsi:

He's got people indoctrinated , anti-Franco-american sentiments litter his handle

I'll give him credit for growing his following. However he really needs to stop manufacturing stories, the same thing he was doing here.

I also noticed when people call him out for his false statements they are usually quickly blocked.

lebuhsi:

He's got people indoctrinated , anti-Franco-american sentiments litter his handle

Brenda Uji had to call him out the other day.

jpphilips:


You claim to be analyzing best value for money but conveniently skipped training
Which value for money does your UCAV add in that regards?

Where will you get the opportunity for a Soleimani kinda hit in an assymetric warfare the type we are fighting in NE? You just compared apples with potatoes, NAF needs to provide close air support for long hrs and run ISR while at it, agreed your UCAV can run ISR but can it give close air support without throwing expensive precision missiles? if your answer is no, then how is that best value for money?
[color=#990000]A-29 can gladly straff its guns when NAF is on low budget to fire expensive precision missiles where does that fall into your best value for money analysis?
Soleimani was killed with 2 nos $115k missiles, is that the best value for money for NAF with less than $250m annual budget?


During and after this war, Nigeria's battle theater will be majorly in Civilian population not a Turkey vs Syrian army kinda war, again you compare apples with candy, you sincerely think we will have the luxury of throwing smart bombs around? at what cost? A group of cattle rustlers in Sokoto or a group of pipeline vandals in the Niger delta creek, you waste GB3 250 kg laser-guided bomb on them plus collateral damages that can land you a global sanction? really? you call that best value for money?

You said A-29 is easy to shoot down at nearly 600km/hr speed, meanwhile you recommend a drone of 370km/hr top speed as your so called best value for money apparently, you have no clue why several better drones have been lost in Libya.

Speaking of shooting down A-29, it operates beyond the reach of ISWAP AA guns and it engages targets within the same distance so your analysis is baseless, your AA can't shoot down what you can't see.

US strategic partners have privileges you dont, while they can get strategic assets, from the US you cant so you are living in a dream.
Jonathan's handlers once had that dream of owning a Chinook, we know how he woke up from that dream, repeating Jonathan's dream is silly.
F16 is not exactly a COIN aircraft so when next you want to make smart comparisons, use the Air Tractor or Warthog to compare with the Tucano, US will not sell Warthog to Nigeria, has never sold it not even to allies so we fall back again to the Tucano as the smartest choice.[/color]

My post that addressed this muddle of misinformation and propositions under pinned simply by your self birthed presumptions was addressed by me quite some time ago. However, for reasons unknown that post has gone missing.

The analogy of the Qassem Soleiman brazen assassination by the USA with its MQ-9 Reaper UAV, is in generalist terms to highlight the efficacy of UAV in precision attacks. The Chinese Wing Loong II UAV is not as good but retains for the price outstanding attributes of which the Chinese not me claim to compete with the $30 million MQ-9. ( that is over hype to me) So that comparison is dubiously misleading and not part of the original discourse. The reference to the MQ-9 by me is indicative generalist and not specific related.

The original discourse centers on the question of "Best value and the most efficient use of resources for the greatest impact in the NE" You can have a short term and long term view.

In that context the comparison was made by cost and delivery outcome impact of Wing Loong II against IMO overpriced and limited value A29 Tucano.

The unit cost of Wing Loong II is approximately $1million and the approximate unit cost of the A29 in excess of $33 million excluding all the contract add ons for the $600 million contract procurement package. Effectively means procurement unit cost of one A29 is equivalent to over 30 Wing Loong II UAV's

You created inadvertently a unit of measurement with your factitious comparison of price of precision munitions Specifically the $115K USA missiles you create even more questions about the A29 sustainability over the short term and long term.

However going back to the inception false premise, that the A29 is the best air frame for COIN , thats simply not true. The role of the A29 in current and past USAF operations in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria, is essentially non existent in comparison to other USAF assets deployed. This is a fallacy a outcome delivery of deceptive marketing targeted to inconsequential associate nations.

