Expert17:
Someone played in EPL from 1996 - 2015.................you are using 2003-2006 to judge him

Even Maldini/Cannaravo/ Nesta will suffer with the defenders and goalkeepers in Man Utd during 2003-2006.

raumdeuter:


Its what he does while on the field that counts not what he couldnt do when he is off the field. On the field he limited Ajax to 1 goal, off Ajax scored 3

simonjassy:
this is a silly analysis.Ajax that were missing sitters in the first leg.

raumdeuter:


How can you make mistakes when you flee from confrontation? You cant lose a contest you didnt engage in

Ibeme:


Xavi played from like 1998 to 2016, yet we only use 2008 to 2012 to judge him.

He played 1996-2015, yet achieved next to nothing except the 6 years when Vidic stabilised him.

Before that, we have already given him the tag of John Stones, hyped in smaller clubs but becoming a laughing stock when he reached the club where reliability matters.

simonjassy:
Haha, bros take am easy nah

Godx:

He has shown that the best way to defend is to avoid 1 vs 1 entirely. Best way to defend 1 vs 1 is to turn them into 1 vs many. Van Dijk is great at doing that perfectly. I will take him at my club in an heartbeat.

Expert17:


How will ferninard play well with this team

Caroll/Howard
G.Neville Ferdinard. Brown/Oshea/Silvestre P.neville/Heinze

(thou, he was in team of the year 2004/2005)
Vidic will struggle with this players

raumdeuter:


Pre 2003 what was he doing in football? He was just like another John Stones who could pass and was hyped as a result

When you watch John Stones like Rio you will always see his reluctance to engage attackers but Peps defence doesnt cover him well so he gets exposed regularly

All those tactic of waiting to get support can only work when you outnumber the attacker, where its 3 attackers vs 4 defenders or 3 vs 3 how else do you handle it without engaging?

Expert17:


Before 2003, he broke Defender transfer fee twice....

He became the youngest defender to debut for England(1997).

Mention 2 top CB Vidic ever benched in his career?? ...... he met a good platform to perform at United.
Ferdinard benched lot of stars at club and country

Godx:

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He does that in a smart way, cutting off the angles and basically forcing the attacker into a bad choice. He is incredible in 1 vs 1 situations. Committing to the tackle is for guys who aren't confident of their ability to force a striker into a bad position. i can smell your hatred for him all through your post. You have sworn never to admit anything about him so let's just end it. I don't like people that can never be objective.

Swissh:
Am I the only one seeing Ibime and ibeme?

Nope

Swissh:
Am I the only one seeing Ibime and ibeme?

timbros:


Truth is coming out small small. So VVD avoids 1 vs 1 so that Matip/Gomez and TAA/Robertson fall back to help out.? Hmmmm talk about community defending.

Ibeme:


Sorry to tell you, the only weak player there is Silvester and Carroll who are backups anyway.

All the rest are easily capable of winning leagues. It is their leader that is the problem. We saw this weak leadership in QPR later as he led them to relegation while they drank goals like kunu. We can expect old age to play a part in one-on-ones but their defense had the most shambolic disorganisation cos their leader has little defensive sense. He needed Vidic to lead him to be honest.

timbros:


Yea, that was how he cut off the angles and forced Morata into a bad choice in the very last match he played.

raumdeuter:


John stones also broke transfer fees he also debuted at age 20

WHich good platform was at Man utd when he joined?

Expert17:
You sabi avoid question...

you must answer this one.

Mention 2 top defenders Vidic ever benched in his career??

Ibeme:


I have no problem with both styles of defending TBH. I don't have to see aggressive defending nor do I have to see clean defending to rate you. Whichever one you are doing, just do it well.

Just like you have Roy Keane, Edgar Davids and Diego Someone that can kill you with tackles, or you have Makelele who hardly tackles but specializes in guiding you into traffic. Both are still great DMs.

VVD style of defending is very effective for me, same as Vidic that will engage you.

Ibeme:


I have no problem with both styles of defending TBH. I don't have to see aggressive defending nor do I have to see clean defending to rate you. Whichever one you are doing, just do it well.

Just like you have Roy Keane, Edgar Davids and Diego Someone that can kill you with tackles, or you have Makelele who hardly tackles but specializes in guiding you into traffic. Both are still great DMs.

VVD style of defending is very effective for me, same as Vidic that will engage you.

raumdeuter:


Abe which kain yeye question be this?

mention one top defender VVD ever benched in his career

Expert17:


Its yeye question,....because i can mention 7+ club legends he displaced both @ club and country level....

Expert17:
Someone played in EPL from 1996 - 2015.................you are using 2003-2006 to judge him

Even Maldini/Cannaravo/ Nesta will suffer with the defenders and goalkeepers in Man Utd during 2003-2006.

Ibeme:


I have no problem with both styles of defending TBH. I don't have to see aggressive defending nor do I have to see clean defending to rate you. Whichever one you are doing, just do it well.

Just like you have Roy Keane, Edgar Davids and Diego Someone that can kill you with tackles, or you have Makelele who hardly tackles but specializes in guiding you into traffic. Both are still great DMs.

VVD style of defending is very effective for me, same as Vidic that will engage you.

Expert17:
Its yeye question,....because i can mention 7+ club legends he displaced both @ club and country level...

Vidic just met better platform to express himself.

larride:


From 06/07 - 13/14 that they both play together in the EPL, check this out:

Vidic had:
More interceptions
More blocks
More tackles
More tackles won
More clearances
More aerial duel wons
More last man tackles
More headed clearances
More goals
More assists
More yellow cards
More red cards

Pray tell Expert, who was organizing who?

Expert17:


Larride,

We are comparing 2 players....their career.

You are bringing part of it.

Agenda must agend

izzou:


Nope

raumdeuter:


We are comparing when both played under similar circumstance same club same country same city not when one was in Serbia and one in England

Expert17:


Larride,

We are comparing 2 players....their career.

You are bringing part of it.

Agenda must agend