NATO declined procurement of the A10 as being not fir for purpose. At the time there was unequivocal agreement that the A10 was not better than the existing NATO assets and that included the Jaguar, Mirage and F16'S. That there other precision weaponry that could be brought to the conflict that was more efficient for close support such as with attack , helicopters and guided munitions.

The word COIN is the very fluid it is not some concept that is rigid, particular and exact, it really is very broad, so you are misleading yourself.

In this day and age nobody is strafing ground targets at low altitude with 30 mm cannon fire in support of ground troops. In these engagement there is close proximity and the danger of friendly fire is too high, i.e. blue on blue. Add to that if you fly the A29 at that low altitude it will be a target AA fire. As a consequence the A29 relies entirely on it precision weaponry for the efficiency of its strikes against enemy targets not nose diving gun trucks this isn't WW2.

Now you have made this rod for your own back, how much are the expensive ATGM's, laser guided bombs, etc that the A29 uses according to you $115k a pop. When the first batch of bombs are used up, will we have the $$$ to buy more Is that long term sustainable

The MQ-9 is $30 Milion and the Wing Loong II is $1 Million, its reasonable to project that the precision weaponry ATGM, Lazer guided bombs, etc will be a mere fraction of the cost of the USA similar ones and as usual way over priced.

As a result we will start attaching non adaptable munitions with no precision targeting to the A29 because we cant afford the expensive USA procured ones, then all the associated service costs of replacement parts and avionics updates, etc will make this plane almost useless. Within 4 years there will be all kinds of queries and allegations. It will end up being a liability if we are not careful and not better than the Alpha and F7's for the role we procured it for.

Boko dont have the technology to hit at high altitude aircraft so the possibility of an A29 or a Wing Loong II being shot down is almost no existent. So whenever this war ends we will still need surveillance in the sky.

Currently we should have 24/7 365 complete surveillance of the NE only a UAV can give you that one that has an endurance of 32 hours compared to 6 hours for a A29. The cost of 2 A29's gives us 60 +Wing Loong II UAV's that means short term and long term we can have coverage over the national maritime waters and beyond. That is long term sustainability. In addition the cost of keeping that UAV in the air for 24 hours plus much much cheaper than the A29.

The USA has no regard for Nigeria, the people yes maybe but the leadership a big NO. Why that is a never ending debate, which includes corruption. Now if they dont value us why on earth are we partnering with them, for goodness sake. Marriage is not by force, if USA will not marry us France, Germany, Russia, Ukraine , etc no deh. Essentially if the USA will not consider us a strategic partner then we find somebody who will.

It is a very pertinent point the USA does not use this aircraft in any significant way. None of its serious or valued partners use who are fighting COIN wars at different intensities. But some how, many on this forum think it is a great solution for the NE . What the NE needs is surveillance but the right commodification infrastructure and a 1000+ more fir for purpose armoured vehicles to enable combatants have the capacity to engage the enemy.

Finally a verbatim statement from Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein that tells the story of the A29 in a nutshell if you read between the lines.

"Our focus is on how a light attack aircraft can help our allies and partners as they confront violent extremism and conduct operations within their borders," Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein said in the release. "Continuing this experiment, using the authorities Congress has provided, gives us the opportunity to put a small number of aircraft through the paces and work with partner nations on ways in which smaller, affordable aircraft like these can support their air forces."

KingAzubuike:
Do we at all have snipers in the nigerian army? They seem to be very rare.

Having sniper rifles the NA do have them as well as designated snipers however incorporating them into your operational strategy and tactics may be another.

Dear Buratai,

Kindly do something about this town called "Tungushe" in Konduga LGA 8Kilometers into Maiduguri along Maiduguri-Monguno way.

Previously, once we get to Gajiram-Gajiganna-Tungushe areas we assume we are already at home in Maid.

But throughout last week till today ISWAP/ BH has been harassing travelers. Today over 30 vehicles had to return to Monguno as ISWAP/BH operated over 2hours. Imagine getting to a town thats just 10mins drive into Maiduguri, but drivers had to drive 2hours back to Monguno.

Kindly do something Sir

komekn:


Having sniper rifles the NA do have them as well as designated snipers however incorporating them into your operational strategy and tactics may be another.

I've honestly never seen them in operation.

KingAzubuike:

I've honestly never seen them in operation.

I've seen them Alot in the north east mostly the ones with Orsis T-5000

KingAzubuike:

I've honestly never seen them in operation.

In all honesty you rarely do.

They always remain hidden, what puzzles me is I dont see them taking out the gun truck we are so weary of.

One 50 cal bullet in the engine block of those rickety pickups and the vehicle is inoperable, an incendiary round in the cab kills all the front passengers round in the housing chamber and its mashed up essentially. Or if you llke sniper can take off the head of the operator on a now very immobile truck.

but thats my 2 penny opinion.

SamuelAnyawu:
Dear Buratai,

Kindly do something about this town called "Tungushe" in Konduga LGA 8Kilometers into Maiduguri along Maiduguri-Monguno way.

Previously, once we get to Gajiram-Gajiganna-Tungushe areas we assume we are already at home in Maid.

But throughout last week till today ISWAP/ BH has been harassing travelers. Today over 30 vehicles had to return to Monguno as ISWAP/BH operated over 2hours. Imagine getting to a town thats just 10mins drive into Maiduguri, but drivers had to drive 2hours back to Monguno.

Kindly do something Sir

Were they stealing stuffs from road users?

kabe1:


JF-17 in joint exercise with UAE F-16 Block 60, Saudi Arabia Eurofighter, Kuwati F/A-18 and Egypt F-16 Block 52.

The JF-17 is a combat proven aircraft, all weather, state of the art aircraft with modern avionics and an advanced EW suite.

Which other air-force apart from China and Pakistan who jointly make this aircraft use it and have recorded any measured successful combat experience with it As you expect Pakistan wil always hype their own aircraft good or bad. In a war situation the first casualty is the TRUTH.


The PAF claimed its JF-17s had shot down two Indian fighters pursuing strike planes into Pakistani airspace. However, while the loss of one upgraded Indian MiG-21 Bison was confirmed and its pilot captured, India subsequently displayed fragments of American-made AIM-120 missiles only compatible with Pakistan’s F-16s, casting some doubt on whether the PAF’s Thunders were responsible for the kill.

This plane is being marketed dropping a few bombs on a rag tag insurgent group does not amount to battle proven IMO.

Xbee007:

Were they stealing stuffs from road users?

Yeaa they carted away food. You know Borno government relaxed the curfew for passengers and food items to move within towns. Tho they were also telling some of the passengers in local language that government said they are on the run. But they are now operating in a town just 8KMs into Maiduguri city and waiting for the Military to show up.

SamuelAnyawu:
Dear Buratai,

Kindly do something about this town called "Tungushe" in Konduga LGA 8Kilometers into Maiduguri along Maiduguri-Monguno way.

Previously, once we get to Gajiram-Gajiganna-Tungushe areas we assume we are already at home in Maid.

But throughout last week till today ISWAP/ BH has been harassing travelers. Today over 30 vehicles had to return to Monguno as ISWAP/BH operated over 2hours. Imagine getting to a town thats just 10mins drive into Maiduguri, but drivers had to drive 2hours back to Monguno.

Kindly do something Sir

Thats not good news and very very worrying.

SamuelAnyawu:


Yeaa they carted away food. You know Borno government relaxed the curfew for passengers and food items to move within towns. Tho they were also telling some of the passengers in local language that government said they are on the run. But they are now operating in a town just 8KMs into Maiduguri city and waiting for the Military to show up.

Oh my ... Buratai

Just one correction, Even China dont use this trash. They have another.

komekn:


Which other air-force apart from China and Pakistan who jointly make this aircraft use it and have recorded any measured successful combat experience with it As you expect Pakistan wil always hype their own aircraft good or bad. In a war situation the first casualty is the TRUTH.


The PAF claimed its JF-17s had shot down two Indian fighters pursuing strike planes into Pakistani airspace. However, while the loss of one upgraded Indian MiG-21 Bison was confirmed and its pilot captured, India subsequently displayed fragments of American-made AIM-120 missiles only compatible with Pakistan’s F-16s, casting some doubt on whether the PAF’s Thunders were responsible for the kill.

This plane is being marketed dropping a few bombs on a rag tag insurgent group does not amount to battle proven IMO.

kabe1:




[/b]He has got his twitter followers hooked on some tales by moonlight. Even defence headquarters has noticed him[b]

I see him claiming Nigerian Air Force JF-17 flew today. No other international source can verify this claim.

I think there is a lot of good content coming out from Nigeria. There is no need for people like SSBN to manufacture stories.

You ain’t nice

Xbee007:

Oh my ... Buratai

Buratai should push this war more in Northern and Central Borno and not the South. Sincerely there should be a massive operation here in Lake Chad Northern Borno axis

SamuelAnyawu:
Dear Buratai,

Kindly do something about this town called "Tungushe" in Konduga LGA 8Kilometers into Maiduguri along Maiduguri-Monguno way.

Previously, once we get to Gajiram-Gajiganna-Tungushe areas we assume we are already at home in Maid.

But throughout last week till today ISWAP/ BH has been harassing travelers. Today over 30 vehicles had to return to Monguno as ISWAP/BH operated over 2hours. Imagine getting to a town thats just 10mins drive into Maiduguri, but drivers had to drive 2hours back to Monguno.

Kindly do something Sir

Sorry to disturb you sir, but that incident is around what time today?

klhazhik:



Sorry to disturb you sir, but that incident is around what time today?

12 noon

Faithful007:
the A10 was fashioned primarily as an anti-tank aircraft in conventional attack ops, if the A10 were that useful in COIN then why is the us switching from using them to tucanos in afgan. the A10 is useless not in the sense that it is a powerless aircraft, it simply has no major role for now. the tucano are better for COIN ops and easier to maintain.

I have nothing to say, mainly cos your assertions are so laughable I won't waste time discussing and refuting them.

komekn:


Which other air-force apart from China and Pakistan who jointly make this aircraft use it and have recorded any measured successful combat experience with it As you expect Pakistan wil always hype their own aircraft good or bad. In a war situation the first casualty is the TRUTH.


The PAF claimed its JF-17s had shot down two Indian fighters pursuing strike planes into Pakistani airspace. However, while the loss of one upgraded Indian MiG-21 Bison was confirmed and its pilot captured, India subsequently displayed fragments of American-made AIM-120 missiles only compatible with Pakistan’s F-16s, casting some doubt on whether the PAF’s Thunders were responsible for the kill.

This plane is being marketed dropping a few bombs on a rag tag insurgent group does not amount to battle proven IMO.

Did you actually go through my post?

Can you post a link from the Pakistani Defence saying they shot down India's MIG-21 with a JF-17.

I didn't tell you JF-17 shot down MIG-21.

Until recently, only France used the Rafale, the fact is Myanmar bought 16 units, Nigeria has ordered 3 units. The JF-17 has had export success for such a new aircraft.

Please read my post again.

komekn:


Which

This plane is being marketed dropping a few bombs on a rag tag insurgent group does not amount to battle proven IMO.

What do you consider is a battle proven aircraft?

komekn:


My post that addressed this muddle of misinformation and propositions under pinned simply by your self birthed presumptions was addressed by me quite some time ago. However, for reasons unknown that post has gone missing.

The analogy of the Qassem Soleiman brazen assassination by the USA with its MQ-9 Reaper UAV, is in generalist terms to highlight the efficacy of UAV in precision attacks. The Chinese Wing Loong II UAV is not as good but retains for the price outstanding attributes of which the Chinese not me claim to compete with the $30 million MQ-9. ( that is over hype to me) So that comparison is dubiously misleading and not part of the original discourse. The reference to the MQ-9 by me is indicative generalist and not specific related.

The original discourse centers on the question of "Best value and the most efficient use of resources for the greatest impact in the NE" You can have a short term and long term view.

In that context the comparison was made by cost and delivery outcome impact of Wing Loong II against IMO overpriced and limited value A29 Tucano.

The unit cost of Wing Loong II is approximately $1million and the approximate unit cost of the A29 in excess of $33 million excluding all the contract add ons for the $600 million contract procurement package. Effectively means procurement unit cost of one A29 is equivalent to over 30 Wing Loong II UAV's

You created inadvertently a unit of measurement with your factitious comparison of price of precision munitions Specifically the $115K USA missiles you create even more questions about the A29 sustainability over the short term and long term.

However going back to the inception false premise, that the A29 is the best air frame for COIN , thats simply not true. The role of the A29 in current and past USAF operations in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria, is essentially non existent in comparison to other USAF assets deployed. This is a fallacy a outcome delivery of deceptive marketing targeted to inconsequential associate nations.

NATO declined procurement of the A10 as being not fir for purpose. At the time there was unequivocal agreement that the A10 was not better than the existing NATO assets and that included the Jaguar, Mirage and F16'S. That there other precision weaponry that could be brought to the conflict that was more efficient for close support such as with attack , helicopters and guided munitions.

The word COIN is the very fluid it is not some concept that is rigid, particular and exact, it really is very broad, so you are misleading yourself.

In this day and age nobody is strafing ground targets at low altitude with 30 mm cannon fire in support of ground troops. In these engagement there is close proximity and the danger of friendly fire is too high, i.e. blue on blue. Add to that if you fly the A29 at that low altitude it will be a target AA fire. As a consequence the A29 relies entirely on it precision weaponry for the efficiency of its strikes against enemy targets not nose diving gun trucks this isn't WW2.

Now you have made this rod for your own back, how much are the expensive ATGM's, laser guided bombs, etc that the A29 uses according to you $115k a pop. When the first batch of bombs are used up, will we have the $$$ to buy more Is that long term sustainable

The MQ-9 is $30 Milion and the Wing Loong II is $1 Million, its reasonable to project that the precision weaponry ATGM, Lazer guided bombs, etc will be a mere fraction of the cost of the USA similar ones and as usual way over priced.

As a result we will start attaching non adaptable munitions with no precision targeting to the A29 because we cant afford the expensive USA procured ones, then all the associated service costs of replacement parts and avionics updates, etc will make this plane almost useless. Within 4 years there will be all kinds of queries and allegations. It will end up being a liability if we are not careful and not better than the Alpha and F7's for the role we procured it for.

Boko dont have the technology to hit at high altitude aircraft so the possibility of an A29 or a Wing Loong II being shot down is almost no existent. So whenever this war ends we will still need surveillance in the sky.

Currently we should have 24/7 365 complete surveillance of the NE only a UAV can give you that one that has an endurance of 32 hours compared to 6 hours for a A29. The cost of 2 A29's gives us 60 +Wing Loong II UAV's that means short term and long term we can have coverage over the national maritime waters and beyond. That is long term sustainability. In addition the cost of keeping that UAV in the air for 24 hours plus much much cheaper than the A29.

The USA has no regard for Nigeria, the people yes maybe but the leadership a big NO. Why that is a never ending debate, which includes corruption. Now if they dont value us why on earth are we partnering with them, for goodness sake. Marriage is not by force, if USA will not marry us France, Germany, Russia, Ukraine , etc no deh. Essentially if the USA will not consider us a strategic partner then we find somebody who will.

It is a very pertinent point the USA does not use this aircraft in any significant way. None of its serious or valued partners use who are fighting COIN wars at different intensities. But some how, many on this forum think it is a great solution for the NE . What the NE needs is surveillance but the right commodification infrastructure and a 1000+ more fir for purpose armoured vehicles to enable combatants have the capacity to engage the enemy.

Finally a verbatim statement from Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein that tells the story of the A29 in a nutshell if you read between the lines.

"Our focus is on how a light attack aircraft can help our allies and partners as they confront violent extremism and conduct operations within their borders," Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein said in the release. "Continuing this experiment, using the authorities Congress has provided, gives us the opportunity to put a small number of aircraft through the paces and work with partner nations on ways in which smaller, affordable aircraft like these can support their air forces."

No 1- Your old post didn't get missing. I suspect someone asked a mod to delete it.
No 2- Suleimani was murdered, not assassinated. There's a difference. He was a high ranking member of his government tasked with negotiating on its behalf and without him and Iran, ISIS would have long overran Iraq and the region.
No 3- In this day and age, cannon straffing from a fast moving jet is still effective, especially when used against an adversary without a modern air defense system in place.

Otherwise I agree with the rest of your post.

Although this is a Chinese copy of MIG 21 but it can be effective against those Jihadi Boko Terrorists.
I dont see Nigeria going to war with any neighboring country(Only in that case you never know outcome) thus it is fine, But just because Nigeria bought this please dont tel us this is 4th gen fighter.

Better upgrade you inventory of Jaguars, The real deal.

kabe1:


Did you actually go through my post?

Can you post a link from the Pakistani Defence saying they shot down India's MIG-21 with a JF-17.

I didn't tell you JF-17 shot down MIG-21.

Until recently, only France used the Rafale, the fact is Myanmar bought 16 units, Nigeria has ordered 3 units. The JF-17 has had export success for such a new aircraft.

Please read my post again.

Juchii:
As impressive as this new development maybe, I researched about this firm aronedelivery, and
I couldn't find enough materials and works to convince me that they truly deserve this job.

In my own opinion, I think NAF should start absorbing some pure talent like the one in this video

I stand to be corrected though because I don't know much in this area. Actually I haven't seen such talent with much dedication like this guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCzgfSrI9ZM

An RC plane enthusiast? Okay

SamuelAnyawu:
Dear Buratai,

Kindly do something about this town called "Tungushe" in Konduga LGA 8Kilometers into Maiduguri along Maiduguri-Monguno way.

Previously, once we get to Gajiram-Gajiganna-Tungushe areas we assume we are already at home in Maid.

But throughout last week till today ISWAP/ BH has been harassing travelers. Today over 30 vehicles had to return to Monguno as ISWAP/BH operated over 2hours. Imagine getting to a town thats just 10mins drive into Maiduguri, but drivers had to drive 2hours back to Monguno.

Kindly do something Sir

Buratai is on Nairaland ni

If you want your voice to be heard, use Twitter. You're not doing much service to yourself and the people of Borno by only dropping this on Nairaland

rationalhuman:
Although this is a Chinese copy of MIG 21 but it can be effective against those Jihadi Boko Terrorists.
I dont see Nigeria going to war with any neighboring country(Only in that case you never know outcome) thus it is fine, But just because Nigeria bought this please dont tel us this is 4th gen fighter.

Better upgrade you inventory of Jaguars, The real deal.

A ground attack aircraft is the real deal? Your moniker doesn't tally with your reasoning

lebuhsi:

This guys are M.I.T , tdayof(I don't know his real name), also signed a R & D agreement with the Nigerian army forces, as far as I know, it didn't concretize, he finally moved to China, I read an article that a Chinese company bought intellectual rights, I can't seem to find it, I'm still looking

Fair enough. I hope they can get some work done. I'd rather they build something operational than commissioning only to be stuck on a shelf.

Juchii:
...
In my own opinion, I think NAF should start absorbing some pure talent like the one in this video

I stand to be corrected though because I don't know much in this area. Actually I haven't seen such talent with much dedication like this guy.
...

Unfortunately, if country was developed he'll probably own his line of consumer drones or working in an area where his talents would earn him decent financial rewards. Military drones are another sphere, robotics, material sciences, software engineers are needed. Unless he has extensive networks or prior experience at advanced level, he'll not be able to deliver.

Odunayaw:
Buratai is on Nairaland ni

If you want your voice to be heard, use Twitter. You're not doing much service to yourself and the people of Borno by only dropping this on Nairaland

As if Buratai isn't aware of the reality already.

Xbee007:

As if Buratai isn't aware of the reality already.

Never underestimate the power of open letter